>>110292908
>outlook is still down in my companyIT'S BEEN 8 HOURS
>>110316919nigga it's over
>>110316919> and they still don't know the root causeit's microSHIT, what do you expect
>>110316919outlook works fine for met. work at msft
>>110316919if only azure went down too
>>110316919>>110316954wait nevermind, it's down. I just haven't done anything today so didn't realize.
Sales here, why the fuck has outlook been down for 8 hours?
>>110316919Your company produces nothing of real value
>team got merged into another team>new team doesn't use a PR process, they just merge into main with a "trust me bro" policy
>>110316919>expecting an immigration fraud ring to maintain your emailsMicrosoft haven't been a tech company for a long time
memes aside i'll pour one out for the dudes in redmond who are about to have the worst night of their careers
>>110316919I took a day off and Microsoft shits itself, it's great! Not only do I get to chill, I wont be behind on any projects either!
>>110317072if I could join the bridge call as a fly on the wall I would just to see the screaming from the LT. I probably could honestly because I'm sure there is like 50 people or more in the call, but I don't want people to question why I'm there either way
>>110316919
>microsoft shits itself>/g/ basically diesI didn't know all of you were jeets
OK which one of you motherfuckers did this
damage report?
Sir how am I meant to work without Outlook and copilot???
Is it possible that MSFT just... stays down? Like, that's it? The whole company never recovers? What are the odds on that?
How come everyone talks shit about indian immigrants when arabs are just as similar if not worse sometimes. I swear the arabs Gen Z employees are one of the worst employees you can get.
>How come everyone talks shit about indian immigrants when arabs are just as similar if not worse sometimes. I swear the arabs Gen Z employees are one of the worst employees you can get.
>>110316954>>110316984>works at ms>hasnt done anythingChecks out.
apparently microsoft was down today?? lol? must suck to be u guys haha
>>110317172I guess they want to do a postmortem before just nuking everything and restoring everything from the last backup.
> Time: Fri Nov 13 00:45:16 2026> Current status: We've reviewed known impact scenarios and have revised the list of impact services and features. We're continuing our work to isolate the issue affecting server availability, as well as other workstreams.THEY STILL DON'T KNOW THE CAUSE
>>110316919SAAAAAAAARS
>>110317216
>>110317216Copilot did something retarded probably but if they admitted that their stock gets erased so they have to fix it and pilpul
>>110316919on call but no idea if the servicenow alerts will even work without outlook dead.oh well, not my problem
I explained my life circumstances to Gemini and it told me unprompted to call the suicide hotline
M$ crapping itself gave me time to muse out how I’m going to build a tool.Sadly, my brain doesn’t work. Whomp whomp.
Microsoft is gonna go bankrupt from all the breached SLAs
>>110316903LinkedIn shitposts aren't as fun anymore now that they're all ai slop
>>110317387force majeure bitch. HAHA now they ain't gotta pay shit
>>110317413They're really not fun because they're all sincere, everyone making these is completely serious, nobody is actually joking.
>>110317387GoodMaybe everyone will leave the Eastside and my rent will go down and it will be fun to go urban exploring in an abandoned Microsoft campus
Crowdstrike had a worse outage then this that completely bricked computers and nothing happened
id say microsoft will lose customers from this experience but its windows users and 2026 they are absolutely ready for their microsoft shock collars TM
Nothing is happening to Microsoft retards, just like nothing happened to Amazon when they did this some months ago. Three days from now no one will care
>>110317453Most bigger companies will make a back up mail system, although funny enough my company just terminated theirs two months ago to "save costs" lmao
>>110316903Tfw not sure if teams is down too or nobody has messaged me
>>110316919JEETED
>>110316903you know the guy was white if she responded like this
>>110317467It may never come back up though
>>110317516Fucking delusional. It will all be over by the morning 200% guaranteed.
>>110316919>inb4 the indian hindpoo rape rat invaders desperately try to reportjeet my post and get the equally child rapey, 45 IQ inbred indian hindpoo rape rat jannie to try to censor it, even though everyone can see this meme is objectively and undeniably a fact
>>110317387That's not how the corporate world circle-jerk works.
>>110317525we'll see
>>110316903>>110316919I'm so happy I was laid off recently and don't have to deal with any of that shit. though on the other hand it would have been one of those do nothing days.still feel relieved, though.
>>110317525in the microsoft cafeteria in redmond i can hear indians fighting over who is brahmin and blaming dalits on the servers being down
>>110317540>>110316919I wonder why this happened.
>>110317559theyre just insecure racists, good riddance
>>110317467Funny how everyone forgets about the Crowdstrike fiasco a few years ago that actually endangered lives and yet Crowdstrike is making record profits. Nothing is happening to MS, even if they remain down for a week.
>>110317443>>110317584are you retarded or just pretending? this isn't some random antivirus that only a few companies use, these are centralized fucking communications systems that literally EVERYONE uses.
>>110317627>i dont maybe the people spying on me do
>>110317627>some random antivirus that only a few companies useAre you?
Condemning myself to become Steve by choosing computers as a proffession was my biggest life mistake.>can't even complain>these threads are the reminder of my failure
>>110317559Microsoft is just an immigration fraud ring
>Microsoft still downFriday will be funny
People will keep paying for Office365.Remember, email can be down for three days before you actually start losing mails and most people will probably tolerate a few lost mails if it's happening to everyone. Nothing ever happens.
