Pos thickens editionHow to request advice:>Budget>Intended use (media, source, environment)>Frequency response preference and music examples>Past gear and your thoughts on themFAQ:>Where do I buy IEMs?Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):https://consoomer-guide.pages.dev/>/iemg/'s Journal:https://iemgazette.pages.dev/>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Papers, etc.):https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/>Measurements:https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/measurement-databases/>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35>Bullet IEMs:• Tanchjim Zero Ultima DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22• Sony IER-EX15C (Warm/Dark) - $30• Etymotic ER2XR (Towards Neutral) - $140>Flathead Earbuds:• NICEHCK Vido (Warm) - $5• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10>USB-C DACs:• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) - $18• TRN Black Pearl (10-Band PEQ) - $38• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110>PMPs:• HiBy R1 - $85• HiBy M300 - $200• TempoTec V1 - $110>AVOID USING:• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver posPrevious Thread: >>109893106
/iemg/ Dogma Check Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:>Crinacle is not your priest.Rankings are a guide, not divine scripture. Your ears > his spreadsheet.>Harman and JM-1 ≠perfect.It’s a preference curve, not a law of physics. Some genres need deviation.>Chi-Fi isn’t magic.Great value, yes. Immune to QC issues and hype cycles? Nope.>Graphs are not sound.They don’t show staging, dynamics, or fit. Use your ears, not just squigs.>BA ≠metallic, DD ≠perfect.Implementation matters more than driver type. Always has.>Meme sets aren’t the whole hobby.If it’s not shilled 24/7, it might still be good. It's highly encouraged to form an original opinion.>Disagreeing ≠cope or deaf.Let people like what they like without foaming at the mouth.>Loud posts =/= smart takes.Confidence without experience is just noise. Show graphs, impressions, or both.>Cognitive dissonance.When you're presented with a truth that threatens your entire perception of the world around you, your brain will simply refuse to process it.This has been your scheduled break from pos groupthink.
>>109927690Doesn't know what squig.link is btw.
>>109927694my go to fake 711 coupler charts bank so I might draw wrong conclusions regarding my future purchases.
>>109927717>doesn't know there's gras and 5128 measurements there too See.
>>109927717cope
>>109927690POS are just a vehicle to enjoy your music journey. All the arguments about fr, eq and other shit is like wasting time talking not even car vs bike vs train etc but one paint color over the other.Most of you fags don't even enjoy music and discovering new shit. Same 3 tracks on repeat to wank over eq.
i have not received new pos in a week. im having withdrawals.
>>109927682its kind of weird but the stores selling them right now dont have them listed as moondrop brand iem's. still I bought a pair and im hoping they are worth it
>>109927774depends, what's the volume of that specific cup? it could be a cup of water in a cup and a quarter volume 'cup'
>>109927774We only listen to real music https://youtu.be/Go9UMMFAMus
anyone tried JUZEAR Render Pro? Chinks finally made idea I once had. Ive read that foam is good for taking out lenght mode resonances and i was thinking why there is no silicon tips with foam inlay. Turns out someone made them
Music sounds so much better with neutral or even recessed bass and sub bass
>>109927897I have bad news.
>>109927897>neutral bright for that extra details and brilliance, with sub bass rolloffyeah, its peak
>>109927852>Chinks finally made idea I once had.your grammar is shit>why there are no silicone tips with foam inlay*ftfy ESL anon. and you have the nerve to be racist..
>>109927897have you always felt this way or has it coincided with certain medications?
oh shit bros. industry just got disrupted again.
bro
I need help. I'm looking for warm-neutral(?) IEMs in the $100-150+ range. I want be able to listen to music at high volume.I've had some experience with Aful Explorer, and overall they were not bad, but I felt they lacked higher frequencies. The Daybreak seems somewhat similar to what I'm looking for based on the graph, but from the reviews I've read, they may still a bit too sharp for me. The KE4 looks like an ideal option, but it's a bit too expensive.Are there any other options with a similar tuning to these within this price range?
>>109928154Eh probably Pvre.
>>109927897Yeah especially audiophile quality music sounds best with neutral headphones that have a flat frequency response instead of the typical modern Harman style elevated subbass that most of these iems have (or people EQ them to that) which sounds very unnatural and bloated in comparison. But these iems have elevated bass because they're cheap and people buying cheap iems don't really care much about fidelity (or are zoomers with a zoomer taste in music, they listen to EDM / anime music instead of audiophile music) so they tend to prefer boosted bass Harman style. Totally different game if you get into high end headphones and play well mastered audiophile music on vinyl or a good CD. It's what I ended up doing after all these years in the hobby and no regrets.
>>109928154Zero 2 lol
>>109928301>audiophile musicwhat the hell is even that?
>>109928325Consult the chart.
>>109928322no
>>109928340>listening exclusively to music that hides the flaws of headphones instead of fixing the headphones Many such cases.
>>109928154>they were not bad>they lacked higher frequenciespick one
>>109928340>Sean Olive ASR bullshit>unironically not a list of "best sounding audio"no thank you
>>109928340orchestral is pretty popular among audiophiles. And I would say it is one of the best music to hear the differences between gear.
