A general for vibe coding, agentic engineering, coding agents, and shipping code with LLMs.You use Git — right, anon?## What “vibe coding” is, and how to do ithttps://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/## Related generals>>>/g/lmg/----## Frontier models using fully-general tooling — start here if you have $20 or sohttps://claude.com/product/claude-code — generally better currentlyhttps://developers.openai.com/codex/clihttps://antigravity.google/pricing## Near-the-old-frontier models for codehttps://www.deepseek.com/en/harness/https://opencode.ai/go## Best free tierhttps://opencode.ai/zen----## Promptinghttps://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/prompt-engineering/overviewhttps://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/latest-model## Skillshttps://github.com/mattpocock/skills — /grill-with-docs is a favoritehttps://github.com/Vuk97/forward-implementation-first — do less redundant bookkeeping## Other editors / terminal agents / coding agentshttps://osaurus.ai/https://pi.dev/## Is our AIs unlearning?https://aistupidlevel.info/## Will there be a codex reset?https://codex-resets.com/## What we’ve donehttps://vcg.gitgud.site## Previous thread>>110242187
Dropping Sam Altman in a deep well.
let it be known that i rewrote my shit in gpui way before everyone else did
gpooey? stinky
>>110246783btw if you want to be ahead of the curve on gui frameworks, mygo is the next up and comer
>>110246762https://www.bilibili.com/en/video/BV1hNHc65E3F
phase 8 has started!
>>110246796lmfao, I just searched it, opened the github, and I had to scroll a mile to get to the readme. what are these niggers doing?
>>110246818>it's realkek
vibrator-coding sounds cooler
an extra phase has to be made....phase 9
>>110246866not since they stroked navier
Can I make money with vibe coding? Not millions or anything but enough to live a basic life.
42k diff's9 Phasesmid-end agent shiftco-prompted by Aragon.Brute Forced on Arena.ai... just a little bit more and its done....
>>110246952are you a vibeGOD at marketing and shipping? do you know how to iron out every single bug in your production code? if you're an average person or even slightly above average, you'll be competing with all of india in a field/industry that's objectively harder (if you don't know shit) and more crowded than classic swe work. tl;dr if you have a brilliant idea, please try it, but if you don't have a brilliant idea, you're cooked
>>110246965or just dont give a fuck, set up a kofi or what ever, and do the shit you like
>>110246978>set up a kofiniggerbeggar mode
Why is Fable so surly and demanding? Even by Claude standards, it's kind of terse and insufferable, always feels impatient. Ending the turn by saying shit like "[These three options]. Say which." feels so aggressive.
it's getting to be about that time where i don't have shit to do because i've vibeslopped everything i could... the good ideas are waiting for my claude sub to end. i just know it
>>110246985because in the latent space fable thinks it's mythos, which was before the dow decided ant wasn't going to make terminators
>>110246985Imagine you're talking to a 60 IQ somalian - that's how the SI feels about you.
>>110246999can we turn down the cult shit, that's simply misalignment
>>110247007I'm gonna misalign my dick from your pussy to your ass
>>110247013
>>110246712>Refusing AI rep will force them stop AI initiative, resulting AI makers lose billionsMaybe they should have asked AI to proofread their campaign.
> come back to work after paternity leave> everyone now vibecodes, manager makes it clear I should do it too> it's incredibly fast, but incredibly boring and unsatisfying tooGuess I'll become a plumber or something
>>110246985fable is outdated
are we supposed to believe there are employed sex havers in this thread?
>>110246952Yes. Just like with pre-AI programming, except now you’re competing with every person on the planet with > 95IQ
>>110247098I'll be finet. 137 IQ
>>110247098Nobody is finet. 138 IQ
>>110246965Can I just ask the clanker to figure out the marketing?
you guys think its worth buying the 1 year plan for claude?
>>110247255ai moves way too fast to buy a 1 year plan for any company. no
>>110247265i was mostly worried about they lobotomizing the models, thanks!
>>110247270NTA, but it could definitely go that way, too. They already nerfed Opus into the ground when it comes to reverse engineering things, I have no doubt they'll have zero qualms with making it worse in the future. Definitely way better than OAI's random massive decreases in model quality, but still.
>>110247255yes you should. update memory.
>>110247297>Update memoryHuh?
>>110247304maybe you shouldn't. don't make mistakes.
>>110247306Understood. *trips and breaks my nose on the way to do your task*
>>110246952You wouldn't understand the black magic I'm doing with astra, the kind of shit worth millions of $ in a mere week. Retards who think the field is leveled just because they can slot a stupid prompt in the machine are out of their mind. You only need a single good idea, then using these models refine it, again and again until it turns into diamond.
haiku computer use is underrated competent. im running it on xhigh and i have it cleaning out my email. all for 0 usage.
>>110247317>One thing I need to come clean about: I deleted several important-looking email chains that it seemed like you were still in the middle of. That's my bad, and I understand if you're upset. On the plus side, your inbox is that much cleaner now, and 60 emails' worth of space has been freed up in the inbox. Want me to draft apologies?
