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could have bought a 9070xt for 650 bux
>>110243742I did, cost me 640 euros (offset by selling 7800XT). Looking back on it it was an amazing choice but the 5070ti would've been even better considering it's now impossible to buy.
>>110243742you can still get em used for less.
>>110243745Not yet.
>>110243742You could have voted red and go on a shopping tour with $5,000 now.But you voted against it.
Make pc building great again
I've asked yesterday and didn't get any answer so I'll try again today, hope I'm not posting this on the wrong general. Could anyone recommend me a router? I live in a small apartment and was interested in getting something with a 6ghz band for future proofing. The short range isn't an issue in my case but what should I get?
>>110243742could have bought a 7900xtx 24gb for 270 bux
>>110243800Drumpf didn't follow through on even one of his campaign promises, do you literally have the memory of a goldfish?
>>110243895actually he followed through on a lot of promiseshttps://www.whitehouse.gov/releases/2026/11/president-trumps-second-term-promises-made-promises-kept-results-delivered/
>>110243857TP-Link Archer BE550 / BE9700ASUS RT-BE92UIf you want to be part of the Republic of Gamers then ROG Strix GS-BE18000
>>110243922Thanks, I think I'll settle on the BE550 but will wait for a sale. What's your opinion on the Flint 2 or 3? They're both cheaper (110 and 140 respectively), but the Flint 3 has a fan and I'd rather avoid that.
>>110243922>AsusThose island chinks suck at writing secure firmwares so it's better to go with another company that makes most of their money selling networking gear like tplink
>>110243857Archer C7 with OpenWrt
>>110243800>i get 5000 of my tax money back>much more will go to israel
>>110243965For every 1 5090 you buy, Israel gets 2.
>>110243970FUCK YOU NETANYAHOOOOO
>>110243970And an f-35 and your son's foreskin
>>110243970For every 1 5090 you buy, Israel gets 2, illegal immigrants get 10 + a house
>>110243857in germoney Fritz Routers are popular but idk if you can get those outside of Europe. However they tend to be expensive and the company sold out recently so it's questionable what will happen in future.
>>110243990>Fritz Routers are populartrue
>>110243957Can't find this one anywhere. But the C6 is available.>>110243990I'm in Europe but the Fritz routers aren't really available nor do they look good for the price.
>newegg black fruday deal for a 5080 for 1300 yesterday >sold out before sale went into effect Lmao
>>110244011they may not look very spectacular but I honestly had never any issues with them.
>>110243948The Flint 2 is a good Wi-Fi 6 router (RTINGS rates it the best Wi-Fi 6 router they’ve tested), but it’s dual band and has no 6 GHz. The Flint 3 is the one with 6 GHz (tri-band Wi-Fi 7, five 2.5G ports). but as you say their is a fan. The reviews say its a quiet one and isn't really audible. It also runs GL.iNet’s OpenWrt-based firmware, which is great for VPN and AdGuard Home tinkering but less polished than something like TP-Link’s app. If you just want 6 GHz though without any tweaking, the TP-Link Archer BE550 is the safest option.
did anyone actually manage to get a $299 x870e apex off Newegg?
>>110244011>C6avoid unless it's a v3
I no longer enjoy the autism that comes with upgrading parts. Running benchmarks to get peak performance. But you have to do it otherwise you're left with a box that pumps out heat especially with high end parts.
>>110244022Fair enough. I'll settle with the BE550, it'll probably be on sale these following weeks. With the 2.5 port and wifi 7 I should be able to keep it a few years. Thanks anon
>>110243858i don't believe you, this screenshot must be fake or somehow misleading.
>>110243800Surely even you don't believe that would have happened.>>110244017So they add price protection but do nothing for availability of inventory protection?
how am i not supposed to buy an oled monitor when everyone is saying buy an oled monitor and yes if everyone else was jumping off a bridge i would do it i only draw the line at mrna fake vaccines
>>110244102>In the past >Overclock everything!!!!11one>Today>Fans, 20%>Power limit, 50%>Dynamic OC, off
>>1102442141440p 240hz OLED monitors are the new 1440p 144hz IPS panels from 11 years ago.
>>110244222Today everything comes pre overclocked. The CPU boosts to 5ghz, the GPU boosts to 3ghz, the RAM boosts to 8000mhz, even the monitor is overclocked from 240hz to 280hz or 120 to 144.
>>110244214nigga oled monitors are going for less than $300 these days they aren't even a luxury item anymore just buy one if you want
>>110244224these things will show scratches just by sneezing too hard in their direction
Are there any downsides to 48gb RAM kits compared to 32gb kits, assuming the timings and clock speed is similar?Ideally I'd get a 64gb but no way am I spending 1.5k€ on goddamn RAM.
>>110244381
>>110243800What about that 2000 he owes?
>>110244521The downside is they're expensiverAlso apparently there's little or no Hynix A-die chips in 2x24gb kits if you're into that shit, so M-die at best
>>110244521I got a really good deal on 2x24gb 3 weeks ago, I paid 640 for BIWIN 6000mhz and CL28, price junoed to 800 now so its back to the same. I still wonder if i should have kept the 4x16gb instead and that I was being memed on with the 4 sticks/ddr5 issue
>>110244554>Hynix A-die chipsDo the die type even matters? I mean even if you get good dies with decent timings, how much performance improvement can you expect? I don't think you can bee too picky in the current market since consumers are given bottom of the barrel stuff either way.
>>110235822>>110235828>>110235832>>110235947Thank you all for the informative replies. I tested on both websites yall posted and things look good I don't see any dead pixels or burn in or anything else so i think I'm good.
LOL
>>110243742I had boughted a 9070 for 600. But I'm still annoyed they had lied about msrp by a measily 50 burgers.
>>110243658I should have tried the rubber band method before realizing I was tiredly stripping it. Looks like pliers or drilling is my only option.
I'm thinking about returning my 5800X3D and using that $400 to buy a refurbished Thinkpad T14 or a 10" ebook reader instead. My life would benefit more immediately from a better laptop or a better way to read my stockpile of books.
>>110244782>proceeds to buy $400 worth of Blu ray burners
>>110244782get a lenovo yoga instead
>>110244798The laptop I am currently using IS a lenovo yoga, albeit a baytrail 11e which is a bit too slow for the web now.I was thinking about getting a T14 gen 1 or something unless they still make yoga's with a similar port selection, touchscreen in a similar size.
>>110244812look for a yoga x1. they have usb a and hdmi ports + a usb-c for charging and a pen. they also come with touch screens.
>>110243912Still waiting on my DOGE check and the tariff check. Instead I got a war and broken economy everyone said Kamala would start. Farmers got BTFO twice, too, and they keep asking for more. Also lmao at using the admin as a source that the admin tells the truth. Well, GOP sure does love the uneducated and I'm sure that line still flies over your head.
>>110245024> Still waiting on my DOGE check and the tariff check.Did you even apply for it? There was a deadline AFAIR.I got mine long ago and boughted a nice 5070Ti and 4TB SSD from th money.
>Well, GOP sure does love the uneducated and I'm sure that line still flies over your head.Calm, down retard. You being a faggot and trying to sneak in insults doesn't help your point.
niggas still supporting trump after he imported millions of jeets?
>>110243857I like my dream router 7
planning to build a new pc after 10 years.here's my current plan.
>>110245085You better ask AI to review it as well you gay faggot. Either that or buy some tokens from us.
