out of curiousity, i am starting to mess with stuff. for high quality stuff, what is the best or good programs to create transparent backgrounds. upscale images and also ones that can touch up an image or add stylized text?word art?

>>445759
techbro you are next to be replaced by AI, the more you say shit like this now the worst gonna be your mental breakdown when boss baby gonna say buybuy

I'd be curious to have your opinion on "how the industry works" or "how bad the corporate environment is".

I'm sure you have solid reasons since you worked for +10 years in the field.

>>445768
>how the industry works
My biggest problem with the industry is that it is ultimately aimed to reduce the workforce. The amount of different work that is done by one person today is the same amount of work that was done by 5 different people 10 years ago. And they pay the same salary for that. For that reason graphic design pretty much just vanished from existence because every single aspect of it can be done by other people in the field. So as a result "designer" profession was reduced to junior webdev monkey. Yes, there's still a chance to land a job but it's so small the majority of people physically won't be able to find them or it is already filled with nepobabies. Graphic design became a very very rare job. It's like a cartographer.

>how bad the corporate environment is
It is toxic and inhuman. Corps cucked wagies so hard they start to behave like black people in 1790s. The house nigger says shit like "you can't deal with the competition, it is a completely fair market" while working 12 hours a day for food with his weekend filled with obligatory critical race theory training. Even if you are skilled enough for a position you first need to fight the HR bullshit so the quota-bitch can determine if you are the right person to align with the "company's values" like selfies on linkedin how you can't go to office because of covid and now you are crying. You literally have to be a slave to the company, you can't have a life outside of it.

And now we also have AI which will absolutely kill the freelance and small business clients. I think motion design will be gone the last because AI still kinda shitty at making videos, but it's only a question of time. UI/UX can also relax for maybe 2-ish years because right now AI is bad at small details and typography. Overall we pretty much witnesses of new industrial revolution, unironically. If you yourself have a graphic designer job I'm happy for you, but please consider plan B.

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>>445757
My old agency actually expanded, too much even which is why I left.

It started with just 7 people. Everyone's a specialist- I was working with vectors, we had a couple of indesign guys, type designer wizards, all around it was a tight ship.
Then the owner left and we got bought by an overseas marketing company (chinese). Fast forward ten years (this was 2019) and there were now 50+ people. My seven bros were long gone and I realized I didn't know the names of more than half of the people who work on the same floor, so I quit and went freelance now.

>>445759
hey chatgpt can you write me a code snippet that does this

hey chatgpt can you write css that does this

hey chatgpt can you code a landing page that does


you're up for bat far quicker than midjourney can hit graphic design bud.

design still has to interpret things, code works or it doesn't. that's a yes or no answer.

>>445787
where do you find clients as a freelancer?

>>445788
I said programming, not coding web dev shit, dumb-dumb (though, for a designer this is not an insult). You have no idea what CS means.

>>445798
I tapped into my network. When I was working with the agency I built and cultivated a relationship with other professionals, like the owner of the industrial printers we worked with knew me by name and he referred me to potential clients, previous clients who liked my worked recommended me to other people, etc...
I also did some cold pitching.

>>445798
>where do you find clients as a freelancer?
Literally the same way that companies do? Have your own website, advertise it, buy a bunch of business leads, etc etc..

>>445757
yeah it's a dead career, definitely stay away if you're just starting out in life. I didn't even intend on becoming a graphic designer, it just happened....fuck I hate this shit and there's nothing else I can find to do that doesn't pay minimum wage.

>>445757
everybody is pivoting to productize design as a subscription

>>445892
elaborate

>>445788
chatgpt is fucking useless it can't datamine githubs

>>445908
'useless'

you just kicked yourself out of the conversation, friend

>>445908
What is GitHub Copilot

>>445910
relax techbro, no one is trying to offend your cyber waifu

>>445913
you didn't.
it just shows how little you know about the topic and I thought it is fair to preface how your opinions will not be regarded anymore

>>445914
>thinks his cyber waifu wasnt offended

>>445915
sure. I am certain she is crying herself to sleep right now.

>>445757
I'm one year into my associate's for this shit. Just one more year and I'm done with this. What do you suggest I do with the degree? Is it useless or is it viable for good small jobs? I was thinking of just switching my major after getting done. I keep hearing and reading doom sayings about gd.

>>445914
>(you)
there are more people in this thread than you and your waifu's bull here, fedora man.
THIS REPLY WAS CREATED USING CHATGPT

>>445919
Just do web-design/motion/3D

>>445928
I just don't get this kind of answer.
are people supposed to react to every new post in a comment chain as if an additional anon joined in without marking themselves as such?
tell me you are another anon or don't. but I seriously have no interest in dumping resources into mentioning how anonymity is part of the very nature of this forum every time I follow up on something...

>offended
how would it be offending, mister second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, dozenth, thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteenth, sixteenth anon? (better this way?)

>>445930
>are people supposed to react to every new post in a comment chain as if an additional anon joined in without marking themselves as such?

No, you're supposed to assume that you know exactly who you are talking to even as you admit to knowing that
>anonymity is part of the very nature of this forum
and then whine about how the alternative of just not assuming that you are clairvoyant and/ or that your inferences dictate reality isn't really an option becuause muh
>dumping resources

You did nothing wrong and that anon just needs to admit that if you say he's someone else, he's that person and that's all there is to it.

Hope this helps.

>>445933
tf are you talking about? How is any of that important?

It absolutely is irrelevant to consider these anons >>445908 >>445913 one or two people. So why bring it up?

>>445930
>why start this whole topic?

>>445933
>but imposed identity

>>445934
>>445930
there's no one in this thread except (you) schizo.
(you) are just talking to (you)rself

>>445936
exactly! and since there is no way of proofing otherwise I don't see why you would start discussing
>but muh identity. I am ackchually that other person

>>445937
are you talking to me?

Designers are already going crazy, as shown in this thread. Grim future...

>>445939
depends

>>445939
Are you somebody?
Or a nobody?

>>445941
Word, this anon is not just anybody...

>>445934
>>>445930 #
>>why start this whole topic?