>>109928301>just purchase shit that sounds good with 3% of available music that happens to be unimaginative boring ass slog only pretentious faggots listen touhm, no. also kys
>be young >like bass>get older>like bass even more
W>>>u>V>L>U>dogshit>neutralfeel free to disagree
>>109928467U is dogshit, what u get is sub bass rolloff even with minor eartip leak and u end up with bright trash. With larger bass shelf u will be left with enough midbass that u can cope with higher fq stuff
>>109928493Uhh, skill issue?
>>109928325And this is why you listen to iems.Anyway, it's music from the 70s and 80s that was made with very high standards. (Some 60s applies too, like jazz). Pretty much avoid everything made during / after the 1990's.
>>109928374i mean, cymbals for instance sounded pretty af - lush, full and all that, but they weren't present enough. And the tuning felt a bit too relaxed, though that was only really an issue for me with more aggressive music. Pop, instrumental, etc did sound fine. So it wasn't a major flaw by any means. I can see why people might like them, but i do believe i can find something more fitting for me
>>109928399It's not boring if you're an audiophile. I like music that sounds good, if the music sounds good it gives me pleasure and therefore I enjoy the music. When I was young I pretty much only listened to dubstep and similar EDM crap, then I became an audiophile after I got myself a good (but ever evolving) headphone system and I started to listen to good, real music that sounds good.
>>109928531How's it a good system if it makes 97% of music sound bad.
calling yourself an audioph*le unironically is equivalent of calling yourself an anime expert
7 days until TOTL brands croak
>Just listen to white noise broThey are right tho, if headpos can cope with wall of noise and not be tiring u can listen to everything and be really happy with that device.If you find yourself listening to mellower music (called audiophile music in some cases) not because you want to, not because it is your taste, but simply because more aggressive music is exhausting to listen to on your current headphones - that’s a sign something is wrong with them.That’s exactly what happened to me with a pair of chinkfiman Arya Stealth. Some stuff was way too agressive (problems with high fq peaks) for me, some stuff was not particularly engaging (problems with planar lack of low end punch) and I just went down and down that chart. Good headphones is good with everything (or at least as close to being good with everything as its possible), you don't need to rape your ears with death metal or pink noise but good headpos will provide better lubrication for that rape if u go that route.
>audiophile quality music sounds best with neutral headphones.>"No guys, you don't get it, my $2,000 reference setup sounds amazing, it just happens to make 97% of recorded human music sound like unlistenable trash."
>be an audiophile>only listen to "real music with high standards">get asked what that even means>panic and post a Sean Olive loudspeaker testing chart from an ASR thread>chart puts steely dan and literal pink noise at the top because they are good at masking hardware distortion.you don't like music, anon. you like graphs.
>play audioph*le grade reference jazz track>mixed to massive left right separation, unlistenable on earphones or headphonesI'm starting to understand what speakerfags meant but it's still bad mixing copim tactics, not being right
>>109928628How's this even possible to misread the thread this badly.
>>109928686>wanking over a speaker testing graph>"y-you just misread it bro!"The backpedaling is glorious. Go back to listening to your well-mixed pink noise, anon.
If we really wanted to be big brain about audiophile music, we'd be flingin around spectrograms of songs and judging what music looks the best lol
>>109928699You misread everything bro, not just the graph. Starting with who said what.
>>109928609I just matched my speakers and this by itself made Burzum sound good. I wasn't testing with it. By I do EQ my speakers to have 2dB less treble than Harman by taste.
>>109928758>doesn't know what a shitpost is>gets butthurt about losing control of the narrativemany such cases
>>109928779>I was merely pretending to be retarded
>>109928785the shitpost understands you better than you understand the shitpost. that's neat.
>>109928737Turn that frown upside down.
>>109928795Bro didn't even understand that the chart wasn't posted by the audiophile music guy.
>>109928807You couldn't even sight read an ode to monkeys fucking a coconut if you tried.
>>109928539It's a good system precisely because it shows you exactly what's in the recording. Extremely revealing and thus demanding of the best source material. If 97% of the music sounds bad, the issue is the music sounding bad, but the system is doing its job at showing you with high accuracy exactly everything that's on there.Some of my own personal tastes include music that sounds like shit, so I listen to those when I'm at work or in the car, where I just have shit like airpods pro 3 or car speakers. Or even highly masking headphones like KSC75. But most of the time I look for music that sounds good, because it's extremely pleasurable on a high end system.
>>109928565I also consider myself an anime expert besides an audiophile, what's the issue? I've watched a big amount of top tier anime in my life, and I'm constantly giving recs to people cause I know a lot about it. I do the same with cinema.
>>109928659Music sounded way bigger when mixing engineers used tons of left and right panning. Now it's all mostly in the middle, pseudo-mono sounding boring garbage and with extreme compression to boot.Back in the day music used the entire stereo field in a way it could create a massive 3D-like effect on good headphones, and that's one of the traits of audiophile music.Yes I know you can make tons of swirly funny hehe effects with EDM music, but I'm talking about real music made with real instruments and as unprocessed as possible.
>>109928890How do you know it's revealing problems and not creating them? Objectively we know headphones have terrible treble. As in general, not as an exception. This may produce interesting effects but it's not accurate.
