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5070ti is all you need
install linux. i am no longer asking.
>>110252502nyo
>>110252439ram-based BSODs every 0.5-6 months, but ram all test fine multiple timesWHEA calling out possible hardware errors with SSD two days before some of those BSODs, but crystaldiskinfo says disk are fineshould i replace mobo?
>>110252625you should point a fan at your ram if it's ddr5 and high capacity
>>110252625https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/experience/backup-recovery/use-the-system-file-checker-tool-to-repair-missing-or-corrupted-system-filesMight want to reinstall Windows with XMP/EXPO disabled.
>>110252526
Daily reminder that Raptor Lake is better value than Zen 3 and that you shouldn't buy Zen 3, especially the 5800X3D (which loses to the 12900K on DDR4) which gets smoked by 13/14th gen CPUs.
I'm upgrading some guy's computer for extra cash and adding a RAID array to hold a second copy of files they don't want to lose... Turns out it's really expensive to add a hard drive bay to a PC. Pic related: https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/SilverStone-Technology-SST-FS304B-V-5-25-inch-hot-swap/dp/B0DWXMNYMPI have some conclusions.1. Hard drives under €20/tb with less than 10k hours pop up all the time but not having the right computer case doubles the price of 1tb drives.2. It can literally be most effective to sell your current PC case and go get a second hand 2000-2015 era case just to install 3 hard drives next to a fan.
I just found the thing I was looking for on Aliexpress, praise be. Only €15 ???!!! Exactly what I want.
>>110252976I literally bought 3 of the 5 drives bays on aliexpress for a nas I'm building, I think one of them gets here today
>>110252976I need to find a slimline drive caddy of some kind for my ODD cage, which its self is missing as be quiet hasn't gotten back to me about replacement parts...
So what's the cheapest way to use a 9800X3D for gaming right now? What motherboard and memory kit should I use at minimum?
>>110253427a620/1x16ddr5 4800 ram is as cheap as you can go for a good experience, you could technically go cheaper and get a 1x8gb ddr5 stick but i would not recommend that
>>110253427Also, is a 9850X3D worth it over the 9800X3D if it's only 100 PLN more than the 9800X3D? The 14900K also retails at this price.
>>110253427> the cheapestNot good for izzat. Ask for the best!
>>110253445Damn, wish I bought into AM5 at the end of last year or winter 2024 at the latest as I could have easily afforded a top tier system if I wanted to burn my cash. I'm still on Zen 2.
>>110253454the best cpu is always worth it IF you're an enthusiast and can take advantage of the better VID curves in the bios
I wish I took the time to actually understand and find out what Samsung b-die kits were and how to find them instead of thinking it was random chance, winding up with 3200 CL16 Hynix Kits that cannot be tuned. I didn't know you could easily spot them by just looking at the timings listed on the kit.
>case supports 3 fan sizes up top (120, 140, 200)>buy a bigger fan for my case>it winds up being louder than the 120 on intake because the fucking mounting rails for the smaller sizes are in the way so it creates turbulence
I want this...
>>110253633send the designer to gulag.
>>110253728My idea short of shaving the part off is to cover it up the small holes with tape.
>>110253709I just remembered, my next RAM kit was going to be an ECC kit about a year ago.
Feeling pretty stupid currently. I don't know how the SATA/power cables plug into this drive. Seems to have way more pins than I remember. Haven't built a PC since 2016. What am I doing wrong?
>>110253633Corsair's newer cases solved this issue, they call it the InfiniRail.
>>110253980That's IDE retard
>>110254011Legacy connection, right? So this drive is what, counterfeit? I just bought the fucking thing new.
>>110254008Too bad the cages rattle.
Wait, I can buy a 12900K new still? Wtf?
>>110254122would rather have the 14700k for the same price
>>110254011>>110254025The fucked up part is that the serial number comes back as legitimate. But this thing clearly has no SATA connection.
>>110254122Intel is still the majority of the CPU market so they have lots of stock.
>>110254126It's kind of fucked up that 7800X3D and board is about the same that a raptor lake chip and a ddr4 board costs.
>>110252919>Turns out it's really expensive to add a hard drive bay to a PC.it really is not just use sas or fuck it get him an old dell 640 used for 300 bucks he'd be better off
maybe this one goes in stupid questions, idkI'd like to start using SAS drives for storage, on win systemsreading up about controller cards but it's a lot of considerations that are a bit out of my lanesis anyone doing this, and has some recommendations for a relatively cheap (<$100, lower the better, long as reliable) SAS controller card that's easily win 11 compatibleI'd prefer it to have external connections if not both int & extany advice/recommendations appreciated
>>110254218*I don't need RAID btw, not doing RAID
>>110254218>>110254223*also, doesn't need to be this shit ton of connections, I'd like to have the option of an internal SAS to keep connected, but really I'd be swapping the external ones when needed, not keeping a bunch of them connected all the time
>>110254126I'd rather have an i5 14400 but you already know that.
>>110254218LSI SAS 9300-8i e.g dell PERC H330 they are cheap
>>110254271that narrows it down a good bit, thanks
>>110254340I have used these fine in win 11, remember you will need a PSU that can handle it and the right cables. Again if you just want a box of drives and a controller you may find less grief just using an old dell server like an r640
>>110254243Z690 DDR4 and i5-14500 for $300 here I come...
Should i buy a asrock Challenger 9070 XT?