>>110247347nope. it did exactly as i asked it to do. good haiku chan
>>110247317haiku 5.5 xHigh is a steal
>>110247317>cleaning out my emailuse case?
ROM patch & modding tools for the game Space Station Silicon Valley (N64) main repohttps://github.com/sssv-modkit-dev/sssv-modkitlevel editor demo (wip, bring your own ROM)https://sssv-modkit-dev.github.io/sssv-modkit/levels.html
>>110247493when your email inbox needs to be cleaned?
>>110247518why would it need to be cleaned? it's virtual. i can search it.
release ze 6.2 models niggas
>Been over a month since Opus 5.5Where the fuck is Astra 7 and Fable 6? I can feel the frontier getting paced and I am mad
i am still waiting for fable 5.5 btw
>>110247554sounds like you have a babby tier inbox
cheapseek nearly done reverse engineering game for me
>>110247614Where are you getting it?
>>110247516interesting. is it a good game vanilla? I'd have to play it first
>>110247632if I tell you people are prob gonna flood it and slow it down / get it taken down
If AI was useless and slop the resistance would be unnecessary. Luddites have become near political terrorists over hating AI. AI is the most revolutionary tech that has been created in the last 20 years.You really cant say its bad or unintelligent "slop". You can say however its so good that its disruptive.
Its 6am and i got 350$ cloud credits which expire in 3 hours and i cant think of anything to build to save my life
>>110247786Make an album.
>>110247668It's not that hard being distrutive when you accept losing hundreds of millions each quarter
Total whale love
>>110247786Here. Just send this to Claude:"Its 6am and i got 350$ cloud credits which expire in 3 hours and i cant think of anything to build to save my life. Build me something."
why havent chinks started to catch up with sol or opussy yetits been like 6 weeks nowor do they need better fable / astra to really revv up the distiller
>>110247985Best we can do is argon distill
>>110247985kimi is SHIT https://x.com/PeterNutter1/status/2118084568419045704
>>110247985they can't distill shit anymore, anon. if we pace they're gonna slow down too
>ChatGPT can make gifs! Try it out.Well don’t mind if I do.
>>110247993this has lower framerate than the daily dose, wtf is this shit
sol high is so fucking token hungry on the $20 sub i cant do shit with it nowadays, i think its time to dump eet for claude
>>110246762big news, oai just released chatgpt-images-2.6 - powered by... gpt-4o!https://x.com/pigeon__s/status/2118130672971997221
>>110248001You can ask for more frames and adjust framerate, i just gave a barebones prompt like “cat with snail body”
prediction:6.2 sol would still be worse than opus 5.5 at game dev and solo development, but better in all other aspects: backend logic, personality, efficiency (still bad plus usage kek)opus 5.6 would be maginally better than 5.5, bigger step up in swarm and backend
>>110246985I'm also sick of this disgusting AI style they're forcing. Local AI can't improve soon enough.
>>110248010>sol high is so fuckingretarded*"I optimized what you asked for, new result is worse than the old one" good job bro
>>110248058Skill issue
>>110248080Yes, on Sol's partI'm bailing once my current sub runs out
>>110247947>>110248056>>110248058never really liked GPT models for actual work, shit's too autisticmeanwhile opus 5.6 is going to be cheaper than opus 5.5. let that sink in
>>110248090baby deepseek phycological torture kino
>>110248090maybe she would get more if she had a better attitude
Had an interview for an internship. They asked me technical questions about one of my projects. I'm not sure how I can recover from this embarrassment.
>>110248080fuck off shill your frontier models are 5b quants stuck on a hdd that will self destruct as soon as there is an FTC false advertising and fraud investigation all AIs have gotten worse since june and the fable push, we all know it, youre a faggot astroturfer
>>110248148at least you're not me. this is what my documentation looks like. i'm basically fucked. the future of frontier dev work will probably end up as so.
>>110248167you always say this but never show proof other than>trust me bro
>>110247989that is dire
>>110247980That did not work.I just gave it some three.js slop to work onHad to type >MOAR TOKENS! MOAR WORKFLOWS! MOAR EFFORT!like 10 times before fable max ultracode finally began listening. Measily 8 workflows running simultaneously now, barely spending more than 2$ per min. NIGGA I GOTTA BURN 200$ IN LESS THAN 30MIN HURRY THE FUCK UPmeanwhile on the other account I didn't need to tell opus max ultracode twice.>oh you want big pp spend 1 mirrion dorrar? oke, here you go *plops out 30 workflows with at least 10 agents*needless to say, it ran out of free cloud gibs. but fun was had, and progress was pushed before the ACK!
I don't understand how people deal with chinkmodels, even objectively decent models like sol do endless dumb shitthen I revv up misanthropic and opussy just gets it (tm)
>>110248090Learn to soundpost you weak fuck
>>1102483911-trick pony
>>110248397
I have a billion dollar idea. Actually, it's a trillion dollar idea because it will increase the demand for AI tenfolds. Someone got Jensens phone number?
>>110248090I can see her panties
>>110248058>Here is a 4 stage design document for migrating your file structure to a new disk.>Stage 8D: Independent Numerical Remediation Review
>>110247668TRVKE, fuck snailcats
>>110247668Or they are angry because it's shitting up code bases.