>>109928994It's revealing everything that's on the recording with extreme detail. Any minimal clipping, distortion, tape dropout etc you'll hear it. It also lets you know when music is highly compressed because it sounds like ear rape and dynamics are gone. Those issues get masked with lesser headphones, so they're more suitable if you listen to crappy modern music. Like I said earlier I got some shitty airpods pro 3 that I use at work for all my non-audiophile music because pretty much everything sounds "good" there. But there's few experiences like listening to really good sounding music on a top tier setup with extreme detail. It gives you goosebumps, it gives you chicken skin, it can even make you cry.
>>109929049Again, how do you know it's revealing them, not creating them. You do know that airpods have lower distortion than most headphones, right?
>>109929113It's in the recording anon. Do you not check or analyze your digital music music files? The waveform, LUFS value, peaks / clipping, DR score, spectrogram and all that?
>>109929113Oh and as for the airpods, yeah I guess they have low distortion but they're still cheap shitty iems you know? With their characteristic low definition, extra bass sound. They're listenable and they mask issues, so they work well for pretty much all music that can be found in streaming services. Doesn't make them audiophile tier though. To me, even though I paid 299€ (their msrp) I'd say in terms of sound quality they still absolutely lose against a simple 30€ KSC75. You just can't use KSC75 at work. Or in public transport. Or on a plane. Or without cables... So that's where the real cost of the airpods is "justified". Definitely not sound.
>>109928893You can add Professional Pretentious Faggot on top of that. You seem to get all the required credentials from the same place.
>>109929222Waveform is not the entire picture, there are valid waveforms that go above maximum sample value in between the samples, a bad DAC will clip them, a good DAC won't.>>109929243Just add the ear rape treble of ksc75 to airpods and "enjoy" your music.
>>109927897The result of HRT, everyone!
Thoughts on cable straps?
>>109927897It really does. Not sure why /iemg/ is so mindbroken about it.
>be audiophile>only listen to japanese porn asmr
Mandatory
I, of course, am a highly trained listener. You, of course, are not.
>>109927897What music? Album, track?
>>109929450More useless than shirt clips.
Thoughts on Moondrop UCTS? Are they really sound THAT bad for OWS? I heard they're literally moondrop pills, but with some bass boost.
I train listeners, they're my cuck slaves, they are well trained
>>109929487Who is this guy on screen?
>>109929739John headphone show
>>109930021Ok, never seen him tho. I must prepare similar graphic with beyerdynamics dt990.
>>109927774Nah, that's clearly "lean"/wock
>>109930045Mad_economist, he used to stream with them. Now he's employed or something.
im tired of trying to use my HD598s in bed. i want to be able to listen to podcast and go sleepy but i have to put one earmuff on my forehead and have the headphones cocked sideways, it's retarded.could i reasonably lay in bed on my side with earbuds in or is it going to be uncomfortable? quality doesn't have to be phenomenal, it's just for sleepy time listening (and then removing whenever i eventually start to strangle myself with the cable because i rolled around)
>>109930266You need some small IEMs like moondrop lan or flatheads.
Yeah, I'm just gonna use my Sony WF-1000XM6s; forget dealing with wires and simply press a palm on one ear for transparency -- they never need to leave your ears while you're out and about, and you can perfectly control how much of the outside world you want reaching your ears (they can also do it for you, automatically, at three different sensitivity settings).
>>109930278Too big to be laying with them on your side. You can try tho.
>>109930276flatheads hurt my sensitive baby ears. i hoped some anons in the thread have the same brain disease i have. my gf refuses to tolerate me playing shit from my speakers at 2 am, which is reasonable, i think. but today i woke up to a broken cable on my sennheisers because they fell off my bed while i was asleep.>>109930295not me, anon :(
>>109929284I don't know why you're so aggressive when I simply stated I'm knowledgeable in those topics.
>>109930295>>109930336Not him, but I can confirm that they are quite big, and comfort is a bit of an issue even when not trying to wear them in bed. (I had to get aftermarket tips, as well.)That being said, the geometry is quite smooth. Perhaps with a very soft fluffy pillow they would be fine.
>>109929292>Waveform is not the entire pictureNo, but over time I learned that if the waveform isn't small, neat looking and completely devoid of clipping / normalization, then you're probably not listening to audiophile music. And you can hear all those flaws that the waveform shows.>>109929292>Just add the ear rape treble of ksc75 to airpods and "enjoy" your music.I don't hear any "ear rape treble" on my ksc75, at least not since I started using them with a good traditional amp and not a shit dongle. They're way ahead of the airpods pro 3 in pretty much every single aspect. It isn't just "more treble". By the way let's not forget when the airpods pro 3 came out people were saying it had ear rape treble too.
>>109930369honestly, i only use one ear with my headphones anyway, so it's probably a non-issue. i don't need both of them to get the effect.it's probably a pipe dream to get iems that are actually comfortable to lay on. so maybe i should instead ask about cheaper but still reasonably robust iems, so i don't get so upset about fucking up a 150$ pair while asleep.i've never bought any iems, for context. this is just the thing that is convincing me to pull the trigger so my nice sennheiser cans don't get any more fucked up.
>>109928052if it has the same shitty fit as og kunten, then no thanks
>>109930266i had these years ago and they worked fine https://www.sleepphones.com/
>>109929452Most likely cause they're young people with young people tastes, while older people already have jobs which allows them to buy better gear (headphones, proper amps etc) so they don't have to be using budget iems with cope EQ profiles anymore. Also with age tends to come better music taste, so having big bloaty bass on nice music puts adult people off. There's always some exceptions of course... Just like how some 50 year olds still go to the cinema to watch Fast and Furious.