>>110317584memba when crowdstrike was founded by a ukrainian jew and was hired to figure out who hacked hillary's emails only to find out it was MUH RUSSIA then CS got big gov contracts?
>>110317584>>110317559>>110317686We didn't forget about Crowdpoo. It's just that the hindpoo jeetjannies keep censoring and banning anyone who says anything remotely negative about India/Hindpoos
My company barely even uses the email system. This is zero affect to anyone i know, even the CEO was like LMAO when we told him it was microshit.
>>110317685>Office365It's legally named Office364 now. Probablly Office35x by next week.
CLOUD SERVICES LOST LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I got SOOO much productive work done today, I can't wait until next year's releases :)I'm so excited to be working on a huge project that millions of people will use!!! Did I mention that I love my job?
>>110317708More like ORIFICE 365, because of Indian hindPOOS am I right? (remember, the "geniuses" who follow this grotesquely barbaric inbred pedo cult that does pic rel, are getting over 90% of H-1B visas for decades...and if you point this out, the same invaders get to censor/ban you for no reason).
>>110316919>Not replying to emails.So this is what it feels like to be a european dev.
>>110317425That's always been the case. 100% lying every time but at the very least they had to post their own unhinged ramblings without sterilizing it through the bobot. It was funnier back then.
having a job you hate must suck desu
>>110317423Well, I guess they are migrating to gmail then lol.
How do I deal with peer pressure to just proompt? In many cases I still think it's faster to write the code than to prompt an agent, but I'm in office 3 days a week and since everyone is just prompting I feel like the odd one out. The pressure does not even come from management, in fact they have been pushing against irresponsible LLM use. It's my colleagues who just really love vibing and not doing shit all day
>>110317960at my job it's the opposite lol i'm on a team with 3 senior engineers that have 10+ yoe each so every time they walk past me with claude code open they give me a look of disapprovalthe PR reviews are brutal so like I might as well right every line of code by hand because they're going to ask me about them
>>110317989>rightHAHAHA STUPID FAGGOT. getting fired any day now
>>110317989>rightwrite
>>110317730>Markov-bot(2).jfifI know these are random words but in my current situation they feel sarcastic. Even in anonymous place like twg I was told I'm not one of the "good guys", and just doing uncle's Tom job at bashing everyone from my group. I also got told that irl. I genuinely thought I was accepted. I hate these threads but there are no other interesting threads up.
>>110317559so this is sabotage from a disgruntled timmy that got fired and now bharat gods need to fix itwhy are timmies like this
>>110318016I thought I was a peter thiel spawned LLM?? they don't even use markov chains anywayspseud momentthis is why you're low TC btw
>>110316919Microsoft needs to import 6k more jeets btw
>>110318016And yes I really didn't connect stuff I see online to how people act irl. >Irl everyone is nice>Unless all of my ideas have to go through a senior employee to say, yeah anon was right, let's do it>It's literally the same as twg bashing the TicTocs>I thought if I act professionally and be the top rockstar perl Witcher I'm going to be accepted >>110318066You literally stopped posting about helicopters at the same time as you got apple job.
>>110318111>>110318066Unless something happened. I stopped posting in twg after I got told to electroduce myself.
The latest MS update says the changes aren’t working and their looking into alternatives So it’s back to square one lol
>>110318111>helicopterswhat are you talking about
>>110318132It's just an Ai bot buying time. MS lost all their talent with layoffs for short term profit.Thank the Pajeets. They did this to Commodore, now it's MS
>Hint 1>Use a sparse table.guess ill deal with this question tomorrow
>>110318133You post exactly like the Canadian furry when he was (is) "sober", but about Apple, and suspiciously started posting exactly after he left.
>>110318212>>110318212>>110318212
>>110317085it would have been better if your day off didn't mach a day you can't do jackshit, that would count as half an extra day off
Rent Fucking Free
>>110318200uh no i don'tmeds, now
>>110316919>outlook and teams working fine all day including nowshrug_emoji.xmlanyone here *not* a bot trying to crash US tech stocks? if it works on my machine then surely you are lying.
>>110318231Meds now is exactly what the furrnigger says.
>>110318237Seems like the problem is isolated on the US servers and anything that is routed to them.
>>110318231Sorry, then. A lot of coincidences.
>>110318253supposedly a bunch of shit went offline, but they have actual load balancing so they are serving the same amount of traffic off of some dusty Presario in the corner or some shittypical "one gigacorp node down due to janitor plugging in vacuum incorrectly; entire internet fucking dies" shit that happens every week
>>110318231Yep just take your meds. Thanks furry.
>>110318214Furnigger containment zone? KEKW
>>110318260Wait...>>110318249>>110318273Even markov is gaslighting me?I literally thought we'd be on the same team.
>>110316941I know the cause. Jeetslop + diverting more and more server resources away from services and towards AI.
>>110318296...As in furry and all...I don't want to see depressing stuff.
>>110318253i think it's just the .com TLD. i live in USA and checked two others for outlook, they are fine.
Microsoft 364
just like... get a macbook? and use the mail app? and notes + pages + numbers + keynote + freeform? wouldn't have these problems then
>>110318367When the telegram was invented, society truly went to shitWe must return to carrier pigeons
>>110317960if your code is genuinely good you might get to be known as a living legend, if your code comes out slower and worse than what an ai throws you might just need to adjust to the times
>>110318349I'll admit it. I laughed.