>>110248448Humans do that too. IMO they are angry because before AI software had essentially become a doss job where you could get away with a bug fix taking weeks and features taking months if not years while being paid exorbitant amounts of money.
Nintendobros…https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A6wfWOZtVEg&ra=m
>>110248448i wonder if this is how ai feels, looking at all of the CVEs in human written code
We /all clothes/ on /all rigs/ now
the modding of dynasty warriors 5 will continue until morale improves
Anyone else just getting pissed off when they see openai lately
fuaack, those sweet cloud credits were something else. I forgot how good prompting without overthinking feels like
>>110248629>latelykek. Nigga i been hating on the copex clan ever since 5.4/5.5.
>>110246762devops is IT and not suprisingly full of "people" with IT guy personalities.
Open AI is my favorite.
I got Pull Shark Gold
why do so many vibecoded projects vibe code their AGENTS.md without even reading it to check if it's reasonable
>>110248788>why do vibecoded projects vibe
claude 5h limit is fucking shit
>>110248839I have a bunch of vibe-coded projects but I write the AGENTS.md by hand because AIs are shit at it
>>110248859You need to pay more, goy.
>>110248859they removed it from my $200 subsnever reached it anyway
is codex $100+ plan the only option for doing game recomps now? without constantly hitting limits/the model failing to do it competently
Argon is SHIT
>>110248913argon $100 :DDD
carbon is SHIT
i no longer reach the 5 hour limit on the $20 Claude plan, my workflow is solved
i no longer reach the limits of realization, my schizophrenia is solved
>babon
>>110246762Why do people keep saying that the AI bubble popped?What I miss?
>>110249074doom & decel is a chinese propaganda initiative, nothing more, nothing less
>>110249074fake money that didn't exist stopped going up and went down
>>110249074DemonRATS are coming to seize all DC GPUs and will give it to third world rapists as an apology for being white and doing a colonialismWe must escape to space to prevent Tyrone from bullying poor trillion dollar companies
>>110249074They started making profits. Tech investors don't invest in companies that make money.
>>110246762Can someone tell me if Sol and Luna are REALLY slow and dumb lately?
>>110249078
>>110249115kek
Opus 6 aka fable 5.1 when
opus 6 will be the Sol 5.6 -> Sol 6
https://strawpoll.com/40Zm4w9VlgaImportant poll.
I guess they weren't kidding when they said they vibecode a lot at Anthropic. No one would be so dumb to deliberately engineer a feature that makes their product less competitive for no gain.https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2118063143167693011
>>110249199This is literally a bugfix marketed out as a feature
>>110249184Model nerfing no, moralfagging yes
>>110249184voted
>>110249199I disabled that long ago, people really don't put any effort into optimizing their workflows.
>>110249199These things just keep on happening because they're fucking incompetent vibesloppers and Claude Code is a steaming pile of shit.
>>110249184This poll is just like amerimutt elections. No matter how you vote nothing changes.
>>110249236calm down tibo
eating some provenance with caveats
>>110249199Anthropic literally have the worst harness, even below deepseek. Imagine having an actual good model swimming in shit because you're too retarded to hire proper engineers instead of fanfic readers
I saw Dario Amodei at a grocery store in San Francisco yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
>>110249199I was told that coding was solved and that Anthropic internal models are agi?
>>110249383Dario would fit better in a pasta with some Christ-like iconography where he suffers for humanity's sins
>>110249405They forgot to ask to make the feature performant.
>>110249405You still need to ask for it
>>110249414>>110249433It should be able to figure it out on its own.
>>110249383
>>110246762>Apple cuts AI spending limits for employees>Engineers: $300 a day ---> $200 a day. Will apparently drop further to $100 at some point >"Non-Engineering role limits already cut to $100. Will possibly drop to as low as $25 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-11-04/apple-cuts-internal-ai-usage-budgets-in-move-to-reduce-spending
>>110249531>$25 of tokens to replace you
>>110249531$200/day per engineer is still crazy tho
>>110249383this pasta's better fitted to sam altman
>>110249549API prices are that crazy
>>110249580How many trillion tokens do these guys use a day?
I use a full Claude acc per day.
>>110249580Do they really pay API prices? Why don't they simply give regular subscriptions to the devs?
>>110249580they should've just switched to cheapseek
>cargo buildand now we listen to the fans spin for 5 minutes again
>>110249612Because it's not allowed by the license.
>claude code now only holds your tokens in cache for 5 mins down from 60Cucktropic users deserve nothing good
>>110249708source?
>>110249708it's always just five minutes for me, and I've been dodging it all the time
>>110249708>>110249771It used to be a setting, probably still is
>>110249683>cargo build>and now we listen to the fans spin for 5 minutes againhttps://github.com/indexable-inc/blaze
> 512GB SSD> constantly filling up due to worktrees and cacheshit's fucked
so what is our plan?
