/iemg/ Dogma Check
Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:

>Crinacle is not your priest.
Rankings are a guide, not divine scripture. Your ears > his spreadsheet.

>Harman and JM-1 ≠ perfect.
It’s a preference curve, not a law of physics. Some genres need deviation.

>Chi-Fi isn’t magic.
Great value, yes. Immune to QC issues and hype cycles? Nope.

>Graphs are not sound.
They don’t show staging, dynamics, or fit. Use your ears, not just squigs.

>BA ≠ metallic, DD ≠ perfect.
Implementation matters more than driver type. Always has.

>Meme sets aren’t the whole hobby.
If it’s not shilled 24/7, it might still be good. It's highly encouraged to form an original opinion.

>Disagreeing ≠ cope or deaf.
Let people like what they like without foaming at the mouth.

>Loud posts =/= smart takes.
Confidence without experience is just noise. Show graphs, impressions, or both.

>Cognitive dissonance.
When you're presented with a truth that threatens your entire perception of the world around you, your brain will simply refuse to process it.

This has been your scheduled break from pos groupthink.

>>109893131
Define sandbox.

>>109893106
Moondrop translates to $12 chink shit sold for $600
We need to burn them whiches NOW

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>>109893106
missed opportunity

>>109893186
I wonder where $600 Variations sit on the value totem pole in 2026. Moondrop has even more expensive pos 5x that price, but nobody is praising those shits for any reason whatsoever

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who is buying KASIER ? it should be the same price as the hexa and pure

so i purchased tanzgu waner sg 2 and its impossible to put the eartip on the iem. the white ones fit easily but are too big for my ears, the black ones are impossible to fit!!!! i dont know what to do im getting desperate

>>109893250
It's just a continuation of the Kara and probably the 7th or so IEM of theirs reusing the DMT-5 DD.

>>109893479
>its impossible
it's possible

>>109893250
graph looks nice... if only it actually played like this inside my ears (it won't)

reminder that Moondrop spring tips are very good, until they rip apart after taking them off and putting them on several times.
very grippy, just a little too thin for long term, constant tip rolling.
anybody have experience with both Dunu S&S tips and spring tips and know which are any better?

>>109894715
I had pack of SnS tips and I didnt like them that much. Normal bulb shape work better for me. S&S on bigger sizes were just way too big for my ear canal, finger thick and they aren't as rounded at the end so there is 0 chance for seal with them if your ear canal isnt that big. Smaller sizes (S to M) are better, smallest one is bit like sleve on your nozzle, u can insert it deep and it will work as seal between nozzle and ear canal. Bigger one is something in the midle but it also worked for me.

They are better than dunu candy tips, they were too rigid. That iem was bitch to fit and don't lose seal every 10 s and tips that worked for me were some kind of soft silicon bulb shape ones. Bit in style of moondrop spring tips but I dont know brand. And guess what, it also tore after few swaps.

Speaking of eartips, Which recommended eartips that has soft stem? I never really fancy spinfit because they have rigid stem, my ear hurts after using it for a hour or two with rigid one.

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>>109893239
>I wonder where $600 Variations sit on the value totem pole in 2026.
Below $30.

>>109895329
Mogged hard by PRX

>>109895624
Depends on your EQ skills.

>>109894715
>anybody have experience with both Dunu S&S tips and spring tips and know which are any better?
depends on iem

>>109895681
they don't need that. they are "simply beautifully tuned"

>>109895986
Lol

>>109895246
Acoustune AEX70, the entire tip has a gelatin consistency

>>109893237
>POSITON!
My BWC please, Yes!

11 days left until TOTL brands keel over

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My earbuds fell apart. How can I fix them? Glue?

>>109897513
Yes, but don't put it on it directly, use a toothpick.

>>109893250
I've always wanted a Tanchjim and Kasier looks like the perfect opportunity to pull the trigger.

>>109893106
>inb4 Chuzo buying POSition and coming back here

>>109897513
Use epoxy and that son of a bitch will never come out again

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>>109897520
that worked but i'm a retard who never handled glue in his life

I got HE400SE headpos
€88 deal on ali, worth the money I'll say
doesnt pack much of a punch in the bass, to be expected from planar pos honestly (eqd to harman)
single dd pos are really the end all be all of hifi

>>109898280
one thing that i dont like about planars. I think DCA have bass bump with open planar driver, dont know how they done it and why chinks cant copy them.

>>109898300
yes, ironically the hifiman lineup only gets worse as it increases in price

>>109898352
also simple EQ with +3,4 db bass shelf from like 125 down goes really nice with planars, it also balances that brightness for me. I really like them (not talking about chinkfiman) that way but I also like ob dds

why is epz g10 so good, bros?

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Looking to buy my first pair of cheap IEMs, are the Kiwi ears cadenza good enough? Or should I go with the truthear gate as the FAQ mentions, they are pretty much the same price on Aliexpress

>>109898969
Kadenza has a worse shell shape but it's still decent.

>>109897909
Did you dab the iem along with your entire hand in a bucket of cyanoacrylate?

>>109898969
Wait for Zero 3, it'll be goated.

>>109898969
cadenza is too good for a first iem. get the belle instead. THEN get the cadenza a couple weeks later.