You tell us, since according to you whether or not you or another anon posted that is " irrelevant"

You OWN it and have to answer for it, logic boy.

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maybe you should try getting a job

>>445946
I dont decide anything for you (or anyone).
I tell you that I think it is (very) irrelevant.
And by asking 'why?' I leave you the option of explaining 'why' you think it is important instead.

do you need the concept of discussion explained to you, contrarian boy?

What about UI? I'm reading books on it now with how inopportune the field is getting on GD alone.

>>446127
it's just a matter of time

>>445757
man, threads like these make me second guess my choices for uni next year

>>446408
I've got a graphic design degree and it was a waste of money and time.

>>446411
why do you think?

>>445757
what city are you from?

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Maybe you can’t find a job because you suck. have you ever ask yourself that question OP?

>>446545
>capped out at $70k for life in USA
grim

>>446555
bro they're not gonna pay you even 70k it's just for the clicks. 60k-70k means 60k + bonuses that you will never get

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How do I learn graphic design as a NEET who just wants to do it as a hobby? I've been consooming art for years and now consuming doesn't make me feel any pleasure anymore so I want to create something myself but then I realized that I have no actual idea of what makes something aesthetically pleasing. Same way how I can tell if a drawing is anatomically accurate like with 90% accuracy but can't actually produce an anatomically accurate drawing myself I have a feeling for what is good design but can't create it.

I never thought I had talent for art/design and I never had that intrinsic passion like many successful designers do but I can't think of anything else I would want to engage with. I didn't even think of perusing any design-related jobs as everyone told me they were competitive as hell and I just didn't have that drive.

I have no illusions of getting a design job but I still want to be able to creative aesthetically pleasing designs even if it's just for fictional products that never get made.

>>446589
>how do I do thing
well you just start doing the thing

>>446545
man I wish I could work in the US.

>>446590
would be nice to have some direction

job ads these days are just insane. you have to know everything even slightly related to graphic design
is there still time to learn programming bros?

>>446632
applied for a "Graphic Design" job recently and here's what they wanted you to be:

a photographer
a videographer
a web developer
a social media manager
a marketing assistant

literally they wanted all of that in one position and of course the pay was shit.

>>446633
oh yeah they wanted you to be a graphic designer too.

>>445757
>>445759
>>445767

Sounds like a shit beta cuck attitude fr. Make your path if it sucks so much bitch.

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>>445757
Two minutes on Indeed.com can refute this, what a load of bullshit demoralization lmao. EVERY company needs a designer on hand. AI can't do what you think it can. Sure you won't be a hot shot Madison Ave marketing guy like in Mad Men, a bit more grunt worky, but jobs are out there.

t. ALSO been in the industry for 10 years, actively have a senior salaried position I got a year ago. Many different jobs I could jump to if I wanted today. Get real or stop living in a 1000-pop town.

>>446645
More things AI can't do, which companies big and small always fucking need

>PRINT design: flyers, mailers, take-ones, brochures
>print designer communicating with the printing house
>specialized digital ads and layouts
>branding

AI is a tool. It'll be another 20 years until it can ACTUALLY truly in real time do the thinking process of a designer.

>>446645
>>446545
amerimutts this thread is not for you

I hope UX design can survive because I'm going to school for Interactive Design and this job is easy as fuck if you have any intuition, it's a shame it will become the field all the replaced graphic design normans flock to

>>446620
I felt the same way, but I've felt a ton of improvement in just a couple months because I finally started to actually draw. "Just do it" I get isn't helpful, but in reality, that's 90% of it. Find something you like, hyperfocus on something, get yourself to draw a bit every day. Learn basics like perspective, quick gesture drawing will help a ton with drawing humans with more life to them. Don't get caught up in making everything perfect, the first things you make are gonna suck. Sketch things up, try going for 5+ variations of things to see what works best, forcing yourself to come up with more beyond your first idea helps creativity a lot. Look up tutorials if you get stuck on something. Can't figure out why something looks wrong? Draw that detail over and over to try to work it out. Lastly, don't rush it. Especially if you're not trying to make a living out of it, putting really any amount of effort into it will bring improvement.

>>445759
AI is going to automate programming far more easily than it has art and design.

Take the studio pill and branch the fuck out. Graphic Design in itself is a small fraction of the market that is marketing in general. Learn web design and front-end development, branding, product design, make solid connections with prototypers, VC firms, companies that develop and push products all year round. All you need are a handful of small repeat clients who will rely on you to manage their marketing and brand presentation and you will be printing more money than you can spend. Shit, if you can learn enough of the skills required one client will likely be more than enough for you
If you're trying to string together a career based on overcharging for a logo every two months based on some golden ratio bullshit you learned in college then you never really understood the industry in the first place
AI is to Design like Quant is to Finance, yes it has it's place but if that's all there is to it any smart company knows it will be haemorrhaging money trying to narrow the massively wide scope that AI creates in terms of design language and targeting
gl hf stop being poor

>>445757
Pretty much this. I've worked on the field for 18 years. I'm a veteran on the field: I did everything, web, print, books, marketing, product design. I worked alone, alongside people, I was an employee, I was the boss. I did branding, logos, photography, illustration, editorial design, you name it. Founded two companies, sold one. Worked for mom and pop shops and for transnational companies. Had microscopic budgets and huge budgets.
And yeah, I've seen how the market deteriorates year by year. The breaking point for me was 2021, in the middle of the quarantine, although everyone was desperate for /gd/ services, nobody wanted to pay for them. I had to compete with indian and mexican designers that cost 1/10 of what I charge.
AI is been the last shot. This is it.

>>445800
>I said programming, not coding web dev shit, dumb-dumb (though, for a designer this is not an insult). You have no idea what CS means.
so programming is different from coding? youre a retard

>>447309
programming is not coding web dev shit
>pRoGrAmMiNg Is DiFfErEnT fRoM cOdInG?

>>447310
whats the difference i want to know

>>445759
Designers trying to be programmers is how we've arrived at the sorry state of the web today. Everything is a heavy, broken, unoptimized, ugly piece of spyware.

