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i only play factorio with my new pc. i could probably play that game on my old thinkpad.
zen 6 waiting room.>>109514287>factorioI wonder if I have a copy...ever play the square thing, that's crazy fun lmao
>>109514287>playing video games
>>109514385>>playing video gamesFactorio isn't a videogame, it's a brain trainer.What we do is, we carefully hide brain augmentation technology, so the men in black don't show up and demand our loosh.
>>109514287yeah but are you using framegen to run at 120fps
>>109514446i run the game at 60fps without mods
>>109514346what will you be getting?i'll get a 10800x3d (or 10950x3d2 if available day1) to replace my 9800x3d
>>109514451Why not 120?
>>109514515game only runs at 60fps
>>109514522thats why you use framegen
>>109514501Not sure. I know I gotta bite the bullet and get into ddr5. Hoping 256gb is down at least some.
>>109514530it doesn't support frame gen tho
>>109514533thats why force smooth motion in the profile
>>109514531Those fancy 2x64gb hynix kits are showing as $3450 for me and ram prices seem to be getting worse over the next 6-12 monthsIt's actually over
>>109514576>it's overoh, you can't become a drug dealer?
Does it make sense to upgrade from a 5800x to a 9850x3d now? I am currently running it with a 6950xt and things are running okay for me now, just that in some games in some situations I am limited by the CPU. But there is certainly no strong necessity, it would mostly be a future proofing upgrade, and I would then upgrade my GPU when the next gen comes out. I think the current prices for the mobo, cpu and ram are still doable, and I am afraid it will get worse. Wait or not?
>>109514580being in possession of drugs carries a death penalty in my country :(
I bet you're wasting money. You heat tuna cans by just leaving them in the sun.
>>109514544what profile?
>>109514583>Next gen gpuThere will be no more gpus.All prices are going to get worse. Buy now or regret letter.
>>109514583it's a huge upgrade for you but ryzen 9000 as a whole will age like milk because ryzen 10000 will be too damn good
>>109514594I'm waiting(tm) for the 192-bit 270mm2 rtx6080 with 24gb vram for $2000 myself
>>109514596>>ryzen 9000 as a whole will age like milk because ryzen 10000 will be too damn goodAny reason for that?
>>1095146156.5ghz+ clocks, 10-15% higher ipc, 50% larger CCX (1.5x cores & L3 size), new io die with lower latency
>>109514592if you're using an nvidia 40 or 50 series cardamd has their own version
>>109514621intel is over. how will they ever recover?
>>109514624novalake will have the same 144MB L3 cache size from bLLC and they are rumored to have higher IPC but lower clocks than zen6 so its final performance would be within striking distance of zen6
>>109514586how romantic
>>109514601do you know how much current 5090 prices are?
>>1095146895090s are 762mm2 and contains 16 vram chips anon
>>109514718ok yes, but do you know how much the current 5090s cost, right now, as of this point in time?
>>109514796do you know how much a 378mm2 5070ti costs at this point in time?
the gig is up, we won't have to wait on amd, nvidia, intel, to have good inference.There are thousands of companies making the hardware we need, who will be releasing even before the end of the year.
my pc is acting up and the power supply cable doesnt seem to be connecting half the time when I try to turn it on, but when it's on it stays onwhat's going on
>>109514824What does that even mean? If it doesn't shut off when you wiggle the cable the connection is fine
>>109514824anon have you gotten checked for schizophrenia
>>109514859it doesnt shut off when I wiggle the game, why won't it connect half the time then? that's what I don't understand
>>109514824very likely not the cable but the plug contacts on the PSU itself. happens a lot with monitors when people move the cable around too much.
Man I really ought to repaste my 4090 FE, temps are looking pretty highNot looking forward to that
>>109514816Hate to break it to you, but Nvidia and AMD don't make hardware, and Intel controls its own foundries
>>109514878repaste it with ptm7950 and you'll never have to repaste it ever again
>>109514901The FE has PTM from the factory, but that is probably true because of how old it will be before it becomes an issue again.
ddr5 is a scam
>>109514923yeah it seems to use a type of PCM but not ptm7950 specifically
>>109514631
>>109514956even better, it gets avx10
>>10951496810 < 512also bro needs a bigger gpu. that cat is going to freeze.
>>109514968>Avx>Avx2>Avx512(??)>Avx10 (10 binary = 3)Make it make sense
>>109514942The nvidia thermal engineer does mention PTM7900 by name in the gamers nexus teardown but doesn't explicitly say that is what they usedSo its likely that they used the cheaper PTM7900
>>109514631>and they are rumored to have higher IPC but lower clocks than zen6Wasn't that back when they were using tsmc for production, I wonder if it still holds true now that it's being made on Intel 14a.
>>109514984>Make it make senseIntel couldn't get avx512 on their cuck cores in time so they invented a new avx called avx 10 which is just a new version of avx512 thow way they can claim they support "new feature" before AMD.
>>109515023>we cope cores>we also have cope cpu extensionsintel bros....
>>109515023zen5 just only caught up to alderlake's level of avx512 support and they'll be further behind novalake with zen6amd will always be behind the original makers of avx512, intel
>>109515047>zen5 just only caught up to alderlake's level of avx512 supportwhich one? before they dropped it or after they dropped it?
>>109515047are we talking about the same alder lake that had avx512 completely disabled or a different alder lake
>>109515073the one where a bios update disables avx512 support
>>109515078More than that, they started physically disabling it on the silicon
>>109515092yeah that was mid life cycle of the cpus. some people got cpus with it still on and others didn't. such great avx512 support.