>>110254386the i514400 does low speed ddr5 if you want to go that way
>>110254386yeah you will be ok, in theory it does pcie 5 too btw. It has very low power draw, if you want a freaky consideration check out the 14700T as it did not have the 14th gen issues and is one cpu you can buy used that is 14th gen and an i7 that will be fine
I just upgraded my DDR3 ram from 8GB 2 slots to 16GB 4 slots. When do I start feeling the performance?
>>110254476when you would have run out of memory with only 8gb
>>110254476What the fuck do you use that machine for dude? Notepad? Check out all the tabs you can leave open now aksi you do have an ssd at least right?.
>>110254476try playing a unity game
>>110254476Same hereI'm upgrading from 16 GB 4X4 GB ddr3 to 16GB 2X 8GB ddr4 , but i'm saving for a case and cooler at the moment
>>110254488>>110254495>>110254623Nice, let me check how many notepads I can open now.
>>110254653used to have almost the same build but i had an x6 1090t and a hd 7950
>>110254720It's a comfy system (I dual boot linux). I got the 2 sticks of extra ram for free recently so I just stuck them in there cause it had the space.
>CL36 6000mhz $699>CL36 6400mhz $749>CL30 6000mhz $799>Monopoly moneyI'd like to pick one of these to use with a Ryzen 7 9700x. Everyone online says I should go with cl30 6000mhz if my cpu is AMD but that price difference worth it?I could also just say fuck it and go with an Intel, would that matter at all?
>>110255313intel requires faster memory (7200+) for best performance so probably not a good idea
>>110252439are we back to motherboard necromancy
>>110255412you can just oc those
>>110255412where the fuck do I find 7200+mts ram? the highest I've found around me is 6400 and Im guessing that the 7200 is really fucking expensive?
>>110255481If the chip is Hynix they all can do up to 8000mhz. 6400 and under is just the common point where AMD taps out and there's the least amount of RMAs
>>110255481Some kits have dual profiles for xmp & expo but the storefronts only mention the first profile
>>110255412>>110255494>>110255504Well what if I just go for AMD, will my shit blow its head smoove off if I don't go with cl30 6000? what kinda impact will it have
>>110255523If you get a X3D CPU then you don't need fast ram at all it will be happy with 4800-5600. 6000cl30 is the sweetspot for the platform where you get the most speed and least voltage.
>>110255644could 4800-5600 ram be any cl from 30-40 and still be happy with no impact?
>>110252439gigabyte b850m aorus elite wifi6e iceorTUF GAMING B850M-PLUS WIFI
>>110255680>gigabyte b850m aorus elite wifi6e icei meantB850M AORUS ELITE WIFI7 ICE-P
>>110255667Jedec spec (no EXPO) vs 6000CL30
>>110255667The key thing is that it's dual channel (2 sticks) instead of single channel (1 stick). It gets all the performance from having dual lanes.
>>110255737so CL is fucking worthless and I should just buy low Mts ram for x3d, 6000mts for the rest of AMD and the highest possible Mts for intel?>
>>110255750It all matters but it's subjective to how much it matters to you. Some people literally cannot tell the difference between high hz or low hz.
>>110255750sure
>>110255644>x3dyou literally get 5-10% performance going 6000 rather than 4800 across the board Its not really a deal breaker, if you just goof off on old games and youtube its not really something you should care about
>>110252919>guy's>theyguys' ftfy
5600x3d/rx 6800/4x8gb 3600mhz/256gb boot and 1tb p310If I had to sell it, how much? I like having it as a back up but it’s kinda just collecting dust
you literally will never be able to tell the fps difference between different ram speeds unless you have two systems next to each other WITH the fps overlay on
>>110255925you wont get more than a grand for that
Okay, so if stocks and tech stocks continue to get hammered like they did with the great depression and the dot com bubble, will that even have a positive effect on pc building, or will it even effect the new anticipated PCB shortage? Someone explain it like I'm a decent person who only invests into the material economy please
>>110255313Get the cheapest memory you can find if you're tight on cash, especially if you don't plan to manually OC it.
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>>110256125
>>110256085RAM & storage prices won't ever go down to 2023~2024 levels.Even if private companies are less willing to expand data centers and whatnot, sovereign nations are building up their AI capabilities.You see all these public news about Claude AI or ChatGPT hacking websites, governments want superior hacking & surveillance capabilities.
>>110255797>>110256062its near impossible to tell the difference because everyone has Freesync/Gsync on. The hz is always changing. Watching a video means you are now at 60hz or whatever multiple of 24.
>>110256130
>>110256125>>110256130how old is this because 9070xt on current day drivers destroys 5090 in cs2
>>110255523> what kinda impact will it haveIt will definitely destroy all your izzat and self-respect.Apart from this it hardly makes a difference.
>>110256252two days but he test on max settings instead of comp settings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u1u6nf8-lk
>>110256259it will have a noticeable difference on non x3d cpus. on x3d cpus the difference is so small you need to run a graph to tell.
>>110256252according to who
>>1102562785090 gets P1s below 300fps9070xt is 400+cpu overhead is nvidias kryptonite
>>110256333cpu overhead is fine wine5090 will be 70% faster than the 9070xt when the zen7 13800x3d launches
>AMD>IntelWhat side is /g/ on?