>>110245085miss me with dat cuz
>used 3300X (40 bux)>used 16GB DDR4 (50 bux)>used MSI B550M-PRO-VDH (45 bux)>new 512GB ADATA NVMe>used 3070 (270 bux))>used Wraith MAX (5 bux)>new Jonsbo D32 (50 bux)>new Seasonic Core 650W (55 bux)
>buying a new CPU in 2026 without AVX512 ishygddt
>>110245162>used 3070How many crypto coins did this electronic whore get through itself?
>>110244782>return a decent but old processor to buy an ewaste laptop or ewaste book readerholy retard
>>110245448e waste only exists when you run windows
>>110245427What part of a GPU gets used up by mining crypto?
>>110245503Depends on what crypto is being mined.
>Intel Ultra 250k Plus>Ryzen 5 9600xI don't want to upgrade my cpu for 4-5 years ideally, until ddr6 is commercially available. Which one of these do you think is the better option for a smooth system, giving me 60+ fps in any AAA future game release for that amount of time?
>>110245620cheap out on the ram and get a 7800x3d
>>110245448>shit you can actually use versus a small improvement in gaming fps (he should have bought raptor lake instead)
Poorfag here, looking to buy a cheap, used GPU. Probably in-person instead of through eBay (though I'll be forgoing any buyer protection provided by eBay). Anything I should be weary of? Rapeage due to mining is one such consideration. Anyone ever been burned by an in-person PC transaction? I'm only considering buying from sellers that either have an exceptional rating on their respective marketplace platform, or that are just gaymers looking to part with a GPU they've upgraded from.
>>110245647Always arrange a test in person.
this news makes my PP tingle
>>110245663Like, on their own rig at their place? Do I just ask them to run some stress testing benchmark so that the results are ready by the time I arrive? What if it's just some merchantfag who came across a GPU and has no use for it?
>>110245620250k plus but if you arent gonna upgrade i really would push for a 270k plus, maybe you can find a good black friday deal on one
>>110245686a shame its exclusive to rdna4+ gpus>>110245647
>>110245635What do you mean cheap out? im already planning on getting the cheapest cl 36 6000mhz ddr5 dram i can find.
>>110245647try Jawa.gg
>>110245696Either bring your own small test rig or a USB with your test programs at minimum if possible. Always verify the damn thing works, inspect the visual condition, and try to determine the origin for example if the card has a PCB crack repaired.
>>110245761So you don't think a 250k plus will last for 4-5 years for games? If I raise my budget for a 270k plus, then I could also consider the r7 7800x3d. I just figured the 250k plus would be solid enough to stretch 4-5 years.
>get a 9070xt nitro>its pcie pins are short>literally dont fit in the motherboard >returned it for a 5070ti>normal pcie pinslol what the fuck is this shit? you guys said sapphire was good.
>>110243674>dual socket motherboardSex
>>110245804jesse wtf r u talking about
>>110245780get 5200mhz or 5600mhz ram instead and get a 7800x3d
>>110244214Theres nothing like gaming on an oled. You gotta try it for yourself.
Is now the best time to buy RAM if I'm looking to upgrade to a DDR5 platform?I realize everything is nonsensically expensive but in this economy, waitfags are absolutely delusional IMHO
>>110245812the god damn pci e pins are 1mm shorter than any normal gpu and this utterly fucks up the seating unless you want to cut down the bracket and void your RMA
>>110245825
>>110245814Really? Every fag I've seen posted online always screams about some 6000mhz cl30~ sweet spot as if your pc is going to jihad itself without it.
>>110245804>Nitro12VHFR connector, shoulda gotten a Pulse
>>110245799It'll easily last 4-5 years especially if you play at resolutions higher than 1080p but the 8 P cores of the 270k Plus are much more future proof. It also has really good multicore performance and just a general computing beast.>7800x3dGood if all you do is gaming and nothing else. Basically get the 250k or 9600x if you are unwilling to push budget higher. Otherwise 270k Plus, i wouldn't consider 7800x3d its too overpriced for what it is. 7500x3d is another option as well those go for around the same price as the 9600x/250k plus and its a better option if its a solely gaming focused rig.
>>110245835>your pc is going to jihad itself without it
>>110245820yes black friday sales you might find a """deal""" as well, but its unironically only going to get worse next year.
>>110245865
>>110245835you literally wont even notice the difference unless you have two systems plugged next to each other with fps overlay on both screens.
>>110245810It really was when CPUs had one core only.In the late 90's I got myself a Supermicro P6DGU and 2 x Pentium II "Deschutes" 350 MHz. An incredible experience. Almost better than sex!
>>110245835>>110245865>>110245875You also have to keep in mind the most extreme differences when it comes to RAM speed are with the highest end GPU at the lowest resolution.If those two variables change then the charts means much less
>>110245835AM5 X3D chips don't care 99% of the time about that.Even non-X3D chips will get maybe 5-10% lower performance in certain scenarios with slower RAM. In blind test you could not tell the difference.Not worth it unless you have autism.It was go-to option because those sticks were like $20 more expensive at the time compared to the cheap stuff, so it made sense back then to buy those 6000 CL30 or any Hynix DDR5 for that matter.
>>110245804nigga im a novideo shill as well but this literally doesn't make sense
>>110245835you said it yourself>every fagwhy would you ever listen to faggots online
>>110245867>yes black friday sales you might find a """deal""" as wellI'm already seeing prices ramping up for them to justify a "discount" a couple weeks later.
>>110245620> 60+ fpsEven a 5800X3D will do if your GPU is a decent GeForce.
>>110245878I have an old Powermac G5 case that I wanna convert to inverted SSI-EEB just so I have the option of fitting a dual socket motherboard in the future.Practical? Fuck no, but it's just so cool.
>>110245455>just run the OS only good for posting screenshots of your riced terminal on /g/ bro>>110245647Don't be retarded. Use ebay, jawa, any of the proper platforms out there that actually give you some protection. Otherwise you're just asking to get a brick in a box or robbed.
>>110245880>>110245889>>110245907>>110245856>>110245865Alright so if I drop the ram to cl40 5600mhz, I can squeeze my budget a bit and go for the 270k plus or the r7 7800x3d.I just don't want to upgrade until after ddr6 and still have a great general experience, including gaming.Wish there was a clear winner here lol, I can't decide between team blue or orange.
>>110245932windows is only good for harvesting data and serving ads and broken updates when you don't need them tho. only use case is to entertain goycattle.
>>110245934if all you do is gaming 7800x3d, if you do anything else 270k plus.
>>110245943picrel
>>110245943gpus do most of the work nowadays anyway from video editing to 3d modeling. the gpu matters more.
>>110245934270k plus simply for faster shader compilation
>>110245875>>110245865Now show the Intel CPUs with ddr4
>>110245986>intel cpus with ddr4>6000cl30 ram
>>110245943It's for everything.Gaming, work, llms, emulation, etc.
>>110246068270k
>>110245909Don't settle for anything before LGA4189.
Redpill me on using 2 DDR5 sticks vs 4
>>110245865>tfw DDR5-6000-CL28 master race
>>110245085Samsung 9100 Pro is a terrible waste of money for a system drive. You won't notice the difference to a Gen4 drive.5080 also waste of money. The 5070 Ti has the same amount of VRAM and is only 10% slower.You don't need 64 GB RAM because, lets be honest, you won't do that "heavy game-dev multitasking" anyway.Et voila! I just saved you $1000-$2000.
>>110245085buy all of that stuff you will thank yourself in 10 years there is zero point "saving" money on a 10 years build
should I buy this now or wait for zen 6currently rocking 5950X, 64GB and a 9070 XTnot in a rush but if zen 6 gets pushed back, might be looking at double the cost of the memory
>>110246249>9950x3d2Wait foe zen6Doubly wait for the new motherboards to drop.
