intel sucks
userbenchmark sucks
placebo nigger doesn't know what he is talking about

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Did you update?

>>109573678
>w*ndows

>>109573678
yeah I updated, I updated to linux a month back

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https://www.techpowerup.com/351297/amd-zen-6-to-improve-1-lows-and-in-game-stuttering

>>109573678
Sad as it is, you always need windows.

>>109573881
No, the 5070 Ti is better than the 9070 XT, and has features like DLSS.

>>109573678
Yes I ran

emerge -auUD @world

Imagine how silly amd gpu buyers must feel in a month or so when dlss5 comes out

>look at all my ai slop frames
So jelly

>>109574051
The dlss 5 image gen is based on the actual ingame data.
How else would you do it? How do you think amd will do it for their gpus in 2030's

I want less realism in my games not more especially not AI slopped

>>109574094
Don't buy new hardware or software then.

>>109573662
gotta ask, what sort of upgrade should i go for my build or should i try to get a prebuilt at this point. I use my desktop for coding, gaming and general browsing.

specs:
b350 pc mate
3600x cpu
6600 8gb
32 gb ram 3600mhz cl 16
550 gold power supply.

what are some good quiet fans (and cheap) for the air 903 case because the stock case fans are making a high pitch whine

>>109574130
CPU is the most straight forward. Any 'newer' AM4 will probably be an upgrade.

>>109574181
>good quiet fans
>and cheap
I was the same way until I paypigged for some noctua fans.

>>109574181
hwbuster had a fan list from what I remember just look it up

>>109574225
I like my noctua fans but they are hilariously expensive. The only fans I saw that are more expensive are ASUS unreleased ones

>>109574130
Get a 5600 or better cpu and then maybe upgrade the gpu if needed. A 5700 or better will help with compiling/productivity (more cores/threads). Better gpu can help with games/ai stuff (7600xt is cheapest 16gb amd but 9060xt is better). I don't know how good/bad amd is for ai stuff but nvidia tends to be better for productivity related tasks. You might also need to upgrade the psu. The other stuff is fine.

Is there are significant disparity in text token generation speed between the 9070 XT and 5070 Ti? I'm guessing 10% or so difference when comparing between Q4 and NVFP4.

>>109574130
I'd look at a prebuilt at this point, your pc is well balanced, if you get a better CPU you're going to be pushing your GPU to its limits if it isn't there already. ryzen 5000 is also only one gen up from where you are so you're going to get a 20% performance uplift generally unless you get an x3d chip. I guess you can go up to a RTX 5060, RX 9060, 3070, 6800, 4060ti etc. on this cpu without it being a complete waste of money.

>>109574340
Closer to about 40% advantage to 5070 Ti.
9070 XT is GDDR6 with a 640 GB/s~ Bandwidth.
5070 Ti is GDDR7 with 896 GB/s.

Which is about 40% more bandwidth, and correlates to 35-40% faster token generation.

32gb ddr5 ram has been stuck at £350 for almost an entire year now neither going up or down.

>>109574602
well fuck. probably going to trade in my 9070 XT whenever the opportunity comes

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>>109573678
11

>>109574627
Was €409 here. Only recently going up to €419 and shortly after to €429.

>>109574627
they're investing hundreds of billions into making more hbm3 for ai datacenters
dont worry, soon you'll have cheaper ai models to rent

>>109574647
Many such cases.

Why is it so hard to make a good looking build?
None of these patches match at all.

>>109573895
>nvidia better than amd cause features people dont always use
bro if you wanna convince someone to get a nvidia card just tell them the drivers are better at the moment

>>109575212
Just by raw performance the 5070Ti is better in most cases.

Nigger

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Running Linux I bought a Gigabyte motherboard since they have the most firmware files on LVFS and from there I assumed they have the best support: https://fwupd.org/lvfs/search?value=gigabyte

I learned recently that you need patched kernel modules that don't work half the time just to get some of the sensors working like for your fan's RPM: https://github.com/frankcrawford/it87

This is annoying. I won't be buying this brand anymore. Is Asus better? They seem to make the best hardware.

hmmmmm. i cant help but notice the lack of a blackwell 6000 in the OP.

>>109575514
>Is Asus better?
works out of the box on my TUF Z790 but the sensors have no labels
so, you know, A for effort
>They seem to make the best hardware
lol
no mobo manufacturer makes the best hardware, they're all bad

>>109575681
but which one makes the less bad hardware?

>>109575212
>>109575402
Nvidia drivers worse than AMD on Windows 10, Windows 11, and Linux today.

>>109575764
Works fine on my PC. Are you sure you installed them right?

>>109575732
ASUS might make the best hardware at the very top
talking like $600+ boards
idk

but for normal people ASUS will penny pinch you to death by cutting down aggressively on the VRMs, removing BIOS options, removing sensors, etc
the other brands give you more value at the same price point
doesn't mean all low-to-mid range ASUS boards are bad (i have one) but something to be aware of

and if you're looking for linux support none of them care, it's nowhere near as bad as it was say 20 years ago but there's no way to know if everything will work out of the box without testing the board yourself

>>109575514
Anus has the worst RMA department.

>>109573662
Has anyone got an actual link or evidence to the 990 pro SSD issues with Linux? OP has claimed for several weeks now that its bad with linux. I see a few articles online about Linux issues like disconnects and firmware but nothing that stands out as unusual as I can also see these for windows all other drives including the recommended WD ones

>>109575821
/pcbg/ labs has put it through the test
(it didn't make it)
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106011672/#106018430
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106011672/#106020532

I think I've narrowed down my system fatal error MCEs to the motherboard after getting another one on my new 5800X3D.
b550 recommendations around or under $150? I'm going to be replacing a b550 steel legend so everything I'm looking at seems quite pared down. But as long as my NVME+3 SATA drives work without stealing lanes from the GPU I'll be happy.
I use linux btw so I'm guessing gigabyte isn't a good option? >>109575514

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How do you guys manage dust? Not even in just a computer, but in general. Every surface is caked in it. I tried dusting every surface in my room down to the slats of my blinds and it did nothing. Help

>>109575514
Is MSI good for Linux?