>>109928340>jazz trioI got to see Joscho and friends liveunfuckingforgettable
>>109930510you're talking to zoomers who eq'ed the bass out of anime iems btw
>>109930372>I don't hearMany such cases. It's almost 10dB above average at 5kHz. And I personally need below average. Your miracle amp probably EQd your ear, not your headphones.
none of you have ever experienced true bass
>>109930759
>>109930834zamn imagine the bass...
are these good?
>>109929515Correct. Shirt clips are useful.
>>109928154TRVTHEAR PVRE
>>109930355What credentials you have to back our anime expertise, mr Anime Expert? List of completed mature anime for mature viewers like yourself?
>>109931096>twsno
Does the style of IEMs (bullet or around ear) depend on the cable or the IEMs themselves?
7H timeless vs 7h timeless 2? How good are they which should I go for are there any good hybrids for same price or should i go for timeless? I own a pair of moondrop starfield now, so I want to buy planar or hybrids to try.
>>109932857KZ PRX. I already told you this
>>109932988>I already told you this
>>109932846All bullet iems can be worn around ear, but most around ear ones cannot be worn bullet style, due to the shell design and placement of the connection. For example shells contoured to sit flush against your ear cannot be manipulated to be worn bullet style without signififcant discomfort. I've been thinking of getting a tinhifi c0 which is one of the rare ones that can be worn bullet style with the right cable since bullets are always more comfortable.
>>109932988Maybe you did, they seem to be very budget friendly. For now i will wait for my FIIO Melody DAC and there should be sales in november so I will prob buy a new pair around that time. Ty
>>109933333Wasted quints.
>>109932857You can get epz p40 so you can pretend you have planars without any negative consequences of full-range planars.
>>109933420>negative consequences of full-range planarsnta, but like what?
>>109933480Peaky treble, bad channel balance and distortion.
>>109933501Btw this is what planar sound is because when you get a planar without those things it sounds like DD.
>>109933501>distortionplanars are known for low distortion>peaky treblenot all planars behave this way- you know that. also, why bitch about something EQ solves anyway? lol
>new meta>new shellwhat more do you want... ?
>>109933674"Known for" and "in reality" are two different things. Most planars merely leech off the reputation of audeze.
>>109932988Never buy this garbage btw. >>109933420If only they tilted this so it had more bass and less treble this would be de facto recc under $500 probably lowk. But it's so bright and harsh even bright pos enjoying boomers think it's too much.
>>109933712Aint no way it actually graphs like that in the treble with 2dd
>>109933880>this garbagenice bait, but eat a dick
>>109933904they are learning to use dampers
>>109933712Fox.
>>109934307>Never buy this garbage btw.
>>109930395Try Intime Sora Light if you can, they are smol and comfy
the last time i had any "in ear" headphones was the ones that came with the ipod.my gym headphones have finally shitted out. do the chinese make iems that are able to hold up to sweaty american ears? i don't want to splash out a ton of dinero on a pair of beater gym iems but this is also probably a good excuse to check them out.any recs? (i cannot read the OP its too confusing)
so, like, remember how techs is in the faceplate?yeah. literally, techs is in the faceplate.
Price aside, TRN Black Pearl or Qudelix 5K?Currently using>Samsung A23 + Jcally J6 Pro + Final Audio E500 + wavelet (autoEQ)>Laptop + Jcally J6 Pro + Final Audio E500/Avara Neo+ (a blind buy, cheapest IEM with high degree of customisation that I can find) paired with NiceHCK SnowCar 3.5mm/Sound Warrior SW-HP10s + Peace EQ/no EQPicrel is fr graph of avara neo+ that I found online
>>109935377Black Pearl
now that iOS has system-wide PEQ (https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/effectdeck/id6812467517) what's your excuse, androidfags?
ok, i kinda like the aesthetics of this
>>109933712looks like cinemamoondrop I kneel
>>109935383Why?
I like the Tanchjim Bunny DSP. Will I lile the Truthear Hexa? Is it as good as the price difference?
>>109935377i bought dawn pro 2 instead of trn and im pretty happy. I dont think there is much difference between them, as long as u can store EQ profiles on device itself it should be goo to go
>>109933712It's not real Starfield if paint won't chip.
>>109935651if you're ever going to use balanced, you'll want to use 4.4mm over flimsy ass 2.5mm
>>109935859>Is it as good as the price difference?Hexa is not 4-5x better sounding than Bunny DSP. You won't notice Hexa as being a couple tiers higher in technicalities that would sound like a night and day difference between the two. Bunny DSP has better EQ flexibility anyway
You'll also want to use Pentaconn.
>>109927682my guess is that you all are getting literally topped by advertisers, and I'm glad that's happening, for troonifying literal headphonesS.
>>109936333troon trips. makes sense.
this IEM already won the thread, so what are you even talking about anymore?