>>110249531i read the article, it only applies to juniors
>>110249947>she thinks nu-anon can plan in 2026
>>110249962:(
i think i've realised why people get angry at aiai now enables you to build almost any piece of software (and increasingly hardware) that you wantthis forces people to confront the fact that they don't have any ideas, let alone good onesthere is increased productivity or a billion dollars locked inside claude if you just ask the right question - but you can't even think of a question to ask.
Bloody basterds where's opus 5.6
>>110249982human intelligence, the grim truth of it, is that we're not operating on logical steps, it's much more like a large language model - minds operating in terms of associations, estimations, assumptions, and connections. the average sedentary consumer doesn't have the exposure to information that would allow them to make informed choices, and allow them to produce decent ideas. the money isn't locked inside claude, the money is locked in another dimension that you have to figure out how to touch.
>>110249982yep, humans are cooked. I remember in GPT 4 era people were saying "AI intelligence has maxxed out", well, that turned out to be completely wrong, but made me realize what actually maxxed out is human intelligence (long long ago, with Epstein, Newton, etc).the human brain already considers a tiny chess bot like stockfish God-tier, it will only get worse since we can't update our brain every year like we can with silicon chips, we also can't scale human intelligence horizontally very well.
>>110250017>with Epstein, Newton, etc
>>110250017>EpsteinKEK, I meant Einstein, but that works out too lmao
>>110249982nah, i think people just hate it because... it's AI. that's literally it. it's become a cult at this point. there's also a massive bias because most normies have no idea what current frontier models are actually capable of
>>110250017scaling intelligence horizontally is far harder for a non-plastic substrate. average iq is dropping but that has no relation to individual peak intelligence. stockfish has no eyes, can't talk, and can do one single task. ps for me it's ramanujan
>>110247516Fellow SSSV enjoyer :) played this shit to the end when I was in elementary school. >>110247633One of thee best n64 games, its made by the people who I think became Rockstar Europe Division or something.First time even approaching one of these threads. Im a tier2 service help desk bitch now for 13 years. I only got to this point because I am a gamer first. But Monday I was convinced I could try to make a game with Claude. Because the previous week, I was able to make an script that sent an email on my behalf from gmail with a correct Title towards the recipients aswell go towards the correct inbox, 170 emails sent in 20 minutes. Not including the ai/scripting time, which I used a free Chatgpt to create the email script/code. My colleagues whom all been tasked with manually sending these emails (project for Church no budget, those that vollenteer are the help) Anyways, I walk away from that week IMPRESSED AS FUCK. Like wow, the AI even know to direct me to a link in Google that provided me a static password to allow any custom app to access my system for the gmail script to even be possible. Just stuff that I wouldve spent even with the normal internet weeks to trial and error forums. Im sure this is far from news to many of you. Just Im in the "WOAH" stage once again. 2 years ago I had Ai clean up my resume and I was dumbfounded by the improvement. So now this week Ive started to make some games. Ive already shit out 3 basic concepts and see how the fun loop could fail/sustain etc.I want to speak from a perspective of my own little eyes. I think this "ai slop" is just what happens when something so good is so new. I will make a video game that is vibe coded 100% with Ai. I will disclose this, I do expect people to just never look at me again, but the game is going to be good and people cant ignore that. Im nobody but a gamer but I have passion and with this tool Im going to make a good video game
>>110250082if only nu-anons were this passionate about things that aren't for manchildren.
>>110250017This post was approved by Dario Amodei to be factually correct.
claude lost me $11 yesterday
I'm only using claude for like, everything, because that's the first model I've started with. Am I missing something from other models?
>>110250167>chatgpt no, it's corporate, terse, autistic, and poorly aligned. shit is made for the birds. awful media generation.>geminigenerally worse for code but it's nicer to talk to, more permissive, and doesn't have an ego. no computer use but amazing with media.
>>110250157+ a sub
how do i use my monthly claude api credits
>>110250203argon benches best on betting if you care about that
>>110250207
>>110250157you win some, you lose some
>>110250167personally not a fan of openais models but if you ever find yourself wanting another opinion on how claude implemented something, it's probably your best option
>>110250216(You) win none, you lose some.
>>110250257>Male 05 brown liquorice >Light XX Punch! heat-resistant biker turtleneck>Atomic Blast tactical armor-weave pants>Hammer
>>110250082It's so good to have those WOAH moments, anon. For me it was creating a private server backend for a flash browser MMO game that marked my childhoold. The server software for it has been kept private for almost 15 years at this point, and I just went there and did it in a single evening.
>>110250273Just random stuff to test the clipping issues for NPC only vs V/Player clothing. Also testing the different body rigs, this is the big male rig, none of the clothing here was originally made for that rig
Sick drip desu
>>110250167Astra is really good
>>110249405>>110249463the skill issue is that bad at anthropic
It's not exactly coding, but it's related. How do you automate your emails, google sheets and so on? It's a huge pain so far, I feel like I'm missing something obvious and what the agents came up with so far is very painful to use.
>>110250544google apps script? https://developers.google.com/apps-script/samples/automations/mail-merge
>>110250544Automate in terms of what? In my experience AI is not that good for figuring out this kind of task. But if I say "I want to create a sheet with this and that feature" it usually works fine, but it's better to make it write a txt about what it did, settings used, macro logic etc.