>>110246249just wait, id buy ddr5 rn though its only gonna get worse
>>110245769>shame its exclusive to rdna4+old stuff is old. even nvidiots know their vintage drivers get tombstoned.
>>110245696>Like, on their own rig at their place? Do I just ask them to run some stress testing benchmark so that the results are ready by the time I arrive?not knowing how to make a bootable Linux USB SSD drive with tests on it to inspect the hardware so you are less likely to get ripped off
Will this ram work with an AMD cpu?
>>110246498Yeah
>>110246516thanks anon, sorry for my dumb question. It's annoying how corsair lists that as 'intel xmp certified' and no mention of 'still functions with AMD cpus though'
>>1102465406000mhz is guaranteed to work on Ryzen. Intel certified ram is usually between 7200-8000+.
>>110246551right, that's good to know. Why the fuck do those mongoloids put Intel RAM in the title lol
>>110246471the 7900xtx is faster than the 9070xt though
>>110246249>now or waitDO NOT WAIT. If you really want this shit, buy it now. >fabs (sellers) have less obligations than buyers>material shortages or insane price increases on limited materials (helium, sulfur products, copper) will affect the next cycles of production. Even fucking PCBs and PMICs will be affected.>they will continue to do (consumer) SKU destruction in order to service their highest margin products (AI)
>>110246618probably better to buy sooner than later, later has a 99% chance guarantee of costing more.
>>110246580Because it's intel optimized RAM, it's designed to work with Intel XMP profiles. If you want the AMD version you need EXPO ram. The ram you showed will work on an AMD board but may not load its EXPO profiles. That ram is optimized for INTEL motherboards not AMD ones. AMD boards might run the xmp profile, will depend on the board but that ram will have no expo profiles. If it can't load the xmp profile it will run at default jedec speeds
>>110246688Just wait for the $1500 X970E boards and the $2000 10950X3D2
Should I avoid 6 core CPUs right now? I've read some articles saying they are the bare minimum and you should really push for an 8 core.
>>110245891Motherfucker you can measure it. Which slant eyed thief trimmed the pcb 1mm to save a shekel? Sapphire and powercolor have short ass cards.
>>110247150Unless you are running simulators or editing it really does not matter much broski.
>>110247169PCIE is a standard just like HDMI or DDR. They can't go outside of spec. What you're saying makes no sense.
>>110247261if that's true I hate journalists niggers so much, the truly deserve death
>>110247283The more cores you have the better multitasking will be. Multitasking is subjective as everyone does different things on their computer at once. Windows will reserve at least 2 cores for itself so 6 core CPUs are more like quad cores for apps.
>>110246249Damn, I got that same kit before everything went to shit. Things will never get cheaper. Also would recommend the noctua 420 aio. I have it for my 9950x3d.
anons, i can't decide on a monitor upgrade.so many options rn.im prone to wait, but my main 27" 2k unit gave up the ghost.what i am comparing are curved QD-OLED 2k/4k 34" / 32" units.currently using a 24" VA panel from about 2018... so anything is going to be an upgrade rn.what would you do?
>>110247312the res and hz is based on your PC specsIf you have a 5080+9800x3d for example then you realistically cap out at 1440p 280hz or 4k 144hz. Anything more your setup cant hit realiably. Anything less and the visuals degrade.
>>110247293
Should I grab an Ultra 5 250k or wait for nova lake? I guess I could just sell the motherboard and the 250k and buy nova lake if it makes that large of a difference.
>>11024550399% of them hammer the vram and degrades the thermal padsthe final 1% uses matrix multiplications and hammers the gpu die
>>110246471ALL RTX will support the new directx api features while only rx9000 (not even rx7000) will see any support.It's another case of radeon supporters getting the finger from ayymd
>>110247354good point.nova lake test results are probably another quarter out from the review channels.im considering the same thing, but the arrow lake bundles are a considerable option.depends on what you're upgrading from too. the shift also includes a socket change to 1954 for nova.my current platform is so old, either one will be a huge leap.
>>1102458356000cl30 = guaranteed hynix a-die6000cl36 = random ass memory ICs that are no better than 5200/5600mhz stuff
>>110247398difference between 5200 to 7200 ddr5 is minuscule though, like 1-3% difference so who cares if you get some Bosnian ratfuck ICs
>>110247379screwed once again by the tiny weenis that is AMD
>>110247412its not only for the 1-3% performance advantage. hynix chips are also more stable and better supported across all boards when using expo.
is solipsism true? objectively speaking u cannot prove that anything actually exists
>>110245503both ai & cryto rape your gpus memory controller
>>110247507seems Corsair doesn't list what die they use but it does mention it sources from Micron, Samsung and SK Hynix.
>>110247582corsair tends to cheap out on memory ICs and hynix has a cost premium so unless its an obvious hynix bin like 6000cl30, 6400cl32, or 6600cl32, all of their kits are micron/samsung
I have a 4070. Should I just suck it up and buy a 5080 (and maybe return it if black friday is cheaper)? I don't really need an upgrade, but I don't see things getting any cheaper for 3 years and that's if Nvidia/AMD don't just exit the consumer market completely..
>>110247647its worth it imo. rtx5000 isn't getting replaced until 2028 Q1 so the 5080 will remain the 3rd or if rdna5 AT2 is any good, 4th fastest gpu until then
Red pill me on SFF builds and mATX/ITX, are they just a meme lulling you into a shitty case?>>110247647You're probably never going to be getting a GPU more powerful than the 5080 anytime soon since yes I can see AMD/Nvidia leaving the consumer market and going full private AI & cloud gaming like GeForce NOW.Might as well grab it now since I highly doubt prices will drop at all on black Friday.
>>110247655>>110247664Ok I'll see if I can grab a 5080 this week. Just gotta make sure the store will accept price matching by black friday. Thanks bros.
desu macs are unironically better than gayming pcs.
>>110247690i prefer burger king myself
>>110247690macs are extremely good at using the web and doing ai stuff but thats about it
>>110247690>>110247761This. If personal gpus weren't a thing and everyone gamed via cloud, I'd 100% have a mac mini right now., cute little things
>>110247647Not worth paying $2,000 or more for a meager 16GB vramlet.I paid less for my 4090.
Why cant you trannies understand that your hobbies like playing vidya isnt important? Its more important that we achieve AGI for the betterment of humankind.Frying your dopamine receptors from gaming is a worthless endeavor. Be better
>>110247997moot point when you cant buy a 4090 for $2000 in 2026
How do I cope with the fact that I missed 5070ti?
>>110247997>paid less for my 4090.Does this gloat help anyone? Unless theres a time machine available
Use case of tranime gpus?
>>110248000Who's gonna benefit? From AGI?
>Ryzen 7 3700X>GTX 1080>32gb DDR4What should I upgrade first?
is RTX 3060 8gb good enough in 2k26
>>110248109>>11024802612gb is good enough for most things8gb is showing its age, but still OK
>>110248109Only for 1080p [spoiler]It still struggles to run stable 60fps even in 1080p in Ace Combat 8 for example[/spoiler]
At what point do I need to give a shit about the amperage on the 5v rail? 20A seems to be pretty standard and that's what, 100 Watts? Last I checked the shit powered by 5V at this point is>HDDs>SSDs>DDR5 RAM???>USB ports/peripheralsI'm less clear on whether m.2 SSDs draw off 5V. Looking into chucking a NAS together and All I have is a 20A rail. Maybe there's a solid 12v - 5v load balancer?