>>447319
one is programming while the other is coding web dev shit

Aren't the principles of graphic design used in everything? When you design objects you are just doing graphic design in 3D. Nowadays with everything becoming digital and phones just being big screens isn't graphic design just becoming more relevant?

>>447351
Yes. Design fundamentals are one of the first things you learn whenever you try to take on anything regarding visual communication.

Design isn't dead, it's just piecemealed into specialized roles. In theory this should be better and more efficient but corpo creative is so fucking greedy they only hire people who can handle 3 - 5 specializations while only paying for one.

>>447354
well put

>>447354
What do you consider to be Design Fundamentals?

>>445759
>you had years to do something you didnt want to do
>instead you wasted your life doing things you enjoyed
kek

>>445757
I’m literally about to finish my degree in graphic design. I mean I’m not gonna let this deter me but if AI truly does take out this profession I may neck myself.

>>446633
This is basically what I do for 82k. Learn to adapt.

>>447476
if you could somehow make connection with big companies or governments you'd be safe. connection is the most important factor in graphics design career. also I think freelancing is still better than being an employee doing gd.

>>445940
It's ironic. Ten years ago they said truck drivers would be the first ones to fall to AI automation. Now truck drivers are are geting a 100k+ union gigs and artists of every medium and discipline are turbo fucked. Finance and tech bros are next. Even pajeet ceos are next. Once an AI out performs Berkshire Hathaway things are going to getting fun in a french revolution sort of way. You have the biggest technological changes in human history coupled with leadership that's older than the transistor. No amount learn to code is gonna save you.

>>447576
I just wish the AI would end all jobs sooner, like overnight, what's the point waging in these careers that are basically finished anyway. Just end it all quickly.

I literally don't understand how AI can replace gd. I get like maybe if you are a twitter art commission drawing guy AI is a threat but gd requires so much human touch and psychological understanding that AI can't mimic.

>>447782
human touch and psychology are in everything not just "the work of masters" lol, I've yet to see an AI or computer than can align text properly and I never will

how do I learn graphic design without going to college?

are the online courses any good or very surface level?
what books should i read and in what order?

>>447987
Why on Earth would you want to do that now when the entire field is getting demolished by AI?

>>447994
as a hobby

I've been enjoying graphic design for so long I have the desire to make something myself and learn why something looks good and not just go by intuition

>>447994
>Don't do anything that AI can do, just live to consume the 'slop!
No.

>>446589
go to
https://learn-anything(dot)xyz/
then you learn it

>>445919
I had the chance to do either Computer Science (which would not let me work) or GD (it would let me work), I choose GD, being poor sucks
>>445757
What about video editing? I really like it and it would be fun to work with it

>>447576
>You have the biggest technological changes in human history coupled with leadership that's older than the transistor. No amount learn to code is gonna save you.
>The year is 2055
>The world is divided between the domains of techno-lich overlords

>>445759
>you should've wasted your life doing something you hated like I did.
Nigger you are also going to be automated

>>445800
Fucking ape over there, real programming problems are a hundred time easier to do for GPT than your "webdev" programming

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>>448849
Gui programming is so close to just being data that you even have special data languages for that.

I want to do some Motion Designer stuff because in my country, there are a lot of work on this.
What do you think about School of Motion? Their curriculum looks fantastic!
Any advice?

>>447987
In Udemy you have a good course about gd from Linda Marsh. It covers all the topics, I find it really usefull.

>>447994
this mentality is the reason why you would have been exterminated in the third reich
no aspirations, no creativity, no discipline, just slop production and consumption

>>445757
What if I want to be a vidya designer? I’m starting my first year of college in Graphic Design with possibly Computer Science as a minor.

>>447544
>>if you could somehow make connection with big companies or governments you'd be safe. connection is the most important factor in graphics design career.
That just means it's a bullshit job then, where you have to have someone give you free money for doing it, in which case, you might as well get free money for doing nothing (if you're already born in the privileged class that can live like this), and you can just do it as a hobby occasionally.

No one is going to give free money to just a random guy, if you're not someone's nephew, it's pointless.

>>448772
>What about video editing? I really like it and it would be fun to work with it
There are literally already AI programs that most youtubers use for this.

>>445798
make a profile on shitstagram and post all your work to grow a profile, then clients often come to you

>>445798
Just be a woman on social media.

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>>445757
To adress the fearmongering and depression in this thread: none of this bullshit matters. If you are a graphic designer or programmer that gets replaced by ai, it ultimately doesn't matter. Just look at how many jobs have been replaced back in the day. People will be fine, if you have the power to design or program, you can always hop into the trades. The jobs are as safe as you delude yourself to their inherent instability. Once you see it, you cannot unsee it. Now close this tab, enjoy a clean canvas or write a script or something. Give the crybabies less of your attention.

>>449229
Yeah can't wait to start learning how to lay brick at 45.

>>449231
we have robots for that

JUST KIDDING BRICK LAYERS HAVE FUCKING UNIONS N SHIT

>>446545
fake jobs.

>>449229
>just stick your head in the sand and pretend everything is okay bro

>>449357
lol, right?!

>people will be fine.
as in
>there will always be people that have the capacity of being fine.
but I want to be one of the people that are fine. and there is just no guarantee for that.

is the understanding for history really not so shallow not to see how there have always been pawn sacrifices that died from hunger after their profession was rendered obsolete?!
>humanity will have net benefit
alright, but its at the cost of the people who themselves are not in charge of what causes that and it is neither weird nor surprising or even reprehensible some/many are having fear and resentment.

also they stole the work of the people they are trying to compete with, so never forget that. no cutesy vat image will ever be able and change that

>>449358
*so shallow

>>447784
It really is the micro/macro shit, details and overall order. There will be high paying clients for this bcause its about perception and notion;more few overall, of course.

Kinda also a thing is how everyone will get seriously retarded, not knowing how to technically do just anything; be it just to write.

i was recently laid off after 7 years because my boss just took over my responsibilities with help from AI tools

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>>449642
BASED!

Just do UI/UX design as and use your brain a little bit more. Thinking that designers can be replaced with AI is literally monkey thinking, they can't achieve what designers are capable of.