>>110253709hynix 24gbit m-die is pretty disappointing for OC. 2x32gb 16gbit hynix a-die can run way tighter timings and give you more capacity than single rank 2x24gb 24gbit hynix m-die
>>110256343whatever gives me the best value for money, imagine being a slave to a brand
>>110256352AMD GPU disappoint me twice. I never going back to AyyMD again
>>110256345I already have an A-die kit. @ 8200 MT/s
oh so it was him, my bad i thought it was a real human bean
>>110256340>fine wine>have to get a new bottle of wine
>>110256343currently intel
>>110256362that's ideal if 32gb is enough for you. i acquired a hynix m-die 2x24gb kit last year and put it back into the closet when I saw how loose its secondary and tertiary timings were in bz's easy timings
>>110256340nvidia has the gpu power but they just cant into cpus. amd makes cpus and know how schedulers work. radeon has a hw scheduler while nvidias is software.
>>110256445nvidia gpus have a hardware scheduler called the GSP but it's only turned on in linux
>>110256069Not trying to make profit desu, even $900 would be nice but I’m in a retirement town so no real demand for ts
>>110255925This is why I tell people to upgrade.
How relevant is 5V load regulation and ripple for DDR5 stability? Seems like the impact of how hard you can push your RAM is basically in this order>dual vs single rank>memory ICs (A vs M die of various sizes)>memory controller>board compatibility (memory layout, PCB layers, trace quality)I've always wondered if some of the variability for DDR5 ram stability was PSU power delivery, since DDR5 directly pulls from the 5V rail and isn't using stepped down power from the motherboard. Shit's weird
>>110256343Intel because cheap and BETTER boardsIronically the thing championed by AMDrones but that doesn't matter anymore.
couldn't get my hands on a 5070ti a couple weeks ago because the gpu-pocalypse started to rev up big time, ended up getting a very solid used asus proart 4080super for 1400 usd. how'd i do? i feel like it's worth it because i intend to use it for many years to come, i don't game super often. i do high quality video editing but i do want gaming capacity, i gotta be able to play starcraft 2030 on ultra baby
>>110256636It's stepped down with the PMIC on the DIMM itself.It's honestly hard to say if 5V makes a difference.Modern PSUs are DC to DC so ripple is usually insanely low, power demands are also pretty low with maybe 15w max so huge transients shouldn't also be a problem to cause any under or overshoot.The PMIC itself likely matters more than the 5V rail. Kinda like how a perfect 12v rail won't make up for a shitty CPU VRM. The last voltage conversion step is what matters.
I took my old machine, cleaned up the cables, added some new LED fans and an A5000. It's going to be my Openhands Clanker. It's going to have unrestricted sudo
>>110256683Ouch...
Well it only took 21 years (Bulldozer amirite) but I am no longer a WaitfagHad some m2 drives I bought when prices just started going up.What cheap monitor to get while I Just Wait for 2027 4k stripe OLEDs? Would turn it into a 2nd monitor then.https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Zc83W9
>>110256777get an LCD display (whether IPS or VA) so that you can use it as a static display monitor without risk of burn-in when you go dual monitors
>>110256777>>110256786>27 inchDell S2725QSAOC U27G4>32 inchnothing good
>>110256786Been on IPS for decades so thats a good idea.>>110256803will check thanks
>>110252439Some guy here 3 years ago recommended the LG C2 42" OLED TV to me as a main monitor. It's getting burn in now and for obvious reasons, getting anything LG now sounds like a bad idea. I still want something 42" or so to replace it, but I'm not sure what the alternatives are. I should probably get off OLED but I like color quality it offers.
is $280 good value for a 5800x3d?
>>110256934lg c6 or s90f/s90h are the only 42 inch oled tvs
>>110256629What do you mean? I built this out of a spare ddr4, mobo and psu. Damn schizos in this thread
>>110252439how did you get this photo of my bedroom floor
Another day another Tv pill
>>110257206>well gee, i wonder why the TV is always brighter than the monitor>hmm, the TV uses 100watts, interesting>the monitor uses about 30...>huh, look at thatwhatever could be the cause of this mystery?
>>110256934>It's getting burn in nowany pics? do you have panel delamination and dying pixles on edges?>I should probably get off OLEDwhy? anything especially large is DOA as it's huge slow VA panels and the like and will pretty much be pure shiti c5 42" on sale here was like 500 euros but a c6 would be better dithering and shit with the new chipand even better would be c6 48" or something because it has tandem panel and better colors and brightness but it has tons of bugs with pc use still (see displayguy on youtube latest video)BUT even better if you can cope with 55" size an s95h for qdoled or g6 but 55" is quite biggereven a 32" 240hz qdoled would be better than the c2 at this point>>110257232oled monitors are closer to 100w lol tvs way more if im not mistaken they draw power like crazy compared to an edge lit lcd
Best overall 80-100in TV?
>>110256934I have a LG C1 48inch with no visible burn-in. Skill issue to auto-hide taskbar i guess
>>110257239if you consider 77" to be 80" then s95h because qdoledif you consider 83" to be 80" then g6 or s95h or s95f becaused all these are tandem woledsabove that probably the bravia mark 9 ii or some other miniled slop they are VA tvs slow as shit for gaming
>two week build delay because of a fucking CPU COOLERHAHAHAHHHAA
If you think about it computers are still cheap relatively speaking. Cars are much more expensive.
>>110257397Ok, I've thought about it. PCs are not cheap.
>>1102573972 5090s cost more than a car
>>110253709>24gbWhy tho?
>>110257431As a non-binary person, i need non-binary ram
>>110257397>>110257403>>110257418
>>110257397if you think about it cars are cheap relatively speaking, yachts are way more expensive
>>110257445haha nice
>>110257458Why list it on ebay of all places though
>>110257397Computers are a household appliance.