>>109515066>>109515073the one that supports it has the same feature level as zen5
grok, does no avx-512 on the cpu feel better or worse?
>>109515113>using ai to do the thinking for youjejenjoy your dormant neurons and impaired thinking
>>109515123you don't understand bro. intel just feels better. no avx 512 on alder lake cpus just feels better. you wouldn't get it. i just vibe with the ai.
>>109515133it only took amd 3 years to catch up to the 12900k
it's over amd bros. intels cpus are just better without avx-512 support...
>>109515157>>109515123
>>109515157amd could never...
>>109515176intel has saved gaming once again
>>109514968avx10 is literally a subset of avx512, nigga
>avx10>not even onceshit is the devil and is going to destroy gaming as a whole
DO NOT USE AVX10. INTEL SHOULD ALLOW TO DISABLE THIS USELESS FEATURE FROM THEIR CPUS IN THE BIOS. IT IS GOING TO MAKE ALL YOUR GAMES FEEL LIKE THEY ARE RUNNING AT 30FPS AND FOR WHAT? JUST SO YOU CAN SAY THAT YOUR CPU HAS AVX10 INSTEAD OF 2?
Why are amd bros so afraid of avx10.2/novalake? Is Intel really so fearsome?
meanwhile amd spend billions developing useless avx-512 into something that it was never designed to bethey managed to make it useless and didn't drop support but now with avx-10 it's all over for themthey bet on the wrong horsehow will we ever recover after a setback like that amd bros? it's so over amd bros....
>>109515260avx10.2 is literally a subset of avx512, nigga
Are you guys rich? I have a decent job and can't afford to build a new rig.
>>109515293dump your gf (male)
we should have just dropped avx-512 like intel did....
>>109515293I make minimum wage but don't have any expenses because I still live with my parents
>>109515201>>109515285avx512 is a subset of avx10.2 is a subset of amx, nigga
>>109515357you are a subset of your dads nut
OUR HYROBUS DOOMED US ALL BROS. IT RELEGATED US TO THE DEPTHS OF OBSOLESNE IN THE FACE OF INOVATION. WE ARE OVER. WE FELL WITH AVX-512 SUPPORT WHILE WE COULD BE FLYING WITH AVX-11. OUR DREAM OF WORLD DOMINATION IS FULLY AND COMPLETELY OVER. AI HAS PREDICTED THIS HAPPENING BUT BROS IN THE THREAD ASSURED US THAT NOTHING EVER HAPPENS. WE DIDN'T LIST. IT WAS OUR BIGGEST MISTAKE AND IT COST US EVERYTHING.I ALREADY SOLD MY ENTIRE RIG FOR SCRAP METAL VALUE. I TOOK A SLEDGEHAMMER TO MY 7800X3D THE SECOND THE MANIFESTO FOR AVX-11 DROPPED INTO THE ETHER. EVERY TIME I OPEN TASK MANAGER NOW, I CAN HEAR THE GHOSTS OF EFFICIENCY CORES MOCKING MY LACK OF FORWARD-THINKING ARCHITECTURAL VISION. WE COULD HAVE BEEN SOARING ON CLOUDS OF PURE, UNADULTERATED HYPOTHETICAL FLUIDITY, BUT INSTEAD WE CHOSE TO ANCHOR OURSELVES TO THE TITANIC OF LEGACY VECTOR INSTRUCTIONS.THE CHARTS DON'T LIE. THE SILICON DOOM IS REAL. LISA, WE TRUSTED YOU, BUT YOU FAILED TO INVENT A TIME-WARPING FICTIONAL INSTRUCTION SET BEFORE THE TIMELINE COLLAPSED ON US. IT'S OVER. TEAM RED IS TRULY, IRREVERSIBLY, CATASTROPHICALLY FINISHED. PACK UP THE KEYBOARDS. GO OUTSIDE. THERE IS NOTHING LEFT FOR US HERE BROS.
>say (factual) good thing about intel>amdbro freaks out and shits up the thread with spamsome things never change I see
>>109515403should have just used avx-10 from the get go if it was so good. intel wouldn't have needed to disable it on more than half of their cpus after the fact kek. even intel agrees that avx-512 was a mistake on their platform lmao.
>>109515146damn, at what point do you just buy a used ps3
>>109515422you can run most games at 60fps and at 4k now
>>109515422I have one stored away in a box below my desk but I'd rather just take the perf hit and emulate a ps3 instead since connecting all the necessary cables is a chore
>>109515293If you have a decent job, you can set $200/mo aside for whim expenses, it adds up over time.t. got a jar with $11500 for whim expenses, thinking about a motorcycle this time around, tho
>>109515563You store money in a jar? 11k in a jar?
>>109514622Does this work on genshin?
they're not allowed to make well optimized games anymore because it would hurt nvidias sales
>tfw RAM prices>tfw HDD pricesman it feels good to have built in 2024
>>109515830gonna feel even better as game devs build for today's requirements for a few more years.
>have old computer that I built in 2013>never upgraded it because it was good enough>finally decide to upgrade now>can't wait a few more years because my computer is too old now so I'm forced to pay these abusive prices
>>109515891>is too oldjust play deus ex (2000) forever. let me guess, you need more.
>>109515891>have old computer that I built in 2015>never upgraded it because it was good enough>can't upgrade because of bitcoin craze>buy 3 Nvidia shares for the lols instead>Shares are now worth 2x 5090s
>>109515964is life worth living only playing old games?
>>10951598690% of all games were made before 2012 so yeah(not including indie slop)
>>109515891Sandy/Ivy bridge cpu's from that era are still somewhat passable. As long as you have 16GBs of ram, an SSD to boot from and someting along the lines of a gtx1060/rx580 for a gpu.