>@MSFT365Status>As part of our investigation into the sustained traffic management imbalances, we’re reviewing traffic flows and affected infrastructure to identify opportunities to optimize routing. This includes verifying the reasons for service failures so we can develop specific actions to improve stability. More info under EX1550543 and MO1550821 in the Microsoft 365 admin center, as well as http://status.cloud.microsoft if the admin center is not available to you.>7:48 PM · Nov 12, 2026no fix yet!
>>110318468they're reviewing the reviews that they reviewed 5 hours agowhat the hell is going on over therewhat is the actual action
I'm out again wajting for more positive stuff to talk about. >>110318367It's literally a startup thing to get MacBooks in Europe. Otherwise it's always MS and Linux too if any field or tech work is done.I don't do ms so I may not be affected but we will see in 2h.
>>110318468They fucked up badly. They didn't fix the actual issue the caused the outage prior to this one, and now it problem is happening again.
>>110317960i have several vibecoder coworkers. i've sat through multiple in-person demos. i always do some innocent back-and-forth questions about how the tool works, what certain buttons do. in most cases they give up from this honest exchange and reveal "i had claude build this", "this is vibecoded", little admissions of guilt i didn't need to ask for. their shame is overwhelming. a quiet, disappointed "oh" is my favorite response. i ask a few more questions, "you were prompting claude?" and the slow burn questions, asking if this feature was vibecoded, or that, until they crack and admit it all. and i let that moment simmer in a few moments of silence, with a neutral nod or two, to let their shame wash over them.it brings me great joy when a vibecoder doesn't admit their guilt to me. i have their guilt and shame in my claws, bearing down on them as their full-UI tool appeared out of nowhere, from someone with no expertise to build such a thing. i can hear their fear rising as my next question, or the next, edges closer to ousting them as frauds. a few people have gone through their entire tool without breaking, and that's when i ask them: "did you use claude for this?"
i just work support so i dont use ai at all
Another day of the Internet almost collapsing due to corporations inherently being incapable of managing a public good.
>>110316903I WAS TOLD ZOOMIES WANTED EXPERIENCES REE WHY IS MY ZOOMIE ASKING ABOUT MONEY
>>110317180They are all bad, anon. Every single one of them. There's a reason the 3rd world is the way it is. Take Egypt, they have unlimited money from taxing their Canal and they still live in a shithole.
>>110318575>guilt about vibecoding>not knowing how something you made worksBro, sometimes I put my projects on hold and when i return I have no idea where it was at or what was done. At least with vibecoding, I can just ask Claude what the status was.
>>110317180Arabs are reverse indians. they seethe and mald about having to work for anyone but other arabs but no arab will ever hire another arab
>>110318800??? Arabs do the same crap indians do, they claw their way to positions of power and then replace everyone with other arabs and the company goes to crap.
>>110318794>when i return I have no idea where it was at or what was donenot everyone is goldfish-brained, anon
>>110316903Do people really apply for jobs looking for wages?
>>110317627So what? It's a free market—no one had to choose to use Microsoft.
>>110318839nah if you ask any arab who the worst people on earth are, he'll say whatever country he's from. everyone but him is a scammer and not to be trusted, and he only got where he is with a measured amount of scamming for which he will not apologize forarabs are like island black people, they hate every other community and are quick to point out the flaws in their own to try to get ahead of it
>>110318879Nah bro, I got a full time job, kids and I'm doing several side projects. Right now I am doing parallel creation, meaning do all the engines first, then do all the assets and when you got like 10 projects, sometimes one of them takes a month to break through and you forget what you did with the others.>>110318947I had the exact opposite experience, they will pretend they are smart or understand and will be completely pants-on-head retarded and fuck it up.
>@MSFT365Status>We’re continuing our efforts to improve server stability to improve traffic flow. This includes adjusting traffic protocols, redistributing traffic, and applying strategic traffic blocking measures. We're observing partial recovery across regions in which we've applied these adjustments; however, these actions aren't resulting in sustained recovery, so we're reviewing what additional actions we can take to improve overall infrastructure stability. More info under EX1550543 and MO1550821 in the Microsoft 365 admin center, as well as http://status.cloud.microsoft if the admin center is not available to you.>8:36 PM · Nov 12, 2026
>>110318575That self satisfaction of knowing you did real work isn't going to help you when they get promoted and you get laid off because they don't have to fool you, they only have to fool the hiring manager.
>Current status: We appreciate your organization’s patience and understanding while we work with urgency to resolve this incident.it's ACTUALLY over. china won.
>>110318976>however, these actions aren't resulting in sustained recovery
You all are following this more closely than me, and I work here
>>110319161hey smart guyif everyone can vibe code then it's an equal playing fieldif it's an equal playing field then skills and experience stand outaaaaaand your layoffs story isn't reflected statistically in job numbersimposter syndrome says hello btw
>>110319165No, Chang, your oriental dystopia doesn't win every time something happens. Find a new strategy.
You know some random niggas are getting flayed for this. The fuck do you mean a 12+ hours global outage? Jesus fucking christ.
Guess I'll work remote and play vidya tomorrow if it's still not up when I wake up
I really hope this continues tomorrow tbf, I really don't feel like having a meeting for the case I raised with the OKTA vendor.
>>110319482I hope it continues because it's fucking hilarious and gets funnier the longer it lasts.
>>110317259FUCK had a callout for this shit.6am is not that bad i guess
>>110319378There's probably like one or two people left who are competent and they're living in hell.
What ratio of applications to people following up should I expect?1:100, 1:1000?