Inb4 "AI will replace UI/UX Designers"
For that to happen, the clients need to know what they want, they don't.

Graphic Designer here. 15 years unemployed. Was about to become a beggar or shoot myself in the head when I managed to get some kind of state pension... Don't ask me how.

>>449673
>Just do UI/UX design
pls no. Don't need any more ex-graphic designers thinking they can do UI/UX after a short course

>>449709
>when I managed to get some kind of state pension... Don't ask me how.
How?

>>449709
how?

>>449771
>>449776
figma ballllllllz amirite lolololol

>>445757
I don't really give a fuck if I lose my job anyway. Graphic designers literally get paid as much as subway employees with tax and inflation in my country.

I'm just hanging on in the vein hope of things getting better. If it finally collapses im going on NEETbux and watching the world burn. Fuck contributing to a society that wants you out of it.

>>445759
Faggot

>>445757
Skill issue.

Fiverr. Fucking fiverr was the beginning of the end. And now AI will take all the fiverr Indian's jobs

>>448961

Fuck man, I did not know that but I just tried that to design some logos and it is already better than most of the company logos I see on LinkedIn everyday

>>445759
Kill yourself. Enjoy being unemployed soon faggot

>>450500
Lmfao the whole point of paint is to be a shitty outdated drawing software. Microsoft ruins everything.

>>449721
>>449673
You are fucking delusional. UI/UX design is the first thing that is getting replaced. There is already not much design in it to begin with. Most of it is data driven and it's is very formulaic. Placing design elements on a grid and doing automated useresearch is already possible with today's AI. Majority of UI/UX designers will go extinct in 3 years.

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I’d worked 2 rough years as a graphic designer for a large pub/restaurant. Left and almost doubled my pay now working for a large dewatering company. Only problem is I haven’t designed anything yet, all I do is schedule social media shit and format documents. Manager tells me we’re going to be updating the company SharePoint in the coming months.

I feel fucking lied to, what the fuck am I doing. I can’t believe they saw my portfolio full of creative stuff and said “yeah let’s hire this person to do jack shit all day.” They honestly don’t need a graphic designer they need someone who knows how to use a computer and to edit videos for them every now and then.

>>450711
>doubled my pay
just sit on that fact for a while then start lookin around

>>447354
ding ding ding!

“blablabla graphic design is gonna be replaced by ai blablabla” idc i like it and i’ll continue to do it even if i have to do side jobs because i like it.

also if you got a degree and no one hires you it’s a skill issue build a better portafolio and learn how to talk to people lmao

>>446411
Same. Two years after graduating I hadn't even gotten one interview.

FUCKING marketers Ruined everything


Every company want you to be a marketing officer who can also do Graphics design motion design & some event want you to fucking 3d design


I FUCKING HATE THIS SHIT but fuck it I'm just going to get some bullshit online citification

>>447277
I really doubt you have the experience you say. I have 19 years in the field and I have experience in pretty much everything. Yeah, the market has been deteriorating every year. I started in Branding and ads, but got chased out by indians doing my job. I jumped to package design and illustration. Got chased out by the chinese. Nowadays I live off editorial design. And work has done nothing but go up since 2020. I've had to jump back and forth between career pathways but every year I learn more and more. Now I live primarily of being an advisor on printing matters. I've learned a lot of traditional printing techniques and high paying customers pay big for me to print stuff and make really small runs. Curiously, the analogue stuff is making a return.

>>445771
It's honestly unfathomable to me that they make up retarded job positions (e.g. - junior HR specialist, brand identity creative director, QA etc. etc. ) instead of just paying for like 3 essential personel and not making 1 person do the job of 5.

>>445885
Options in my 2nd world country for a designer are still okay, since we're an outsourcing hotspot. It was literally a choice between a programmer, doctor, lawyer (worse job prospects than design, but mommy might be happy because I have the degree), something businessy or like an engineer ( no industry here ) That was all there is to choose when I was 18 in Bulgaria.

You all just have a wrong sheep mentality, you picked the wrong career not because it's dying but because you're ready to quit it and hate it when a problem arises. If you're in it for the money, you shouldn't be here. If you love it and would do it for free, you will get rich and have a career. Simple as, I realised that at 19, you're like 40 yo 4chan babies.

>>450802
LOL , the degree isn't at fault here

>>450945
Man, I just got my first design job at a print agency like 1 month ago. Print IS making a comeback, people are paying mad money for printed stuff and billboards. Design is so unique and broad that you can't ever say it will die, you'll just have to adapt. I mean the skillset they want from designers isn't big at all lol, try being a doctor

>>447541
dude, all of these stuff are like intertwined and easy to know. You can't do graphic design, without knowing marketing, you can't do good graphic design without knowing a lot of software and platforms. I mean do you honestly think you'll be worth the money just as a photoshop designer let's say ?

>>447277
I was looking on Linkedin at a company that has been doing design around my area for 40 years. Lots of experience, thousands of sites.

Designs looks like something I could make in about one sitting. I've done more design work during COVID than ever before also.

>>450961
>If you love it and would do it for free, you will get rich and have a career.
biggest lie ever told, I hope you don't believe it. Otherwise you will find yourself very sad and disappointed.

>>451238
and poor

>>451238
>>451249
jokes on you. I am already all of those things

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>>451249
>and poor
Then you cut your ear off and coomit suicide because you're a failure. Eventually you'll get famous after your death and some AI will make money by replicating your style of design.

>>451253
survivorship bias.

>oh the irony

>>445759
>Programming
Also going to be replaced by AI. Why don't YOU learn an actual skill?

>>451253
i dont think van gogh thought he was a failure as an artist.
maybe somewhat as a person, but not as an artist

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>>445757
I actually came to this board in hopes of finding some freelancers for a cooking website idea I had, I don't really wanna use Upwork or anything like that if I can help it. Ideally a web developer and graphic designer, especially any who like how websites looked in the mid to late 00s

>>445759
>learn to code
throwing stones from a glass house

>>445757
Blah blah blah. I work at a small firm. We need 3 people and can't fill the positions. Graphic Design will always be in demand.