>>109898969
I have KBEAR KB01 which is supposedly the exact same thing as Cadenza from a different brand, in a very slightly different shell. I don't like it all.

Personally, I enjoy Kinera Celest Wyvern much, much more. Comfiest IEM I ever had (although that might be a bit hit and miss depending on one's ear shape) and sounds really good to me.

>>109898969
>>109899206
I should've also mentioned that aside from KB01 I also have the Gate, and from the two I definitely prefer the Gate. But between Gate and Celest Wyvern, I'd take Wyvern anytime.

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Let me guess, you "need" more.

>>109899287
Yeah, u kinda need more than ai generated anime child slapped on chink shit dongle

>>109898969
cadenza 2 or wait for zero 3

>>109898969
why bother? get a fugaku right off the bat and get it over with.

>>109898969
literally all these replies are telling to get the current FOTM bullshit.

>>109898969
I would recommend Waner 2 versions but the cable is kinda shit

>>109894715
Dunu S&S tips are the least comfortable tips I've ever used. Sure it seals well but my ear hurts after a few hours of listen. Spring tips are very comfortable but to my ears they are very weak on bass impact

>>109900516
he should but waner 2 and gate and just use gate's cable

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>>109893106
>Budget
200~ dollarydoos
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
casul gaming, youtube music playlists (usually techno, rock, house, vidya music)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
I like some good bass, and not too much treble
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
samson SR850 and whatever was the /g/ recommended giant killer from before that, it were some "monitor" headphones, like 10 years ago or more kek
I liked both

I'd prefer some closed back if that stops sound from leaking out a bit better.
Will be using them only in my room
also 3.5mm is a must

>>109901143
Few options for closed back headpos under 200, I have the fiio ft1 which is quite popular for this criteria, it's a good all rounder. First batches had QC issues like mine, new versions allegedly fixed. You could also look into Adam Audio H200, haven't heard it myself, check out reviews which point out some issues, but I own Adam Audio speakers and they're killer so I have some confidence in the brand. More options if you are willing to do open backed headpos, theres HD6XX but you need to EQ in bass, and Hifiman is having fire sales on their earlier planars like Sundara and XS

>>109901501
oops I meant around 100usd :(

>>109901598
Maybe check out the newest Moondrop GM-01gayming cans, reviews say it's pretty good for the money, good bass, under 100

Just bought Letshuoer S12 Ultras after using shitty JBL headphones for ages. My ears are hearing things they have never heard before.

>>109902202
that's because planars are superior

>>109902202
Sadly, you're wrong.

>>109902202
my experience exactly but with the chu 2

>>109902421
how is he wrong?

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>>109899680
It's the future.

stupid lying chink, new "genuine leather" pads have real leather only on face side, outside and mounting ring is some kind of plastic shit

>>109903274
prove it homeboy

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>>109903469
I mean material feels different, is really smooth and thin. Mounting ring is 100% plastic with some sort of thin cloth layered under. But outside feels that way too. Face side looks like leather, but still, thinner than my other chink pads. I dont know, it feels like other pads i bought were better quality. This one is in style of ZMF Caldera pads with angled inner wall made out of suede, faceside is leather with perf (but its much thinner than my other pads), outside is leather without any perforation. Im not sure about leather part tho, smells weird, feels thin, cross-section at the perforation points is gray, whereas in other pads i have color more closely resembles animal leather there, also they smell different. Maybe its leather but worse grade and dyed with something else

Sound is ok tho.

>>109903681
You gonna get bald from that dawg.

>>109902411
fortunately, you are correct

>>109901143
srh440a and 840a have decent bass but also good treble, which can be attenuated relatively easily
>>109903681
that's probably better
real leather is too thick and stiff for inner walls, fucks up the FR
I don't really get the fenestrated face and suede inner wall combo though

>>109903924
>get the fenestrated face and suede inner wall combo though
It is some sort of ZMF caldera pads copy. Treble is bit muted vs what ive used, cymbals went back and they are more in background rather than near your face. Also 15k+ region is bit less and that was my main issue with old pads. I like them.

Honestly, it’s amazing that the chinks haven’t yet cloned their entire lineup of pads despite cloning ZMF Atrium, Verite and Calderas. You can easily find a few specific models, but the broad variety of pads offered by ZMF is missing. The problem is that ZMF pads are five times more expensive and, for the most part, hard to get in the EU.

And if u have 100mm planar they are really nice for tuning them.

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>>109893106
>budget OEMs still starts at $20
uh OP you ever heard of this Samsung EO-IA500? starts at $8, supposedly the best
>https://youtu.be/VJQUmx84KHM?si=oMg-oEBk4UA0BO8A

>>109904114
>EO-IA500? starts at $8
*$250

10 days until TOTL brands fold

>>109904165
What the fuck happens in 10 days you faggot why do you keep writing this shit in every thread

>>109904170
New custom EPZ

>>109904152
>$250
where the fuck do you live, Melbourne?

>>109904209
Did you forget about all the parts necessary to make it not sound like putrid garbage?

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>>109904218
thank God Im not a born sucker like (you) lmao

>>109904235
Enjoy your 10dB channel imbalance lol.

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>>109904240
>Enjoy your 67jeebee chingbong bikingkong lol
ok

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>>109904280
I will.