>>109514275340 on ram 32gb 230 on jade fractal terra (slightly faster delivery...)280 on 3070 (wish i just paid mpre for a 3080ti or smth that doesnt have shitton of vram. Wanna do local mpdels but if i did id go all the way, but too expensive...)Like 200 on 9700x200 on sfx psu n cooling mod for 140mm cpu fan170 on mitx mobo with wifi 7 :( i did my best to get good value relatively wuickly on ebay. Cpu is new gpu used, but descriptiob made it seem like a game playrr upgrsding. Hopegully ok?I feel broke and sad and thst my pc will lpok cool but suckI already own an old 1tb ssd, gave away 16gb ddr5 and m.2 ssd cayse i didny fucking know in 4 yesrs id never be allpwed to afford a personal computer again
I've been putting off my small LLM rig with a used 3090 and 64GB RAM and every month it just gets more expensiveI should really pull the trigger but something inside doesnt allow me to
Day 14 of no 5090 + 77" oled
>>109516090if every buck matters, I'd say save $50 by getting a 7600
The more you buy, the more you save.
>>109516090Sell 16GBs of Ram and your 3070 and buy something like a 5060ti 16gb, 4070 or 3080 and you can run LLMs.
>Intel has launched its new Gamer Days Bundle promotion, offering two games with qualifying Intel processors, graphics products and systems. The promotion starts August 10 and may run through September 13, depending on the participating retailer. >The bundle includes STAR WARS: Galactic Racer and Tomb Raider: Legacy of Atlantis.List of the qualifying processor families: Intel Arc G3: Arc G3, Arc G3 EXTREME Intel Core 200H: Core 5 210H/220H, Core 7 230H/240H/250H, Core 9 270H Intel Core 13th/14th Gen: selected Core i5-14400 through i9-14900 desktop and HX models, plus Core i9-13900KF Intel Core Ultra 100: Core Ultra 9 185H Intel Core Ultra 200: Core Ultra 5 225/235/245 series, Core Ultra 7 251HX/255H/255HX/258V/265 series, Core Ultra 9 275HX/285 series Intel Core Ultra Plus: Core Ultra 5 250K Plus/250KF Plus, Core Ultra 7 270K Plus/270HX Plus, Core Ultra 9 290HX Plus Intel Core Ultra 300 H: Core Ultra 5 336H/338H, Core Ultra 7 356H/366H, Core Ultra 9 386H
>>109516464>it's garbagethey tried?
>be intel>skip a whole release>Iwhy would you skip a whole release? did it fail sampling?
>>109516498working on new data center tech, please understandu
Why do whole fucking 9800x3d prebuilts cost almost as much as 5080 standalone
>>109516582because people buy it, all it takes is 1 in 1000 people to buy an overpriced prebuilt for them to keep the prices high.
>>109515724It should work on most things, its not the same quality as properly implemented framegen though
>>109516582For the same reason some dude gave me a €2000 budget to clean and waterproof my terrace when a high pressure water sprayer is €200 and the rubber compound is another €200.
>>109516582what 9800x3d prebuilt? ones with an rtx5060?
>>109516582prebuilts were built before the price hike for cheapersame reason a 9800x3d 5090 prebuilt cost as much as a 5090
>>109516632>120fps nowneat
any good resources on projectors for gayming? like tier-lists or anything similar?
>>109516582There's no other company that makes a consumer grade gpu as powerful as the 5080, so nvidia can ask whatever they want for it.
>>109516464>290HX plushuh?
>>109514583>Does it make sense to upgrade from a 5800x to a 9850x3d now?I changed 5800x to 9800x3d and was satisfied, this thing almost doubled my fps in helldivers 2.
>>109514583you need a blackwell 6000 and a 9950x3d2.
>>109514583There's definitely merit to waiting until zen6/nova lake releases, if only because they'll make 5800x3ds cheaper.
>>1095171925800x3ds are priced high because they're best in socket CPUs that don't require ddr57800x3ds are typically cheaper than 5800x3ds already despite being 15-30% faster
y’all know any nice cases with bottom fan support. can’t slot in my 2nd nvme with it cooking from the heat off the gpu
>>109517226Lian li lancool 207 is nice since it keeps the midtower layout but it restricts psu length
>>109517060https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/undervolted-rx-9070-xt-beats-rtx-5080-rx-9070-and-9070-xt-models-with-heavy-coolers-have-massive-oc-headroom
>>109514385Yeah, fuck having hobbies and interests. Computers are for shitposting on /g/ and occasionally ricing so you can post a screenshot of your terminal.
>>109517226Havn HS420, Phanteks nv7 or 9 if you don't mind fishtanks with vertical mounting possibilities
>Hyperscalers commit nearly $2 trillion to secure AI hardware and memory — Google leads $811 billion spending surge while Apple trails at $57 billionYeah, cool.
>>109517401are you ready to be questioned because you were flagged for riskful behaviour ala minority report?!
are chairs tech? where do you rest your arse when using a computer?
>>109517546Cheap gamer chair on a foam cushion. Still got mine from the dxracer days.
>>109517546a chinese ergonomic chair from amazon obviously
Chinese chairs are time bombs literally
>>109514275thinking about getting this, I already have 16gb of ram laying around.
>>109517741surely you can get a gold certified psu in that prince range
anime girl on GPU = insta win, no contender
>>109517816
>>109517876Where's the Misato Arc B580?
>>109517837>not friendlyaaaaand trashed.
>>109517886Nobody needs that hag
>>109517895Reva is not noob friendly. She has a learning curve.
>>109517932and anyway she looks Korean, that's not anime.