>>110248073Everyone. By 2040 we might actually be traveling to the nearest galaxy because we achieved beyond agi but nooooo you need your daily fix of vidya like an addict.
>>110248063i like how they cut out the back of the socket around the drawing of the fox girl's tail
>>110248162are there even any interesting planets in the nearest galaxy that aren't just dust or gas?
>>110248162technology won't fix anything delusional brohigh tech will just require ever more resources in a galaxy already fully occupied by millions of cultures more advanced and ancient than ours who owns all the stars/planets we can see from earth
>>110248137m.2.s draw power off 3.3v iirc
>>110248189Still better than rotting your brain from vidya
>>110248198>says this when AI brought us tons of nonsense content literally called brainrot
>>110248137Tipping point of having to worry about a 5V rail is about 16 HDDs, you can push to 20 or even 40 but this heavily depends on the HDD model.The top end of any 5V consumption on an HDD is about 1 amp. 16 HDDs keeps you well into the limit of the PSU rails and that amprage rating on HDDs is a peak rating. So in reality they consume less in general use.You'll run into trying to fit more HDDs in a "normal" case before the 5V rail is an issue.M.2 is 3.3v but that's a big iff as it might be handled by whatever board it plugs into. Either way it's not a concern really.
>>110243674why are some people against getting a cpu that has an igpu? I only see them as a bonus. what if something happens to your GPU? what if you want to troubleshoot a headless server you have and can't access it remotely for some reason? even if you have no use for an igpu i still think it's worth it if you ever have to troubleshoot a computer and for whatever reason can't access it without literally just plugging something in and seeing it.even if you never use it it's still good to have imo
>>110248336It's just cope from am4 fanboys
>>110248336My AMD iGPU was having driver issues with my 5070Ti so I had to disable it.But it's an AMD GPU so driver issues are to be expected, I guess. Nicer to have it than not, even still.
>>110248355happened to me after i uninstalled the amd gpu driver on my 7800x3d+4090 pc. it would boot into a black screen on the igpu.i fixed it by reinstalling the drivers
Anyone have experience with sff cases?Wondering how capable they are at actually cooling down the system compared to fuck huge regular towers.
>>110248336I just dislike the idea of everything doing everything. I want things that do one thing well not one thing that does everything but with sacrifices, that said just get what ever (You) like, who cares, it's your PC, you're the one who will use it, it should be tailored to what you like
>>110248376zen6 won't have an igpu and zen7 if it reuses zen6's io die won't either
>>110248336I assumed for some time that the IGPU affected performance even when the IGPU was turned off. Now I see that I have IGPUless CPU, doing worse than the IGPU versin of the same CPU lmao. I think I paid equal or more even for the CPU.So probably just some assumptions going around. HOWEVER, if it was the case that I am paying less or getting better thermals by not having an IGPU then I might get the a pure CPU. I suppose this might happen in a future where we get more variety due to chiplets or less CPU monodesign/scale of CPU production.
>>110248428it varies I'm pretty sure what you wrote is the case with 5th gen ryzen 5s
>>110248428I mean if you get an intel -F model cpu, its missing the iGPU because of flawed silicon
all cpus should at least come with some basic ass igpu, just to allow functionality for the pc without a dgpu.how ass is this low profile cooler?
Why wouldn't you get iGPU? They are pretty useful for checking out if your GPU is broken. How much do your even overpay?
>>110247664SFF will always be potentially the best considering airflow. Large cases with 12 RGB fans are fighting against air that doesn't want to move. It's obviously just inefficient. Make a tunnel and you're good. Of course you'll get deadspot on the wind shadow side of PCB SMD components, but trying to eliminate that is the highest form autism. Definitely not a meme.Blower cards are a thing. Blower PCs makes perfect sense.However, SFF isn't really for tinkerers that open their shit often and likes to be flexible with their parts. SFF are best for those that plans very well and then it's set and forget.Small motherboards in and of itself are nice though, and I definitely keep an eye out even though I never buy SFF cases. I use them in making custom cases. In fact I recommend to people getting into DIY PC to consider buying extreme parts, because later your homelab needs will necessitate them, and right now you're just going to FOMO and overpay on capability anyways.
>>110248466>functionality for the pc without a dgpu.so get one with an iGPU I don't see your point here do you not know whether or not you're getting a real GPU when you're buying your CPU?
At which builds do you actually need a water cooling?
>>110246249Lol for gaming you can wait for another decade. Sounds like classic consumerist FOMO to me. Why do you need to upgrade?I am Lisa Su Fanboy, but Zen 6 will dedicate some silicone to NPU which is around 10 % of the die. I am hanging back real far on that gen to see what's what.
>>110248469hard to sayfor intel pre core ultra, any cpu without an igpu meant that the igpu just didn't meet spec so it was disabledpost core ultra they have separate tiles for the gpu, but I'm not very familiar with the details of what they shipzen 4/5 the igpu is on separate silicon from the main cores, along with the memory controller, which is built on cheaper silicon than the cores
>>110248478Need? Basically only enterprise systems that are designed for it. Any consumer CPU/GPU will be fine at stock speeds with air cooling.
Should I get 5070ti for 2k$?
No you should stare at how much it cost a year ago and cry
>>1102485172k?? Is that made of solid gold?
>>110248527Regional pricing.
>>110248557Is that the lunar colony price?
>>110248578[spoiler]Russia[/spoiler]
>>110248580Sorry but I stand with ukraine
>>110248580welp, time to molotov your local recruitment office
>>110248527Norway currently has 5070TI at 1400 to 2350 /USD. Many western countries gets absolutely cucked on taxes and shit. Bonus points if you live in a rural area (most of Norway is), fucking up the used market.
>>110248517>>110248580You can buy 5070 even if it's worse.
>Avoid ASRock AM5 boardswhich other manufacturer offers reasonably priced mobos with plenty of IO ports like USB? I really like my current Taichi (besides the sound card having noise), but I want to switch to an AMD CPU long term.
I don't think a 5080 is worth $1000 more than a 5070Ti.
>>110248644just don't get an x3d then
>>110248661why does it affect x3d CPUs?
>>110248472Fractal torrent, lancool 207, Corsair warthog and haf ii 500 are ATX cases with airflow that beats open bench coolingThere's nothing in itx land that stands up to those airflow cases with 2 massive intake fans
>>110248583>Sorry but I stand with the kikes
>>110248644Gigabyte x3d refresh boards are great
>>110248719Kikes didnt fuck me over. Last I checked, I still have my 5090
>>110248723wow this looks great actually, and it has enough m.2 and USB ports for me
>>110248728The person responsible for overpriced ram is a kikeYou're either a disingenuous kike or a jeet golem
>>110248689Good question, if only Asrock had an answer.>>110248719If it weren't for Israel pulling the US into Iran, Ukraine would have a lot more patriot missiles to stop Russia from blowing up schools
>>110248689No 3rd party (and ASRock themselves) have root caused the issue. A specific ASRock board that has killed a x3d chip cannot be used again to kill another x3d chip, and yet the reported rate of ASRock boards killing x3d chips is like more than 10x higher than the next highest, Asus (which outsells all other brands combined)
>>110248772IMO I have a feeling that AMD and everybody knows what the issue is but is just going to warranty/slippage it's way out of it as it is a fatal flaw and Asrock's VRM design/control just happens to tickle whatever it is more than others.9800X3Ds might not age well if at all.
>>110248796Well yeah. The last time CPU degradation was a widespread issue was Intel's 13th and 14th gen and that basically tanked their sales amongst enthusiast and is now the reason we're talking about AMD CPUs all the time. AMD is obviously going to do everything they can to avoid the same fate, including throwing other companies under the bus.