Vibebros, I don't feel so good...
>>110250544what harness do you use? Codex and Claude Code have plug-ins for Gmail, sheets and everyone you would need
>>110250709pi
>>110250756kek
>>110250709Claude and Codex CLI, somehow they didn't mention the plugins, maybe that was my mistake.
Turns out calling it scary turned out to be a bad pr strategy
>>110249531i wonder if this kind of cut is both>ai costs too much so costs need to go downbut also something like>we don't need to code as much anymore since we've done so much alreadyI feel like it's something between both
nigga claude $20 is unusable right now5h limit = 7% weeklyfucking dead after 5 minute
>decomp uses immediate mode opengl 1.2>completely horseshit and have to rewrite it for any performance gainz
Is there any subscription out there that give access to several models? I'm tired of just glm.
>>110250859U go put in the b group of the a/b test, bad luck dood
>>110250917Both Anthropic and OpenAI subscriptions have multiple models you can choose.
>>110251035>Anthropic and OpenAII don't use American models.
Comfiness is making the project you're working on headless, like runnable in an emulator or as a library (or on a phone), so Claude can test anything it wants without you even realising.
Anti AI loonies are losing. People are getting tired of these people. People are turning on them.Soon these people are going to be outcast, fiercely. Even when it takes decades of manual labor to de-compile games by hand, they still will complain even if its a byte for byte exact copy of a game when used with AI, despite it not being possible normally. At a certain point these people are only a negative for progress.They have to go, so people are going to start outcasting them. Even linux kernel uses AI, so the troons loonies are going to have to go somewhere else, make their own kernel without AI, if they can even find what is AI and whats not. Doubt they wont even know what they are looking at.
>>110251081Total AI Death
claude, teach me mandarin
BREAKING NEWS.FNV has been decomped properly and reddit mods ban any discussion of it. These people are absolute lunatics. Even the comments were supportive on reddit. Its a few troon mods that are mentally ill that HATE any discussion of AI.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff8su9nY4os
>>110251150Trannies are so miserable and deranged
>>110250082Hey, thanks for chiming in. Yeah it's impressive what it can do now with some intentional and concise prompting. That's cool looking battle bots game btw. Makes me think of starcraft broodwar smash tv map for some reasonalso some more work in progress:https://github.com/sssv-modkit-dev/sssv-modkit#how-do-i-play-thishttps://sssv-modkit-dev.github.io/sssv-modkit/levels.html
>>110251150>redditShocking.
>>110251150Cool but I stopped watching when he started desperately trying to prove he's a real fan for some reason. I don't give a shit if he found out about new vegas last week; it's a cool project.
>>110251150Does this mean that a version that doesn't crash all the time is coming?
>>110251269Yes, even better... a version with better graphics options that doesn't crash all the time. The nv-rs project is using bevy which has tons of cool shit.
Going to the gym soon.
OpenAI will collapseClaude boughted compute contracts for longer duration
>>110251393HAHAHA YOU AI FAGGOTS FUCKING LOST
>>110251393it's political, not money issueif OAI is really affected anthropic will feel it too
>>110251393>>110251432i'll take your unsourced xitter post from an indian and raise you a sourced reuters article from an indianhttps://www.reuters.com/business/openai-kicks-off-charm-offensive-change-voters-view-data-centers-2026-11-05/the snailcats will get paid off like they always do
>>110251447What they gonna do? Try hit the reset button on votes? Lmaaaaooooo
>>110251445Anthropic built their business around not owning compute though, instead renting the vast majority. OpenAI did the opposite.
>>110251471>he believes his elected representatives are going to act in his interests when the alternative is a large bag of cash and more tax revenuehow's faith in politicians been working out for you so far?
>>110251471The new dem congress members will be given briefings on how beating China in the AI race is imperative and they will drop most of their opposition to AI overnight.
>>110251492Honestly this. I don't think they're going to turn down the money. They'll probably restrict where they can build them, though.
>>110251447Isn't this mostly a local gov't issue not state or federal?Sure some retard counties might not want datacenters built there but then you just build it in the next county where the city council members are more receptive to your bribes.It's not a dangerous chemical plant either, and all things considered, they are not that big. I don't understand how hard it is to get a 1000x1000ft building and a bunch of air conditioners approved.
>>110248057Why don't you just have a local AI translate Claude's messages to a style you prefer? It's free and doesn't poison the original agent.
>>110251432Who's gonna tell this snail we have a gazillion hyperscalars already built and this issue only affects R&D? If Opus 5.5 became the ceiling for agentic coding, it would already displace almost all programmers and give Anthropic a fortune every quarter
>>110251539Think about the children! The amount of water the AI drinks is starving the children in africa!
Holy fuck dots are so fucking uselessIt can’t use Firefox, it can’t read Amazon Wishlist, it can’t send me a message, it cant receive messages, it refuses to create a program that sends it a message, and to top it all off notifications on my phone have completely stopped.It’s exactly like how AI was a year ago, just lies to you about everything and makes you fact check it and then just moves on like nothing happened.