I have enough non-microsharted work to do that I’ll still need to go into the office tomorrow. Fuck.At least no one will be able to bother me.>but they can find you in the officeIt’s Friday, ain’t no one gunna be there.
>>110318932Isn't that one of the standard two questions you ought to ask in every interview? The other being "are you single".
my company has a strict no singles policy, proof required
>>110320511I'm sure it's actually an "all simple" policy.
>>110319222>>110320463>>110320548>>110320511I'm going to sink into my office chair.
>>110320614oh wow.I bet everyone's impressed. btw is that a real belt buckle?
How do I keep motivation for writing webshit everyday knowing that if my CEO wanted to he could replace me with an proper LLM harness today? He just doesn't seem to care yet...
beautiful day to be a swe and not an it monkey
>>110320787Why are you working if you don't already have motivation? Are you a mindless slave?>webshitAh, you're a zombie.
>>110320787I have no respect for anyone that says AI is coming to take their job or that a chatbot could replace them. you must be fucking terrible at what you do.
>>110320840>>110320862Oh, sorry I've not been here in a while I wasn't aware which phase of cope you guys were in.
>>110320887I heard microsoft is hiring geniuses like you
tgif am i right fellas
>>110317049> I cant breath
>Work for real estate developer>Today we had a huge packet of revision changes due to needing to do blasting at a site we're developing, along with more mundane stuff at half a dozen other locations.>Call permitting office about the blasting paperwork>They tell me to email them>I tell them I can't because the state uses Microsoft and it's all down>Huh that's weird you're right. No wonder we haven't been getting messages.>Let me get so and so from the tax office, she'll know what to do.>Wait on hold for a few minutes>She picks up.>Yes, so you can email us those documents and we'll get right on processing them>I can't your email isn't working>Oh... right. Well I guess you can fax us. We're not supposed to accept that paperwork via fax, but I'll let (head of permitting) know about the issue and we'll make it work.>Your fax number goes to your email which isn't working.>Give me a moment, sir.>Voices in the background discussing this>She's now flustered. Can you have someone bring it to our office? >Uh...yes, but how do you want me to handle the signatures? We don't have some of the engineers in office to sign off on things today, and I'm not sure legal will let us use the esignatures on the submission.>Oh.. hmm.. how about we accept the bare paperwork and start processing it and you get us the signed stuff when you can and we'll finish it up.This kind of conversation happened for 4 different things today, so I got to spend 7 hours driving and doing these calls from one of the company vans that has a printer in it. At the office handing the blasting paperwork I had to wait about an hour signing a bunch of stuff saying that yes this paperwork was incomplete, that we would be sending the completed paperwork when possible, and that to the best of my knowledge it was accurate, etc.On the bright side one of the secretaries gave me some fresh chocolate chip cookies. Sometimes small government stuff is strangely wholesome like that.How was your day /g/?
>not an actual IT worker>in a meeting with the head of IT this morning>"this is going to be a chaotic day for me and my team!!"what? you're going to sit back and wait for microshart to solve the problem? why is he pretending like he and his team have got to do shit? why are you fucking monkeys like this?
>>110320934You aren't a tech worker, why are you here
>>110320014>I have enough non-microsharted work to do that I’ll still need to go into the office tomorrow. Fuck.Github is up so most of us will.
>>110317042you're behind>>110317173position yourself so you do not deal with this>>110317701baste>>110317960You are wrong and blinded by undeserved pride, do you really think you're smarter tham everyone at the frontier labs? You have a pride issue first, and then a skill issue next.
>>110317173In the US there are very few Arab immigrants compared to Indians and almost none work in tech.
microsoft's izzat status?
>>110320862Why not anon? I mean yeah, there are a lot of shitters out there, but AI is clearly capable and lots of supposedly good programmers with a lot of success are saying so as well. It's not about how bad you are it's just that AI keeps improving super fast and it's not entirely inconceivable anymore that it could get there
Goddamn it's still down?
>>110321003Not all IT work is installing acrobat and replacing keyboards. You go high enough up in more traditional non-tech companies and you start needing cross-disciplinary skillsets. I'm the sysadmin attached to our engineering and regulatory compliance departments. About 3/4 of our revenue comes from highly regulated industries like nuclear and DoD adjacent stuff. I may know less about concrete than the Civ-Es, but I need to understand what the engineers are doing to setup equipment for them and to explain things to auditors when we're technically out of compliance with something. Most engineers are lazy and they'll demand astronomically more hardware than they need to run shit like fluid simulations, so understanding what they're doing is a pretty important skillset for keeping their cloud budget inline. In terms of security, federal standards like NIST 800-171 (or god forbid, 800-53) are a fucking bitch. That being said, at the end of the day nobody actually gives a shit if you're noncompliant about the more asinine items if you have documented rationales for why you are noncompliant and a comprehensive set of mitigations to work around your non-compliance. That's a lot harder to justify when you have teams of engineers running wild and doing random shit you don't understand. You don't want their systems fully locked down either because then they can't work at all.Someone else could have done this job today, but meh. It was a slow day and I'm high enough up the food chain to have discretionary authority to sign for these kinds of things without needing to phone back to the office 17 times. Sure it's a task that's 'beneath me' but I get paid, I get per diem for being on the road, and it was something different.
>>110321481sounds like a pain in the ass
>>110320943He means that instead of getting planned work done his team will be bogged down with calls from fecktards asking when the internet will be fixed
>>110316903I mean we can have an interview without salary being mentioned but when the cut comes to the chase it will play a role. We are just postponing the inevitable. At the end it will be the deciding factor at the end when you are about to sign the contract.