>>109517955Nikke & Blue Archive are Korean and its more popular than their anime over there.
>>109517741talked about this earlier in the thread but what are you going to use the cpu/gpu combo for? i'd go for 5600 minimum since the L3 cache on the 5500 is cut down by HALF. i plopped a 5500 in my dad's machine paired with an rx 570 which is an ok since he doesn't play games, but for you there are major bottleneck issues for games and productivity
>>109517741Get a better motherboard and a tower cooler.
>>109518043gaming and shitpostin
>>109518149high framerate competitive on 1080p will suffer unless you're capping fps at 60 like the other guy, in which case this will be *okay*. playing on 1440p alleviates the bottleneck on the cpu. heavy games like battlefield is out of the question. won't be able to max out on the cool stuff in cyberpunk. i'm just finding the combo a bit wonky. gpu will be majorly underutilized because the cpu can't keep up. a 5600/5500x3d would fit better but of course will cost a bit more
>>109517998but that's anime style, Reva is more like a western-anime wannabe garbage, like League of Legends
>>1095183115500x3ds are unobtainium nowadays
>>109517816Need console-tans for GPUs.
>>109518420>no big booba xp-tanSAD!
>>109518417got my 5500+5600 from china if you want to roll the dice, otherwise yes AI has fucked us all snapping up even the CPUs now
>>1095184175500X3D is $205 on newegg rn
>>109518496around the same price on ali so it's going to be dropshipped from the same source
>>109518465I got a 5600x from china for under $140 btw they will last, I had a 3500x I got off there a few years back that never had problems.
>>109518524ok so how is that "unobtainium"? is having to pay any amount of money some sort of barrier of entry. I think the 5800x3d relaunch dropped it from the 250+ it used to hover around
>>109518527yeah. got a bit nervous because i know how rough they handle packages in their sorting centers but it came in perfect condition. slapped a thermalright assassin x on top and now my brother's secured for the next 5-10ish years i'd say
>>109518560so i'm not the guy who said it but i assume if people only buy local they get priced out if they have a hard limit
Fuck it Im pulling trigger on new AM5 build gonna go with 9600X 16gb of ram and used 3070ti. Will reuse storage from old rig. For 1050 euros this aint bad compared to steam machine
>>109518311ill swap out the 5500 for a 5600x
>>109518587Good price regardless of coupon too
>>109518692cheers. got urged on by the talk of the new data centers and them buying up all the parts so i pulled the trigger on the upgrade before it got worse. bro's machine is running on sodimm ram in adapters but he'll never know since he doesn't know any of this shit lols
Can I even build a decent gaming rig for 1k5 euros or am I asking for the moon?
>>1095188849060 xt system
>>109518675
>>1095188845070 600€7800x3d 300€ am5 mobo 150€cpu cooler 50€meshify 3 case 150€ 1tb nvme 130€32gb ddr5 400€
My brother wants to buy a 9800X3D / 9070 XT, I told him to buy a 7500X3D instead, he just plays games anyway, not editing and such. How do I convince him?
>>109518959Rape him
>>109518781If it works, it works
>>109518959Always buy the best cpu you can affordfuture games try to use more coreseven if you make a gaming pc they can be inspired to use productivity apps later where more cores help immensely, its a chicken and egg problem
>>109518959Why would you put yourself in a position where you would be blamed for anything while having nothing to gain? It's a lose-lose.
>>109518975He could afford the 9800X3D, but it's just so pointless for his use case.>>109519178Yeah, he's not so tech expert, so he just wants the best and doesn't want compromises i guess.
>>109518959>he just plays games anywaylet him get the 9800x3d then
>>109519274Yes, anon.
Is it worth selling all my parts and trying to upgrade, or just keep what I have and try to find a 6700 xt?>5700G processor>4400MHz 32GB Ripjaws (I should have got the 3200MHz instead)>990 Pro 2TB SSD>MSI Pro B550M-VC WIFI mofherboard
>>109519614Your cheapest upgrade option is 5800x3d and a 5070
>>109519622I was thinking a 5600x and a 7700 xt
>>109519676non-x3d amd cpus are pretty bad for gaming perf, they also suffer more from weaker ram5070 is best value gpu rn, buy it before the prices go up
>>109519693I don't wanna use nvidia; I mostly just play MCC on steam (Using Fedora 44 Workstation edition)
>>109519720 9070 xt then
>>109519676The 5600x isn't that big of an upgrade and you're losing 2 cores. I'd just wait for a reasonably priced 5700x3d refresh or make the jump to AM5.
This is my pc. I built it in 2020 for 960€. I use a 1440p monitor.
>>109514583You can't just upgrade from a 5800X to a 9850X3D.You would need to upgrade you motherboard to AM5 and your RAM to DDR5 as well.And for little more than the 9850X3D you get a 9950X3D that has double as many cores.I would always take more cores again because they speed up boring tasks.
>>109519795for 180euroshekels you could've gotten a 1080ti
>>109519750Yeah, but I gain double the L3 cache and AI has been pitching to me about my onboard graphics causing bottlenecks with GPUs; Although it could be full of shit.>>109519732You don't think that's overkill for my system?
>>109519822if you pair an x3d cpu with 9070 xt its gonna be mostly fineam5 system would be better but its unreasonable to buy these days
>>109515293> Are you guys rich?You don't need to be rich, just well off.If you have a decent job you should have at least $500 slush money per month and be able to save up for a middle class gaming PC in half a year.
>>109517290Do some protein folding simulationsLigand binding interactionsEtc
>>109518675> compared to steam machine
>>109518919That's 1780 € already.And no PSU yet.