Jcally pj3 arrived. Some hiss with test tones but less than on ja11 and far less than on jiezi. And it actually scales with volume so with music it's fine. Speaking of volume, it has that apple dongle thing where it doesn't start with full hardware volume, use android 16 or tinymix. No clicks and pops so far, even when you disconnect it. No slow fade in. Crosstalk above average, couldn't make it play anything audible through the other channel. Haven't tested PEQ yet. Will keep it in my DAC arsenal.

>>109904114
Good morning, saar.

>>109893106
I got these newfangled IEM thingies u kids like and I have to keep them at like 4 volume on Windows wtf. Also one of my IEMs make a hissing sound on my laptop, but not on my phone or PC, but my other IEMs dont make that hissing sound on laptop. Kinda sad cuz thats my fave IEM. Is there anything I can do? Is there a good portable DAC dongle thingie I can get that 1) makes IEMs not so sensitive to volume changes so I don't have to stay at fkn 4 volume and 2) gets rid of that hissing sound on laptop?

THANKS!!!!!

>>109905042
Portable donglel will get rid of hissing, your laptop port is just shit.
>Volume
No. You get what you get

>>109905059
>>Volume
>No. You get what you get
well that fucking sucks :/

>>109905059
>your laptop port is just shit.
how come the other IEMs are okay tho?? That IEM sucks!!!! :(

>>109905042
The hiss comes from the sound card. Different IEMs have different sensitivity so you'll hear it with some IEMs and not the others. DACs with volume buttons are the best solution since they usually have good non-hissing hardware and you can reduce their volume to allow more precise adjustments in windows. Like black pearl from OP. Or you can get a low power DAC like apple dongle or >>109904522
Or you can get a medium power dongle like jm20 max and reduce the volume in equalizer apo, but if windows update breaks it you're gonna blast your ears.

>>109905068
>Different IEMs have different sensitivity so you'll hear it with some IEMs and not the others
Brother they all have around the same sensitivity but only that IEM gets the hiss :(. My Tea Pro even has way less impedance than that IEM and it still doesn't hiss.

Can u pls just recommend a good portable cheap DAC I can use on my laptop? Maybeeee one that also reduces the volume sensitivity if possible?

Btw my phone sounds the best and has good volume sensitivity too. The IEMs really shine on my phone.

>>109905087
Impedance and sensitivity are two different things.
>Can u pls just recommend a good portable cheap DAC I can use on my laptop? Maybeeee one that also reduces the volume sensitivity if possible?
I did.

>>109905095
>Impedance and sensitivity are two different things
I know that, I said the Tea Pro has the same sensitivity and lesser impedance but still doesn't hiss.

>>109905095
and thanks for ur recs <3

EQ'd my planars with EQ Guide straight to the JM-1 target with -1dB tilt and +6dB bass boost. All the planar techs are still there.
Did the same with cheap 1DD - no dice. It's still techless and detail-deprived.
Conclusion: techs are stored in the Driver Quality.

>>109905100
If they're the same then either the numbers are bullshit(do you really trust chinks) or the other IEM has more treble so it's more audible.

>>109905042
So guyz, that IEM that's hissing is shittier than the other ones right? They all have about the same sens, it's not more sensitive than the other ones. WHAT A PILE OF ASSSSSSSSSSS

Have u guys experienced this where some IEMs might hiss on a source while others won't?

Btw it's not a huge hiss but it's def there and it fucking pisses me off. I can't help but focus on it. There always has to be something fucking wrong ffs.

>>109905125
Idk nigga. That IEM doesn't get quite as loud as the Tea Pro does for example. The Tea Pro seems more sensitivity with volume, but it still doesn't get that annoying slight hiss ;_;

>>109905123
You forgot to EQ the techs.
>>109869799

>>109905142
Kindly saar tell me how to EQ the techs. Do the needful and revert back.

>>109905129
lol IEMs hissing is a litmus test for your source. It means your source is bad.
Get a second had LG V20 and test, even the most sensitive KZ shit have no hiss.
>>109905137
Tea pros seem to have lower sensitivity since they are quieter at the same level compared to Tea 2.

>>109905156
Just use your ears bro.

>>109905162
He said his phone doesn't hiss, he needs something for his laptop.

>>109905170
That I did. Regardless, can't win against material physics and kinetics. I also don't do drugs to make myself believe that techs magically appeared.

>>109905194
>That I did.
When? You made two EQs by eye lol.

>>109905223
After I made them by eye.

>>109905276
>uses his ears to make them sound different
>they sound different
Huh.

>>109905306
That of course was not my intention, but the outcome of driver limitations. They sound exactly the same in terms of tonality, though - but techs are techs. They're inherent to a driver.

>>109905368
>same tonality but different techs
In-ear mics debunked this.

Why do they make modern IEMs so retardedly sensitive anyway? You're never ever going to get anywhere near max volume unless you want to go deaf. On Windows like the other anon said I have to keep my IEMs at like 4-8 out of a 100. Shit is stupid.

>>109905481
Back when portable sources had like 0.1V output voltage they switched to neodymium magnets to boost sensitivity, now we have 50 times more power but we're still stuck with those magnets.