I have an MSI b850mpower on the way

>>109575873
Obvious question: Does your case have dust filters on the intakes?

>>109575873
Typically computers have filters that does 90% of the job
try using nicotine patches instead of smoking

if you live in a particularly dusty part of the world then you might need ac units with decent filter systems or something like that

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changed my mobo for my budget pc. roughly $900 on this I just wanna be able to play games.
I have some slow ram and a ssd from another pc.

>>109575873
Filters, and if your computer doesn't have filters by default you order one from https://www.demcifilter.com/

>>109575821
samsung controllers are proprietary as hell. aspt/aspm implementation is only for windows. on linux it just disconnects the drive. if it bricks you can't recover it because it has samsung knox like their phones.

>>109574564
if i go for an 5700x3d chip, could i still use my wraith spire cooler? the case is the one thing i cheaped out on and i dont think i can go for a fancy cooler

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>>109575788
It doesn't work fine.

>>109575967
Oh okay. Now let's see them in PT games.

>>109575985
before we even get into video games, the nvidia graphics looks fake. you see it immediately at the desktop. icons are rendered by their display engine and its inferior to radeons display engine. the colors, the crispness, the whole image looks fakes on nvidia. rdna4 graphics look next gen in person.

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3DMark stress tests (20 consecutive benchmark runs) managed to expose unstable DDR5 timings missed by commonly recommended CPU or DRAM stress tests.
tCCD_s, tCCD_l, tRDRD_sg needed to be loosened by 2 ticks.
These extended 3D render runs stress the IMC over the PCIe lane by creating bank-switching loads other synthetic tests don't create (cross-bus traffic).
Set Windows power plan to [High performance] before you run these tests.
[Balanced] power plan doesn't appear to run the system hard enough to create these conditions.

This test condition can also expose edge cases related to unstable CPU undervolts (constantly runs tests @ maximum single-threaded boost clock).
It took a while to realize the issue with my setting was the memory timings vs. the undervolt.

Before you blame Afterburner, Adrenaline, or silicon lottery for your unstable "GPU OC", make sure your CPU & memory tuning is stable.

>>109576032
tras also matters on ryzen despite buildzoid saying otherwise. too high is too slow, too low is also slow. its the minimum number of clock cycles a memory row must stay open (active) before a precharge command can close it and closing it too early will miss crucial data and leaving too long will suspend the operation for the next refresh cycle.

>>109576054
tRAS on DDR4 was definitely a meme, at least.

>>109576104
on single rank memory it doesn't matter as much but for dual rank it does make a difference as theres more banks opening and closing.

>>109576009
Okay, that's nice.
Now post the PT results.

>>109576032
sounds like fun
might buy 3dmark one day
or might keep living in ignorance
>tCCD_s, tCCD_l, tRDRD_sg needed to be loosened by 2 ticks
tCCD timings don't exist as hardware registers on intel CPUs
so if you have RDRDdg set manually already all you really did was increase RDRDsg by two ticks
which is sensible, you can probably get the old setting stable by shoving more voltage into the sticks
>>109576141
AFAIK no DDR4 die cares about tRAS
micron cares about tRC, and on intel tRC=tRAS+tRP, so you need to work backwards and set tRAS=min_stable_tRC-tRP

>>109575873
>it did nothing
What do you mean? Surely after you dusted, the dust was gone. It's one of those things you have to do periodically.

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I built a ridiculous cooling setup just to realize that my case fans don't react to CPU or GPU temperatures, but the "system temperature" which is constantly 30 degrees. I went to the UEFI to change the fans to follow the CPU temperature and it made the CPU hotter? All these fans are connected to a fan hub in the back which connects into a single PWM header. Is this wrong? My best guess is that the top ones going too fast makes too much turbulence. What do?

>>109576462
Have you tried measuring before/after for both idle and load temp? Or is this just vibe

When attaching the mobo to the case, and then the CPU cooler, and then GPU to the mobo, is it better to keep the case upright or on its side?

>>109576462
Those top fans are absolutely unnecessary. And depending on their speed, might just be feeding the hot exhaust right back into the CPU.

>>109576462
your top fans are intake and exhaust when it should be double exhaust. the gpu air also has nowhere to go other than to the cpu.

>>109576519
Also put that GPU support in the middle of the edge. Distributes the load better.

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>>109576497
Idle is around 29, when I turned on CPU monitoring idle was around 40 somehow, I'll have to check again.

>>109576519
>>109576527
I followed the noctua guide: https://www.noctua.at/en/expertise/blog/best-fan-setup-fractal-design-north. This video too which confirms the reasoning for the setup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdFQL3t5rmQ. I'm more concerned for CPU temps anyway.

>>109576529
This is true, I forgot to do this.

i cant wait for chiplet gpu v2

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>>109576614
Based.

>>109576610
I agree with the other anon on the potential for the top intake fan sucking in some hot air back into the system, I wonder how that system would fare against a system with only 1 fan on top sucking out the air heated by the CPU cooler.

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>>109575967
being an AMD owner is a humiliation ritual at this point

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>>109576678

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>>109576702

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nvidia's starting to run away from its zany openAI investment plans. the beancounters are probably finally demanding some ROI projections that fit a reasonable timeframe. Soon it will be 0 and novideo will be back to reaming our asses with $1000 top end GPUs.