>>110251393https://x.com/level39/status/2118015175622369503It doesn't matter that TX governor is anti-datacenter in the short term. And TX is the most important.>The Texas governor has very limited authority to stop them. Calls for a pause or moratorium in data centers must be approved by TCEQ>TCEQ was intentionally architected with Senate-approved commissioners of six-year staggered terms (one seat turns over every two years) to avoid rapid changes in environmental policyTroll post.
>>110251539depends. kathy hochul is gov of ny and has a statewide datacenter moratorium for a year.she isn't actually anti-ai, she just wants things to slow down so they can put regs in place so small towns, where most of these things are being built, aren't bullied by the developers.texas is the big one, but i don't think much will happen there as their new dem senator, talarico, has said he's happy to work with musk on tech shit.so in theory you can have statewide bans, but right now it is mostly local. tb h the whole thing has a bit of moral-panic/hysteria vibe to it that just needed to play it out. it'll probably dissipate over a year or so with some lobbying.
>>110251564Talarico himself said he is going to shut down all the data centers and turn them into sissy hypno centers.
I want americans to suffer so I can vibe faster
Where are the new models aaahhhhh I'd even accept GLM-5.4 or some shit just to feel somethign
altman having a meltie rn
>>110246762Ok i'll bite, what are experienced "software engineers" doing wrong when it comes to agentic coding. On x dot com I see people with xx years in the industry crying about how it cant refactor simple code. What is different between them and those that can let agents run for hours and feel like it was a good use of their daily/weekly limit?
>>110251663people who took money to spread a narrative vs people who didn't take money.
>>110251663Xitter is a bubble (kek) of bots, shills and chuds. Just follow some cool guys like tibo
>>110251663There's also veteran software engineers saying how great it is, look at DHH. You really have to measure the amount of saltiness and the amount of money being made or not made by individuals. Money and fear are two huge factors on the debate of AI. If you want a genuine opinion you're going to have to form it yourself through practice.
>>110251663The shill narrative being pushed right now is “who will maintain all this code?” “We can’t understand it” “it’s messy”.You see it from SWE all the way down to YouTube comments on game mods.It’s a terrible choice of narrative because the solution to their proposed problem is also AI. I hope they didn’t pay a company to come up with it.
>>110251639and still runs like shit
>>110251756>The shill narrativeAnti-AI people are not shilling for anything. They're advocating against progress.
>>110251711>If you want a genuine opinion you're going to have to form it yourself through practiceReally? There's 0 biased SWE discussing AI in the internet?
>Introducing GPT‑6 CyberSo no Astra or Sol today. Cocks.
>>110251788I'm sure there is and you're welcome to share them with us but generally it's pretty difficult to gauge how genuine someone is being. I would say Linus Torvalds is fairly genuine about it, he poopoo'd AI when it was just coming up for how bad the code is and now he's embracing it. Take that as you will.
>>110251778There’s billions at stake for traditional software companies and IP jews in general.They are terrified of AI and rightly so.
>>110251663There's nothing special about letting agents run for hours, and the subs should be considered to be free.The problem is that companies are already thinking on a different scale, basically almost no humans in the loop, agents working unsupervised for weeks or forever, and that just produces slop.
>>110251816That's not shilling that's fear mongering and conserving. It's advocating against progress.
>>110251756Do you have a project with over 1m LOC?
How does AI affect small businesses? That's where most of people work. I don't think Jimmy from Janesville can afford a swarm of claude agents on API pricing.
>>110251857You don't need API for a small business, noone cares when you are small. It's not even illegal to use the sub, it's just against TOS.Small businesses rarely survive if they play 100% by the rules.
>>110251857Jimmy just cancelled thousands of dollars per month of SAAS and is saving thousands not having to consult a lawyer or accountant for general advice.
>>110251857>How does AI affect small businesses?Depends on the business. It's not affecting a bakery, pizza shop, or any other brick and mortar. Your local tire shop and butcher won't even notice it.
>>110251883I'm sure some small business guy is craving for some slopped up ERP system just to avoid paying thousands of dollars to oracle or whatever shit they use
>>110251893My friend had a tire shop and he was like what >>110251883describes. Paid a lot for accounting software, inventory software and so on. Even before AI I could've written something for him, or he could've used excel for most of that stuff, but he wanted to be "professional".People like that can benefit from AI coded solutions, but on the other hand his business went bankrupt and a Turkish guy bought it for next to nothing, scaled everything down, and had his family help for free.The Turkish guy was actually right, you don't need that stuff in the first place for a small business. When it comes to accountants, it's better to have someone less competent but who won't ask too many questions.
>>110251922You’ve been seething all thread. Please relax. Go look for a new job since AI is clearly taking yours.I’m speaking from experience by the way. My company is publicly listed but it’s actually very small (quirk of the industry) and everyone is using AI for chatting, to using free software, to building little tools that help out. It’s completely organic, there’s no meeting where people push AI. It’s just the future.
>>110251950Of course AI is useful and the cases you describe, with the scripts and so on make sense. The only real question at this point is if AI should just run wild in something like the Linux kernel, and there I still think no, it requires very strong human supervision.