Looking to upgrade from 7hz sonus, any recommendations? I'm currently considering juzear nebula or simgot supermix 4
enters your ear canal
>>109936587dont like them, if anything that boxy shape don't enter my ear canal deep enough to make reliable seal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyGRTE3UaS4
6 days until TOTL brands come apart
>>109936587Scary.
metal reinforced Pentaconn vs weird lgbt tips the choice is yours
>>109933712so what is this compared to in terms of audio quality? cause at $250+ I feel like anything under $100 seems like a better option even though its moondrop
>>109935377Neither rn because Q5K has 2nd gen iteration coming out very soon and then that one will mog everything on the market. Of course don't listen to the shills here, Q5K has Bluetooth so it's a completely different product and more useful than just a bulky dac. Wait for new one and then just get that then you have portable EQ thing ez
>>109937260NTA, how will the updated Q5K be any better?
>>109937435Lots of ways.
>Of course don't listen to the shills here>But get this productwhat
>spend €150 on headpos pads just for it all to be trumped by $20 teargates
>>109937699Telling someone to buy product you own vs telling someone to buy an objectively better product that is not even out yet are a little different maybe?
>>109935502What pos and what dac are these
New Bose pos.
>>109936293Thanks. I went from cheap gaming headsets to Tanchjim Bunny and that difference was like a 9/10. Using that scale, how big would a Hexa "upgrade" from Bunny be?Should I save up for Daybreak instead? But I honestly don't really want to spend sub 200 usd on iems as a poorfag.
>>109938477nta, but I'd always recommend trying before buyingif you can't do that, better learn to read and compare graphs
>>109937260>>109937457Well, I just take a look at the post on their web and it looks alright, although I prefer the mini size of 1st gen. I would rather them keep the aluminium clip for the 2nd gen instead of the rgb and screen. Those two less important features are gonna make it more expensive. With how the current trend is, I'm not having too much expectation on newer stuffs, so I'll see how it goes.
Should I order cunt iem
>>109938594I like a fairly neutral-bright signature. I'm mainly asking about the things the graph can't show, like imaging, soundstage, and overall clarity.
>>109938646Kunten? Probably already stealth revised.
>>109938151no ai generated anime girl no purchaseezpz
bros, can you try to visit the infiter store on aliexpress?https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1103205749i wanna get some more of their not sedna crystal tips and i get 404'd with everything in their store. why'd they block me?
>>109932794whats tws?
>>109933712theyre beautiful, I need them
For a sub $100 neutral IEMs, are the truthear hexa still good enough? Or should I go for the truthear pure?
>>109940022Hexa if over 30.Pure if under.
My headphones broke so I think I'm going to finally order IEMs. Always liked how cool they look.I listen to classical music only and my only other usecase is watching anime. What's a good poorfag option?
Just found my old Moondrop SSPs. They're so tiny.
>>109940191>I listen to classical music only>What's a good poorfag option?any iem is likely to be a step up in imaging and sq from what you are used to, so you are probably going to want to focus on soundstage and, as a newfag, something with a lot of different tips to try.I'd actually steer you towards flathead earbuds
>>109940191recs are in the OP, more recs in the consoomer linkprob look up quick what all the signatures fit best? prob bunny dsp is good for poorfagsame boat tho, i had lost my airpods pro 1 and i have koss ksc75 but they bleed at work.i bought tangzu waner sg 2 red lion myself because i never had bass-focused headphones.finally moved away from spotifag to local files so this is a neat hobby lol. + i love anime girlsplanning on truthear pure in a few months or after listening more
>>109939369it seems i'm also banned
Kiwi Ears Quintet vs 7Hz Timeless 2I will use FIIO Snowsky Melody and this IEMs will be only used for PC most of the time.Quintet is quabrid so its both DD BA and Planar?Any other suggestions are welcome
>buy iems after a long hiatus>hey these sound breddy gud!>oh but the tips suck>oh and all of my other tips suck>oh and the cable sucks>oh and having a cable sucks>go back to wireless anc full-size cansthe circle of life
Should I buy fish iem when I get payed tomorrow?
>>109940874you should
>>109938046you just don't know what moving the goalposts are, copey McCope.
>>109938477You might want to try, like the other anon said. If you can buy first and just return shortly after testing them, do that. Daybreak is a pretty good choice, btw. That would be a major upgrade over Hexa by far- something you would notice if you tested both out. But Hexa vs. Bunny DSP would just be about what tonality you like more. Daybreak might be the set you'll not want to upgrade from for at least a few years, but at least you'll know it's the best out of those three choices.
any anon with the protocol micro who can confirm that this thing has an audible noise floor?
>>109941313Other than this one >>109817997 ?
>>109942064thanks, I didn't see it. Eh... I've seen 2 people report the same. I'mma skip it.
Looking to upgrade from my kiwi ears cadenza, whats the best sub 100 dollars IV-Shaped IEMS?Im between the Simgots EW300 and the Juzear x Z Defiant, you guys recommend one of those two? Or any other?
>>109942564Simgot EA500LM
>>109941123So it might be better then to just save up longer huh. Unless you have a recommendation at the sub 100 category that's similar to Bunny's sound profile?
>>109943083If you're ready to buy and you're looking for similar tuning to Bunny but still an upgrade, Kefine Klean. Definitely.
A few days after I got my E500 the price went up from 20 to 34 dollars on amazon. Wtf is this shit. I was thinking of stocking up on another pair and gifting one.
>>109940644From looking at graphs, the quintet is smoother than the Timeless 2 in upper mids while graphing the same elsewhere. Haven't heard either but I hate shouty iems and Timeless 2 has that 2k bump whereas the quintet doesn't so probably the quintet.