Worth it to upgrade from a 3600 to a 5800x3d? AM5 seems unattainable at current prices.

>>109576754
they still make that chip?

>>109576678
>posting gpu that won't even be for sale standalone

>>109576763
They just started making it again.

my LG (Local Gemma) is insistent that she has pink twintails.

>>109576754
I think the upgrade is worth it if you plan to use the 5800X3D for at least 5~7 years.

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>>109576741

>>109576754
It's like a 40~50% boost in potential performance compared to what you have. If you held on for this long with a 3600, you'll probably last until DDR6 with a 5800x3d.

>>109576741
i meant to (You) you with >>109576769

>>109576702
you do know what market cap is, right?

>>109576754
depends on your secondhand market
it costs the same amount to upgrade to a 5800x3d as a 7800x3d where I live because these fuckers are overpricing them

>>109576754
that was my upgrade (5700x3d to be more precise)
100% worth it for me, a shame i didnt but more ram together with the cpu but oh well
any zen (1,+ and 2) to zen3 is 100% worth it, thing is zen3 to zen3 (3d) is a upgrade but you wont feel the same as the one i mentioned

>>109576843
7800x3d is AM5

>>109576880
I know. It costs the same amount to buy a 5800x3d and ddr4 16gb ram as it does to buy a 7800x3d and ddr5 16gb ram. Does that make sense?

>>109576890
I have an existing am4 platform

>>109576902
you can sell your old hardware

>>109576911
To who

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>>109576924
strangers on the internet

Is GIGABYTE B650M good for a 7600x

>>109576745
It's hard to see them recover to their current level if AI collapses since they've went all in on AI
Amd has way better fp64 compute for HPC than Nvidia and Nvidia is not competitive in consumer GPUs and will be even less so when rdna5 launches

>>109577100
There’s a few different models. Check out Hardware Unboxed’s B650M board comparison.

>>109573662
are dual and triple mode monitors a meme?

archive.org is basically down. the page loads but the backend is busted.

>>109577315
Depends on whether you're ok with the dual mode resolution at the screen's size or not. FHD at 27" is borderline acceptable for a videogame IMO, but it sure beats paying for a GPU that can manage 4K. Also, not all dual mode monitors do perfect integer scaling.

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>>109573662
I got an ASUS Z170-A, Intel i7-6700 w/ cooler and 2x4 GB DDR4-2400 Combo for $99.99 to pair with my GTX 1070. Good deal for a budget build?

>>109577315
no, I have one spare one. The meme is - for anything other than sims - getting fancy extra monitors. I have a literal thrift store spare. It's for extra info, you don't stare at it that much!!! but "3" is a false limit.

IT DEPENDS ON YOUR WORKFLOW

PLUS MONITORING

see?

two types. one is for all the time or whatever, think "power plant operator". The others are for getting work done, think "callcenter / secretary" -

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>>109576793
like I said, vramlet

>>109577557
local vram is always shoddy by comparison to what's available from the server.

Install grok build - it's a superpower of the commandline!

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>>109576702
>didn't have 100k to drop on amd when it was 2$
future evaporated into thin air
stupid fuckin mistakes man

>>109577605
I feel like I was born 10-20 years too late for any kind of easy money. Anyone who makes a ton of money on the stock market is just gambling their net worth on options and getting lucky.

>>109574627
>32gb ddr5 ram
>£350
Slightly less on ebay.

>>109574647
>probably going to trade in my 9070 XT
What models/quants are you running,
and what speeds are you getting?
You using all the draft model / mtp tech ?

>>109575953
>5700x3d chip
>wraith spire cooler (the good one with the copper)
Google says the cooler can handle 95w.
If you undervolt the 5700x3d it'll still run loud and thermal throttle on heavy workloads.

>>109576513
>installing hardware into case
>case upright or on its side?
Which ever means you're not fighting gravity.

>Why do youtubers...
Because they need to video the act, and they usually don't use overhead cameras.

>>109576678
>All AMD models are bad because they one bad model.
You are the dumbest shit.

>>109577616
could have made several easy trades (retard tier) this past years too.. but money still

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>>109577592
ah yes, the AMD and Android and cloud is very good value sars!

>>109577945
>Inference Hardware: Recent models like Grok 4.6 are reported to run and be trained on NVIDIA GB300 NVL72 systems with NVLink to deliver high performance and low latency.

nvidia for servers <> nvidia shit chips for losers

If you must own a piece of nvidia, buy a 5080 or above, nothing lower, the rest is junk.

So people are like "you mean you don't like nvidia?"

No, I mean I can't afford real nvidia, and the trash they put in consumer products is so awful.

Would I like a GB300? lmao what do you think??!

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>>109577972
As ever

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Do you guys also lick the last droplet of the thermal grease from the tube after applying it on the CPU?

>>109578442
I rub it over your dad's arsehole so he feels the heat transfer better.

>>109574130
If you stay on AM4, 5700X up to 5900XT for coding, X3D for gayming. You'd need to look at your priorities. Buy a Thermalright Peerless Assassin for cooling. RX 9060 XT 16GB is still the sweet spot for new graphics cards IMO. I don't know if your workload would benefit from Nvidia, but those shits are getting expensive - maybe look at a used 4060 Ti 16GB if so. I would also consider upgrading the PSU.

>>109578324
???

ok benchod

I shoulda gone with the 5700x instead of the 5500x3d
could've just used the wraith cooler and probably toothpaste or some shit for thermals and it would've been fine
like $80 cheaper and had 8 cores instead of 6

>>109578583
>I shoulda gone with the 5700x instead of the 5500x3d
You got a good deal, you can sell it if you want.

>cooler
never do that stuff, use an aio

>>109578620
>use an aio
I though you have to be 18 to post in here?