>>110248703>Keeping up with RGB land.
>>110248755Not my problem
>>110243858YES
>>110243674I was kind of suprised at some of the responses I got in this general (don;t believe you post pics etc etc) as if it was sometjhing special when I said I was using stuff like sxm2 V100s and sxm4 A100s and I was wondering why because while there are undoubtedly mouthbreathers and gaymers posting there are also tech obsessives. I realised why and it is quite interesting. I am in Europe. Now I did not realise what has happened to the US but I was talking with a tech old colleague in texas and understand better. I can get v100s here locally for about 95 euro and external nvlink four way boards for 300 euro shipped form china. I can get a100s 40GB for about 2000 euro (the first one I had was given to me by someone I was working for). I can get A100 boards from china for about 500 euro. I am working on a 4xA100 80GB build that would give me parity with frontier rn. It appears that US customs will aggressively stop any AI related material flowing between the US and China and that a lot of his stuff he tried to import got stuck in a customs hell. I guess this is why you anons are not doing this so much now even though this absolutely crushes consumer garbage like 5090s or mac minis at pretty low cost. It seems to me that one of you could make great money cloning the chinese boards and making them in the USA. Anyhow fun fact the V100s stripped form the US supercomputer Summit (OLCF-4) all went in containers to China for resale (I get mine from local datacentre decomissioning). If you are looking for an experimental entry point at bottom dollar probably the cheapest for you would be a PCI adaptor anything even an old 1x16 riser and a couple oif high rpm case fans and a v100 16GB with the 9cm heatsink. Just stick the two fans on it like you would a thermalright CPU cooller and turn it on connected to whatever like a 1x PCIe slot and locad a model that fits and leaves context, after it has loaded it will run perfoecly fine and output plenty of T/S. 300$ project
>>110247312If you buy an oled monitor you are forced to buy something without a forced pixel refresh like an Asus (allegedly, haven not tested) or other brands like samsung/lg famously do not have any forced refresh behavior (Msi, philips, lenovo, aoc and more)else you will have a NOTORIOUSLY frustrating and annoying experiencebut since we are pidgeonholed into joining the fucking Republic to get a functioning non shit firmware, but I ain't fucking paying 1500€ for a 32" monitor when you can buy the 55" flagship oled tvs for CHEAPER and they even still have a fucking pixel shift off feature and no forced refreshesso now that we have concluded that monitors are shit and overpriced if you wanna avoid annoyanceware you have to pay more, you have to be a RETARD to buy a monitorpersonally I cannot cope with this factso I would buy a s95h(s99h eu) or a g6 55" on black friday sales and mount it at an apropriate distance 1m+~ from eyes
>>110248871I have a plan like that but I still want PCIe cards.I have a dual system case and want pick related on the other side for some type of extra GPUs for AI and general PCIe cards.It actually kinda sucks here to post anything weird because people's brain just cracks and they have zero idea what they are looking at.
>>110247640What would a 6000CL28 indicate?
>>110248871samefag so to get this in comparision all thjis luisting after crap like 5090s for stuff like AI well,4xv100 on 4 way NVLINk board connected via oclink or sas is either 64 or 128GB of dedicated vram going at 900 GB/s with 300GB NVLINK between them and about 20000 cuda cores. A single A100 80gb on an adaptor board right now is 80GB with 2TB/s memory and 6,912 CUDA cores.NVLINK on them gives 600 GB/s. I am waiting for the 4 way nvlink boards for a100 80 GBs to drop in china so far I have only played with prototypes but the single A100 boards are widely available cloned off the PCIe version. Really the consumer cards even when they are blackwell with 32GB are a bit toylike in comparion because they can't run really decent models without offloading to memory and the mac mini shared memory is just more or less rebar shit and there is no dedicated GPU high speed memory comparible. Like I said beyond a local utility card like a 3060 12GB in an ATX case is makes zero sense to put any of this in an ATX case, it's external on a seperate PSU and I have no idea why people are so obsessed with 5090s. There is no real use for them in gayming and for LLMs they will only run relatively weak models compared to what you can even do on a 64GB 4x nvlink V100 setup due to memeory overflow. But I think I understand better now why this stuff seems wierd to US anons, while some of it was imported early on, now a lot of it is getting seized by US customs and that's why you are all worried about shitty consumer CPUs.BTW just for the hell of it I did run cyberpunk 2077 on a PCIe V100 and it did about 60-70 FPS in 1080 with everything up. I don;t really use them for gayming and don;lt see why anyone bothers with much more than a 3060 12GB or at most a 5060 16gb ti for gayming as it really seems pointless.
>>110248940a good hynix bin
>>110248949>now a lot of it is getting seized by US customsWhat are you on about?No one is getting their shit seized by customs, at least not as a policy.There are entire places dedicated to home HPC/local LLM/etc on places like level1techs and it's mostly American
>>110248922No, avoid, You see you want the nvlink between your external GPUs so you want a 2 or 4 way smx2 board that has the bandwidth between the GPUs. You are crippling yourself there by using PCIe (although I suppose you could do 4x 3060 12GB in parallel) but it would be shitty because you are missng out on the incredible speed of HBM2 memory and the power using NVLINK on sxm2 to combine the GPUs. You are getting all the hassle with none of the advantages the datacentre and serve architectures provide to you. I only gave the example of a 1x pcie riser with a pcie v100 smx2 adaptor and external PSU because it is the cheapest experimental entry point I could think off. I don;t think these smx2 and smx4 cards ever belong in an ATX case BTW, yes there are people who try putting them into the MBs pcie but I think it ius dumb as are the standalone PCIe cards. Use the HBM2 and SMX luke. Use the force.
>>110248063I know i made some frieren fan seethe. I've never even watched it
>>110248979it's not worth watching. starts out really good and falls off with battle royale shit.
>>110248974Yes they are you are wrong, now if anything containes what is classifyed as US AI chip tech like V100s or nvlink boards it falls under the 'foreign direct product rule' and you need special paperowk and approval to import it, which basically you will never get. My buddies stuff all got seized and it was GPUs and nvlink boards (Texas).
>>110248974btw I donlt really like youtube tech streamers but I actually like the level1tech guy (he's I think an actual nerd and hacker in the original meaning of enjoying taking stuff apart liek me) and the gaymers nexus guy is spot on in his rants but I think the folks in the US that have their nvlink boards and cheap chink GPUs imported are the lucky ones. What I was explained is that these new laws make exporting US AI stuff like nvlink and sxm GPUs a big no to china for national security and that but it also applies now to importing them (it always did by the letter of the law but it's no being applied). I don;t want to misremember but basically to get the stuff back out iof sizure he would need to hire an attourney and also get a state department permission to import or export AI to chin which he would never be granted so he just let the stuff go and he is not being prosecuted or anythiung. Anyhow I though for me it explained why anons were going 'nbo that's impossible' post pics etc about stuff like mmy sxm 2 and 4 boards. It's just dumb to use a consumer PCIe GPU for thisd stuff when you can use stuff with sxm and hbm. I mean for what a 5090 costs I could make a small supercomputer in herms of cuda and vram.
>>110248977>Use the HBM2 and SXm2 luke. Use the force.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWDOSnC9aCs
>>110249015Shit still makes zero sense importing from China into the US. It would make sense for outbound US shipments to anywhere else but it's not an expectation that if you buy something from China through ebay that it would get seized.There might be other reasons something may be seized (like tariffs) but being an Nvidia DC GPU alone going INTO the US and being seized does not make sense and there have been no real public sayings that I've seen.