>>109519842That's fair enough; I'm unemployed though, so every penny counts for me.
>>109518959Do you happen to hate your brother?You should have told him that 9070XT can't into PT and recommended him a 5070Ti.
is the 9070XT worth the +100€ over the 9070 ?
>>109519976If you're playing at higher resolutions
>>1095199769070 has extremely tiny marketshare due to bad value compared to XT
funy
>>109517546I just picked one up a high-end one from my previous employer's office in 2020.
>>109517876and this is why women are posers and should drop dead
>>109520302>anime girl pfp>Maririn as a nameI can guarantee you that account belongs to a man.
>Intel to sell extra $15 billion in stock to raise funding Guess they're finally gonna finish the Ohio fab, might be ready for 14A but it would be a tight schedule and knowing construction work it will definitely get delayed.
>>109518675Just how sheite an experience is it mixing two RAM sticks of different makes? Will one be able to at least enjoy the speed and timings of the slower stick or is it more complicated than that?
>>109519943drop to a ryzen 9600, that's -200€ (just use the stock cooler) and then you're just 100€ over the budget with a PSU, could be worse
>>109518975not necessarily the greatest advice on AM5, it's going to get MOAR COARS and moar L3 cache in a not so distant future
>>109520518But what if there is a cpu shortage next?
>>109520531No one would notice it.
>>109519795you will get a 50% fps gain with a used 1660 super / TI for $100.but obviously, spend 3x more and you will get 2x more fps than a used 1660 super/ti (but we are talking about a $300 8gb card)>>109518675Assuming that you found a used 3070 TI for $200, I would rather just get a 5060/9060.Not because it's better value, but generally speaking, unlike the 1660 s/TI (which I mention for the other anon), the 3070 TI is competing in the price range of the 5060/9060. AKA no GPU's compete with a $100 price range.If you want to save money, instead of skimping on the GPU, you could skimp on the DDR5, and go with intel/am4 ddr4 system. Yes it's not as fast as a 9600x, but you aren't going to be CPU capped on a 3070 TI with a 1440p monitor.
>>109520518then we pay the goy tax and then make up some form of cope that it was worth it
>>109520561meant for >>109520531
>>109520531Won't happen since zen6 will no longer share CCDs with Epyc
>>109514275>old PSU starting to shit the bed>lost the original receipt and don't have a backup >check the Corsair RM1000x shift>same model has two different SKUs>one is significantly cheaper I won't need more than two pcie 6 pins for my GPU, but I'm worried other parts besides the I/O were changed, anymore has experience with this model?
>>109512168>27"
>>109520723on today's episode of the tv pillthe tv pill shilling continues until morale improves
>>109520723>here's why: you're a 40yo boomer, your eyesight sucks, you cannot tell between a FHD and a UHD feed on your 75" TV
>>109520723small monitors are for poors and autistic retards who are afraid of change, or admitting they were wrong.The moment my eyes gazed upon an active and working ultrawide, and my eyes were open, platos cave was exposed.
>>109519822>AI has been pitching to me about my onboard graphics causing bottlenecks with GPUsA better way to think of it is that the 5700g only has 16 pcie lanes, which is a lot of you're not using a dgpu, but not very many if you are.>>109520554>AKA no GPU's compete with a $100 price range.At $200 the 3070ti is competing with the 3050 and the b570, the 5060 is a $300 gpu.
>>109520852come back when you have something with at least 200ppi, poorfag
>>109520115Now compare Path Tracing.
Is there anything wrong with the PNY OC GeForce RTX 5080 16 GB GPU? Its the cheapest one there is on PC Part Picker and I wonder why.
>>109520921Get a 5070Ti
hello, I have a budget around 700 eur more or less and I'm from serbia. I'd like to ask for help regarding pc building, so far my pc is a shitty i5-3350p and amd radeon 5450 which barely runs half life 2 on low settings, I'm not looking to make the newest giga max pc that'll run gta VI on high settings, I just want one that can, at the very least, run games like fallout: new vegas, project zomboid, maybe gta V comfortably. I'd be more than happy. I don't wanna play the newest AAA titles. I'd buy a prebuilt, one offered a PC with geforce rtx 3050 which looked awesome to me, but I see they usually save on stuff like coolers and PSU which others say really shorten the PC's lifespan (this store in particular used an F tier rated PSU...), and according to the store's policy I wanted to buy a prebuilt one from, if you open the PC tower or change anything you lose warranty. I dont know jack shit about PC building but I think I could get someone to do it for me, the only problem is I dont know what to look for exactly. anything will be a upgrade compared to the PC I have now. thanks in advance.
I have a GeForce RTX 5070 Ti with an AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 4.7 GHz 6-Core Processor and a QD OLED 3440x1440 monitor.Do you mog me or do I mog you? Be honest...
can someone help me pick parts for a living room mATX build to replace my steam deck?
Anons. Be honest with me.I'm considering getting a build with these configs:>Ryzen 5 7600x>32gb ddr5 6000mhz (dual-channel)>RTX 3060 12GB>512gb m.2>BIOSTAR A620MP-E PRO Ver. 6.0>650W PSU...all for 550 Euros.For context; I live in Balkans and traditionally, tech was always absurdly overpriced compared to the west, until the recent A.I. fiasco (though we are slowly quickly catching up to you in that compartment)Do I have it good?
>>109521011I believe in you anon (I don't)
>>109520969I don't know how prices in Serbia are, but this should play everything at 1440p60 lol
>>109521026That DDR5 alone is about $400+ here in the US all day every day. If that PC works, buy it and don't look back.