>>110321481So ai isn't going to replace you?
short nvdalong aapl
>>110320887
Phew, my end of week power automate/pbi shit still sent out despite the outage. My Friday is saved.
>>>/r9k/85949244
Man, it's really slow in here without the azure bots
>>110321491It is. It pays very well too, but I'd be lying if I said the whole package was transferable. If I went elsewhere I'd be discarding a good portion of my resume. There's not exactly a large list of jobs where knowing about zoning, environmental regs, structural engineering, fire codes, fluid dynamics, and so on are also tied to deep knowledge of configuring Wi-Fi networks in secure facilities.I wouldn't really recommend it. It's not a partner track at a Big Law firm levels of stress by any means, but my wife (who works in a related industry, albeit in a different capacity) and I spend a shitload on stress relief. Our kitchen is fucking stupid because removing any tedium from cooking and making it enjoyable is the only way we eat healthy. As we've gotten older we've started making liberal use of PTO because the cash bonuses for not utilizing it just aren't worth the headaches. Honestly, covid was an amazing quality of life booster for us because we both can work from home semiregularly and that just wasn't a thing before then.>>110321559We're using more and more AI driven tools for penetration testing, much as we adopted IaC tools like Terraform for deployments. It's a tool for a job. The things it's good for, it's great at. Everything else it sucks at. One way or another, AI isn't touching dead tree slice bureaucracy anytime soon.
>>110322004Great thread thanks.
No Debra you decrepit blob of an old bitch I've got nothing to do with your email not working how about you quit scrolling ai videos of cats doing kpop demon hunter dances on tiktok and turn on the news for once instead of leaving me 20 messages in all caps overnight. God I fucking hate working with tech illiterate normies.
>>110322004And gems like this is why I can never leave this shithole of a site.
>>110317525Well Anonie I have to log into work in 30 minutes and it's still not working..
I wonder if this will be a wakeup call that allowing vibecoding in a corporate environment is fucking retarded
>>110321099The main thing is that, every time I try using agents for anything remotely complex, they do retarded shit. Not things that could be caused by missing or ambiguous context, but genuinely retarded choices. These choices, if left in, would decrease development speed rather than increase it because of tech debt. To this day, I find that putting the llm in ask mode and prompting snippets and explainations in the vs code chat is the best way to use them. The issue with this is it makes retards insecure at the office so they must see a diff on my screen to feel good about themselves>smarter tham everyone at the frontier labs?They have a big incentive to vibe code and publicly state they vibe code. If you were attempting an appeal to authority I don't think you could have picked a worse example
>>110317960Just proompt. Who cares, its just a job. Not my problem
>>110322598I doubt it, the big tech companies have a vested interest in promoting LLMs, they will pretend this wasn't cause by llm slop.>>110322632Go work as a civil servant then you have the mentality for it.
unrelated but semi related but I'm always working with cases with the vendor on something unexpected or service going down or something fucked but everytime I ask for a root cause analysis they dodge so fucking hard. It's honestly quite frustrating and it's something I want to call out but I don't really care about it but it makes me look bad to leadership when I return with "they won't tell me jack shit"
>>110322598I doubt it but if anything I hope it's a wake up call about putting all your eggs in the Microsoft basket. The faith companies have in Microsoft despite their track record is unreal. It's like a kid stealing candy from a convenience store but everyone goes "he's a good kid, he'll do better" even though it's his twentieth time getting caught doing it.
>>110322719>Customer asks for an RFO on an issue they had 2 weeks ago>All their logging is set to only go back 1 week
So i don't get it why is it global, what happened to pushing changes to one cluster at a time? Why everywhereI mean i think i know why but it boggles my mind.
>>110316903I know most of you are swe but any advice for a Tech 1/helpdesk monkey that's about to start
>>110322768one egregious scenario>prod goes down>"send ticket wtf is going on">check on vendor forums>everyone is down>hours later "we resolved the problem and will be messaging you a RCA in the upcoming days">nothing>nothing>vendor closes ticket since it's fixed>someone on the forums: "where tf is the RCA???" >"we'll be submitting the RCA to your original ticket if your ticket is close just make a new one and we'll post the answer there">open ticket>prod is functional, closing ticketholy fucking shit, I know I should be pushing but I can't take this energy anymore, this shit frying me so much I try to stray far away from vendor support
>>110322805Take it one ticket at a time. Multi-tasking is a good tool. Know when to escalate (don't give your tier 2/tier 3 retarded shit). Tier 1 is all people skills. Be friendly but not overtly being stepped on. Aka you can say "yeahhh I know that sucks" but don't talk TOO down on your software or that's going to rile them up even more. It's never "you"r fault. (except when it purposely is but most people who call help desk are itching for a fight). Stay calm and remember there's a person on the other side, work on your empathetic side so you don't become a jaded asshole (I mean you'll eventually become one but at least try to slow it down or pivot where you can roll off)
Americans are trying to inject their heinous wagieholic culture into our Evropean subsidiary but besides some managers who think they need to prove something, we thankfully reject their insidious attack on our constitutional (worker) rightsLeisure is a quintessential part of Evropean culture (Joie de vivre/La dolce vita) and we will object and vehemently oppose any attack on it, dishonest arguments like shareholder value or VC roi have no merit here
>>110322811It's even worse when they straight up lie and try to blame the customer. Clients were unable to log in to ther BC suite because of microslop outage, the reseller/helpdesk insinuated that it's our "VPN that's blocking the access". Monkey nigger it doesn't even work like that.