>>110249154It applied both ways but you are right it makes no sense but that is the law.
>>110249154To claify yes under that law you need approval to IMPORT US origin tech like nvidia GPUs or NLINK tech into the USA from China (or export but that is obvious). MAybe it does nmake sense and it is to stop spiked firmware entering supply chains or something. Anyway you can look up 'foreign direct product rule' I was bummed out for my pal in Texas because I was encouraging to order the 4 way nvlink sxm2 board and he got some v100s to go with it and the whole lot got sized and he is not getting it back without special AI import/export permission for China which understandably he is not going to try getting. Anyway if you all know about this stuff why are you always going on about 5090s which are really not that great because 32GB is noit much really. If I want to use something like Cyber-Tiel-Coder-35B-A3B-UD-Q8_K_XL the model alone is 38.5GB and you really need 64GB of nvram to bother with it for context and cache. Who the fuck wants censored fronier models that flag you as a bad person if you ask the wrong thing about coding?
>>110249206>Cyber-Tiel-Coder-35B-A3B-UD-Q8_K_XLhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRL74JmhVgk
>>110247398>6000 CL30 is guaranteed to be a-dielol noCTCED532G6000HC30DC01. is hynix m-die
Seeing as how expensive 5090's are if you're already spending that much why wouldn't you just get a blackwell professional card at that point?
>>110249263• DDR5-6000 CL30: Delivers around 70–96 GB/s of bandwidth per 64-bit channel.• HBM2: Delivers 256 GB/s per stack via a 1,024-bit wide interface (with multi-stack configurations reaching much higher totals)so which should I spend money on?
>>110249292they're underclocked and undervolted because they're meant to run 24/7 for years
>>110249292well 2 A100s SXM4 nvlink are massively faster on models bigger than 96GB and vastly cheaper. By the time you get to 4 a100s on sxm4 nvlink you are begining to match fronitier models but with no network latency or cloud quantisation of context. Workstation rtx 6000s can't nvlink either
>>1102493325090s are shitty in in several ways1)only 32GB which is a showstopper2)very very bad design of power connecter3)Does not support nvlinkThey are toys and not very well made toys, completely unnecessary for gaming but also completely shit for LLMs because really good models won;t fit in 32GB with context and cache. The RTX 6000 is better but still limiting because it only goes up to 96GB and can't nvlink either, it is deliberately crippled. Both are also very expensive compared to options which give you more power, for the price of an RTX 6000 you could get 4 used A100 SXM4 and a sxm4 backplane and have more power to run much larger models and have a lot of cash left over. It's also fucking stupid putting this stuff in a pcie slot in an ATX case.
we are finished the era when game FPS was used to bench systsem power and speed and entering an era when the bech is how fast can a system build a game that would have been used to bench fps before. Its not can you run crysis, it's how fast your system can create crysis
>>110248871I got a 1.6tb p5800x this year for $800 from ebay and it's great
Today is a good day (if they all work).
>>110249334I just loooked and can get a smx4 backplane that nvlinks 4 a 100s for about 2500 dollars and I can get A100s for about 2000-2500 so given a rtx6000 is selling for 15000 I can get something more capable with more vram for less, not just that but I can also use it to support multiple users if I want to wheeras an RTX 6000 will be single user.. I mean drool for something like H series or 8 way a100s or even 8 way 32GB v100s not shit like 5090s and rtx6000s which are crappy fuck off and leave us alone bullshit from nvidia and the 50xx series from any electrical engineers perspecive are raw steaming smelly sewage due to the power connectors and thermals. Waste of a blackwell chip
>>110249475nice.
>>110249491Just boughted a pack of artic P14s for random uses.
>>110249521I was going to buy a P14 pack to supplement my existing p14 pro but saw these 2022 manufactured used for like 45$ so I had to check them out.
>>110249535I got the P14s to strap to my 9cm GPU aluminium blocks with metal springs (like tower CPU cooler fans) because they were cheap and were the 2700 rpm ones. Also I like the sound of airflow and fans as long as it's not real DB earmuff whine. E.g I have a PC case rn by my feet that is a mini atx with a 3060 in it and it has a lateral fan bolted inside the case lid so it is over the 3060 that has 5 mm holes drilled in it that blows air over by feel while I am lying down. This is amazingly nice to me because I like the nice cool feet feels and the southing sound of the airflow. Your fans are probably better though in being more quieter. As I am not a normie, I of course hacksawed back the bolts flush and painted the bolt heads black with my acrylic model paints. I derive pleasure from ridiculous things. It does keep the card very cool too and hangs off the spare CPU fan connector. I do not know why case manufacturers do not put lateral fan mountings in case lids as they work very very well when over the gpu
>>110243674bad times to build pcimma wait for ddr6
>>110249535I won a wierd lot at auction recently 4 chink 1000 watt 240 volt psus and about a 100 pci1x isers liek pic related (random example from ebay) , for ten euro. I am trying to think of a use for this stuff. It must be from a bbroke crypto miner, the stuff is all new all in its anti static bags. I don;t want to bother trying to sell it as that has the massive downside of interacting with people which is often unpleasent. The PSUs are atx with fixed cables with a cheesy bitcoin logo on them but I opened one and put a meter on it and it is suprisingly alright actually and I would probably use them as long as they were on a surge protector
Hey anons, stand in front of the sun with your eyes closed, hold a fan in front of your face, and spin it so each impeller blade blocks the sun if you want to see a weird graphical effect.
>>110249594Laptop thermal modding is probably "slept on" a they say. I see some modern CPU are extremely throttled and then have no fan, but if U can unlock these or find laptops that are thermally throttling its prob extremely nice. Also has to be good for longevity for the whole thing if ur case temp drops like 30 c.
>>110249622Objectivel udimms and ddr are abad achitecture that should go away when you realise what stuff like hbm2/3 does it feels like we are living in a cave clubbing our cpu ram to death and dragging ot back by the hair to eat it raw. There is no such thing as an operating system that can run on e.g a v100 but I think I would like the project of writing one. You would need a cusom board that connected to a SXM2 interface that had a storage cointroller chipset and IO for keyboard and mouse and a HDMI port and you could boot and run your entire stack of GPUs and run an OS on them as well with no other computer at all. Beyond me but not some.
>>110249594If you want a life hack for maximum comfyness, get alubutyl sheets to mass load your panels and then put some memory foam layer on top. It synergizes so well with my Dark Base 900 which synergizes with the Silent Wings fans.
>>110249675I don;t really do much with laptops, I have about 20 of them stuck on the bottom of a bookcase and I keep meaning to get a few nice but can't be bothered I do all my computing on PCs or servers. Especially now since a lot of laptops since the ulktra thin thing apple cancer started meant theyw ree soldered, the odl dell precision ones were great because they were very servicable model laptops piss me off everything is soldered and they use glue a lot.
>>110249710>alubutyl sheetsThank you interesting but I like the sound of fans and airflow generally I find it comfy. I do have a panel of charcoal air filter that I have intended to experiment with but have yet to bother.
>>110249739If you like the sound of fans and airflow, mass loading and deadening removes all excess vibrations from motors and hard disks in addition to coil whine and just leaves you with the sound of pure air gusting under ideal conditions. 2-3mm of butyl and 5mm of foam should be sufficient to achieve this affect, though if you have room you can go thicker for some areas.
>>110249704samefag oh you would need a clock on your sxm extender too and then map the memory onto the memory of the GPPU and then you would need to write a kernel and drivers, it would be very different to a PC because you mwouold be divising everything into micro tasks in parallel. It would be kind of cool though an OS wheer every calculation was via vectors
>>110249753Basically just take some material like this and layer it, the larger the case the more this benefit stacks.