>>110257397For how many hours an enthusiast can spend using a computer, they're pretty cheap.It's hard to beat them on an hourly rate.
Considering building a PC but I am completely cluesless about it. Is 9060xt a decent first GPU?
>>1102577469060xt 16gb is alright. avoid the 8gb variant at all costs
>>1102577469060XT is about as powerful as a PS5 Pro in a purely "Do some math" comparison.So I mean it's pretty hard to go wrong with that, at the right price.
>>110257751What about CPU? What should I go for with 9060xt? I paired it with Ryzen 7 5700x but as I said I am mostly clueless.
>>110257676accelerationist radical infiltrated the company
>>110257777are you in the US? the 14600k with a ddr4 motherboard is better than the 5700x
PassMark shows single threaded scores on raptor lake are comparable to zen 5. Why shouldn't I upgrade to raptor lake on ddr4?
>>110257878you absolutely should, but also make sure to enforce intel power/current limits to keep it power efficient
>>110255412I'm running 6000cl28 on an intel 270k plus
>>110255412Not really. Tight timings at 6000 or 6400mhz performs 99% as fast as maxed out 8000mhz+ It's Ryzen non-x3d that needs fast 6000-6400 ram to perform good or risk losing 15% performance
So since I'm new to OLED figured I should ask what you guys do to orevent burnin and whatnot. My AIO cooler is oled so I probably should use more animations on that thing to prevent burn in from the system stats displayed
>>110258144All i do is hide taskbar i cba babying it more
I thought they were supposed to for us gamers amdsissies…?https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ceo-lisa-su-we-are-a-data-center-first-company
>>110258144you shouldn't modify your behavior to prevent burn init's cumulative over time so doesn't matterjust use it eventually you might have faint burn in over time regardlessnot worth even caring about
>5090 prebuilts with 32gb ram now go for 10k>just a while ago 64gb ddr ones went for 6k on salethings are just getting worse
>>110256683lol retard
>>110258144i skip all the nag banners. i also never bother turning my screen off myself and leave whatever i want up whenever i want. i dont have time for retarded made up nonsense like 'burn in'fine for almost 3 years which the end of warranty for most monitors anyway so who cares?
>10k+ 5090s in stores with stock status with many>a full prebuilt is cheaperhow many buyers exist for 10k+ 5090s anyway?cant be any normie consoomers left at that point
>>110258376>>110258305Not worth buying because if you buy one of these the store is required to dox you to the IRS
>>110258246All tech companies are data center first.
>>110255313You won’t notice the difference. Intel can make better use of faster memory though. Also, I bought 6000 mt/s cl36 and was able to overclock it to 7200 with no voltage increase.
Can somebody explain how this is possible? 20 tb for ~500 euros?I am considering buying 2 for data redundancy just because it's WD and a failure of at least 1 of these devices is guaranteed (it still sounds like a good deal)
>>110258461Forgot linkhttps://www.amazon.de/Elements-BWLG0200HBK-EESN-20TB-Desktop-Memory/dp/B09TYZCN61
>>110258246>>110258421Zen6 came out for data centers first. That's what Lisa Su meant.
>>110258398don't even know what you mean by thatman I barely think a 1k gpu is reasoinable for gaming use, but a 10k gpu? it's not even 2x the perf, but you are paying 9k extra at this point?
>>110258500“We are a data center first company, that is our profile, and people need more computing to power all these applications.”
>>110258465Average HDDs skyrocketed in price because datacenters buy them in bulk to put in servers. Portable HDD are less affected by this because they're enclosured and nobody bothers to disassemble them to extract HDDs, so they're pretty much stayed for home usage only.This is my explanation, eyeing one of such models myself.
if a 5090 is 10k now will a 6090 launch at a 10k msrp in 2028
>>110258540There won't be 6090. 50xx line is the last one for consumers.
I hoped this general would be autistically numbers-focused and completely devoid of brand loyalty but obviously it had to be the other way around
>>110258554rubin gaymen and rubin datacentershit pro shit are two different skus tho so there should bethey have no incentive not tounless ofcourse htey cancel everything
>>110258636low iq retards have to justify their builds somehow.
>>110258246They aren't. AMD only cares about playstations.
>>110258513Translation: We are a custom SoC first company, that is our profile, and people need more Zen chips to power all these applications
Is this a good purchase? Closest I can find in value is an external seagate 16tb for 399 and a 24tb for 680 but id lose warrenty from shucking
>>110258505>don't even know what you mean by thatif you have the money to pay for a 10K tech item in cash, it's suspicious
>>110258500DC gets to beta test with stepping A0 zen6 on weaksauce N2 while consumers will get performance-optimized zen6 on N2X
>>110258540Watch them release the ""6090"" with midranged GR103/GR104 at $1800 and tech media will call it the best thing since sliced bread and that Jensen loves gamers again for "cutting prices"
>>110258775with drives it's just whatever you can get for what you can pay. just be aware those drives will probably already have tens of thousands of hours use on them already but it's not like that matters much these dayson the plus side hc580 was only released at the end of 2023 so they can only be 3 years old at maximumbut with that drives there's the WUH722422ALE604 and the WUH722422ALE6L4, the one you have supports power disable so it won't spin up unless you tape off the 3.3v pin or disable that wire in your sata cable
>>110258820Im aware of the 3.3v pin thing, i have a molex sata cable i connected a shucked 12tb wd elements to. Its fucking insane these prices, I paid 200 for that 12tb and its over 500 now. I'm deciding between that refurbished ultrastar or picrel to shuck
>>110258798Both DC and Client Zen 6 are on N2P, mobile Zen 6 is on N3P.