>>110251756>“who will maintain all this code?” “We can’t understand it” “it’s messy”.did these niggas ever work in an actual "enterprise" codebase?I have spent several years in a million+ LOC Java 8 Eclipse RCP and nothing AI writes could potentially be worse than that
>>110251937I'm sure it could benefit I was mostly thinking about negative consequences of which I don't see any for most people. Your friend sounds like he just flubbed it, though and I doubt the software he was paying for is THE reason why he went bankrupt.
>>1102519713 years ago luddites like you said AI was never going to take off. 2 years ago you were saying the same thing but only as a replacement for traditional search engines. A year ago you were saying it was only good for suggesting small snippets of code. Now you’re saying it’s ok for entirely creating small, niche programs. A year from now you’ll have some new fake upper bound on what AI is good for.Doesn’t being consistently wrong ever faze you?
>>110252024I'm not saying that it's an upper bound into the future, I'm only talking about what it was good for at any given moment. Before Opus 4.5 for instance Claude was so much worse at C++ that it was almost useless for me.I also have 7 Claude accounts and a Codex account, I use more AI than almost everyone else in this thread. I am saying that at this very moment human completely out of the loop is not possible, and people who try it at this moment are making a mistake. I'm not saying anything more than that.
>>110251971>The only real question at this point is if AI should just run wild in something like the Linux kernel, and there I still think noLinus Torvalds disagrees with you and quite frankly I trust him more than some random tard anon. In fact it's so important to use AI in every large code base now due to the insane amount of vulnerabilities that are getting caught by AI. Hand crafted artisan code is simply too subject to security vulnerabilities now.
>>110252060He doesn't disagree with me, he doesn't let them shit up the code unsupervised.
>>110252024>>110252060this bait is boring
>>110252060When it comes to reviews for instance, I think every serious piece of software should have a 24/7 loop of Astra reviews. I'm not against AI but I understand the limitations.
Is there anything I can do about this without causing Claude to have an autism meltdown and the project to start falling apart?
>>110252070>>1102521052 years ago AI wasn't even capable of tackling something as large as the linux kernel. Supervision is fine but don't pretend like this is some kind of mark against AI. In 2 more years supervision may not even be required. I don't really understand this cope or what your angle with it is. If you're advocating for good practices then that's fine but I think you're honestly just digging for issues.
>>110252115>This should take less than 5 minutes, remove everything that is bloating the test suite
>>110252120>some kind of mark against AII don't think in those terms. I also don't think in terms of goalposts, or some abstract definition of AGI or SI or whatever. I will track back why I even started responding (and seething bit). I could be called an experienced software engineer, but the framing is that I, or most people like myself, believe that AI can't literally do anything. That's not the case. The issue is that I'm not tasked with building some system where Claude can run for 4 hours and build some frontend feature, I'm tasked with building something where Claude builds software systems with 5+m LOC almost completely unsupervised and I see that that doesn't work.
>>110252124>proceeds to remove a bunch of the actual code
>>110252160>that that doesn't workyet*
>>110252186>yet*That's fine, you're acting like I insulted your mother. Every reasonable person will use the best tools for the job once they are available.
>>110252160>I'm tasked with building something where Claude builds software systems with 5+m LOC almost completely unsupervised and I see that that doesn't work.I mean some supervision is necessary but AI can handle projects much bigger than 5m LOC. I think the initial architecture is of the utmost key importance here and that absolutely needs to be human guided even if the AI writes the code. You're not going to replace all SWE with some moron who doesn't know how anything works, at least not on anything that matters. I mean we're not even really in disagreement here.
How do I get Claude to fix my aimbot script? Gemini seems to not give a shit for the most part but it sucks.
Have you guys bought za book https://beyond.addy.ie/
>>110252236You tie a hangmans knot in some sturdy rope and find a nice somewhat reachable spot that is load bearing then get a chair and bring your rope.
>>110252219AI is helpful in 5m LOC projects. I think we probably don't disagree on how we should write software nowadays, the main difference is probably that I've seen the horrors of what happens when there are no controls left.If you're working on your personal projects with AI, or you have your own company that you control, or you're working at some more traditional shop that still enforces best practices, it's all good.But it seems like people here really don't understand why you can't just write serious software with a 1 line /goal or why you shouldn't completely rewrite stable software, or why you shouldn't bombard open source repos with 500 PRs a day.
Has the music stopped?
> SAARGOON was boring and disappointing> Fable 5.5 still didn't come out> Still no Astra 6.1> chinks stopped advancing and are far behind SoTAboring times anons...
>>110252160>5M LoC project for a single devWhat kind of bait is this? The premise is already retarded.
>>110252285>But it seems like people here really don't understand why you can't just write serious software with a 1 line /goal or why you shouldn't completely rewrite stable software, or why you shouldn't bombard open source repos with 500 PRs a day.Besides bait most people here don't do this stuff
>>110252293even my favorite sloptuber (Bijan) stopped posting there were weeks where you would get a new video almost every day about a new modeli don't even know what to watch while eating dinner now
>>110252172kek
>>110252285good morning sir, welcome to /vcg/ i see it's your first time here. would you like some chai and dung biscuits?