>>451336

How much are you paying compared to average salaries of skilled workers?

Please be honest.

>>445894
>productize design as a subscription

https://getzendo.io/blog/productize-yourself/

>>445761
Go to 1337x and pirate adobe photoshop

>>447277

When every layperson googles 'cheap logos' and finds some SEA person willing to do a bang up job for $50 and provides english support the market has spoken. It was a topic that my teachers talked about a DECADE ago, how to emphaise the local aspect and easy on the fly changes but now with English global proficiency, translators and many different webshops with thousands of freelancers who live in lower cost countries or students willing to work for $500 to make an entire website you, it's extremely dire for the middle to lower market for graphic designers.

The upper tier will be fairly safe, bespoke graphic houses will always be in demand from corporate clients but when you can actually just use a template for $100 (a problem that existed also a decade ago), premade websites like Shopify with no little upfront costs, widgets and plugins that allow you to customize basic templates for a small fee to get that bespoke feeling.... why should smaller businesses pay for $5000 websites + yearly support packages with limited changes + webserver costs again when they can easily do it themselves for 1/4th the cost?

Only the lowest dominitor businesses like local candlemakers who are clueless and never typed into google might give local design shops a go, which is probably still a lot of them but anyone who is remotely savvy will see the top three webpage results, know they can get a product that does 99% of what they want for 25% of the fee.

3rd worlder here
I cannot find jobs at all here, i constantly see shit garbage graphic design on the streets and i apply to many places and I never get a job.
Probably cause they can smell the autism.
Did you know 85% of autistic people with college degrees dont ever get jobs.
Anyway, the only money I make has been by doing works for people online where people dont see my autism and clients were very happy.
I think the problem is that HR is full of useless people that hire based on social ability rather than merit.

>>445800
>I said programming, not coding web dev shit, dumb-dumb (though, for a designer this is not an insult). You have no idea what CS means.

Prime example of Dunning Kruger effect.

>>452359
You got told, sucker! Truth's the hardest pill to swallow. Get replaced.

Maybe I'm just operating in a vacuum but I had very little trouble getting a job 6 months after graduating college, and then getting a new job that almost doubled my salary a year later. Graphic design as an industry is changing with the advent of AI, but I feel like human designers are still integral to a marketing team.

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I'm gonna read this thread but I need to reboot my career. I'm not sure what to do. I thought about UX Design but I don't know. Feels bad man.

>>452421
Learn UI, UX, JavaScript for web design and make a project out of it to add to your portfolio. You're on borrowed time, anon.

>>452440
I don't know what UI or UX mean desu. My knowledge is basically from 2008-2018. I learned Sketch and that's the last thing I did.

>Javascript
I tried learning before. I'm not very good at programming.

>you're on borrowed time
Yeah, I certainly feel like it.

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do you think I can make it in gd?
didn't know how to save so I made a screen shot

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>>445757
I see talented Designers who are now advocating for Good, Fast, and Cheap to stay competitive.
They want you to work much more for much less, participating in the race to the bottom.

>>453282
the more you enforce solidarity, the more prone to corruption the system will get.
the more you encourage competition, the more cut-throat the system will be.

it is an old debate. no answer is correct by principle.
both sides contribute useful perspectives and in the end it is other aspects you need to consider in order to know how to approach a particular case.
I know what you mean, but that in itself doesn't really offer countermeasures or change.
there are reasons why you'd want homogeneity, and reasons for why you'd want heterogeneity.

I’m starting a degree in Industrial Product Design. Do you think AI may be able to automatize product design too?

I find it very hard to conceive, am I wrong?

>>453284
possible. probably not likely, though.
I think the only honest answer is: nobody *really* knows.

there is projects automatizing image to 3d, and other projects trying to automatize manufacturing processes.
so it doesn't seem *completely* crazy.
but at the same time; if what you want to do is local hand-crafting of furniture or creating cad files for mass production, then you are probably save for now.
(my guess)

>>453285
*safe

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>>445759
I'm glad that my old post generated so much salt.

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>>445757
The goal is to have a place I can point clients to when they ask "Do you use AI in your work?".

It's a polarizing, nuanced topic - so I wanted to share deeper context and examples of how AI-generated assets can be part of brand identity.

For me, AI speeds up the execution phase, unlocking more time for exploration and creating new modes of visual expression that would often be cost-prohibitive for early-stage companies.

>>454445
Jesus, are we really going to have AI "designers".

>>454445
Makes sense. Whenever I made a logo, I'd want to spend 90% of the time in strategy, instead of execution, but it was very difficult to get people to pay for it. "We just want something simple" well yeah, I can recreate any logo in about 5 minutes but probably a good idea to research if it's a new idea or if there are better ways of doing it rather than going with one of the first 5 iterations.

>>452359
it's rather clear example of fucking retard

>>454505
What's your leet code rank?

>can't find a job
>want to rope
>see my post from months ago itt
>look up the price of ropes
>look up local bridges

>>454584
cant find any bridges cuz search gui is so badly designed

Fuck you mods, and your mother, for deleting my reply!

>>454595
It's a waste of time posting on this website now. Place has more mods than Reddit.

>>446411
I'm taking a graphic arts degree and I am seriously just thinking of dropping out. I am not learning anything useful and I think it's a waste of time. I'm on my 1st year and yeah, I'm not sure it's gonna work out.