Imagine putting water inside your PC... lmao...

I have an AIO, a GPU with a melt connector and an OLED monitor

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>>109578745
Imagine not cooling everything with water!

My RM1000x PSU died out of nowhere, appearently it's not that uncommon since more people had it happen to them. I'm using a RM650 from an older pc right now as a temporary replacement, so long as I limit what I run that shouldn't cause issuss right?

>>109578745
I've done it twice. Once it leaked and killed my machine. Once it operated fine without any problems for a much longer length of time. I just use dry fans now, though, since literally all the water cooling does is move the heat a few inches away and then you still gotta blow air over it. It doesn't cool any better. There's absolutely no benefit.

>>109578620
>selling
never even occurred to me I'm literally ngmi
>aio
shan't ever

>>109578752
the /v/ special

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I understand this question is at best adjacent and at worst off topic
I have a pretty old rig (5600x 3060TI) that i still use to play on medium (roughly) @1440p, 1080p if the game is too demanding.
Anyhow this is the second time i see this "resolution quality" bar.
Whats that supposed to do? control how much "upscaling" the card has to do? so at 60% is rendering at 60% of 1440p then upscaling?
Im sorry for not knowing shit.

>>109578752
you fell for all the memes
i'm on air, dual 8 pin and ips

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>>109578752
>nvidiafags: IT BE FAST THOUGH *dies*

Yeah, fuck it. Imma buying a 7800X3D.

>>109579219
what memes? 5090 performance is nice

>>109579312
>running windows

>>109579312
>>109579236

>>109579342
I can see the ampere on each pin. While you're afraid of the boogyman in your head I enjoy good hardware.

>>109573662
Hey I bought a used thinkpad (E14, 7th gen), and am found out it has spare ssd and ram slots. I want to put arch on a separate drive and so am looking for a good m2.2280. Does anyone have any recs? And more importantly, buy now or wait until prices allegedly drop?

>>109579391
you don't need much for arch. i still use a 256gb ssd that came with my thinkpad.

>>109578908
Should be fine, set stricter power limits to the CPU and video card if you’re worried.

>>109579214
>so at 60% is rendering at 60% of 1440p then upscaling?
I believe this is correct.

>>109579408
thats true but I'm planning to keep that bitch Windows on the other drive for uni.

>>109577355
>2x4 GB
What OS and what games is this supposed to run?

>>109579422
don't most unis have cloud shit for everything? like google drive and one drive? you probably won't even need a big drive for windows.

fuck it, I'm buying a 5800x3d and skipping am5, we ball

>>109579468
I do bio-informatics, and you sometimes have profs that insist on some software only available to windows. If this wasn't the case I would have removed windows entirely

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>>109579474
plan on a good cooler too, i was surprised how much hotter it runs (i bought the anniversary edition) compared to my previous cpu (5600x)
also imo its overpriced but w/e

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is there any better e-waste budget steam machine than the B250?

>>109579578
buying into AM5 right now is completely moronic, the best I can do is extend my AM4 platform as far as possible, if this madness doesn't end by the time AM6 comes around then I give up entirely

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novalake avx512 and apx support confirmed

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>>109579623

>>109579585
not really but you have to know your way around arch so it's not "just works" like a normal pc would or a steam machine
i think you have have to use the aur to get the full performance
you also have to print a case and find a psu that runs that thing
if you could buy a ready made kits it would be cool but now it's just a diy toy for people who already have a 3d printer
it's cheap if you have a bunch of expensive stuff and time
cheap used am4 system with a cheap used amd gpu would be better

>>109579474
you won't even be able to buy ddr6 as a general consumer

>>109579623
>>109579630
how long before they remove it again?

>>109579633
there are other options to buying

>>109579639
when they revive optane and get back into the memory business

>>109579643
are you going to hire crackheads to steal ram from data centers?

>>109579650
anon's a lawful citizen and will enter into a bidding war against computer oems

let's say i have a dual GPU setyp with a 3090 and a 5070ti (24 and 16)

should i buy a 5090 or keep my hardware? which GPU should i replace if i get the 5090? i do AI shit sometimes

>>109579699
buy a 5090 and replace the 5070ti

>>109579463
Planning to add 2x8 RAM soonish. Currently dual booting Win11 23H2 and Win10 AtlusOS on my G41M-P33, 2x4 DDR3 RAM, Modded Xeon E5450 @ 3.23 OC platform. As for games, wherever I missed that's been good.

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I wish I got a 5080 and 64gb of RAM when it was cheaper and I had more money.

thanks for sharing

>>109579671
i read that with the scientists voice from hl1 for some reason.

>>109579770
5080 is a retard gpu

>>109579770
>and I had more money.
but now you have more money!

>>109574181
Arctic p12s are completely fine and don't cost anything, just make sure you get the regular ones, there's some other model that has a circle perimeter around the fins and if placed near any sort of smaller ventilation holes can start producing a high pitched whine, terrible design choice.

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220mm fans are just insane

is the price difference between 5070ti and 5080 worth it?

>>109580241
yes

I wonder if should go back to the AE-9. I feel like I don't know enough about sound engineering to get a truly good microphone sound with the XLR daisy chain I set up. Maybe I'm just stupid and should stick with USB microphones.

>>109576812
summerfag absolutely does not

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>>109579214
>>...i see this "resolution quality" bar. Whats that supposed to do?
each dlss preset has a fixed value for scaling the internal resolution relative to the output resolution. the 60% value aligns with dlss balanced preset when rounded up.
>>so at 60% is rendering at 60% of 1440p then upscaling?
in theory, yes, that's a (2560*0.6)x(1440*0.6) internal resolution.
but i wouldn't be too sure with applying a custom resolution scale; i believe it just rounds to the closest preset. I'd personally use the nvidia app (or some other program) to force it reliably instead, then check it's applied usings nvidia's frameview for sanity sake.