>>109905062
fuck that, there are dongles with volume rockers. TRN Black Pearl is likely the dongle you need.
Don't get one of those impotent, no volume having bitch made dongles.

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>>109905565
its on the way my nigga
TODAY EVEN
based amazon

>>109905946
Can't wait to hear what me IEMs sound like with a proper DAC :D

I do have a Fiio K11 which I used for my FT1 headphones but it's in another country rn.

>>109905946
good!

right, so, you know how techs is in the faceplate?
well, do i have a surprise for you guys (in two weeks).

>>109904522
>Crosstalk above average, couldn't make it play anything audible through the other channel.
So apparently kt0231h is fully balanced so that makes sense. There's a dongle based on it and it's 4.4 only.

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>>109906978

>>109905194
>can't win against material physics and kinetics
you really can't
and they tell you that $20 1DD driver does everything needed to have the best sound]
>I also don't do drugs to make myself believe that techs magically appeared
you don't even know what techs are and blindly believe that they magically appear with price

>>109907560
But can you win against moveable points?

>>109907590
LLM appendage can't

>>109907684
>>109907590
samefag replying to herself

>>109907590
>>109907684
>>109908240
samefag replying to herself

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>>109893106
Are these shit?
How do you kids use these buds in your ears all day without pain or getting a fucking swamp in your ear canal?
I guess I do need to buy some new over ear cans, the old ones died.

i think i've done it. my EDC Pro and my friend's Fugaku sound pretty much indistinguishable now, but without the attached amp and cable bloat. massive bass with incredible grip and slam. hardest hitting IEM i've ever heard, probably even more than fugaku. this shouldn't be possible. it's like maxing out strength and agility stats at the same time, with sublime dynamics. extreme separation. notes feel grand.
i'm stunned. i want to thank /iemg/ for getting me into eq. i'll repay the favor by doing what i can to accelerate things. taking this to the NYC meet next month to get the ball rolling.

>>109908281
>Are these shit?
yes
>How do you kids use these buds in your ears all day without pain or getting a fucking swamp in your ear canal?
good fitting IEM with good eartips

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>>109908279
idiot

>>109908281
get EDC Pro instead, minimum-phase device endgame

>>109908396
>EDC Pro
>extreme separation
>Fugaku sound pretty much indistinguishable now
if foxzo believes you, you aced the test with flying colors.

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>>109908489
so what are we going to do about this conundrum? idiot

>>109908555
the fuck are you even on about? think before you type

huh he's actually this retarded

>>109908601
you dumb dipshit, you think you're cookin but you're embarrassing yourself

>EQ'd my S12 Pro to match Storm from 20hz to 4khz,
>smoothed the treble peaks using tone generator and sine sweeps.
Yeah, that's endgame for me

>>109908789
I bet the techs match 1:1 too. right on

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>>109908789
>same thing as EQing to Harman IE 2019 and adjusting ear gain to taste
Science works, folks.

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Ooh I almost want to buy this POS gimmick to use as a desktop CD player. I just know I'll almost never use it. and it's a wasteful purchase, even if the price isn't too high. Maybe on a black friday sale.

>>109908894
>sucks at measuring on a $30K rig
>"look at the channel imbalance guys!"

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>>109908924
>all his IEMs have perfect matching
>"yeah, clearly a scam company charging 10k for an iem that costs $100 to make would care about QC"

or we could just EQ shitbuds to Storm and say we have Storm's technicalities

>>109908685
elaborate

>>109909412
my balls are bigger than yours. what else is there to say??

if you ever wondered what is it like to communicate with a low IQ individual here's the prime example

>>109908894
that's a sheisty pinna gain

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FUCK

Redpill me on the HyperX Cloud III S
They are 100bux rn

How do you guys deal with the artificial, plastic timbre of BAs paired with micro planars in tribrid sets?

>>109911004
Upgrade to 1DD

I really really like my moondrop pudding

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>>109906771
You better not fumble it like the black faceplate anon.

>>109911004
EQ

>>109908992
Why even EQ to other IEMs when all physically existing IEMs have issues.

>>109912420
Why even use IEMs in the first place when they're so flawed, right?

>>109912433
Because everything else is more flawed duh.

>>109912467
That is officially the most logical thing I’ve heard all day.

>>109908281
>>109908495
yeah if you HAVE TO go with KZ crap then at least make it be EDC Pro

Should I buy fish9 que?

>>109893106
>1DD
LOL?

>>109912723
Let me guess.

>>109912853
Once you go hybrid, you can never go back.

>>109912922
Only forward >>109895329

>>109912943
What is this about this IEM that makes people learn how to be EQ Gods just to stop using it.

>>109912922
a fine way of saying u became gay

Why do companies keep wasting time making hybrids/tribrids when a 1DD effortlessly handles the whole frequency range anyway?

>>109913184
because they like when retards spend thousands bucks on fancy shit

>>109913184
TWS companies don't waste their time on hybrids precisely because of that. And for better phase accuracy for ANC.

>>109913189
Is buying translucent plastic slop from tangzu or tanjim somehow better?

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are these good? ATH-CKS50TW2

9 days until TOTL brands expire

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>>109913202
>TWS hybrids
Soundpeats makes those.

>>109913372
Why do you think this epz is going to be so good?