>>110252439Whats the best way to get 192gb of DDR5?
>>110259562> the best wayIf money doesn't matter just buy it.
>>110258305I bought a GPU server with 168gb vram worth of 3090s for 10k
>>110259573Thanks my question was just cope I guess *sigh
>>110259614five finger discountreturn fraud
man I regret getting 7800x3d over 9800x3dits like 30w and gets to 75c watching youtubedisabling pbo, eco mode dont impact anything
>>110259562steal it from a data center
>>110259916I told you between the two to get the 9800X3D that money you think you're saving is not worth it, at all
>>110259954its aliexpress so no warrantyI felt the cheaper cost is better if it breaks or somethingzen 6 cpu would nice
>>110259916Just let it cook, imagine crying over 75°C.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_OiEl0ZptE
>>110259965you know how coolers have fans that ramp up when c goes upthis cpu wants to maximize going to 50, then to 75, then back to 50, then immediately back to 75its insane
>>110260026Fan curve & hysteresis issue, not my problem.
>>110260042its having a thermal unconductor on top the cpu issue
>>110260026just set a flat fan curve in that range retard.
>>110260068It's called going to the BIOS and increasing the fan step-up time to ignore sub 1-second spikes.Dumb ass niggers can't even set custom CPU fan settings.
>>110259562Theft
>>110260026other anon is right just let it cookoriginal xbox used to idle at 60c on the dashboard and it was like a single 80mm fan
>>110252439Im searching for a new mouse. Curently using G502 but now need smth lighter. Any good chinese recs, maybe a superlight clone?
If you wanted a cooler chip you should have bought a mac studio. This is the big boy x86 club, if you aren't always thermal throttled you aren't using your hardware.
>>110260217MCHOSE A7 V2 Ultra or the V3 if you can find one.
Most decent motherboards will give you the option to set custom fan [step-up time] and [step-down time] through the BIOS.These are usually set at an overly sensitive stock values, 0.1 second for mine.Nothing bad will happen to your CPU if you raise the fan step-up time to around 0.3 to 0.5 seconds.This means the fan controller will ignore transient boost/thermal spikes, fan RPM will ramp up when there's sustained temperature increase.You can crank the fan step-down time up to the highest value, the fans will react slower to a drop in CPU temps.
>>110259954what's wrong with the 7800X3D?
>>110260237its all bout them boost clocks
Hexagonal meshes are one of the worst fucking things ever invented in a PC case.
>>110257397Not anymore. 5090 is cost as much as a brand new entry level japanese car. H200 costs as much as Ferrari.
>>110260343Can't overclock it, the L3 cache stacked on top of the CPU cores acts as a heat insulator.The temperature issue is a nothingburger for sustained loads.https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/25.htmlRyzen 9000 X3D chips addressed those limitations.
>install new AMD CPU>install the drivers from the chipset auto installer program >AMD GPU drivers instantly start conflicting with my Nvidia drivers Yeah nah fuck that. I disabled the iGPU in bios and wiped all AMD video drivers from my system.
Silent wings 3 offset hack using silent wings 4 Accessories
>>110260557
Are PC parts today manufactured with 'reckless' handling of parts in mind? I feel I should've damaged my motherboard or GPU by now with how careless I am when it comes to cleaning.
>>110260553damn thats crazy
I am reusing a 2tb ssd from my laptop that just died. Rip 2020 razer blade. It sucked but lasted for almost 7 years. I know i got hosed by microcenter on the price but it should be more than enough for the next couple years.
niggas are paying $1500 for a 5070ti
I'm deliberating whether to wait for black friday on amazon to buy. Especially with the ram and storage situation. do you guys think i'd be looking at any significant savings in total if I wait? Prospected build:ryzen 7 9800x3dcorsair vengeance 32GB DDR5 6000 30CLCorsair RM850XWestern Digital Black SN8100Corsair Frame 4000D caseAsus TUF Gaming B850 PlusThermalright Phantom Spirit
>>110260955Don't expect any big savings.
>>110260955is the Thermalright Phantom Spirit enough to cool the 9800x3d? I'm not sure.
>>110261021>>110261021This big fucker? I would hope so.
>>110261021the phantom is THE cooler to cool a 9800x3d. it outperforms most bigger and more expensive air coolers.
>>110261053https://youtu.be/_Bv7Tn4zqRc?t=311
>>110260941mind share is crazy shit
>>110261071it's also good on intel it seams https://youtu.be/aC747Dgdj50?t=1406
>>110261052I have the SE version and it's not that big
>>110260955I'd get another case if I were you. And good luck on finding the ram and SSD. In the current market just get whatever you can get. What graphics card are you aiming for?
>>110261171true but it has seven heat pipes.
>>110261192Shit, I have to find that figurine I received for representation, uhh...
>>110261192is that your pc anon? I currently have a 9600X and was thinking of switching it for a 9800X3D, the cooling being my main concern with the board (B650)
>>110261052>>110261171I have the Non-SE version, it would surprise me if this thing handles a 5800X3D. It's pretty compact for a dual tower cooler, the fan acoustic profile is eh in my opinion. I don't understand why they can't make these dual tower air coolers so that they space apart the fin stacks further to reduce turbulent fan noise, since they're kissing the fin stacks on this cooler. Offsets should become mandatory.>>110261071>>110261091Franky ridiculous to me that the Dark Rock Elite and other 140mm coolers somehow fail to outperform the Phantom Spirit half of the time.