>>109520777>zoomers don't know bout PPD>>109520852I cannot condone any VA ultrawideshilling>>109520885ppi....very cool. Now let's see brightness, color volume and contrast
>>109520969The thing is they don't really make new parts that are just good enough for what you want. your best bet is to pick up someone's old rig who's upgrading. you should be able to do that for 700 eur no problem. Make sure you test it first. >>109521026same advice for this anon the 3060 a shit you'd be better off with someone's old 1080ti/i7-10k system
>>109521076fucking moron
>>109521076retard
>>109521026That's a good deal just for the RAM alone, you can always upgrade the CPU/GPU/SSD later to something better but a 3060 is good for 1080p and 1440p with dlss.
>>109521029thanks for the advice on pc parts! admittedly the only thing im not sure of is the brand, but then again im a dumbass who only knows about amd and intel. its probably good and I'll definitely look into this, I'm just curious if it has any known compatibility issues with games.
>>109521060ppi: everything looks sharper, love it! brightness: why do you want to kill the contrast you like so much with bright highlights?color volume: people don't stop loving cinema screens because of IPS-tier color volumecontrast: *turns the lights on*
I spent $480 on sub-par RAM and I feel like a complete degenerate and I fucking hate Sam Altman and FUCKING KIKES.
>>109521087>>109521098for new vegas and GTA V? The GTX 1080 TI will slay those games for cheaper than any new card on the market
>>109521154>ppi: everything looks sharper, love it!depends on your distance if you can see the detail>brightness: why do you want to kill the contrast you like so much with bright highlights?infinite contrast sir does not kill highlights>color volume: people don't stop loving cinema screens because of IPS-tier color volumecinema = largelarge = goodactually cinema is worse than oleds though>contrast: *turns the lights on*not ideal viewing conditions
>>109521239>infinite contrast sir does not kill highlightsyou don't know how pupils work sir, you have no business telling us anything about monitors
4K VA Mini-LED with high brightness and HDR is the way to go. Save everyone from needing to talk more about monitors.
>>109521256Or buy oled, get best quality. Replace it with a cheaper oled after like 4-5 years
>>109520878>At $200 the 3070ti is competing with the 3050 and the b570, the 5060 is a $300 gpu.The 3070 TI is not new, it's a used GPU.A 5060/9060 is $300 and it's new, and it's pretty much the same performance.Also I can't find 3070ti's for $200 on ebay, it's more like $250 + tax. But for $200 on ebay, it's a decent deal, but I am assuming that anon is buying the gpu on facebook marketplace which means no refunds.The 1660 s/ti is a good used GPU to buy, because it has the same performance as the 3050, AND it's a GPU that nobody wants since it's half the strength of a 5060/9060.Basically, the used market sucks because of supply and demand. There are many things you can buy from facebook marketplace where stuff is 1/4th the price of new (mainly due to shipping prices). GPU's and PC components just have fucked pricing (because people regularly buy cheap parts to resell on ebay at the real market price).
monitor should be 60cm from my headshould have either over 210ppi or under 130ppi so i can run it at either 100% scaling or 200% scalinganything between those ppis is e wasteideal size is between 27 inch and 38 inch
>>109521291where do the scaling schizos come from anywayWhat led them to obsess over windows scaling. Is it just a massive psyop via LLM bots
>>109521316fractional scaling is for goym
>>109521332well when you put it that way how can you argue(you can't argue with schizos)
Pricing out the parts and building is a few hundred shekels more expensive than if I just bought an Andromeda PC. 2399 to buy this on newegg vs 2600 when built on part picker.Even selecting cheaper components if I lose the prebuilt lottery, is more expensive. Besides, how enjoyable PC building was for me in the 4 new builds I've done over 20 years why wouldn't I go with the cheaper option? I guess maybe the satisfaction of doing it myself, but I don't think 200 - 300 dollars more?
>>109521437scaling for applications really just works best at 100% and 200% same reason why 1080p up scales better to 4k and 4k downscales to 1080pkeep coping. integer scaling has won.
>>109521457The world needs more dual mode 5k/1440p monitors but these pissants who buy large 4k TVs to watch their low bitrate stream sloppa fuck everything up for people with good eyesight.
>2007+>Buying AYYYY TEEE EIIIYYYY
>>109521469>4k TVsthey don't make any sense at all. you can't see the difference between 4k or 1080p from 2m away on a 55 inch screen and the bigger the tv becomes the further you sit away from it usually.resolutions and monitor sizes and ppi should be viewed in combination with viewing distance but big number go up.
whats wrong with this antiredniggerliterally all day every thread doign this shit, now with help of jew ai even
>>109521469>>109521528same for monitors. they should be viewed in comparison to the scaling you are going to have to use and how far you are going to sit from it since a lot of applications don't scale well with fractional scaling. current monitor and tv tech is completely removed for reality.
>>109521540i am right and you are wrong. when you have to get close to the tv to see the difference and to "appreciate" 4k you have completely missed the point of a tv.
i need more vram so i can coom more optimally to local llm slop. is there any server hardware like the p40’s on ebay worth getting?
>>109521254yes saar dim screen are best, better contrast
>>109521256>slow pixels>slow hz>bloom>dimming lagyep, it's overfirst rule of oled club, don't buy miniled
>>10952129160ppd is all you needa 55" qdoled is all you also needsimple asno more, no less
AMD X3D CPU + AMD X3D GPU is the only way you're gonna get real time graphics. As in the colors are real, the framerate is real, just using the PC feels real. Intel + Nvidia is like using a streaming PC the input lag is through the roof, the colors look off, everything just feels like watching a youtube cinematic not real time.
>>109521620yeah nah. i like my fonts to render properly. i'm not a normalfag that can't tell the difference between a monitor and a tv after all.