>>109893106
>moondrop Gravity
ETA? cause im sure its gonna be a while before they release the truthear pure white version

whats the meta tws with eq

>>109914039
Pudding

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Final Audio E500 came in from Japan. For a $20 set, these are damn good.

The first thing that stood out was the comfort. This is by far the most comfortable iem or headphones that I own. After getting my skull dented by HD6XX and my canals stretched by my Novas, these disappear in my ear. Cables are microphonic, so I just wrap it over my ear like all my other IEMs. Comes with 5 pairs of Final Audio E tips, best tips for my money.

The sound signature out the box is exceedingly smooth and warm and expansive at medium volumes. Holy damn these sound soft and pillowy. Zero harshness, even on the busiest and sharpest tracks, but compromise is severe lack of detail, treble heads won't like it. The bass is not hard or thumping, rather a soft enveloping push, sub bass same story, no rumble, just enough to be there, but I'm not complaining since it complements the warm and relaxed signature.

These sound pretty bad with contemporary, edm, pop, it's just not enough detail or clarity to make them sound good. But paired with lo fi, old school hip hop, motown, jazz, blues, classical music, anything that isn't busy or energetic, is a perfect match holy shit. For these genres these $20 E500 beats my HD6XX without EQ. Also a lot of IEMs are horrible for listening to podcasts or on calls as they feel too shouty for me, while these are perfect. If only these had a mic it'd replace my apple earbuds permanently. 5/5 recommend.

>finaru odios cheapest IEMs are also the most neutral
what did the nips mean by this?

>>109914964
Yeah they sound good. Some things hold them back though. QC is awful on these sets. Almost all measured units have channel imbalance. Non-detachable cable - one wrong tug and probably gets rekted.

>>109915327
They wanted to say that audio is solved and that in higher budgets you're paying for colorations, not for quality.

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>search for the most expensive IEM in the world
>got this 5/10 design thing
>taht would be 10, 000$

>>109915624
Fugaku costs more.

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>>109915637
>28,000$ for this ugly shit
is being ugly mandatory when you sell pricey item?

>>109915624
Holy autismos, imagine spending 10k on a pos that very likely gets mogged by a typical sub $100 FOTM /iemg/ pos. Or maybe even by a random wild KZ encounter.

>>109915852
Why do you like that pos...

>>109915390
That is so insightful and makes perfect sense..

>>109914964
The problem with bullets is they slide out when you walk.

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Let me guess, you need more?

>>109916245
oh thats the one I have too. we're blackpearl friend, anoni :3

>>109916245
No thank you, I'm fine with my Dawn Pro (which is, really, basically the same thing on the inside)

>>109915349
Yeah these are flimsy. Compared to these, the chu 2 is a tank. Going to use them outside anyway, fingers crossed. Also wouldn't mind getting a new pair once in a while, if only it didn't take a whole week to ship here

>>109916239
I use them like iems with the cord over my ear, no problems

>>109916239
inferior physiology issue

>>109905946
Pls don't forget that you'll get the best results with setting your device to 100% volume and then regulating the actual volume with your DAC

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>>109893106
>Budget
150-200 euro
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
music, from my phone, though i plan on getting a DAC too. I'd like to listen both on the go and at home, long sessions
>Frequency response preference and music examples
something balanced, very aggressive high tones hurt me. but I don't want bass to overwhelm the details either
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
I've never used in-ear anything before because earbuds typically fall out of my ears immediately. something smaller/more comfortable in my budget range would be ideal. I currently use Sony wh-1000xm4 and they serve me well, before that i just had some JBLs.

I am very new to the topic of IEMs and audio in general. Been reading a little, but the sheer amount of options is overwhelming, haha...

>>109916613
>150-200 euro
Too much, you don't need to spend this much. Value your hard earned money more.
You don't need to spend more than 50 euro on iem and 10 euro on a dac (+ eventually eurocuck taxes)

>>109912685
yes, blind buy it and feel the rush

>>109916245
i need less (an apple dongle)

>>109905946
>>109916473
to add to that, if using EQ, set negative pregain accordingly.

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These came in the mail yesterday. I shouldn't have hesitated to boughted them, they sound stellar.

>>109917277
enjoy the open-back sound anon

>>109917277
enjoy your Daybreak, anon

>>109917277
P50 is pretty good indeed

>>109917277
Based

I know this isn't exactly what the general is for, but does anyone have a recommendation for a small tabletop radio with line-in support? Rechargeable battery powered preferably, though I'm going to just keep it plugged in most of the time.

Has anyone gone analog like that? I'm trying to diversify my music tastes, and get off of youtube more. Spotify has too many ads, and I've never used it before, so I'm not sure how to get it to make a shuffled station for me.

>>109917277
>P50
Mid

>>109916613
Truthear Pure might be up your alley, reviewers say balanced tuning with relaxed treble. Truthear Hexa has less bass, might be a bit too recessed. Nightfall is somewhat balanced and is allegedly more comfy than the Pure or Hexa. If you never used IEMs before you might want to think about comfort and fit factor versus headphones, having something deeper in ear with over ear. The safe recommendation for headphones at that price is still HD6XX.

>>109916613
If you want long session listening probably letshouer s08, especially if you like your own sony TWS. You want third party eartips though. Can just grab $20 DAC like CD-2 or blackpearl.