>>109940191waner 2 for sound quality and for classical music, but no anime waifus on the box unfortunately. you'll have to look to tanchjim or moondrop or truthear budget iems for that
bro didnt even mention the peak budget animu waifu queens (male), CVJ
>>109940615weird. i'll try again when the next sale starts, some shops do that delist everything til a sale thing.i was able to put the tips in my cart yesterday, so thought it was weird.
>>109938046>no no no. i swear that my dt 990 are pleasure to listen to and not hurting my eardrums at allmany such cases
What's the cheapest dac with ess sabre and 4.4mm output? Preferably under 100 USD
>>109944610Nicehck octave
>>109927682>Sony IER-EX15CAre these good? I hardly see anyone mention these in the archives.
>>109944973Probably not. Bullets aren't super popular.
>>109944610>>109944646>Nicehck octavethat's $90. >Fosi DS2has an ESS Sabre chip as well as 4.4mm balanced out and costs around $50
I am coming from regular plug earphones, I stopped using any of those since my ears were hurting after 1 hour and my session can be up to 3 hours long, will it be the same with a nicer pair of IEMs or will my ears hurt from those as well
>>109945167DS2 switched to cirrus 2 years ago.
>>109945209You can still buy the ESS version.
>>109945239I can't find 2023 version/ess version on saleWhat about Fosi DS1?
>>109945190what's the discomfort you're experiencing?loop the cable over your ears and use the earphones like normal. that's pretty much all it is with your canals plugged up.
5 days until TOTL brands kick the bucket
>>109945339pinching pain with normal earbuds, all over my ears I started using normal headphones since then but I'd like to find something that is less bulky than my HD599
>>109945190>>109945431there are many types of tips you can trynot just thicker/thinner but also different feel and softer/firmerI wouldn't recommend wearing IEMs for hours on end anyway
>>109945431>pinching pain with normal earbuds, all over my ears I started using normal headphones since then but I'd like to find something that is less bulky than my HD599it doesn't get any better no matter what you will try, a % of people just can't use in ear dildosspeaking from my own experience, the closest thing i can use are earbuds like cm2000ti's, but using literally every single tip i could try with in ear dildos i'd experience tremendous pain, presumably ear infections and other what i assume to be in ear skin issuesi'm unsure if you are using in ear dildos, earbuds interchangeably but if you can't use in ear dildos try either on ear clip ons, audio technica sells a lot of them, literal earbuds, doesn't have to be expensive shit like cm2000ti, koss porta pros or koss KSC75 clip onsanyway thats probably a good place to start, should be some place you could test some of those before buying, but they are all generally cheap anyways
>>109946079me like that graphic, wholesome. Unlike IEMs
>>109946079Can't speak for people that can't wear IEMs at all, but there absolutely are IEMs that I can wear all day and can't wear all, the latter being the majority. The tips aren't as important as the shell shape and weight in my experience. The best fitting IEMs don't depend on the tips to stay in my ear, they're anchored by the cable and outer ear. Maybe you just haven't found an IEM like that yet.
Huh
>>109946267Lmao imagine
>>109946175>Maybe you just haven't found an IEM like that yet.even tiny ergonomic ones like westone x20/x30 with midget sized nozels were nothing but problems, and i really can't see anything being better for comfort than those, although maybe there are some core ones i missedinsane how bad those sounded for the cost too, i mean i just bought them on price errors to flip anyway so i didn't care, but interesting none the lessck2000ti's were titanium and pretty big and had like 7 sets of tips, for a bit a thought maybe plastic was an issue but it persisted there instead, those were much more interesting >>109946152>me like that graphic, wholesome. Unlike IEMslots of really nice headphone fan art, especially from the era of late 00's and early 10's, not so much anymore because modern audio people are mostly awfulthat graphic is still probably my favorite one
My very own TRN Conch arrived, my first TRN pos ever, although I remember I've been eyeing V80 in the past.Too early too comment on the sound, but I wanted to note that the contents of the box have slightly changed compared to what one can see in early reviews. I suppose it's been "optimized".First of all, the box itself is much smaller. That is because it no longer contains the metal can, which has been replaced by a faux leather pouch identical to the one that comes with Truthear Gate (aside from the stamped in logo of course). I actually personally prefer that as the can seemed a bit bulky on the photos.The other change is the metal filter holder - it's been replaced with a smaller metal bar that now holds 2 sets of filters instead of all of them. I guess that makes sense as one set would always be on the IEMs themselves.I love metal iems in such form factor, now I just hope it doesn't disappoint me like Chu II did.
>>109946466There is Moondrop box art but I believe most of that shit on chinese boxes is ai generated nowdays. Never seen new fanarts with newer stuff. I like drawing tho, maybe some day.
>>109946571i forgot to post the original image>but I believe most of that shit on chinese boxes is ai generated nowdays. Never seen new fanarts with newer stuff. that's more than likely the case, and if it isn't it will be, modern audio audiences care not at all for aesthetics, the majority of headphones, amps and dacs, especially the chinkshit are some of the ugliest things ever made. Least audeze kind is some futuristic or steampunk look, JP still has some beautiful stuff and it's no surprise a lot the fanart is audio technica wood modelsI think the newest stuff i've seen is all the miku collaboration stuff, but even then some of the art just seems a bit off
>>109946571I'd say Moondrop, Truthear and Tanchjim have legit art on them, I personally like Moondrop's the most.Then there's stuff like CVJ, AI or not, but cutting a piece of box art and putting the same thing on their pos, just mirrored, looks quite shit.