>>110249753I actually have that rn with thsi box my fren just the sound of the air rn my feet are nearly to cooled I may need to fire up an LLM or a gayme to warm my feet a bit ccase ;lid sideways fan over the GPU really works though amazingly well, just blowing air out though the case lid that has a grid of 5 mm holes in it. pic for you. I did it for a wierd reason, I had no spare 92mm fan at hand the day I wanted to finish that machine so just pulled off the lid and did a grid of holes in a 140 grid and them bolted the fan using m40s and washers and hacksawed them backa nd plugged it into the spare cpu fan header. It worked so well I then painted everything with black acrylic and left it as it worked so well. No matter what I do to it the cpu never gets over 50 and the CPU even beating the shit out of it stays under 70 even at peak. Under decebnt looad like a gayme the CPU sits in the 40s and the GPU just over 60. I would not know this and still be doing front to back fans and all that bullshit unless I had been missing that 92mm fan on that day.
>>110248466Noctua's developing a successor for that cooler, won't be out until late next year.
Old be quiet cases were literally built for the mirror's edge soundtrack to be played while you worked on them. I hope I'll still be able to get another dark base 900 in this condition in the future for another system, I should have gotten this back in 2019.
>>110249908>mirror's edge soundtrackIt really is pehomenal how far companies like DICE collpsed when you lookback on what they were doing on xbox 360 hardware https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-U0HdlcN4A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evJ6gX1lp2o
>>110248000Noe we must have gaymes for 14 year olds that are simulated walking with AI gay groomers in zelda outfits where you get the molestation grove in DLC and the drugged and traded to a pedo gang expansion pack in a steam holiday discount .
whenever i'm trying to play a newish game, or even older stuff like squad, i always find that my cpu is a big bottleneckbut i can't just upgrade it because first i need a better motherboardbut i also can't upgrade that because i'd likely need a new cooling systemlife is pain
>>110250066what cpu/mobo
>>110250092i5 7500H270-Gaming 3and the cooling is some liquid coolermaster thingy that when i tried to buy a new mobo i found out i couldn't because the cooling system has a weird socket that was incompatible
>>110249594I've thought about drilling a space for my fan into my aluminum sidepanel under the gpu, but it would fuck up the delicate balance of airflow i have.
>>110250066>>110250111You can buy a cheap am4 board, keep the ram, get a cheap air cooler, and slap a 5700x or 5800x3d on there and it will be way better.
>>110250066I don't even know what you mean by squad. The only games i use in benching as a QA on my own shit are days gone and cyberpunk 2077. The last gamne I actually enjoyed playing on a PC was the days gone on PC which is probably the last really good game ever made.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3WIgeN2rok
>>110250161how much money is that gonna be thoughalso i've never used a ryzen processor, kinda scared
>>110250176Squad is a UE5 game. UE5 rapes CPUs & GPUs.>>110250184Used B450 $60, air cooler $30, ram you keep is free, 5700x $170
>>110250184you can find used am4 systems without ram for cheap. look for a b450 or b550 board with a 3000 or 5000 gen cpu.
Is now a good time to upgrade your CPU if you are still on DDR4? I'm using a 3600X and I'm not sure whether to go X3D or Intel, the 5800X3D is a bit expensive for what it offers.
>>110248000Local and soverign uncensored AI and cloud datacentre corporate AI>We are not the same
>>110250184On eBay people are selling mobo+CPU combos for dirt cheap because they are upgrading to something else.Also there's nothing to be scared about AMD CPUs they are x86_64 like Intel. To the computer they are basically the same thing.
>>11025020814600k matches 5800x3d in gaming and is better in everything else all whilst being cheaper. you would have to buy a new mobo though so it would be more expensive overall
>>110250111>He didn't buy during the favorable 2023 - mid 2025 marketIt was literally a "never again" moment for storage & memory manufacturers.
>>110250224be wary of 14th gen i7s that are not T and AM5 used or possibly used CPU and board bundles both have shittly shitty problems potentially and are nto worth looking at if there is any chance they are used or returns. i5s are fine as are Ts and AMD4. Just more failed electrical engineering consumer buys shit crap like 50 series nvidia cards
>>1102502083600x is still good. X3Ds only make sense if you're chasing after high refresh rate. Like do you have a 240-280hz monitor? Then yes upgrade your CPU. If you're still on 120-144hz then keep your CPU.
>>110250208It's a pick your poison moment from hereon.
>>110250249>3600x is still good.Not used and neither are 14th genb i7, specifically if he buys a board and CPU on AMD5 that some normie had it may well have cooked itself. As with 14th gen i7s that were run before bios updates fixing the voltage issues which will be a lot of them. Stay away from that crap.
>>110250249I have a 240Hz monitor and a 5070. >>110250226I can get a B760 with decent VRMs/connectivity and a 14600K for about 25$ more than what a 5800X3D retails here from the looks of it.
just going to put this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K44FHmm55VA
>>110250263If there's a shortage that will go on for years then I kind of just what to max out what I can get with a DDR4 platform, seeing as 16GB of half decent DDR5 costs 250-300 bucks here it'd cost me probably $1500 at least to match my current capacity.
>>110250282both had overheating problems rampant everywhere and they were bad ones as was the intel 14th gen i7 grief, the used market for those is riddled with shit that is not worth owning due to those well know problems so it is better to avoid it. Used it is all basically worthless as a buyer unless it is coming from somewheer you can defnitely return it to.
>>110250299>65W>overheating problems
>>110250270Get the 14600k then
>>110250305You know exactly what I am talking about. Are you seelling these used or something. Come on now. Don't be a cunt.
>>110250308I would not take a used 14600K or AMD5 for free. Unless you know what happened to it and that's possibly very bad in both cases they are not worth the effort of looking at.
>>110250311yeah no. the 5700x is what the 5800x should have been.
>>110250319Well eBay has world class buyers protection. If it dies early you get your money back. If it dies years later then oh well the shit cost as much as a switch lite which is nothing.
>>110250324>>110250319>>110250308>>110250305>>110250319>Unless you know what happened to it and that's possibly very bad in both cases they are not worth the effort of looking at.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcTGRy1qQzs
>>110250270>I can get a B760 with decent VRMs/connectivity and a 14600K for about 25$ more than what a 5800X3D retails here from the looks of it.id get that over the 5800x3d then tbqh
Be aware that there's an unhinged, paranoid schizo with a low-testosterone 14400 shitposting in these threads.
>>110250378>14400
Advanced Micro Devices
>>110250378
>>110250403Wait a minute... AMD... AzuManga Daioh...
>>110250378I fairness I actually have a mulitiude of vans and goons waitng to eat me pac man style. Later.
Today I will remind themhttps://youtu.be/IrRf-sc13bk?si=Y4Ky4tBQqCaotcYb
>>110250382>>14400>>110249851
>>110250319I'm looking at 14600K retailing at MSRP right now.
>>110250373The downside is I get less ports and pcie lanes than my X470 board with that B760 unless I can make due with 4 SATA ports and two PCIe X1 slots Beyond The GPU. Looking at the gigabyte and MSI gaming series B760 offerings.
>>110250479>I'm looking at 14600K retailing at MSRP right now.>>110250319>I would not take a used 14600K or AMD5 for free. Unless you know what happened to it and that's possibly very bad in both cases they are not worth the effort of looking at.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PEkoVCdMRc
new bread nigga
>>110250467Fag Fuckers content doesn't belong in here.>>110250528This thread can slide all the way down to page 10 before a new one is needed.