>>110322876You've been already replaced.
>>110322805You've probably heard this already but it's good to have an exit for yourself and the client, when you can't solve the issue immediately. Way better to say that you'll consult someone else, or work on a solution and get back to them, than to sit there slack jawed, clicking random things hoping it works. People hate hearing "i don't know, probably, maybe". Makes one look incompetent, even if it really is a novel isuse and you really don't know.
>>110322876My God be with you Europeans on your quest to not give a shit after lunch on a Friday.
>>110322542What are you talking about, it's all up and working now
>>110321871this is wrong because?
Outlook was down?
i couldn't even do a leetcode easy without getting stuck for hours on some edge case and i have a job
>>110323128Still is, to some extent.
>bossts learns AI>commits 5x as me>tells me I need to boost productivityit's joever, no more slepan or vidyagaems in company time
>>110323289is your boss actually shipping anything to paying customers? mine just slops stuff that nobody will end up using, thinking he's being gigaproductive when he's never going to have to put his shit to the test
>>110323141That's because none of us have to do anything like that in our job. You are training a new competency from scratch. Indians like LC because it undermines the value of experience and education Americans have, they can just grindmaxx that stupid shit and pretend like it puts them on the same level.
>>110323298>is your boss actually shipping anything to paying customers?unfortunately, yes, it's a small company and he's the owner
TGIF
>>110323334eh i couldn't implement anything complicated well. anything complicated i made was clunky, and it probably wasn't that complicated
Just watched my try-hard coworker get dressed down by the head of product for working on tickets that didn't get approved by the project management team first
>>110316903Not talking about salary up front is a waste. I try to get to that as soon as I can without forcing the point.Worst experience to that was a very large global company sought me out. I interviewed on phone then in person and it went incredibly well, after ONLY two interviews at least (so not a ton of time wasted) they offered me the position but it was 10k less than what I was already making and they wouldn't budge.
>>110323589why are you envious of more competent people? even after today, he will still be the more competent one of the two. This might have felt good to you in the moment but it changes nothing. Accept your inferiority
>>110316919Stop your anti-indian hate, timmoid.
>>110323666I once got a follow up call that said>So you're asking for (slightly above average for the position)>Was that a typo>Do you understand what Net and Gross meanAnd when I confirmed I wasn't retarded they just ended the phone call
REVIEW MY FUCKING PR
>still not fixed
>project keeps getting delayed>company announces layoffs because of the delays>layoffs keep getting delayed
>>110324130>opens claude>review this [PR link] I have never read a colleague's PR since opus 4.5
How does everyone read PRs? I try to be reasonable. I do a private scan with Codex, then pick out a thing or 2 that's actually relevant and immediately useful. Unless it's just all totally broken.I hate the fags who just dump linter tier reviews.
>>110324566If it's under 50 lines I read it by myselfAnything over that agent only, sorry
>>110324627I just open the diffs in vscode and read through them. It’s not that hard.
>>110322632I want to git gud at making software tho. Not because of my job, but because I find it interesting and fun. Actually doing something is also more entertaining for me that waiting for agents to finish and "reading" the diffs, so if I have to sit there for 8 hours every day, I'd rather write code
>>110324655Everyone is opening 50 PRs a day with AI, not gonna bother with that shit
When I'm in a design the worst system possible and act smug about it contest and my opponent is the devops team
I'm just here to laugh at the death of the internet.
>>110324924>Translation>Because of AI we've severely under estimated our running costs and we set up a brownout in our own fucking webservices as we couldn't get enough bandwith to start them
Azure services didn't go down. Us azure chads keep winning
>>110324924>it wasn’t AI>trust us saars!
>>110324868
>>110325026KINDLY
>wake up>have coffee>eat breakfast>make lunch>start walking out the door>do a 360 so I can piss out my ass real quickWhy do I keep falling for the brown bean meme? I need to get to work so I can stare at outlook!
>>110324868>>110325026Microsoft's mistake was years ago: they thought they could just take the products that customers bought and ran themselves, put them on Azure VMs, and charge a subscription as a "SAAS product".
>>110325091That is irrelevant to our biggest customer's though. Majority of Azure money comes from giant companies renting hundreds/thousands of VMs. Walmart, Temu, Shein, EPIC, Databricks, Blackrock, OpenAI, Johnson and Johnson, Airline companies, etc
>>110325026It is a """reminder""" that everyone will forget in a week and we'll go back to doing the exact same thing as before.
>>110325026>The issue is not enough Indians!!Saaaarrrr.
I’m working too fast. At this rate I’ll only have two story points left to do for all of next week
>microsoft shitting itself>rain>friday>no one in the officenice
>>110325125I mean it was a mistake from a technical perspective. It's why so many of their online services are flaky and glitchy. And the bigger problem is they never learned anything from that work, and carried forward that design philosophy to new products.
>outlook got back just as I exited the officeto an even better weekend!