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3090tis are burning up now

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>>109577605
I still remember somewhat vividly when the guys from mythbusters did the nvidia presentation in 2008 showing off the power of gpus at some conference when the stock was around 80 cents

>>109580465
>>109576812
market cap is meaningless. crypto proved it.

>>109580241
5080 is a retard gpu are you a retard

>>109580652
most of this is user error since the general nvidia owner isn't exactly the sharpest tool

>>109580692
yes
I don't know anything

>>109580697
then dont build a pc, windows/linux would just destroy you.

>>109580241
5080 is a mere 10-15% faster than the 5070ti and doesn't have more vram or other features to make up for the cost difference

>>109580652
>The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti has a Thermal Design Power (TDP) of 450 watts

the magic number is 360W. anymore causes fires and exploding parts.

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Tomorrow I'll get all the parts, yet... I feel nothing.

>>109580744
how about cuda/local llm stuff?

>>109580745
The Babylonians have it all figured out...

>>109580751
Same shit there too
Both GPUs are using the same chip but the 5070tis is just a harvested version of it with 16.7% of it turned off

>>109580162
that wasnt exactly popular in golden times of air cooling and today when 360 aios are better that cpu air and absolutely put gpu air to shame makes even less sense

>>109580745
More like nvidia TDP numbers are so bullshit they make AMD look legit. 450W? More like 1000W.

>>109580751
5070ti is literally the same cuda die as 5080 but with shut off rops and nerfed memory speed.

if you want do AI get a 24GB card. 16gb is a joke. 4090 & 7900XTX can fit 24-32b models the 5080 cant.

>>109580778
3090 family can transient spike up to 900w, almost triple the magic number.

>>109580766
>>109580780
why would they do that? wouldn't producing them cost the same if they just "turn them off"?
well but xx90 stuff is ridiculously more expensive just to get those 8gb. Also:
- Can't you nowadays fit even larger models on limited VRAM but its really slow in comparison to fully fitting it into VRAM?
- How good is AMD for ai stuff nowadays? A few years ago it was practically unusable because everything just supported cuda, I think

>>109580778
Depends on the chip and stock voltages. The 4090 is more like a 410w GPU than a 450w one while the 5090 is a 600w GPU despite the 575w rating
>>109580800
Transients are absorbed by bulk caps and don't matter

>>109580805
5070tis can be made from junk dies while 5080s require perfect dies with no defects
4090s are priced in for their ability to be modded to 48gb

>>109580810
NTA but they do matter. My 3060 Ti unironically triggered PSU protection circuits on a 660W PSU despite being a 200W card. Yeah it was a pretty old PSU so maybe newer ones are designed to have much looser protections, but those constant power excursions do damage. They shouldn't claim it's a 200W card when it does crazy high transient spikes.

Like, at least let me know what to expect. If the card spikes to 600W or some shit, tell me about it.

>>109580652
If the 3090 Ti FE buyer was willing to take his chance with a less safer power interface, he needed to install the card in a larger case or use a 90° cable.
>I noticed some green corrosion on one of the cables and stupidly continued using it.
You'd think someone with a $2,000 video card would be a bit smarter.

>ASUS GPU Tweak Power Detector can now switch between the cosmetic and detailed display
>has now an auto shutdown after a set time when exceeding 12.5 ampere
only took them 1 1/2 years

>>109580988

>>109579001
buh-buh-but muh noise!
>slaps aquarium pump to cpu

Could your PC handle Doom 3 in 2004?

>Low-End:
1.5GhzP4 or equivalent
512MB Ram
Geforce4 Ti 4800 or Radeon 9500

>Mid-Range:
2.4GhzP4 or equivalent
1GB RAM
Geforce5950 or Radeon 9800 Pro/XT

>High_End: Aka Hardware that doesn't exist, but best guess anyway
3.4GhzP4 or AMD equivalent
2GB RAM
GeForce 6800 Ultra or Radeon X800 XT PE.

>Top 10 things you need to know bout DooM 3!

1. 6800 is a tad faster than X800 cards. Both run it in full glory

2. The game has four render paths: NV10, NV20, R200, and ARB2. All paths look awesome, even down to a g4mx, but the ARB2 path is the "full package," and is used for the R300+ and Geforce FX+ cards. It does all it's fancy **** in one pass.

3. PCI Express enhances NOTHING.

4. The difference between a 128mb and 256mb card is that the former uses compressed textures whereas the latter only compresses diffuse and specualr maps. In another words, no big deal. However, a 500mb card is needed to run the game in Ultra Quality mode.

5. 512MB is the ideal system total memory. 384 is required, 1GB is nice, but the difference is negligible.

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>>109578506
sars amd and android are a very good value sars!

>>109578324
replace with the RTX CHADWELL PRO

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>>109579001
>ince literally all the water cooling does is move the heat a few inches away and then you still gotta blow air over it. It doesn't cool any better. There's absolutely no benefit.
Is there a reason poors like to come online and tell lies on the internet?

>>109578324
Thats not sour grapes retard.
He's just saying nvidia cards are too expensive for what they are. Which is a fact for the average consumer (non-richfag)

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>>109581135
>Which is a fact for the average consumer (non-richfag)

Stick with Radeon if you can't afford it, thirdie

>>109581143
Im fine with my nvidia card bro. I'm not that anon

>the ram I paid $150 for last year is now $1000
are consoomers still buying PCs? I just can't imagine paying such absurd prices for some dinky 64gb ram alone

>use pc without issue for years
>remove RAM (ddr4) to use in another PC for a few months
>put RAM back into old PC
>won't post
>try a few a double and single stick combinations
>posts once
>doesn't post again no matter what combination I try
why is ram so fucking autistic. how can I force this shit into submission

>>109581180
i am unironically considering paying 400 for 32gb ram because there is a non zero chance it's the last build i'll ever do considering the way things are going

>>109581180
looking at all the screeching when the steam machine price was revealed I doubt. Really makes me wonder what will happen if the PS6 will be 1k+ too.