>>109918418
>letshouer s08
doesn't that have paint peeling issues?

>>109918503
I haven't encounter it personally. Also, grab some iem with faceplate anime like CVJ if you're looking for aesthetics.

>>109918508
no thanks.

It should be obligatory to prefix pos impression with your hearing range. Deafzos are physiological unable to perceive techs and default their impressions to tonality alone.
It's a fucking irony that most people who are able to purachse best and most expensive gear can't utilize and fully appreciate it.

>>109913184
Because good dd implementation sounds worse than good multi driver implementation. Simple as.

>>109919507
>Deafzos are physiological unable to perceive.
When they can't notice the imaging differences between their gear, it's fun to watch them spiral into denialism. It's as if their experience or lack thereof is the only truth and applies to everybody else equally.

>>109919507
>>109919590
Completely the other way around, it's the deafest people that care about the techs the most.

>>109919655
The most deaf "need" EQ. It doesn't take any amount of deafness to appreciate techs.

>>109919690
The most deaf are completely allergic to EQ because they think it destroys techs.

>>109919690
Funny thing. I'm personally gear purist but after doing few small scale experiments with older people and then with EQ to match their hearing (12khz cutoff) I'm slowly warming up to the idea of equing when my hearing gets a hit. Muting that higher frequencies makes most of the stuff sound very similar (heading to lowest common denominator).

>>109919696
>unironically admitting EQ is separate from techs.
what are you nerds even talking about?

>>109919770
Some techs are, some techs aren't. There's a huge component of hallucination to audio which is how audio pebble companies survive. If you see something has changed then you will hear something has changed. That's why blind tests exist.

>>109919782
An FR graph doesn't tell you anything about audio besides the amount of coloration influencing it.

>>109919791
Objectively wrong. Your outer ear literally exists to modify the FR depending on the direction.

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>>109919761
forgot pic

>>109919797
You don't need your outer ear for IEMs

>>109919812
IEMs need to reconstruct the effect of your outer ears to sound properly. And of the ear canal too, since sealing it doubles its fundamental resonance frequency.

>>109919815
Objectively wrong

>>109919818
You're supposed to have an argument after that. Buy you know you don't have an argument.

>>109919820
my argument is >>109919791
simple as. a controlled environment sine wave being measured in an IEM is not comparable to real audio being played.

>>109919828
IEMs don't modify real audio beyond changing its spectrum and adding distortion(if you bought dogshit).

>>109919828
nta but my 5 cents. Since I started doing sine sweeps wit pos in ear I can't take measurements seriously as a source of truth. Run sweep- there is some inbalance or lack of seal I didn't notice, rerun- dips and peaks and balance changes, chane tips- another change, push or pull pos 1mm: another change. But yeah, "averaged graph from god know what amount of sweeps, tops, inserion depths, unit variants is be all end all" lmao. You eiter personally like something or don't.

>>109919848
>averaged graph
Nobody does that. FR at the eardrum is not the same thing as FR at the coupler but it's still FR and still can be EQd.

>>109919833
>IEMs don't modify real audio beyond changing its spectrum.
you're agreeing with me >>109919791
FR is only showing a particular flavor influencing the audio.
can we stop talking in circles now that we agree

>>109919857
Please teach me what and how to eq when the same pos with eiter different inserion depth (I'm talking just 1-2mm change, not changing tip size andgoing shallow deep) or eartip nozzle make me perceive top hats either natural or metallic, artificial and compressed. And how to adjust my expectations when purchasing new pos based on graphs. I'm asking seriously because I either lack of skillor it's impossible todo outide of big approximation of tonality alone.

>>109919865
This is an IEM thread. With IEMs FR is all there's to audio. If you wanted to argue about things IEMs don't do you should have done that in /dmp/

>>109919889
You learn how to get a consistent insertion depth and EQ based off that. For me the shallowest depth is the easiest to achieve, any shallower and it falls out. It's not like this matters only for EQ, non-EQd IEMs suffer from this too lol.
>purchasing new pos based on graphs
Rookie mistake, you purchase based on the shape and looks.

>>109919891
Nobody is arguing but I accept your concession.

>>109913589
nvm they are up, question is are they the same size as the chu 3's or the Lan 2's? cause the chu 3's didnt fit in my ears very well

>>109919966
>chu 3's didnt fit in my ears very well
sorry to hear that. they seem very promising, tuning-wise

>>109920027
yeah I actually liked how they sounded but even with brand new tips they would not sit in my ears properly

8 days until TOTL brands become insolvent

Is TRVTHEAR PVRE the most TRVDVTIVNVL pos on the market today?

>>109919905
>Nobody is arguing
>my argument is >>109919791
Ok retard lol.

>>109919806
>toneboosters
never tried their EQ but they made really good vst plugins for music production, their old plugin Isone was basically magic, it simulated the treated room on headphones using HRTF, still using it to this day to make music on pos

>>109920643
I have a Pure, it's alright but I kinda like my Artti T10 more.

>>109920643
what does pos mean in these threads?
im guessing its not piece of shit

>>109921303
It's perseverance of sound

>>109921303
passion of sound, translated from chinese

>>109921303
Production of sound. This means IEMs are for studio use.