>>454693
so?
what are your lessons and assignments about so far? its not uncommon for ignorant kids not to realize what they are being offered, especially in education for creative shit

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>>454694
mostly math, chemistry and physics regarding graphic products + photography processes (taking a picture with a camera, getting a negative, developing it on film, etc. + stuff like cyanotypes, pinhole cameras, anthotypes)

also a class with some blender 3D modelling but that's about it
i'm kind of split on it honestly, never worked a day in my life and actually my thing is called "graphic technician" which is even more useless than graphic design lol
i also have mechanics which i failed last semester and i'm either gonna pull it over to next year and struggle with it or try to somehow learn that shit just to pass it this autumn
i don't even know man
there are some courses where you do photoshop and illustrator and stuff but i didn't choose them, although there are some mandatory ones later on that do the same thing

next year is typography and printing press, mostly, from what i hear
i feel lost cuz like there's all these people around me who works in graphic studios as apprentices in the making or like do photography outside of college or some shit, a buncha different stuff and i'm just kinda trotting along and passing (most) of my classes
i have no friends or colleagues from university so it kinda sucks in that aspect, too, i travel a lot and i feel lonely and depressed about it (should go to my shrink and take my anti-depressives again)

i'm wondering if it's just better to go like get a job or trade of some sort and do that instead

>>454715
>mostly math, chemistry and physics regarding graphic products
when i say this, i mean stuff like optics in physics, math is your usual calc 1 that i did last semester and now calc 2, it'll continue into calc 3 and 4 which is a bit difficult but my college is kinda lax on it and i think i'll pass it fine

the chemistry for this semester is really fucked though, organic chem and its use in stuff like boundary surfaces and coatings + paint
the teacher is really old and sick, sometimes just doesn't show up to class and it's such a lol thing, i think i'll just memorize most things and get some instructions for the harder, non-theory tasks but eh

Worked 5 years as a graphic motion designer in an agency in Paris and got tired of this shit.
Oversaturated field mean you have to be competitive and that mean adding skills endlessly. I was a print designer, then I had to do UX and web, then learned motion and a bit of 3D, next I had to learn Unreal Engine, that’s when I called quit. Why the fuck should I work even during my free time, mantain a portofolio, learn new tricks like a monkey to earn just enought to pay rent and food.
Now enjoying my needbucks, will see what I do when the free money stop.

>>452441
>User Interface
>User eXperience
basically what "design" is, but rebranded so uncreative, data-driven retards can claim to be designers.

>>454715
Stick with it. Push through and don't drop out. Just get your head in the game and focus on your studies and learning.
Don't worry about your peers and compare your progress to theirs. If you're feeling lost about everyone around you seemingly succeeding, who says you couldn't pick up an internship or unpaid work experience at a studio, agency, press, etc while you study. Just cold call or email them. It'll help you feel less despondent and even if nothing comes of it, why not just try and apply some of your learnings into personal art projects to build some kind of portfolio to use for your next work prospect.
Having a technical edge to graphics and design puts you well ahead of many in the industry where all they know is how to use online design software and a working knowledge of photography and not a lot else.

Not wanting to jump on the AI doom train but using Adobe is beginning to feel so laborious and unnecessary and I've been designing for well over a decade. Designers are not exactly in denial, but the collapse of graphic design by humans just feels sadly inevitable, certainly within a decade.

Plus you've got over saturation, over accessibility and ease of use of software. Its dead. Every millennial I know who graduated in GD/Viscom 10 years ago either transitioned to webdev or got a job in marketing lol

is there an AI that can do landing pages yet?

>>454737
so you learned a whole lot of shit and instead of being proud and hustling, youre resentful? creative life isnt really a sit on your ass thing bb

>>454890
I went to web design myself. There is a lot of crossover. I don't get the hype for AI. Most of the time I copied stuff from Behance and stock sites. We already have millions of quality curated assets to use or trace from.

Where I live I haven't seen a job ad for a Graphic Designer in almost a year, not even kidding, the last ad I saw, I got the job and I've been checking every day since.

>>454737
>free money
Fuck you retard. I wish I could get just a few months of free money so I can go live it up and finally end it but I can't even get that. No one wants to hire anyone that does anything that I used to do anymore and I'm fucking old and my life is such shit that I have zero hopes of ever getting my own place, ever being retired, and now I can't even get shitty freelance work anymore. Fuck everything.

>>454892
Except it used to be for the last 150 years at least.

>>455100

Survivor bias much?
It was easy for those that did not need to work already or were ready to live in misery.

>>455116
No, you're just a dumbass who doesn't understand that not every "creative job" is fucking Michelangelo. 90% of the smalltime jobs that still provided a perfectly good salary will stop existing now.

>>455119

How were those creative jobs, if they were so standard and repetitive that they are being replaced by the fancy cousin of excel?
Having to deal with colours does not necessarily mean you are creative, it means that there is a considerable overlap between your skills and a kid's ones.

>>454932
>job ad for a Graphic Designer

Do zoomers really?

Here's an idea...

If you want to find employment in a creative field, be....creative.

>>455141
lol why so bitter? it is still peoples livelihoods we are talking about.

>>455142
not very clever nor informative

>>455141
>>455142
Retarded NEET detected.

The only design jobs I see are for weed dispensaries or motion graphics

>>455152
dispensary job?
cool

What are the best free tutorials for web and UX design?

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>>455369
Take it from the man himself and stay away from *-design.

>>450711
I'd use my spare time to make money on the side with things that I really wanted if I were you. Being paid for doing nothing. Consider yourself lucky

>>455151
Second post you li ked is 100% correct; no quality positions in the graphic arts are going to be advertised in a want ad and even they are there will be dozens if not hundreds of applicants applying for it.

Looking at emploment ads and crying about how there aren't any for the graphic arts is just brain dead laziness, places that do that kind of work will however often hire people who show some initiative and apply regardless of any ads being placed...because a) it shows creativity and effort and b) it saves them from having to run ads and deal with all the lazy low effort retards who answer them.

Smart businesses where you want to work NEVER place blind ads for randos to show up and waste their time just to find out that they are incompetent and lazy.

>>455870

> No jobs available in the field
> Noooooo it's because real jobs in the field are hidden and it is on you to find them on a puzzling quest!

Olympics begin tomorrow but we already have a winner from the coping competition.

It is this mix of hubris and delusion that makes impossible for normal people to feel sympathy for those of you that are losing jobs due to AI.

>>455889
I still can't fathom why you have been posting the same stuff here for months. Do you have no life or hobbies. It's like going to a knitting forum and complaining that they don't like horse riding. People still create things even though machines can already do it so AI isn't going to change that.

>>455889
>a winner from the coping competition.