>>109581180
Usecase for 64GB of RAM? Most people don't need 32GB of RAM. 16GB is totally adequate for general use.

I have a Ryzen 7 5700X and a 5070 TI. My mobo is the X570 A-Pro

Is it worth upgrading to AM5? Or should I just wait for AM6?

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Gree/ting/s.
I'm thinking of upgrading the following:
CPU: [Intel Core i3-7100 @ 3.90GHz] to [AMD Ryzen 5 5500 @ 3.6GHz]
Motherboard: [Gigabyte H110M-DS2-CF] to [Asus Rog Strix B550-F]
GPU: [Nvidia Quadro K2000D 2GB] to [GeForce RTX 3050 8GB]

Also:
-Planning to get a [Be Quiet Pure Power 13M 650W Full Modular 80 Plus Gold] PSU
-RAM is 16GB, should be enough.
-The case is pic related but with a DVD drive. I can't find the model name, but it's listed as a mini tower (36x36x17cm).

-Are there going to be any hardware conflicts or incompatibilities?
-Any additional expenses I'll have to keep in mind, such as cooling?
-I'm planning to use it for gaming among other things, but I don't expect insane results, just being able to play the average modern Souls-like smoothly.
-Is the CPU significantly inferior to the options in the OP? They all cost about 80 eurodollars more for me.
-I can find an [ASRock ARC B580 12GB Challenger OC] for 50 eurodollars more than the 3050, is it worth it? I don't know how dependable the maker is.
-Is it advisable to replace the tower, too? It feels like that's where the Ship of Theseus threshold will be crossed.

Thanks for any info or suggestions. I'm new to this, so some of my choices might be completely off the mark.

(Greece btw)

>>109581314
Upgrade if you have the cash to burn & if you enjoy the upgrading and hardware tuning process.
This isn’t a value play.

>>109581314
are you a gaymer? if you can get x3d for a reasonable-ish price it'll tide you over
5700x is... well it's usable but it's pretty underpowered for 5070ti
>Is it worth upgrading to AM5? Or should I just wait for AM6?
am6 isn't happening anytime soon, but you won't really *need* a new cpu until next gen consoles come out

>watching microns indian CEO blame regular paying customers for driving prices down meaning they couldn't make as much profit

you do not hate these people enough

>>109581361
they were the ones coincidentally reducing production together with sk hynix and samsung when the AI RAM hype started lmao

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>>109581327
Strix B550-F is a midrange board compared to the entry level CPU & GPU you picked.
>I don't expect insane results, just being able to play the average modern Souls-like smoothly
Good luck if these Souls-like are made on UE5, the 3050 runs slower than a 2060 6GB on average.
Try to get an RX 9060 XT at the very least.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/zotac-geforce-rtx-3050-twin-edge-oc/30.html

This GPU review has updated video card benchmarks (May 2026).
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-gre-pulse/30.html

>Any additional expenses I'll have to keep in mind, such as cooling?
5500 includes a stock cooler that will probably run a bit hot and loud.
Look for Kotetsu Mark 3 or Pure Rock 3 single tower coolers if they cost under EUR 30.

>>109581327
lie, cheat and steal to upgrade the 5500 to 5600, not only does the cache help a lot you also avoid weird pcie3 stuff
rtx 3050 is poverty tier bullshit, arc b580 12gb is way ahead of it. the software ecosystem is worse than nvidia but the difference in performance is so big that it's irrelevant
mobo seems okay
psu seems okay
16gb ram can be a bit tight but it's usable, and realistically you're not upgrading to 32gb if you're considering rtx 3050

>>109581469
>16gb ram can be a bit tight but it's usable
16 RAM is plenty usable wtf your mean tight? There is no game that requires 32 gb

>>109581497
I played stalker 2 on release (~2 years ago) and had to shut down everything in the background or swap would go crazy. Nobody bothers optimizing shit nowadays. It's fine if you're playing dota and indies, but big titles can struggle on 16gb.

>>109581497
some games do heavy shader compilation and chew through ram when doing so. tlou crashes 16gb systems unless you have pagefile setup properly.

>>109581361
I hate the system they exist in. Making a trillion dollars a year (adjusted for inflation) forever, with zero extra work or effort, guaranteed, is a failure state.

>>109581536
imagine paying more in order to reward shitty programmers

it is so grim watching these tech channels receive ewaste tier garbage and having to be like "this ain't so bad" because an actually good computer is double the price it should be

>>109581573
its fixed on linux (the shaders are downloaded by steam). its a windows issue.

>>109581427
>>109581469
Harsh reality duly noted. Thanks, anons, I appreciate the wisdom. The system has been static since I bought it in 2018, so this will be the first real upgrade.
I'll go with an AMD Ryzen 5 5600 along with the Pure Rock 3, and either the ASRock ARC B580 or a Gigabyte Radeon RX 9060 XT if I manage to.

Is there any part I need to buy asap due to rising prices?

>>109577349
does that mean if buy 32 inch 4k and 1080 mode switching one 1080p looks like trash??