>>110316903>female principal engineering manager>serious IT departmentpick one
>>110325026>vivek28kek
>>110325275The lessons learned is a valid point, but I don't know that it was a mistake from a technical perspective at the time. Who was the model of how to do things properly? Cloud was still largely a new domain that people were working out. Research papers have ideas and proof-of-concepts, but actually hyperscaling reveals new issues nobody foresaw. At some point you need to just pick a design and go with it, or your competitor will pick one and get all the customers first. You can redesign later
>>110316903Sorry, but we need dedicated people to fill this job role. No excuses
Anyone else stuck in QA?I was too much of a slob to master webdev during the golden years and now I can’t get out of this janny work (with the constant threat of being AI-laidoff)
>>110325510Most of that work migrating to SAAS didn't start until the 2010s. By then, we had 10-15 years of pre-cloud but still web-based companies, products, and services running on actual distributed systems that they could have looked to and hired from. Yes, it would have required a lot of work to re-engineer those products as true SAAS offerings, but it could have been done while keeping operations and maintainability in mind. The biggest issue is that apparently no one at Microsoft wit any decision making ability realized how much effort customers had to expend to run services like Exchange, SQL Server, Dynamics, Sharepoint, etc... Companies and MSPs had their own very busy IT teams just to keep those services up for their users. But Micrsooft decided it would be fine to just pull all of that work in house as-is, throw some scaffolding and automation on top, and leave it to the DRIs to make sure it all works.
Holy shit, I am getting a raise. I do not know what Indian got blood sacrificed to make this happen, but I thank them greatly for their service, as it will be remembered.
>>110316903Isn't the point of applying for a job to be paid money in exchange for labour?
>>110320614Nothing did happen today, nor I'm feeling any anxiety rn. There's something wrong with me but it's kind of whatever.>>110320763Wrong post?
> Company is enforcing BMAD> All code has to be AI writtenI was lucky in being in a another team the last quarter but now that I'm back I have to follow this. BMAD looks like ass and we've been having to clean up so many bugs because everyone is shitting out slop. Anytime I ask a question in a PR review or on slack, I get an AI generated answer back, which tells me no one knows how the code works.
>>110326076There's a reason why non-indians keep saying: "don't bmad"
>>110325649You were ngmi just griftmaxx into sm/po/pm/ba
>>110316903> PicThis is a common strategy in sales.You want to increase investment as much as possible before actually tking about the details of the deal.That way there is a bigger cost to not accepting (since you already invested so much time and effort).So when buying skmething they wait as long as possible to tell you the price.On work they just do same with salary.Make sure to be careful out there.Full of bullshitting.
>>110322898Two more weeks!
>>110323721I've job hunted too much and had too many shitty issues like that.Something satisfying in a schadenfreude kind of way is that I've lost out on two very lucrative jobs, in both instances I made it to the final interview and was the runner up because I "didn't have as much experience" (I've been doing my specialty for 20 years, mind you)For both jobs I got notifications on LinkedIn less than a year later that it's back on the market again
>dude has 15 yoe>opens a PR with 650 LOC>I know for a fact he used zero AI to make this>all of the comments are like:# this means it failed with an errordef failed_with_error():
# this means it failed with an errordef failed_with_error():
>>110327129is this supposed to be bad? good? I don't really care about this
Are there any embeddedfags here?
>>110327147Comments aren't for narrating what the code literally says — they're for explaining why it's doing it. Having a guy with 15 yoe write redundant comments like a freshman CS student is objectively funny. Also, if you don't care, why did you bother replying?
>>110327237Why did you need an LLM to write this?
>>110327237I don't care about the thing you are complaining about is what I mean, I don't see it as a big deal
>>110327147average ai psychosed retard
>>110317669You want to hear something really fucked? I found out I had an aptitude for coding JUST as AI started to become a mainstream thing. I was told I was retarded by my parents from an early age so I never tried anything technical. We were also dirt poor growing up so I didn't even have a computer until I started working at around 19-20. Got into .NET by accident from hanging around with some IT guys at my previous work (I was 26 at the time) and I completely fell in love with it. Then spent about 2-3 years building up my competence and got to a point where I felt "Yeah you know what, I'm not lost, I can do this!"...and now we are here. I will continue to work on projects because this is what I love, but I can't really say that I'm not blackpilled.
>>110319920The ones who got charged with the task of wrangling multiple agentic AI's instead of the OG AI: actually Indians.
>>110317989>minor spelling mistake
Microsoft services are still shitting the bed. Queries that would have normally taken a second taking 3 whole ass minutes now.
>>110325026Yes, pajeelion indians, that will fix everything
My company announced agents will included as part of headcount. I almost thought it was a joke because I’ve used the agents that have been developed and they’re definitely not good enough to run autonomously and require a human in the loop but leadership doesn’t give a shit I’m sure. Our developer headcount increased by 2 because management thinks that the 2 agents the machine learning team made are as good as a developer each if not more. I’m sure this will lead to more layoffs in the future and I’m also sure leadership is giving themselves a big pat on the back and they really think they accomplished something here. Also I’m kind of disgusted that we’re essentially being asked to work ourselves out of a job as the agents are trained being by their team.Seriously it feels like some dystopian bullshit. I’m so tired of this shit.
>>110327783>require a human in the loop but leadership doesn’t give a shit I’m sure.that's you, you are now the manager of this "employee".
>>110327783>but leadership doesn’t give a shitA tale as old as time.
>>110316903>You do good job!Okay, what about the mone->NO MONEY! DO GOOD JOB!
>>110316903>>110327875We are moving closer and closer to corpo-feudalism.
>services are working>outage is still technically a thing>macrosoft wagies have to work the whole weekend monitoring shit and hoping it doesn't explode again
>>110327999oh no no no, I'm being paid overtime, NOOO
>>110327999we have on-calls, those people would have been on-call anyways
>>110328032Salaried employees don't get overtime, NEET. >>>/g/utwg
Do you have database access at work, anon?