Says the nitwit who uses every excuse in the world to rationalize being a loser

There's shit tons of creative careers and skills where you will never, ever see a related "employee wanted" ad ( like "sculptor"), that's just a fact of life...there's too many reasonably qualified people who want those opportunities to make advertising worth the the considerable trouble it is.

I've been on the hiring end of it and every dipshit and their dog shows up thinking that they can just walk in and be indispensible, and the ones who went to school for it and call attention to their "education" are the absolute worst.

And even though you are a snot nosed punk who doesn't deserve any help just because of your shitty know-it-all victim attitude, I'll let you in on this secret- if you ever *do* see an ad seeking some artistic skill like sculpting or drawing cartoons or other fantasy dream art job, applying for it will be a waste of *your* time because it's never what that cool sounding ad sounds like.

Anyway, the fact that all you can create is excuses is and always will be why you can't get your foot in the door. IDGAF if you accept this or like me or not, so wasting your breath with endless attempts to convince the population of a Uruguayan shuffleboard forum that you're right is just proving the point

>>455889
>>455892
>>455896
not that it would mean much to any of you.
but they are all relatively narrow, pedestrian takes.

>>455897
Your lazy, vapid and unsubstaniated opinion about other people's opinions doesn't mean anything; "much" gives you far too much credit.

>>455925
based on how much my messages keep triggering you I don't even believe that this is true haha

>>455926
>not that it would mean much
>my messages keep triggering

you sound very confused

>>455933
why?
I doubt "much" giving it far too much credit.
seems adequate to me. I am not the primary focus. yet annoying enough.

Have been working as a designer for 13 years now, this fcking field is dead, every company wants to rape a designer.

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>>445757
I've worked in signs and graphics for 10 years and have never had an issue getting a job. In fact, I've had other businesses try to head hunt me.

The demand was so great that I started my own business specializing in car wraps, window vinyl, large decaling and business promo. Just purchased a second VG3-640 to keep up.

Do none of you work with physical media?

>>455948
>opening the 1 billionth sign shop
congrats.

>>455936
I started in Graphic Design in 2006, after finishing an animation degree and failing to break into the field. I have no passion for Graphic Design but it pays the bills and there's much worse kind of work to do. Unfortunately this field is going the way of the Dodo, most already think they can just use Canva, then with AI it's just over. I'd like to get another skill but don't know what.

>>455870
get the fuck outta here.

>>455870
Companies place job ads, (either on the newspaper or job seeking sites) because they're looking for help, it has nothing to do with "lazy applicants" you can send all the applications you want but if a company isn't hiring it doesn't mean jack shit except making you look desperate instead of "lazy". HR exists for the reason.

>>454693
drop out and get a degree in something that actually has jobs/demand and pays well. save art/creative endeavors for hobbies.

>>455099
sucks man, I feel very similar to you, the bugs and pod sounds really good right about now.

>>455990
LOFL, maximum retard take.

You honestly think companies ONLY hire as a result of carefully assessing future needs then taking weeks to prepare and run ads and vet candidates? Tell me you've never worked in a successful creative production environment without saying you've never worked in a successful creative production environment.

Just like >>455948 points out, many rearive companies have standing offers to hire from competitors, and regularly try to hire people working at companies that they sub contract creative work to when they need immediate staffing.

The last thing any sane company wants to do is go through posting want ads and interviewing candidates, period.

>seeking work at a company without an active help wanted ad makes you look desperate

JFC, STFU you pathetic juvenile mongoloid blowhard who knows nothing about how businesses work

>>455995
lol gtfoh with your bullshit head canon guy. the field is dying and that's why there are no ads when there used to be ads before, pretty simple, even a dumbass like you should be able to understand that.

>>456000
>there used to be ads before
Before what, brainlet? Let me guess, "boomers"...? Evil corporations? LMMFAO

How many graphic design and related art jobs do you think appeared per week in want ads even during the heyday of want ads and pre-automation?

Or let's look at industries that STILL use lots of artists and graphic designers as part of their normal.operations...when have you ever seen any movie or TV studio or animation house or live theater looking for artists or designers via want ads?

Fucking know nothing retard, ads like that were never a thing in creative fields except for the lowest level shit shit work and scams.

Hate to burst your bubble but even talented artists and designers simply aren't so rare that companies who need them have to cast the kind of wide net a want ad exemplifies.

The reason fucktards like you can't find creative work is because you expect it to be offered like items on a menu where the only effort you have to make is to open up the menu and pick what suits you.

Believe me or not, IDGAF. Been dealing with creative fields and all kinds of ups/downs and tech shifts longer than you've been alive.

>>455948
>Do none of you work with physical media?

No; these lame brains don't even know that art/GD skills are involved in production work and that those jobs are far more secure and plentiful than some fantasy "graphic designer" position where they show their school credentials and the boss falls to his knees weeping, saying "thank GOD you answered our ad!!!!"

These dumbfucks don't even realize that graphic design existed before computers and cant imagine how it could work.

>>456001
>Fucking know nothing retard, ads like that were never a thing in creative fields except for the lowest level shit shit work and scams.
you don't know shit obviously, zoomer faggot.

what the fuck is graphic design even
i see so many designs that lack structure or attention to detail
why even do this shit anymore. ive been working in illustrator for 10 years and for what
gonna become a mechanic instead man, fuck this shit

>>445757
Every new business in my area is using the generic ai image generation profession guy / girl with folded arms meme. It's impossible to get a start. Only the established will survive but they will have to do a hell of a lot of bullshitting and be on socials 24/7.

>>456264
>Every new business in my area is using the generic ai image generation profession guy / girl with folded arms meme.
lol I use the AI for the same thing but the people always end up looking a bit weird, especially when they smile with teeth showing, there's a weird gap in the corner of their mouth...AI is almost there though.

>>455988
>I'd like to get another skill but don't know what.
Same, and I'm fucking 40, I just need a job to work 15 years until I retire but I can't get anything.

>>456001
What are you on about? Everything was just fine until a few years ago.

>>446648
KEK
Delusional

Designers that place function over everything are my least favorite type of designer. No heart. No soul. Never creating anything truly inspiring or interesting. What a waste.