>>109521469>but these pissants who buy large 4k TVs to watch their low bitrate stream sloppa fuck everything up for people with good eyesight.if anything you need higher quality content because a larger screen will highlight bad content way more, it's the direct oppositeTV chads have good eyesight and more content awaretiny slop monitor Betas can run low quality content and get away with it more because they can't even see all the detail>>109521630at a good distance everything render properly
>>109521637still not going to use a tv as a monitor
we know that the RDNA5 flagship will have 12 memory chips, assuming it's 3GB per chip capacity, it'll only have 36GB of ram? that's so poor, this can't be right
>>109520852the sleeper truth nuke in resolution is that the difference going to 1440p from 1080p is so meaningless you barely notice it, if they were to sell 2560x1080 monitors instead of 3440x1440 I'd chose them in a blink of an eye because it's far less pixels, much easier to drive, you could run stuff at 300+ fps and get the ultrawide bonus easily
>>109521671AMD is known for being very generous with the amount of vram in their cards.
3440x1440 at 34" is simply too small to notice, at that resolution the monitors should've been 39"2560x1080 should be the 34" option, at 3440x1440 at that size is just too cramped.and the lower resolution of those two has almost half of the pixels, I'd totally change this 3440x1440 34" 180hz monitor I have for a 2560x1080 34" 300+ or 480hz and run the same competitive games at much higher rates and I just know it would be a better experience.
>>109521671Far more than enough for a gaming GPU.
>>109521724I wanted to also run llms.
>>1095216711GB chips for RDNA5 flagship.2GB for AI workbench3GB for "Pro" AI model.
>>109521648you're not avantgarde enough to tvmaxx, it's for the chosen fewthe tv pill is rising>>109521686higher res monitors can render lower resolutions
Lord Gaben taking the tv pill (colorized)
>>109521916>higher res monitors can render lower resolutionsbut it's not going to raise the refresh rate
>>109521916>no part is truly center so you are fucking up your neck either way
>>109521916looks like he would sit about 60cm from that tv. that can't be a good experience.
UWU
>>109521939The fat man has maybe 20 good years left in him, let the fat man have his fun.
>>109522016I think I have the same monitor
>>109522073do you mean the left or right one?
>>109522085the ultrawide one
>>109522089my condolence
>Using a Montech Century II 1050W PSU>Never took into consideration the power draw on the UPS the PC would be connected to, so now it beeps if I'm drawing too much power. Anyone have any recommendations for UPS that can handle the PSU at a higher, but not the max wattage? I don't plan on pushing it to pull 1050, but my current one seems to max out at 420W.
Should I buy parts now or is there a sale upcoming?
>>109522311I am hearing from my sources 99% off rtx 5090 on August 11th.
>>109521671I thought AMD was using lpddr6 for rdna5
>>109522417This is the first time AMD is using GDDR7
>>109522311Worst time to buy parts is right now.Next worst time is tomorrow.
>>109522311Prices will suck for another year or more.Only potential price drops in the coming months are maybe, MAYBE DDR4 RAM and 5800x3d.
>>109522417They are
>>109521671If they would unify memory and put in 256gb it could matter. they won't, everything will continue to suck.
>>109522495yeah but what about that rumored sale tomorrow?
>>109514932is there 32-bit cyberpunk 2077
>>109514901Yeah but I don’t want to pay Linus and all the eBay sellers are scammers.
I need my pc hardware examined to find out what’s going wrong because I think my issue of crashes might be hardware related and Linux is less related.How does one vet whether a local pc repair service is good or not?What are the red flags?I imagine all will be windows focused because of windows popularity too.
>>109522769Computers are extremely complicated and the labour and expertise that would be needed to fix any hardware issue would far exceed any replacement of an individual part.Your issue is diagnosing what the part is and then replacing it.
>>109522769You could, also, perhaps, maybe just post what the symptoms are right here in PCBG and maybe one of the anons will stop fapping long enough to give you (shitty) advice.Not that this would help you.
>>109522826>>109522861Basically I was having a lot of crashes on Linux then my monitor died so I asked a guy and he said my gpu is fried so I wanted a 2nd opinion and asked another and he said the gpus are fine and the psu might be busted causing the crashes and the monitor is dead by coincidence as it is over ten years old.So I am just confused. Just gonna bring my whole pc to one guy and hope he finds out what the problem is and then tells me what parts are broken so I can hopefully get replacements and refunds on warranty.And new arctic fans to keep pc cool.
>>109514287Factorio really benefits from X3D dough.
>>109522931You can, you know, test those theories out by swapping each one of those parts. If you're paying for someone to "examine" those things as-is then you're being fleeced. You clearly need to be told something as simple as this.
>>109522970only in benchmarks
>>109522493You joke but I bought a [spoiler]prebuilt[/spoiler] from Newegg yesterday, and it must've been one of the last ones. Went to check on my order, saw the one I ordered at 2399 but sold out. Today the same specced ones went up a few hundred
>>109522984I don’t have parts to swap to test. That’s the problem.One of the repair lads is fleecing me and it hurts quite a bit.I need to remember to never mock anybody for being tech illiterate.
>>109523019There was a great deal on a 1000w platinum PSU for $90 last week and the day I went to buy it, the price jumped over 20%.
>>109522984>just have an entire spare PC bro
>>109523040>>109523051If you don't have any spare parts, the implication is also that if whoever you visit to help with the problem isn't immediately doing exactly that; using a replacement PSU, hooking it up to any other monitor, and using a different GPU OR removing it entirely and test using the iGPU (assuming your CPU has one), then they are not being honest.