>wanted to order an external hard drive from amazon
>one is a decent (as good as it's gonna get) price per TB
>see THIS ITEM IS FREQUENTLY RETURNED on the page
>all the other insanely expensive drives don't say that just that one

so people are 100% buying that drive, shucking and swapping the drive out and returning it right? I don't feel like getting burned and ending up with a 500GB drive and dealing with all that nonsense fucking hell

>>109581646
If you really need to save some money, Ryzen 5500 doesn’t completely screw you over as long as the 8GB VRAM is sufficient.
Check other high value for money coolers like Thermalright Phantom Spirit or Mugen 6 (could be expensive in different regional).
If the Kotetsu 3 costs nearly EUR 30, get a Thermalright 120mm dual tower cooler

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Post your unpopular PC building opinions

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>>109581327
> Asus Rog Strix B550-F
This board has no front USB 3.X header. A shame!
Just so you know.
I got picrel because of this.

>>109578829
I genuinely need something like this for wireless VR.

>>109581702
1080p on a 32" screen is going to look like trash no matter what, unless you're sitting very far away (like a TV). You're going to get far better image quality if you use DLSS or FSR Performance to render at 1080p and upscale that to 4k. Feeding 1080p directly to the monitor will look way worse.

>>109579923
The regular p12s and p14s make horrible noise too depending on where you stick them.
Like as front intake on my meshify 2c. Luckily they stay dead quiet at 50%.

>>109581724
if you buy nvidia you have no clue about computers and just buy the same shit like applefags,nikefags,mcdonaldfags.

>>109581361
>you do not hate these people enough
https://youtu.be/WWCLI7lXEdI

>>109580351
mic audio quality is like solved by a decent enough usb mic and some eq compression and that shit
where does mic audio cap out now a days something like 50-150 bux tops?
tweaking the input seems more important than a better mic since a better mic

>>109581724
windows and apple users are the same. they are the same kind of retard i mean. if you aren't running linux you are just larping as a person who is interested in computers.

>>109581757
I'm also looking for a B550 board >>109575858 and was about to get the TUF B550-plus wifi II but then I realized that.
Was considering the B550-A PRO V1 but maybe I should just get one of those for like $15 more?

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>>109581724
hdr gaymen unlocks more detail and colors compared to sdr as such you must use the best hdr display available to truly game, which is a tv currently, specifically the s95h s99h
you are also forced into Jensens ecossytem and you must buy a 5090

>>109581923
I'm not, I'll game at 4K on a b580 on high settings and XeSS quality and I'll like it

>>109581707
Considering my current ancient setup, any of those options would be a massive upgrade anyway, but apparently the 5500 can handle some titles I'm interested in (Tainted Grail and Mortal Shell 2 for example), so if the budget is tight I might choose that. Then again, future-proofing is something to keep in mind too, so I'll have to think about it. Thanks again, anon.

>>109581757
That Tomahawk has somehow vanished from every online marketplace I know of.
The lack of USB-3 isn't a dealbreaker for me, but I appreciate the heads up.

why the hell are you still building a PC, why didn't you do it last year?

>>109581895
Yeah but they barely make dynamic mics on USB. It's all just USB desktop stuff that captures every single fucking thing around you.

I think my next PC will be the m15 mac mini when my m3 macbook pro dies. Minimalism won.

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AM4 is pretty goated

>X370 - Ryzen 1000 (Zen 1)
>X470 - Ryzen 3000 (Zen 2)
>X570 - Ryzen 5000 (Zen 3)
>5800X3D in 2022
>5950X
>128GB DDR4 (4x 32GB)
>NVMe becoming standardized

>>109575873
Wash the walls, floors, ceiling, if you have carpet (disgusting) rent a wet vacuum and wash that. If you have central heating/air conditioning get the ducts professionally cleaned.

>>109579810
Back then it was. Now it's looking like a pretty good deal compared to the 5070Ti.

>>109575873
How is your dust problem that bad?

>>109582234
Not him, but I live in a very windy countryside area, where it gets suffocatingly hot throughout the summer unless I keep the windows open all the time. There's a lot of dust.

>>109582249
Yep that can't be helped, thank fuck I have central heating and cooling, filters last a few months but my air is at least not filled with pollen and dirt.

>>109582185
When I was more naive, I thought you could use any AM4 cpu on any motherboard with an am4 socket.

>>109582268
you can. it just won't be fun for the vrm or the cucked bios on the early b350 boards.

>>109582239
No. It's a certified retard GPU. If you buy one you are actually retarded.

>>109582276
I mean, you also can't run older cpus on newer boards. Most of the time it takes loads of tinkering and bios reversions and even then half the time it doesn't work. I tried getting a 2700x to work on my b550 board (spare parts I was giving to a friend) and it just would not work right no matter what I did.

>>109582299
How? At this point in my area I can spend $1100 (Only $100 over what it used to be) on a 5080, or spend the exact same amount on a 5070 Ti ($350 over what it used to be). Seems like the choice is pretty obvious for me.

>>109582322
It is, he's just mad because like most discussions on /g/ it's about people throwing opinions at each other that they decided to get married to 6 months ago.

5070 Tis have been going up in price because as the "cheaper" option to a 5080 with the same amount of VRAM the local model people have been gravitating to them. If you can pay nearly the same within the ballpark of $250+/- for a 5080 there's no reason not to other than waiting for a 5080S which will probably be scalped to hell due to having 24GB of VRAM.

>>109579699
context window limited by first gpu so make sure you put the 5090 in the x16 slot and the 3090 in the next slot

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>>109582304
>
there should be something more official on amds website.

>>109582141
compressor, noise gate, all that gay shit?
again tuning

>>109582154
why are u gae

>>109582342
I'm pretty confident the supers likely wont even come out anyways. At best it'll be a paper launch but I don't think we're seeing a new generation of GPUs until 2030.