If you like anime that much you're one step away from trooning out. Be careful.
>>109946901>If you like anime that much you're one step away from trooning out. Be careful.when you've seen it happen to people in your close person circle it really shows how fucked the world is now so yeahme? i just like art, doesn't really matter what it is, old stuff is cool, new stuff with anime is also good boomer audio magazine adds are also extremely based
anime reminds me of fever dreams. it makes me want to look at trees and get fresh air to negate it
>>109946079thanks a lot I didn't know these existed and no I never had IEMs I only had earbuds and always thought quality was an issue
>>109946659I’ve reached the point where, if a company doesn't clearly announce who the artist is, and if I can't verify that artist's stance on AI - I will assume that box artwork was AI-generated. Especially since anime-style art is the number one thing these generators produce. I cant be even sure for bigger brands like moondrop because how widespread use and acceptance of this gen ai has become in that part of the world.Not that im big fan of anime but good fanart are kino and ai just ruined these kinds of small pleasures for me.What am I talking about, even ZMF and Abyss trooned out with AI generated stuff on multi kilobuck stuff, its over.
>>109947558>AI generated stuff on multi kilobuck stuffThis is really odd to me. I can't understand who would think this is a good idea. maybe it's not as bad as i think due to boomers who cant even tell the difference but it just cant be worth it
>>109947558Softears generated IEMs themselves recently. Like nigga just take a photo.
>>109947789>Moondrop's more expensive luxurious brand can't even do a proper photoshoot for their pos.Oh, it's OVER OVER.
>>109947789Binary too. Entire product page looked like indian scam add on x. Also if u look up for relations from audio shows lots of marketing stuff there is clearly low effort ai slop from gpt image. Don't know how that add up for product exclusivity but maybe boomers buying that shit don't care
they all just use AI gens then trace over it. dont kid yourselves
>>109944610>4.4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4IuLJFEzxY
>pos measures nicely on 5128>puts it in ear it does a 180what's the point of 5128, bros?
>>109950459>60 IQ takeif HRTFs didn't scare you so much, you wouldn't be this cynical. besides, EQ solves everything, right?
they discounted it already, is it worth picking up?
>>109950606Hell naw, just save up for Kiwi Ears Astral
>>109950471ok but what's the point of 5128, bro?
>>109950620they look super uncomfortable though
>>109950693if you don't care for it and have your own assumption of why it's useless, do you really need me or anybody else to convince you otherwise? you already made up your mind.having an argument about it is pointless since we just acknowledged your post as bait from the get-go
>>109950774Daybreak then
>>109950889heard they break super easy
>>109950949no matter what you end up getting, it will be a pos regardless, my friend.
Is there a feature on squiglink to find iems that graph similarly to a target or another iem?
>>109951241someone needs to vibe code the shit out of this already.
https://peqhub.github.io/Squig-Rank/
>>109950949yeah that's false
>>109951348Very cool rec, I uploaded my personal target to it and it works mostly well. I wonder if it's a simple magnitude delta at every freq from the target that determines the ranks. Would be even better to have weighted ranks on preference region decided by the user
>>109944610I'm curious, why sabre? I only remember wolfson or some shit that people like back then. Can't even bother checking those chinkfi dac noawadays.
>>109950459Despite the marketing it's simply different, not more accurate. Being closer to average doesn't make it closer to you personally.
>>109953032>doesn't make it closer to you personally.that's the point. it's a tool. a starting point.
>>109951518Probably simple delta because it completely ignored the midbass dip in my target.
>>109951518>>109953206not sure but iirc it uses the same calculations as harman does with its predicted score, so not just a delta
>>109951348upload a pink noise target and tell us how it scores
a genius of our time
>>109953485what he do
>>109953541Sells copper or something.
>>109953485who is he? guy behind mysticraft?
>>109953574>>109953541that's Peter Wong. he tunes cable and specializes in copper
>he tunes cable
>>109952543I want to try something with ess. Interested with akm stuffs as well, but maybe later.I guess the second hand market fits me more considering my budget
>PWAudio's entry level cable is 100+ USDGullible fools
>>109953633>I want to try something with ess. Interested with akm stuffs as well,buy whatever is not a trash product as opposed to what chip shit usesi know this /iemg/ where most people are refering to low cost chinkshit but for headphone/stereo users theres some hilarious shit where even chinkshit k9 pros with akm/ess "totl' chips were getting north korea nuked insane how little that country cares about making anything not explode
>>109953737The DAC chip is the least important part of the DAC.
>>109954588that was sort of my pointall the goyim redditors who lost 1k to k9 pros bought them entirely for the dac chip in them, as if that would matter in the kilobuck price tier anyways other purely dacs at that range had like 5-20 year warranties, or some other reason for being expensive aside from a dac chip but if someone still buys a near 1k aio, let alone a chinese aio they have brain damage anyways so my warning is pointless
4 days until TOTL brands disintegrate
any other CVJ iem's worth picking up? I have the vivans and they are pretty good but I feel like there are better ones from them
>>109954887It's gonna be so funny when the new pos you've been harping on about turns out to be poo
>>109955113Kira is pretty nice. Konoka if you like gimmicks
moondrop pudding is really really good
>>109946508Aaaaand my new DAP also has just arrived.I totally didn't know they added a USB DAC feature with a firmware update, so that my Dawn Pro might end up on the shelf given that they're basically the same DAC on the inside.