>>110328068maybe in muttland lol
>>110328113>maybe in muttland lolSwefag here, we don't get OT here either.
>>110328098Not at work but my mongodb azure cluster is still up and running.
>>110328156proof?
>>110328156I'm a devops janny and the devs at my workplace swear it's impossible for them to debug without being able to query the production database directly.
>>110328064Yeah. When I was at Microsoft, Saturdays and Sundays were 12 hour work days. As in... I was dealing with incidents for 12 hours each day. Thankfully we were one of the lucky teams with a partner team in India for the other 12 hours, though they were pretty useless and would just hand our incidents back to us the next day (tbf, we were useless in dealing with their team's incidents).
>>110328179>>110328198Fuck, you anons are right. I was using the AWS one. You can't even get on Atlas right now.
>>110328068i dot. fedchad
>>110328212I can see why you would leave for that. I've actually never had an icm come to me on the weekend. Every saturday and sunday I've been on-call was a 0 hour day, and we also have a 12-hour partner, but in israel
>AWS emulatoryou can run aws locally now for development anyone tried it?
>>110328256It's vibecoded slop. Good luckhttps://www.aboutamazon.com/news/aws/how-autonomous-ai-agents-built-aws-emulator
>>110328256we use azurite at my company
>>110328311looks good to metime will tell if it has subtle bugs
>>110328352>looks good to meIt's over. If AI built that entire thing from scratch and it works fine, why can't it replace you?
>>110328368just one more post sis, one more post and AI will be defeated
>>110328368because it needs instructions and i'm the person who provides themAI did not build this from scratch it had all these API specs written and designed by humans
The kid interning under me is asking if I will let him come back on his next coop term
>>110328256Not sure what's the point. We run tests on real aws resources. Test init provisions whatever we need, then test, and all infra is deleted once tests are done. There's no point of aws emulator without full iam support anyway. I suppose it can do request validation for you, but again that's what real aws is for.
https://litter.catbox.moe/7n5fy7.mp4
>>110327346It's literally last choppa out of 'nam anon, you need to get in.
>>110328495no point doing that unless the intern is a cute girlinterns these days are claude prompterswould be more effective if the company gave me more claude usage instead, i can throw a better prompt to claude and replace them
>>110328498it's faster and you don't have to pay for the services you spin up? don't have to create some admin creds you have to worry about?
>Workday is now having a widespread outageIs the internet fucking collapsing
>>110328495Genuine question, what do veterans look for in juniors searching for coop placements? Do you mainly just look at our github repos?
>>110328521The last chopper flew ages ago. It's now the leftovers hoping they can catch a lifeboat out, fighting with the millions trying to do the same.
>>110328587and now all aircraft in USA are grounded due to a software update that crashed the communications system for air traffic controllers.
Indians are behind this, I can smell it
>>110328587>>110328664Russia or china; call it.
>>110328705aliens
My new job is at a small embedded startup where everyone still writes all their code and the first few weeks were fucking rough.Learning to program again after the last 6 months of proompting all day at my last job, and more importantly getting used to thinking again instead of relying on Claude to find the issue for me was not fun. It's kind of like trying to stop smoking because you know there's a "free dopamine" button and you have to somehow ignore that it's there.I got past that stage though and I'm actually enjoying my work again. We're actually reviewing each other's code, having deep technical discussions because everyone understands how things work under the hood and I now realize I missed this feeling.I'm also far less bored at work because I'm actually solving problems instead of managing clankers all day. Even when the problem is annoying, at least I'm doing something.Sorry anons, I really don't mean to gloat but I'm just really happy with how things are going, finally.
>>110328626personal projects, I literally ignore anything but that
>>110328811>personal projectsAwesome, then I'll keep building. Many thanks.
>>110328705Everyone was waiting for the midterms.
>new job>new company>half a year after I join upper management wants us to start doing sprints>slowly watch everyone become more stressed and inefficient Whoever invented this crap needs to be sodomized with a swordfish
>>110328811How do you even judge personal projects in the age of AI?A guy I know asked me to review his friend's (fresh out of uni) portfolio and it was all 100% vibe-coded. I didn't know what to say because anyone could have proompted that.
>>110328901nta but the commit messages are usually pretty telling. They often read like someone just copy-pasted descriptions of methods straight from the Microsoft docs. Personally I don't really care about AI assisted code so long as the person is able to reason around their design choices.
i dont even know how to use git I just get claude to fix that shit up for me desu
>interviewer opens your github repo project>asks you to walk through the code and explain why this is doing what it's doingHow do you respond?
>>110328677Allegedly caused by L3Harris pushing some bullshit to prod
>>110329053Just name each class after the thing it models and each method after what it does.
>>110329104L3Harris has never done anything good so i doubt anyone downstream of them would ever be impacted by their incompetence unless they are complete Fools
>>110322974>>110322863Thank you
>>110329053uhh, ask claude
>back on day shift>no one ever asks me for help>they either do their own troubleshooting, or just call itI like that I don't have to do shit and that LUSERS have become Users but I can't help but feel a little insulted.
>>110328664i heard about this and was unironically confused because i thought local ATC for coordinating airfields can always fall back to voice radio and fucking paper charting if they have to, and it's not like RADAR or ILS should be affected by ai slop since it's constant emitter output and sensor input
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