>>109581018
>windows 11 pro
did you buy this with mommy's credit card

>>109582141
Yep. That's why you gotta go for that phone free life. Fuck it. Now what? Fucking peace and quiet at last. I can actually hear myself think. I have the assured of knowing that the phone isn't spying on me, and that knowing is priceless. Maybe when they fix the SS7 vulnerabilities, I will come back.

>>109582355
Dynamics are literally mechanically designed to only accept input from one direction, though. All software mic processing does is absolutely destroy the audio quality, in return for not hearing a fan.

>>109582359
>I'm pretty confident the supers likely wont even come out anyways. At best it'll be a paper launch but I don't think we're seeing a new generation of GPUs until 2030.

QRD on what went wrong here? I'm new

Is a Gen 3 NVMe that much faster than a SATA SSD?
I need to upgrade the storage on a few 2015 mini PCs.

>>109582387
a screaming underage nigra will out-stream you on a potato 1$ mic than you on your shure podcast mic brudda
it's doa
skill issue man

>>109582445
even gen is faster in reading in raw data

>>109582420
Demand for AI cards means there is way less profit to be made from gaming cards, so they just don't care and it got shoved on the back burner

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>>109582445
>Is a Gen 3 NVMe that much faster than a SATA SSD?

You tell us

>HDD: 75 MB/s, if that
>SATA SSD: 300 - 600 MB/s
>NVMe SSD Gen3: 3,500 MB/s
>NVMe SSD Gen4: 7,100 MB/s

>>109582322
>>109582359
>>109582342
It's a certified dumbass GPU

>>109582445
For some things where you need a lot of sustained transfer it matters, but for general OS snappiness its about the same.

>>109582466
>>109582471
>>109582475
I forgot to mention, these mini PCs are getting turned into video game host servers. Like hosting Minecraft, Project Zomboid, private server of WoW etc.
I don't care much about how fast the OS is.
But looking at prices now, Gen 3 NVMe is much cheaper than a 2.5" SSD. So I guess I'll get an NVMe. Maybe I can buy one used somewhere.

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What are currently the best SATA SSD anyways?

>>109582503
Samsung SSDs are overpriced. There's still some okay priced Crucial SSDs. Other than those two, not really sure. I've had bad experiences with Teamgroup SSDs, same with SanDisk and Kingston SSDs.

>>109582472
Seems pretty good to me.

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Remember when Microsoft contracted Nvidia to make Xbox'x GPU?

Xbox essentially shipped with a Pentium 3 733 MHz, 64MB DDR, a (slightly customized) Geforce 3, and an 8GB HDD for $299. A GeForce 3 was a pretty high-end card for 2001 too, a GeForce 2 and Directx 7 were really the standards still in 2001. Xbox system has Direct X 8.1, shader model 1.1, vertex shader 1.1 and two Vertex Shader units, while the Geforce 3's only had one. The Xbox GPU was quite powerful.

It's so funny that Halo was used to advertise the NVIDIA GeForce 2 GTS and then that graphics card literally couldn't run Halo. Most GPUs were intentionally gimped out of Shader Model 2.0 and couldn't play Halo PC with specular highlights and bumpmapping. Gearbox had to potato-ify or remove many of the graphical effects when they ported the game to PC. Gearbox needed to write a fixed function renderer to support older 3D cards. Shaders had to be toned down for DX8 back then, the PC DirectX lacked a ton of calls present on the Og Xbox's DirectX.

The fact that the DOOM 3 port and Morrowind worked as well as it did on the original Xbox is a testament to how powerful it was, as many people were upgrading their pcs just to play it, and the port was running on a console from 2001 if I remember correctly.

Now devs have Ryzen, 9070 XT, 5070 Ti, 5080, 5090 to develop with and can only make UE5 jank lol

>>109582472
>Dude, just spend the exact same price for less performance b- b- because I said so

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>>109582596
I'm so glad he put the arrow there or I'd have no idea.

>>109582503
any models with dram are about the same

What should I get?
>5080
>5070Ti and an expensive furry porn commission
>9070XT and two furry porn commissions, one expensive, the other slightly cheaper.

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>>109582503
an HDD

>>109581534
>>109581536
I played both of these games to completion while having discord and/or twitch on the background with no issues.
i.e worked on my machine

>>109582635
a single string of rope should cover all your needs

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>>109582605
MATTE MiniRGB
TWO HDMI2.1 PORTS
120HZ
more expensive than an S95H

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>fell for the oled meme
>monitor is now on a short 4 year timer before inevitable burn in occurs

>>109582645
How?

>>109582645
Nigga do you think a single string could hold him up?

>>109582674
>fell for the samsung oled tv meme
>resting easy knowing that the tv will die due to bad manufacturing from samsung qc before burn in even is a thing within 4 years so I can use my warranty or home insurance to get a brand new top of the line 77" oled

>>109582445
if you're just gaming, there's basically no difference. random file reads aren't going to saturate a SATA III port.

>>109582724
>load times dont matter
enjoy waiting

>>109582709
I've been on zepbound for like a year, I could probably use a ziptie.

>>109582738
people who value 2 seconds of their life aren't playing videogames.

>>109582739
>I've been on zepbound for like a year
Spiritual fatty. Your soul will never go to heaven.

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>>109582445
just for reference, a BX500 is a piece of crap SATA SSD from a decade ago and it takes 3 extra seconds to load a game compared to a 970pro with 3,500MB/s peak throughput.

>>109582766
At least my body won't cause a grease fire.

remember to sync your system clock guys or you will die in online multiplayer

>>109582753
I mean sure, but I think you could say most people in life are miserable and need something to keep their mind off it.

>>109582806
meds

>>109582825
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/s/qKCfn3zqOG

>>109582445
>spent $80 on the mini PCs
>have to spend $200 just on the NVMe
jesus. everything is so expensive now.