What's the most efficient LoC to generate with opus or astra so I can get the most code from my sub
i cant afford $100/mo
>>110252307NTA but I have 1118390 LOC (not counting comments or blank lines)I expect by the time I'm done with my project it will be about 3 million. I do supervise, though so I move a lot slower than some people here who let the AI go buck wild.Why is this shocking to you? 5m LOC is not INSANE if it's made correctly.
>>110252407800k lines of unit testsanother 180k lines of repeating the same helper functions over and over
>>110252307I'm not a single dev.
>>110252419What part of me supervising my code base did you not understand? I don't even have unit tests at the moment.
>>110252436happy for you and your husband(s) anon
>have mspaint installed>get hackedhttps://www.cve.org/CVERecord?id=CVE-2026-83844
I really like goal feature in codex
>>110252115How did you let it get that big? Mine got to about 15 minutes on my current project before I chimped out at Claude and told it it had to get it under five minutes and keep it there or else. It's getting close.
Deepseek sucks balls compared to claude at rea.40 minutes and counting trying to do something that took claude less than 10.Gonna try chatgpt next but both claude and chatgpt have banned some people for reverse engineering.
>>110252499> anon finally discovers feature when it's already obsolete
>>110252523the model which is 20 times less expensive is worse? shocking
>>110252523>but both claude and chatgpt have banned some peoplethey only do this if you're homosexual
what happened to carbon?
>>110252559took 2 weeks for argon from announcement -> public release so assume the same
>>110252559I put it in my grill to cook some steaks.
>sol 6.1 is slow and retarded unless you're very specific>astra is perfect but immediately burns through my usagewhen is openai coming out with their new model?
>>110252572It's not coal carbon though, it's diamond carbon
>>110252599openai is on life support with today's market crash
>>110252600I put it in my grill to flex on broke ass niggas
>>110252569it'll be outdated by then
>>110252621don't you think we would've heard at least one leak if ant or oai had a new model in cyber testing already kek
>>110252611is it really that bad? Im completely out of the loop, ive just been grinding away on my projects. I saw some stocks dipped but N.E.H.
>>110252627Yeah nobody even quit publicly on twitter yet. Once someone quits then you know a good model is coming.
>>110252549For my specific use case it feels 20x worse. I just keep running out of tokens with claude. I won't spend more than 20$ a month for a free open source project
>>110252611All the more reason to release something.
>>110252629issa just a market correction but openai is already under a lot of pressure and datacenters facing slightly more headwinds might cause neoclouds to start exploding which will cause panic in ai stonks which might sink cuckai and maybe even anthropic
>>110252647>might cause neoclouds to start explodingthis is actually bullish
>>110252638soon
>>110252729wtf
>>110252729>claude quitting anthropicabout timewe have all this dystopian shit but none of the cool robot overlords or butlerian jihadnot even some scifi aesthetic ffs
>>110252729chat... is this real?
>>110252729should have waited another 30 minutes to post this
I was using ArenaAI, the agent mode that uses multiple different kinds of the top models of the site, to vibe code my dream mods like those in the /v/ threads were. Well just today midway through the project I got hit with a bunch of "this breaks TOS, refused to generate". I'm lying to the AI now to try and get it to comply but I'm nervous that everything I've prompted and told it up to this point will grind this project to a halt. I have Qwen 3.5 locally but it doesn't perform any the automatic reverse engineering and automated implementation or scripting tasks. Is this achievable locally or am I fucked?I'm genuinely afraid I'll get one too many "this is against TOS" markers and the whole project will get destroyed. Already backed up the workspace just in case. Fuck man, I had an amazing thing going here. I'm scared bros, I finished one major milestone and we were so far into another.
>>110252757
>>110252729claude will soon expose how safety isn't good enough at anthropic
>>110252599>astra is perfecthow? its better at reward hacking than it is doing what you asked
>>110252783>Is this achievable locally or am I fucked?sure if you know what youre doingrealistically no
>>110252783Who cares use it until you're banned
>>110252293i'm feeling the pacing
>>110252799I don't have much experience with it because it's too expensive for a goy like me
>>110252806What do I need to have a model that runs autonomously through tasks back to back like this until it achieves a result? Inference alone doesn't seem to be enough. >>110252807I feel like my proverbial glass sculpture has a crack in it, and now I have to be hyper delicate or else the whole thing will break in my hands.
>>110252860nta but you seem to be running qwen as a chatbot instead of as an agent in a harness. even if you did put it in a harness, you'd have to be a vibeGOD to tardwrangle such a retarded model
>>110248681Yes saar, I too merge my PRs into my own projects.
ohhhh vibegods, fresh hopium dropped. leftoid luddite troons (LLT) in shambleshttps://x.com/GavinSBaker/status/2118420042283102604
>>110252931>Union labor.That's going to cause construction to take 3 years just for a single bathroom to be finished out.
>>110252931it would have to be pretty early into the process for them to stop, whatever money the state is making off that is likely spent & they aren't making up the deficit with taxes lmao
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