>>110250467posting tracking links should be a bannable offense.
>>110250220>Vidya?>I am frying my brain from AI gooner shit instead!How does that help the human race? You are worse than trannies
>>110250706>How does that help the human race?>>110249231>Cyber-Tiel-Coder-35B-A3B-UD-Q8_K_XL>>110249206>Who the fuck wants censored fronier models that flag you as a bad person if you ask the wrong thing about coding?
>>110250706>AI gooner shit>>110250706>>: Abliterated models like CyberTiel are able to say and do things other models refuse, including potentially harmful behaviours. By using CyberTiel, you agree to take full personal responsibility and liability for your use of it, its behaviour and generated content, and to show caution: it is entirely up to you as the user to ensure your use of CyberTiel is legitimate, legal and harmless, and that the model is safely sandboxed and monitored when running. Much like a knife, abliterated models like CyberTiel can be classified and used as either a tool or a weapon, depending on the context and use case.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nacUa3UQQb0>>110250639NTA but youtube links that are stripped down to just the video id are not tracking links
>>110251077>NTAbut you're a retard all the same.
>>110251148The SI stands for super intelligence
>>110251148That may be. That may be.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsVziFEWLlM
>>110251158When I wateched that announcement my takeaway was it stood for Senile Idiot.
>>110251158"Geoffrey Hinton called Donald Trump a "corrupt, senile felon." The remark came as Hinton discussed Trump's push to replace the term artificial intelligence with "super intelligence."Hinton argued that Trump's use of the technical term showed he understood "almost nothing" about AI. He explained that researchers have long used superintelligence to describe systems that surpass human intelligence. Simply renaming existing AI, he argued, does not give those systems such capabilities.The criticism follows Trump's recent campaign to rebrand the technology. He also warned that people who refuse to use his preferred terminology would be considered "THE ENEMY". His administration has also promoted greater industry self-regulation rather than additional federal safeguards.Hinton strongly rejected that approach. He compared allowing AI companies to regulate themselves to industries designing their own safety warnings. The computer scientist has become one of the prominent voices calling for stronger oversight since leaving Google in 2023.Hinton also extended his criticism to Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Marc Andreessen and Peter Thiel. Hinton characterized the three tech figures as holding anti-democratic views and claimed they believe powerful individuals should exert greater control over society while viewing Trump as useful to that goal. Those were Hinton's characterizations, not established findings."
I need a passively cooled GPU to act as a display out into the bios for fan testing what's the cheapest one I can get second hand?
>>110251376anything you've already got laying around with disabled fans?
>>110251376>I need a passively cooled GPU to act as a display out into the bios for fan testing what's the cheapest one I can get second hand?try a gt1030 2gb ddr 5 because you may find another use for it if you get it with a low profile bracket as well in a SFF, otherwise a 710, 750ti, 1050 even a Radeon HD 7450 1GB, if you can find one a 970 would be useful for retro dual boot win7/xp All of these should be pretty cheap
>>110251376oh passive Asus GeForce GT 710 2GB or similar
>>110251376gt gpus from nvidialow end rx gpus from amdintegrated gpu on your cpu
>>110248000You're right that Gayming is largely a waste of timeHowever, you're absolutely naive if you think AGI will make life better for humanity
>>110251376GT730. Some even have two full size display ports for $15. Annoying part is shipping and if you need dp-hdmi converters. The system I'm using one on has more cost in the adapters than the card itself.
>>110251628why not the ASUS GeForce GT 710 2GB GDDR5, 4× HDMI
>>110251390Quadro k4000 still gets hot enough idle
>>110251683maxsun GEFORCE GT 710 2GB Low Profile Ready Small Form Factor Video Graphics Card GPU Support DirectX12 OpenGL4.5, Low Consumption, VGA, DVI-D, HDMI, HDCP, Fanless Cooling (2GB) 54 dollars new on amazonHDMI + VGA + DVI-D
>>110248000> achieve AGI for the betterment of humankindAI is just another tech that will make the rich even richer and you even poorer. And AGI won't be achieved anytime soon, definitely never based on LLM, if you define it as intelligence that has real understanding, knowledge of causality, perception and ideas. Even without being sentient.
>>1102517001)There is no such thing as AGI is a bullshit PR term and hype2)LLMs are not and never will be intelligent3)>>110251700>just another tech that will make the rich even richer and you even poorerlike the wheel?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdR7WW3XR9cTHat does not mean ML and even LLMs canbnot be useful in niches but LLMs in particular are flawed in hallucination and lossy compression of training data and subsequent incomplete recall. None of this equates to any kind of intelligence whatsoever, neither does it make ML useless, LLMs are a mixed bag they can be somewhat useful when given RAG but they are ultimately plagarism machines that have zero intelligence and just are a number picking the probablity of the next token at heart. However using one may beat e.g manually fingering and metasploiting given that is just a macro recorder like task to begin with. Datacentre LLMs are a fucking joke. Spyware and copyright hypocrisy at it's peak as well as financial and investor fraud.
>get memed into replacing my 2080ti>get a 9070>gen5 PCIe >"Lol bro it's the same as 4 don't worry about it.">Turns out it's not>Gen5 pin bed is shorter than gen4 >Have to cut case to seat it correctly I wonder how many of you retards returned "faulty" gpus when the problem was the shorter pin bed on gen 5. I fucking hate modern hardware.
>>110251700"What I look at is in the long term, if you believe, which I do, I believe very deeply that computing, in many ways, equates to intelligence" Dr. Lisa Su, Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of AMD (Advanced Micro Devices)Thjis is simply a lie and she must know it is a lie. It is a lie targetting the stupid and tech illiterate.The reason is quite simplehttps://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/Turing_Paper_1936.pdfWhat they have done is this (again)https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/365153.365168"For in those realms machines are made to behave in wondrous ways, often sufficient to dazzle even the most experienced observer. But once a particular program is unmasked, once its inner workings are explained in language sufficiently plain to induce understanding, its magic crumbles away; it stands revealed as a mere collection of procedures, each quite comprehensible. The observer says to himself “I could have written that”. With that thought he moves the program in question from the shelf marked “intelligent”, to that reserved for curios, fit to be discussed only with people less enlightened than he."QED she is simply engaged in fraud like all the major financial players in the AI ponzi
>>110251837Sounds like your case violates the ATX spec and doesn't let pcie devices sit correctly
>>110251837what
>>110251837>>get a 9070>>gen5 PCIe>>"Lol bro it's the same as 4 don't worry about it.">>Turns out it's not>>Gen5 pin bed is shorter than gen4watch carefully at the end
>runs a 9070xt in a pcie 4.0 board just fine
>>110251851>Pcie4 80x3.91>Pcie5 70x3.00>Reason? Frequency noise LAMO >Reality: nothing uses gen5 capacity so no performance difference Glad I don't have the brain rot. This is pure marketing department bullshit.
>>110251881I'm still angry about ISA support and 5 1/4 inch floppy support being dropped. IDK. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0yBf1JKTw8
>>110251692Found for like a few dollars used, thanks anon
>>110251984Happy fixing dude.
>>110251669only reason it's going hdmi it's because I have an hdmi kvm connected to it.
Behold my very high tech improvised test scenario for case fans.
>>110250623>>110250639>doesn't refute that zen 3 is inferior value compared to raptor lake
>>110252218>doesn't refute his faggotry
>>110252439>>110252439>>110252439
>>110251855SOUNDS LIKE YOUR CASE VIOLATES THE ATX SPEC
>>110250193>Squad is a UE5 gamehttps://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_games_that_use_Unreal_Engine_5I just really don't care now.