>>110260941noggas are paying $400 for a 5800x3d
>>110261207>is that your pc anon?yes. i run a 7950x3d but i have half the cores (all the non x3d ones ) off. basically a slightly better 7800x3d. >>110261225>Dark Rock Elitei have one of those. i replaced it with the phantom spirit and dropped my temps (and volume) by quite a bit. before that i remounted it a few times to see if the previous owner fucked something up but no.
i'd buy a 1440p oled but the text is just too shitty it sucks
liquidhaus
edge lit oled wtf? you sneaky bastards samshit
>>110260941CRAZY! I paid little more for my 4090.
>>110260383And a Ferrari costs as much as a Learjet.It's a vicious circle.
I still can't tell if RGB Stripe is worth it or not
Post your desktops naked, with internals visible NOW
What's a good guide for NAS building for someone who has no idea how to go about it? Especially without doing any prebuilt stuff since I have some old hardware to use.
>>110258970if it's cheaper and 24TB and you're getting 2 I'd go for those drives, they're CMR anyway
the 5060ti (16gb) is actually a really great 1080p card desu
>>110261276why bother disabling cores? also what's your graphics card? always liked the hellhound series desu
>>110261390do you want a nas or do you want a server
>>110261399If 1080p is your goal just buy a fucking $200 3070
>>110261402>why bother disabling cores?i don't need them for shitposting and gaming. less heat, better performance and less noise. i tried using the extra cores for virtual machines but i don't use those either. >what's your graphics card?hellhound 7900xtx but now i have a hellhound 9070xt
>>1102614168gb isn't enough for games at 1080p with max settings, you'll run into memory stuff pretty soon unless youre only playing older games, in which case just stay on whatever you currently have...
Good job Tim good stuff
Which one of these would you rather use?>Corsair C70>Jonsbo C6
>>110261408Just a NAS, I have no need for a server.
>>110261571C70I don't want sff loud hot cheesegrater case
>>110261589The C70 is so fucking big though, takes up a lot of room
>>110261390https://youtu.be/67KtKoW4IM0
>>110260941>$1500 for a 5070tiIf only
>>110261239Damn and I paid 290 for a 270k plus
>>110261667i better buy that mousepad before it hits $500
>16gbs of ddr4 good enough for 99.9% of games>everyone saying you need ddr5 32gbsWhere's the logic behind this?
>>110261747its good for one game on its ownif you open a tab in a browser at the same time then you need another 16 or the pc will sudoku itself
>>110261747I got 48gb ddr5 just for good measure
>>110261667What's with the tranime branding?
cheapest 5060ti with 16gb still over 1k yeah lol not buying new
just installed a 7800x3d. Reset bios, set up fan curves and expo, reinstalled everything amd related. Is there anything in windows I need to fuck with? I applied a mobo default profile of tjmax 85C, PBO -20 but clocks still fluctuate a lot even at low temps.
>>110262050>reset biosyou better have updated it to the most recent version unless you want the vcore to fry your x3d chip
>>110262050Sell it and buy a Mac Mini with a Geforce NOW subscription.This is our future so better get used to it so its not a shock.
>>110261972just buy the 5060 8gb nigga
>>110261972you might get lucky on the 2nd hand marketbut i think bite the bullet and do it if you can afford it. no one actually knows whether prices will go up or down.
>>110262065yeah I updated the bios a few days ago.
>>110262050>Is there anything in windows I need to fuck with?not really. just make sure that you have the balanced power plan. (x3d chips don't get the ryzen balanced power plan) >I applied a mobo default profile of tjmax 85C>>PBO -20look out for usb/ general system instability. you may have to raise it a bit. >clocks still fluctuate a lot even at low tempsthat is normal
>>110261667>>110260941Was $1500 a bad price for that? I know i didn't get a deal but I dont feel like I was scalped. I probably overpaid a bit on most things but it was convenient to buy from one place at the same time. Everything is just expensive right now and I believe it will continue to go up for a while.
>>110262172I know it's 89 but the mobo default is 85 and I thought i may as well just set it to that because it won't get that hot anyway.>balanced power planI have it on balanced but what's the difference?
>>110262210other power plans fuck with the ryzen boost algorithm. for x3d chips it's the stock balanced one which should be used while for the non x3d chips they have the amd ryzen balanced one which gets installed by the chipset drivers. some of the "optimization" settings that people tweak in their bios (like fixed voltages, fixed clocks, game boost, multi core enhancement, global c state control etc.) also stop the cpu from boosting properly in some cases.
>>110262172>not really. just make sure that you have the balanced power plan.Is this necessary on Linux?
>>110262190just mine crypto with it while you sleep if you want to subsidize the price of it
>>110262249>Is this necessary on Linux?no. the amd firmware + amd pstate cpu driver is built into the kernel and gets controlled by your distros default power profile deamon + gamemode if you use that. all you get is higher idle power consumption by using the high one.
>>110262237cool thanks. Everything seems to be working fine since it does boost to 5.05ghz. I might try a -30 PBO for the sake of it since it seems many of these chips are capable of it.
Things are this bad huh
>could have boughted a 5090 prebuilt for 3.5k last winter>now 5090 prebuilts are 10k and singular 5090s and prices rising>just wait(tm) until enjoying goyslop until 2028>just postpone your life(tm) until further notice because priced out>just wait(tm)>Life Loading.... 1.2% ...