>>109921303
>what does pos mean im guessing its not piece of shit
That depends entirely on the person using it, sometimes it's obvious from context, but often you need to ask to elaborate if you really want to know.

>>109921303
Pagpag Obnoxiously Shilled.

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How shit are these kinds of L-shaped USB-C DACs ? I need an L-shaped one because otherwise it breaks.

>>109922398
Truthear KeyX.

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>>109922550
there's too much space between the phone and the thing, it will break

>>109921303
Pinnacle of Sound, in other words the Chu 2

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>>109901143
this is the state of these warriors kek
>replaced strap with a piece of belt
>soldered broken cables
>fixed them in place with tape

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>>109923398
ITS AAAALLIIIIIIVEEEEEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VkrUG3OrPc

I've been listening to the miku dap for a couple of weeks now. I like it.

this is my first dedicated portable media player since the ipod touch. the miku is feature-rich with things I didn't know I wanted. the parametric EQ is god-tier all by itself. just tweaking sub-bass a bit unlocks detail and texture in ways that are new to me. breddy gud lads.

>>109923793
>sub-bass
what IEMs are you using with the DAP

>>109923806
I don't have any IEMs right now, though I have had pretty good shures and etymotics iirc. I've been rotating through headphones. Mostly listening while at work so it has been mostly flipping between WH-1000XM3s and airpods max, with some home listening on wired cans.

Does a DAC normalize audio volume?
As in, would any headphones be as loud as others through the same DAC?

>>109924412
of course not, look at the sensitivity of your pos (or headpos) to determine how loud it'll be

>>109924418
But a DAC does change the loudness of headphones, right?
I bought the apple dongle just to try something, and it makes my headphones quieter on phone

>>109924434
The amp does.

>>109924434
>But a DAC does change the loudness of headphones, right?
if it has its own physical volume control, then yes, of course. otherwise you'll have to rely on source volume control, which isn't ideal.

>>109924462
if a DAC is 32-bit float and isn't hissy, it doesn't really matter

>>109924481
we were covering the sensitivity/output side of things. 32-bit float just gives the digital processing chain a lot of headroom. it doesn't increase the DAC's analog output.
The real issue is whether the source/DAC has enough output for the headphone, and whether the volume control gives you a usable range. sensitive IEMs can be harder to finly adjust volume because small volume steps can be large changes in SPL

let's be honest, hp.com needs to hire a pretty reviewer asap, it's been tough to watch them lately...

>>109924564
you have a valid point

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I think I really want this. I wonder if it's a waste of money though. I've never heard an electrostatic. I'm dying of curiosity.

>>109924434
Apple dongle and other dongles, despite commonly being called DACs, are actually DAC and amp combos. A pure DAC doesn't change headphone volume because it doesn't have headphone output. There are dongles with stronger amps that can drive headphones louder. Apple dongle also has a problem where it's quieter on phone than on PC because it starts not at full hardware volume and phones don't control hardware volume. Android 16 fixes this. Just get a different dongle. Apple dongle is mostly for IEMs.

>>109924939
>Apple dongle is mostly for IEMs
I am planning to buy some, how is it different for IEMs?

>>109925009
IEMs need less power and that's what you get.

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Help me lads I have some noob questions and AI probably sucks for this or does it telling me the truth that it barely wont make any difference between this dongles? I just want a small dongle that is good and have volume controls and yeah better than my HyperX. I might upgrade my IEMs later but now now.
I decided to buy a better DAC for my PC. I use Moondrop Starfield IEMs with my HyperX dongle

Moondrop Starfield specs
Driver: CNT carbon nanotube diaphragm 10mm double-cavity dynamic driver

Cable: 24AWG Litz 4N OFC

Cable jack: 0.78 2pin

Sensitivity: 122dB/Vrms (@1kHz)

Impedance: 32Ω ± 15% (@1kHz)

Frequency response range: 10Hz-36kHz (free field 1/4 inch MIC, -3dB)

Effective frequency response: 20Hz-20kHz (IEC60318-4)

>>109925254
well it is wrong about moondrop having a wheel but it's volume is 100 steps lol
it should be fine
other alternatives
>TRN Black Pearl
>BLON V1
>Fosi Audio DS2
>EYTSE HA03
all have the same dual CS43131 chip

>>109925512
Yeah I got that, adjusting volume in 100 steps is much better especially for IEMs. My problem is AI keep saying that sound wise it wont matter much which i cant fucking believe, because my IEMs doesn't need much drive to work properly or IEMs in general besides planar and a few others.
I might still buy it and I will check your options as well, I just need a small DAC with volume buttons and yeah who knows I might buy other IEMs later but it still boggles my mind that it will sound basically same as with my old shitty HyperX, but I guess it all makes sense

>>109925536
>My problem is AI keep saying that sound wise it wont matter much which i cant fucking believe
if hyperX amp is not transparent then it will matter
if it is it won't matter much indeed

>>109925554
Dammit yeah its transparent unless you use shitty 7.1 function which I don't
Having better volume control and more futureproof DAC might be still worth it? I might get one more pair of IEMs in future anyway
After looking at DACs you recommended what would you say is better between Moondrop Dawn Pro 2 and TRN Black Pearl
Moondrop looks more premium on pictures at least

Here is AI recommended IEMs for DAC
7HZ Timeless
Kiwi Ears Aether
Letshuoer S12 Ultra

And the best recommendation according to my taste although I am also unsure about that Letshuoer S08

>>109925691
>Having better volume control and more futureproof DAC might be still worth it?
I think like it won't matter much. Pick whatever has functions you want or looks you like.
HyperX might have worse noise floor with sensitive IEMs for example (tho I dunno)
>Here is AI recommended IEMs for DAC
Any IEM will be fine with these DACs.
What are your tastes?
Tho tastes is less of a problem than individual variation cause of anatomy...