Hexa or Pure for long single player gaming sessions? I want as much clarity and soundstage as possible but still not fatiguing for long sessions
>>109955774>clarity and soundstageUnironically get a PR2 or some other planar. I have Pure and I wouldn't say it's particularly amazing in any of those aspects.
>>109955711enjoy your snowski
>>109955851>Unironically get a fake planar with rapetreble and horrible channel imbalance on every single measured unit
>>109956248>fake planar with rapetreble and horrible channelBeing horrible doesn't mean it's fake.Or are ALL planar iems fake planars?
>>109953131>starting point with no benefits over a 711what a terrible hobby
>>109956248>>109956297It's a real planar. Those things are just the consequences of being a real planar not made by audeze. Fake planar is SPD from kinera.
>>109956187>enjoy your snowskiThanks! I like it so far. Just updated the firmware to the latest 3.9.0 (it shipped with 3.2.0). Also it's the 8GB version - was a bit worried that I'll get a 512MB as those supposedly were the only one shipped for some time due to memory shortages.Now looking into custom themes as there seems to be quite a bit of choice.
>>109956397>Fake planar is SPD from kinera.KZ's planar is more similar to SPD than say, the one on Timeless
>>109956527No.
vs SPD
>>109956527You're clearly cluelessThe only difference in construction (not speaking about quality) between KZ PR series driver and Timeless is size. KZ driver is 13.2mm and Timeless is 14.5mm. That's al, really.
>>109956567Which one at the bottom? That looks very different
>>109956645It's all 1 driver vro. That's the diaphragm. Above are the magnets. Sometimes only one side has magnets.
>>109956464what about the battery life?
>>109956985I literally got it today so it's too early to judge that
>>109956373if it's so terrible, why are you so emotionally invested in it?
>>109957179ok
>>109955711>>109956985>>109957179The way it sorts files is really an ass though. Wow how did they NOT include any sorting options is beyond me. Gonna take a while to fix and get used to
everything sounds basically the same iem choice is just a matter of aesthetics
>>109957716only a deaf person would say this
>>109957763Isn't that a requirement for frequenting this thread though
>>109957716NooOOo You Dun Understand !! Ive spent years EQing !!! my sine sweep sounds SMOOTH !!
when will chifi catch up?
>>109958170Who gives a fuck about bose? Are you indian?
>>109958146nta, but there's a clause in the EQ guide that mentions,>"many argue that the sine sweep that is used currently is not representative of real-life "complex" signals like music".and goes on insisting the measured frequency response is identical no matter what signal you use. much cope
>>109957986>requirementonly being irrationally emotionally invested is the requirement. the louder you are, the more correct you'll seem to be.
>>109958283>the louder you are, the more correct you'll seem to be.That's not right, it doesn't matter how loud you are if everyone is deaf
>>109958295lol I stand corrected
Am I trolling?
>>109958521if you're rich buy, if youre trolling buy it if you can't idk don't
>>109958521Dunno, are you?
>>109958256>the measured frequency response is identical no matter what signal you useIt is. When you record music playing through the IEM with a coupler and then subtract the spectrum of the music you were playing from it you get the magnitude response of the IEM, the same every time. It's even done in the myths section. Do you have any idea how this works at all?
>>109957763Hearing no difference and hearing a difference where there's none are both parts of the deaf horseshoe.
>>109958829all dispelled by CSD plots. an impulse response isn't the same as actual recorded transients in any recorded audio. it's actually laughable that there's a "myths and misconceptions" part to the EQ guide when there's literally 0 authors. we're just going to believe every word an anon typed up as if it's gospel, yeah, sure, riiiiiight. LOL
>>109958900>all dispelled by CSD plotsIt was real in your mind.
>>109958947you're so confident defending no-author, no citation, no peer-reviewed tripe, of course everyone else seems nutty to you. what OT level are you?
>>109958256>>109958900>>109958985>still hardstuck on csdngmi
>>109958993>still stuck on "FR=everything"ngmi
>>109958985Who peer-reviewed your post? By your own standards what you're saying is garbage. Do we stick to your standards or judge things by their own merits?
>>109958900When you EQ an IEM to flat(and linearize the crossover if you got tricked into buying a multidriver IEM) and record music playing through it with a coupler all music transients will remain the same. There's no magic switch inside IEMs that changes their behavior when non-sweep signals are playing.
>>109958997the least you could do is provide measurementsat least eqzo has the decency to post pics
>>109959001chatgpt and headfi boomers lololol
>>109958997Grow uphttps://youtu.be/LrIoNMeo_GI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGKgWniQhk8
>>109958542>>109958612Nah I'm not buying this piece of shit scam.
>>109959001your dumbass logic works both ways ;p
>>109959314>no measurements vs measurementsill go with eqzo thank you very much
>>109959314Not my logic.
>>109959326piss off, foxbum
>>109959653>>109959653>>109959653