>>110263357>random picture of 18 whreler>random ass bull shit story*shazam* 400+ replies
What the fuck do you guys use your PCs for?I just used mine for playing games but stopped as nothing interests me enough to play it lately. Seems wrong using a $3000 PC to shit post, scroll twitter, listen to Spotify and watch YouTube when a $200 used Thinkpad can do the same exact thing.I think I might throw my desktop out bros..
when does the pain end
>>110263387>What the fuck do you guys use your PCs for?Linux
>>110263387i play Rimworld, Kenshi, Minecraft, Satisfactory, Fallout 4, and some recently-released-3rd-person-action-game on repeat. i used to play atelier every year but they stopped making those.also other than normalfag tier web browsing i erp with my LG (Local Gemma)
>>110263391I just bought some ram so the price should crash now.
>>110263407I thought they were making a new Atelier where you can change the girl into a bbw
>>1102633715090’s were $2500 when I was building a system last January. I could NEVER imagine buying at that inflated price!
>Just built my first Novidia ri~ACK!
where do you guys buy cheap used parts? marketplace and eBay seem to be full of inflationiggers
>>110263419i was being facetious. they havent made an Atelier since Ryza 1 as far as im concerned.
>>110263441Not even the bbw can pull you back? damn
>>110263387make porn
>>110263383lets try it >>>/v/751099485
>>110263371$800 9070xt is all you need
Confused between two cases.Lian li lancool 207 Vs Coolermaster HAF II 500?
>>110263553Whatever fits the shit you want and looks cooler
>>110263553How about being big brained and not spend it on RGB station 3000
>>110263553>>110263582...But since you made me look, don't pick the HAF, because it's shape would presumably catch more dust.HAF has had over the years, and I think i got the worst one, oddly shaped cases which are perfectly designed to be impossible to clean.A perfect case is some kind of box shape that double as a table and has environmental controls.
>>110263605>perfect case is some kind of box shape thatNo fun allowed
>>110263547600$ during last sales now they are 1000$ herenot buying and definately not buying a whole ass pc for that, doesnt have upscaling that worksit's over
>>110263656It's the age of AIDLSS has already been ported to Radeon and fsr4.1 works just fine
>need a dual 5090 pc that costs 20k to enjoy vidya at it's maximum peak (one gpu for rendering and one for rendering dlss5 for 75fps instead of 15 fps)>nothing is worth it unless you are enjoying goyslop at it's peak>we wait>6090 and ddr6 will be the great reset we need>>110263684>fsr4.1 works just finemaybe for blind people
>>110263553Lancool 207 restricts you to psus at or under 150mm long160mm would be a very tight (impossible) fit and 170mm+ psus can't be used in it
>>110263613I mean I am into actual DIY gaming where I don't even buy cases, but because everybody is so brainwashed and have too much money, I need to stoop to other people's level.
I got 3 rx 480s for $20they all work now. the thing is they had been flashed with modded miner bios and only one of them was stable with it.
>>110263387>What the fuck do you guys use your PCs for?Digital art programs like photoshop, illustrator and blender for school and personal stuff at high resolutions Don't really game at all lately
things will get... even worse
>>110263794all the fun is going to be in five to ten year old decommissioned corporate hardware.the good deals right now can be found in anything volta related. grab a v100 or a titan v
>>110263794thanks steve
>>110263387anime, posting on 4chinz, the occasional game and comfyui to shop stuff into goatse/lemon party
>>110263794The constant handwringing about prices just going up should have the opposite effect on people.The constant "BUY NOW" does nothing but benefit whoever is saying it and selling hardware.
>>110263794Steve is so disappointed that gaming is dead
>>110263794they call that "capitulation"
>>110263794This guy becoming the haloBro in chief was the worst thing to happen to gam3rs. I see a lot of actual DIY PC channels coming back though. Maybe people finally had enough.
>got the intel 270k plus>got the 4080 super>got good asus mobo>got 32gb of ddr5>seeing that my video editor really wants 64gb of ram to be pushed to its proper limit>also really need at least a 12tb hdd for storage for all my bsshit, i'll be needing to put at least another 1k in this thing right? the ddr5 32gb is corsair rgb so could i sell that for like 550 and maybe get 64 gb ram for 1k? and then the hdd is probably at least 500also i need a laptop for on the go, at least 500 right? this shit is rough
>>110263862>Oh life so rough huhNo there is nothing rough about that. This shit is becoming parody of itself. gam3r forums are filled with 5090 owners complaining the loudest. If shit was rough, and you actually had sense you'd sell the stuff you don't need and then get back in later.
>>1102638765090 owners upgrade the most frequent so they're hit hardest by the price jewing
>>110263889apparently 3gb memory chips cost 3x as much as 2gb onesreason as to why the 5090 price has skyrocketed in comparison to other cards and also the die being bigger I guess
I could have boughted a 5090, 64gb, 4tb laptop for 4k and been happyat this point that sounds like valueit's getting worse
>>110263939the 5090 uses sixteen 2gb chips. only the 5090 mobile and blackwell workstation cards have 3gb chips
>>110263958I must have missed something in steves vidtfw laptops are deeply discountedmaybe it was regarding the potential 5080 release if the chips cost 3x as much the price will be horrificits over
For real though. Whats the point of /pcbg/ ? Just pause the thread until 2030. Its completely over. PC / Smartphone / Laptop / Consoles are simply unaffordable
>>110263684> fsr4.1 works just fineWhat else could Radeon owners want to believe?