>>109523051You know what they say, if you can't afford 3 PCs you can't afford a PC
>>109523040Yep it's challenging to troubleshoot a PC if you aren't tech savvy or don't have spares laying about.Do you have any friends or someone at work that might help out?
A spare drive, spare GPU and a spare PSU isn't a bad idea.RAM, CPU and MOBO all change compatibility too often to have a reliable replacement for them. Not suggesting you go out and buy them, but keep a spare set of parts, you know?
You guys ever used a computer so fast it gave you motion sickness
>>109523046> 1000w platinum PSU for $90Can only be crap. You get what you pay for. If you are lucky. Often you are not.
>>109523188CPU and motherboards last 5+ years now because of AMD so those can be kept as spares if you upgrade somewhat frequently One generation of ram lasts kinda long too
am6 can't launch yet. we have to wait for ddr6.
>>109520921Insufficient cooling solution, cheap components, short life expectancy.The cheapest model of some product is usually crap.
>>109523257Yeah, but if you upgrade, you're not very often upgrading to the same platform.Like if you've got a decent AM5 CPU right now, are you gonna get another one before AM6 comes out?
>>109523340Seeing that am5 will be bleeding edge until zen8/am6 comes out in 2030-2031, I probably will
>>109523372AM5 is absolutely not going to be bleeding edge for 5 years anon.They've said they're going to continue to support it, they never said it's going to be bleeding edge.
>>109523396Zen7 that's launching in 2028-2029 will be on am5That's confirmation of am5 staying bleeding edge until 2030-2031 when zen8 launches
>>109523410DDR6 is set for 2028. Zen 6 will either add it as a midlife refresh (And thus there will be AM5 boards with DDR6 slots), or Zen 7 will be DDR6 and use the same socket, but have a compatible chipset. Either way, AM5 boards with DDR5 cannot be "Bleeding edge" if there exists DDR6, because DDR6 will be the bleeding edge.
>>109523442Ddr6 seems like a big enough change that breaks socket compatibilityI doubt we'll get am5 ddr6 boards at all
Just upgraded from a 5600g and 6600 to a 5800xD3 and 7700XT (already have 32 GB DDR4 and a 650W psu) for $800 after tax, tip, shipping to my door and including a (((free))) liquid cooler (newegg bundle with the 5800xD3)Plan was to build a long term 1080 gaming PC that can weather this whole hardware crisis without blowing the bank while also offering a little speed boost to my compile times and maybe let me tinker about with a little more AI without spending twice as much.Only really play old, non graphics driven games. The only game I ever struggled to play was Oblivion Remastered but I got it to work using some performance mods. Looking forward I'd like to be able to run TES6 but honestly dont care much about modern gaming anyways.I dont think the prices for the next gen / 16GB cards are ever gonna come down so I think it made sense to buy those two targetted upgrades and be done with it for another 5 years.Did I make a good, bad, or neutral choice?I know spending money is always bad but if it cures my FoMo and can handle stuff like TES6 on playable settings then I think it was worth it to me Should have checked in with you guys before entering my card info but wanted to check in after the fact to get a gut check
>>109523469The plan for AMD is to upgrade threadripper to DDR6 before consumer boards.So, maybe we see a Threadripper X3D + 2x 6090s for $15K gaming PCs.
>>109523442>DDR6 is set for 2028Same as zen7
>>109523605Maybe they end up doing a Zen 6+ like they did with Zen 3/+.
>>1095235035800x3d is a good choice, the 7700xt idk, depends on price
>>109523442ddr6 is a 2030 thing, zen7 is ddr5 and comes out in early 2029 or late 2028
>>109523770$410 on amazon. Free shipping with prime but after taxes it was like $450 I think.It was between that and the 9060 for me but the 9060 was an extra $50 and I didn't think the extra VRAM was worth it vs the actual game performance. May have been a mistake but if so I'd rather just upgrade to a 16GB card when that time comes (which I doubt will be TES6 desu so not my problem really)
>>109523442Intel will probably have DDR6 support first since they usually have a new socket every other year, for AMD they'll release zen7 on AM5 and we'll have to wait for zen8 and am6 to get DDR6 support.
>>109523835next intel socket will be supported for 3 generations starting with nova lake early 2027ddr6 is a 2030 thing
Are we going to get camm2 on desktop motherboards with ddr6?
>>109523877most likely, if not sooner
>>109523877Yes, dimms are dead.
>>109523884>>109523894it would be amazing to get ddr5 on camm because ddr5 sucks for AI, the bandwidth is too narrow, it gets too hot and the so-dimm technology is outdated and performs bad, part of me thinks that they need to improve ddr5 to run AI now because they can't wait until 2030 for ddr6
>>109523904DDR6 will be out for datacenters at the latest in 2028 it's only consumers that have to wait. Well probably see DDR6 on 2027 in datacenters first with Epyc and Xeon supporting it.
>Servers go with CAMM2 or HBM instead.>DDR6 finds the server market less fruitful than thought.>Intel releases a DDR6 socket sooner than AMD.>AMD get caught with their dicks in their hands because they pledged to support AM5 for 600 years.I would not be surprised if AMD have some sort of plan for what happens if this notoriously hard to predict memory market does not work out as predicted.
>>109523948Their plan is simple, if DDR6 is too expensive they'll just keep releasing CPUs for AM5. If DDR6 is out and "affordable" then they move on to AM6.
>>109524100>>109524100>>109524100>>109524100>>109524100
>>109523234I mean, it’s a cybernetics platinum unit that was very highly reviewed by independent testing with the best sub 5% power consumption I’ve ever seen outside of commercial units. Sometimes, there’s just a really good deal, anon.