>>109925807

Okay one more thing I realized since I am new to this
I would basically need to buy 5 more IEMs to know what type I truly like
Planar that is Warm- Neutral, Warm V and Neutral Shaped
I already own one dynamic that is Moondrop Starfield (Warm-Neutral) so I only need Warm V and Neutral

There is also Electrostatic but that shit is rare and expensive, as I understand there is no IEMs that are fully EST either so its more an over-ear thing

>>109925833
>I would basically need to buy 5 more IEMs to know what type I truly like
or you can use EQ

>>109925859
So if use EQ with my Starfield I will know approximately what I like more?
Its like 25 euro cheaper for TRN Black Pearl and Moondrop is plastic i thought it was aluminium it looked like it on the picture, so I might order TRN Black Pearl.

>>109925859
There is another thing I am sure it will sound different with Planar type of IEMs, so i will at least buy one more IEM that is Planar .

>>109925887
>So if use EQ with my Starfield I will know approximately what I like more?
that's the idea yes
From the looks of it starfield is tuned pretty well by default and pretty good choice for EQ.

>>109925919
IEM type doesn't matter. IEM of "other type" will have a different tuning and different fit which will result in a different sound
You obviously is free to do whatever you want.

>>109925926
I see ty, so I only need to get a pair Planar also then I am all set. Is Crinacle site good to check up? Or do you have any recommendations for a warm-neautral Planars the more the merrier.

>>109926020
>You obviously is free to do whatever you want.
Holy ESL..

>>109926030
>then I am all set
hmm I dunno about that
recommendations will depend on your budget but the best one is to try it before you buy it... otherwise it's a bit of a lottery

>>109926116
Around 100 euro. I will check Crinacle also.

>>109926020
>IEM type doesn't matter
yes it does

>"only FR matters"
wait for it...

>>109926243
no it doesn't

>>109926253
how did you come to this conclusion?

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Starfield bros, tots ?

>>109926116
I am back and thanks for all help in the end I bought FIIO Snowsky Melody Walnut. It was either FIIO or TRN Black Pearl. Reason i didnt buy Black Pearls is they changed some stuff without disclosing it, so it felt scummy and they are basically both pretty equal in terms of value.

>>109926408
testing it out myself

>>109926590
And you apparently heard no difference...Obviously you're deaf.
I have a better question- do you have at least 1 hybrid, 1 DD and 1 planar on hand right now?

>>109926243
proof?

>>109926622
hearing it myself because I own planars, hybrids and DDs and can discern their differences.
if you can't, that's a you problem

>>109926614
How does Hybrid work? So Planar takes care of what it does best and Dynamic does same? Shouldnt this be the best? Maybe i should buy hybrid instead of trying pure Planar? Best would be having all three i guess, but i cant afford more now.

>>109926636
what do you currently own? what is your "goal" in seeking a new IEM? what do you think you're missing from what you currently have that you may want "more" of?

>>109926644
I own Moondrop Starfield. I would like to see if I can hear any difference with Planar and yeah maybe Hybrid with similar profile as my Starfields. Then i want to use EQ and all three and change profiles and see what I like best, does it make sense?

>>109926614
i corrected their frequencies with autoeq and then the differences became so small i could not care less.

>>109926660
that's your personal conclusion and I don't see a need to sway you in any other direction. what you can't do, is assume that your experience is literally everybody else's.
I am curious though, what are these sets you tested and how long did you have these sets in your possession?

>>109926684
why would i anyone else's experience?
timeless, oxygen, oh10, and a few others

>>109926691
consider*

>>109926691
>timeless
mogged by current ultra cheap planars. specifically Artti T10 and KZ PRX
>oxygen
the way cheaper EA500LM trades blows with the oxygen
>oh10
mogged by CCA/KZ's best hybrid at half the price.

so what you're working with are outdated IEMs that can't really keep up with what's been released even in the past couple years. what you listed simply aren't sets that punch above their price in these times.

>>109926712
nowhere did you mention anything about date
what makes these outdated anyways?

>>109926648
>Moondrop Starfield
mogged by Simgot EA500LM by far.
You would hear a difference in current, decent planars as well as competent hybrids.
for value AND noticeable audible advantages look into Artti T10 for your planar, and for a hybrid.....what's your budget?

>>109926726
>what makes these outdated anyways?
good question. when those sets were released, they were competitive, for that time period. then the market moved on as other sets outclassed what your sets aimed for/accomplished, and onwards the competition went as the years went by.
if they punched above their price back then, they certainly don't now because manufacturing processes/tuning capabilities/mass production get better by the year. QC is a different story though lol

>>109926633
>has IEMs with different tunings
>hears the difference
no shit sherlock