>>110263988plenty of deals on the used market, buying new is for suckers. you eat all the deprecation. let the corporations eat the depreciation and buy their old shit they also weed out all the malfunctioning garbage. by the time it ends up for sale all the crappy shit has been RMA'd
>>110264004Used 5070ti is $1500 to $2000 in my placeIts over anon. Let it go. Just do another hobby. Watch Breaking bad, Watch Gundam, forget about Gayming
>>110264009you don't need a 5070. you can find 3080 for under 500 on ebay.the world has moved on from 1995 when you need to upgrade every year. even 10 year old cards can be useful
>>110264019>12gb Fuck no3090 is better, but then again. Its raised to $2000 in my place due to VRAM size
>>110253427>cheapest way to use a 9800X3D for gaming right now?I bought one of the cheapest B850 motherboard from MSI and RAM with xmp 5200, because 6000 was 40% more expensive, which absolutely did not equal the performance gain.
>>110264038What do you need the vram for? if its gaming you don't need more than 12, even 8 is fine. if its AI you are better getting an old volta card. you can get a 32gb v100 for around 1,000 and that is with custom sxm to pcie adapter and copper heatsink.stop making excusing and being a fucking doomer. plenty of fun projects to be had and things to build for the man with the right set of eyes
>>110264051All purpose card. Gayming, 3ding, Local slopping.
>>110264063You could buy two tivan v for like 700 and that would give you 24gb. or if you have an onboard gpu you can one or two sxm to pcie adapters and pick up one or two v100 either 16 or 32gb and get up to 64gb of vram.for ai usehttps://github.com/1CatAI/1Cat-vLLMwhich will speed up inference on volta architecture
>>110263688>>110263952the 5090 is nearly 2 years oldif you actually wanted one, you'd have bought it back in 2025 or 6 months ago when prices were still normal-ish
>>110264105I got used to technology coming down in price as it got older but now things are going backwards.
>>110264105I know I told regards to buy it seeing at it's the best value gpu, retards didn't listen to meI was not ready to build a new PC I was coping and not committed enough due to several things Considering all fact I probably should have>>110263988I should've boughted another phonePhone and igpu laptop is all really need really is itMaybe not my dgpu laptop at least plays old games if the desire arises Save money and sleep until next hardware release if ever and pray
4090 48gbs are still less than half the cost of a 5090 and has 85% of its performance, it's never too late waitbros
I can't find the 9050 4gb anywhere
>>110264193>it's never too late waitbrosits never to late as long as you wait long enough. the price of the bleeding edge is high cost. as long as you can live with less you can always buy yesterdays top of the line for pennies on the dollar
https://www.bestbuy.com/product/macbook-air-13-3-laptop-apple-m1-chip-8gb-memory-256gb-ssd-space-gray/JCQ6HH2SGV/sku/6489769just bought this for $320 after tax. should i cancel?
>>110264269>buying a computer with a non replaceable ssdyou should know better anon. although i suppose you could pay someone to solder new chips on but by the time the ssd dies the price of that job won't be worth it given the age of the computer.just get a used thinkpad
>>110264281desu i bought it as a gift but after thinking about it i was like wait wtf this is kinda pointless
>>110264287a gift is a different storyit would be fine for your parents or some female. i gave my parents on old imac after installing linux. they love it and i can update it remotely.
>>110264193It's funny that's a "good deal" now
is this really a good deal for $900? i feel like we're all just getting robbed...https://www.bestbuy.com/product/ibuypower-slate-gaming-desktop-pc-amd-ryzen-5-8400f-2024-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5060-8gb-16gb-ddr5-1tb-nvme-ssd-storage-black/J3R75JYR89/sku/6686141?sb_share_source=PDP&ref=app_pdp&loc=pdp_page
>>110264335Sure. in 2016.
>>110264335Considering the insane state of the market it's fine for gaming. CPU stands out as weak to me but I think it's a balanced fit for that GPU. You could be on the lookout for something better second hand, even the next unreleased lineup from AMD will be AM5.I think everything in that PC could be upgraded fairly easily actually
How long until it's over
>>110264449>zoom out>it only dipped 4% on averageits way too early to celebrate, could just be a bear trap for all you know
>>110264456it is too early but microsoft ending their deal with oracle because the chips in their data center are too old is telling.by the time all this bullshit is built the chips they were built with will be close to the age where they are decommissioned.https://www.reuters.com/business/microsoft-is-winding-down-oracle-deal-rent-ai-cloud-capacity-bloomberg-news-2026-11-06/all of this is going to fall apart eventually. the technology is real and will survive but the system and companies built around it currently won't
I was thinking if I could get away with 8 gb ram in gaming on linux by making smart use of zswap and swap on an nvme ssd. I could play wow but marvel rivals was a stutter fest. I then tried 16gb and marvel rivals still had some stutter. Only 32 GB was mostly fine. The problem with ue5 is that most things already seem to be compressed so there is little point in zswap and you are at the mercy of the amount of available ram. Zswap still helps a bit, but it cant salavage the worst case scenario.
>>110264343>>110264417literally not getting it simply because it would cost me $300-400 to add 16gb of ram. what a joke.
>>110264487get yourself a used workstation with ddr4 and 8 ram sockets. you can get yourself 32gb using 4gb sticks for like 15 dollars a stick for ddr4 ecc
>>110264500>>110264500>>110264500
>>110263391should've bought the dip
>>110263553Dark Base 900
>>110262190>Was $1500 a bad price for that?Maybe, i paid 1180 for the frieren at the beginning of October, and even that's already inflated (iirc, 5080 MSRP is 1k)