>>445788
>code works or it doesn't.
cute

>>456372
thats not what design is tho so kek

>>456372
You mean design thinking? That's what design is thoughbeit. Function first, aesthetic second. If you want to prioritize art, aesthetic, or emotion before functionality then you're an artist, not a designer.

>>456527
making something work well is aesthetics
anything can 'function' without any design at all

>>454505
>>454512
No replies, as expected.

What about CAD Technician, CAD Drafter?

>>457751
what about them?

>>457752
Is it still a job? I just need a fucking job...

>>457754
should be
look up architectural technician, that kind of thing. some firms just want a competent draftsman to run that part of the shop and who isnt trying to express their design chops . of course anyone who fabricates stuff needs 2d/3d people. some one has to draft the duct work before it gets folded. some one has to hlp the steel fabricators etc etc. not every thing is BIM and people like to cultivat local staff and keep them around for work. so you can freelance and be in house.

that said - dont suck. plenty of young starving architects to compete with. but yes its a thing and theres work there.

>>457751

Forget about that.
Since you don't have a technical background, you risk to aim for the stagnation at the lowest possible step of those ladders.

I would unironically choose any blue collar job over being a cad technician, if I didn't have a technical background that would allow me to get a promotion.

>>457760
not really how it works.
those often those kinds of specialist departments are kinda long term stable. you can likely move from grunt to grunt manager or from grunt to BIM grunt, or manager grunt who keeps an eye on new tech and softwares. it really depends on the firm/situation. Like being an assistant for a lawyer or an account. many long term decently paid types.

>>457755
Yeah thanks I need a university degree for that. I didn't need shit for graphic design except being good at it.

>>457805
not necessarily. lots of places have hiring tests and if you know what youre doing lol just sit down and do it. it will be very obvious. there are also "certifications' you can get in certain softwares. its like being an office manager. and lots of small time engineers or architects in fact pick from less 'pretentious' pools to hire hoping to spend less.

That's rough man

Oldfag here.Graduated GD in 2006. Worked for 2 studios and a Premier League football club. It was definitely a fun and respected job in the 00s/early 2010s. Thankfully never had to deal with any ridiculous woke DEI shit. Quit to go freelance in 2014. Did pretty well for a while but client quality got ever more cheap and insufferable with every passing year and people seemed to lose all respect for the skillset. Made a shitload selling POD t-shirts 2016-2020 before that all went to shit as well.

Quit GD for good after Covid and started a local gardening business. I make more money mowing lawns and trimming hedges than I ever did designing and the stress levels and personal investment are way lower. At my age, you stop giving a shit about 'creative fulfilment' and all that nonsense. I still do personal projects on the side for fun and do occasional logos for local businesses.

I pity anyone entering into the industry now. Creative people will of course always crave this kind of career and its understandable. AI will finally kill it off within a decade, there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind.

>>456001
Completely retarded take, are you a child? I worked freelance for 20 years and 95% of the jobs I did were from ads.

>>458398
LMAO- if this were true and not just LARPing ignorance you pulled out of your ass, you would have needed to suck MAJOR ass if in 20 years you couldn't rely on repeat business from established clients for more than 5% of your work.

Scouring the want ads for clients desperate enough to hire literally who's off the street and almost all of those clients not only *not* offering you a full time job you'd be stupid to pass up but never wanting to work with you again isn't "freelancing", it's just pathetic.

>>458405
Your level of understanding is minimal, probably an effect of your impotent rage. Of course I had repeat business. I worked with several companies for years. I found those companies by answering their ads. How do you imagine someone who starts a company finds a workforce.

>>458406
>Of course I had repeat business

You are the one who claimed that 95% of your work was from answering want ads, not me. Sorry you're too retarded to comprehend the implications of that claim.

>>458407
The implication is that the overwhelming majority of the work I did as a freelancer originated from answering the wanted ads those companies put up, and a minimal part from connections I made by working for those companies, just as I stated. Now stop backpedalling please and just explain how you imagine a company finds its workforce. They just know people for all positions, down from hr all the way to graphic design, it, financial and cleaning the toilets, right?

>>458406
>How do you imagine someone who starts a company finds a workforce.

For actual talent/ skills, smart ones are already partnered with them or headhunt them or any other approach besides a "help wanted" ad.

Those are reserved for the any warm body, cogs in the wheel -type employees, and even then if an enterprising person with more on the ball than just looking for work to be advertised comes in cold calling for employment and isn't an idiot they'll likely pick that person to fill the positiin and shut the ad down in a heartbeat. They might even fire people to make room if you have real talent or experience.

The fact that you think companies just set up shop and then put out ads looking for their core talent rather than approaching known quantities with offers is just precious.

>>458408
>They just know people for all positions, down from hr all the way to graphic design, it, financial and cleaning the toilets, right?

In the vast majority of startups there's *maybe* three people covering all of those tasks, retard.

Something you'd know if you had actually worked in the real world.

>>458408
>The implication is that the overwhelming majority of the work I did as a freelancer originated from answering the wanted ads those companies put up, and a minimal part from connections I made by working for those companies, just as I stated.

And if that is true, it just speaks to how poor your services are since successful freelancers get most or all of their work from steady clients and referrals and other word of mouth and have a backlog of people seeking their services.

Sorry if it bothers you that people with real world experience can't believe you're not LARPing; it's just that only a complete fucking retard would admit needing to answer ads for almost all of their work as a freelance designer and think that's how it's done and act like they are the voice of experience.

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>>458409
>>458410
>>458411
Seething.

>>447277
Nice demoralization post, you asshole. /gd/ is booming!

>>449229
>just put your head in the sand and everything will be ok!
Retard. It's 1 year later, how do you feel now, faggot?

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Oh no, sisters, they're going to silently fire us!

>>458423
The people who refuse to acknowledge anything but career ending doom and gloom and try to silence all other perspectives and historical examples of automation not destroying industries are the ones with their heads in the sand.

>>458423
>>458428
I don't get this whole debate.

people are definitely going to lose jobs because large parts of their skills and expertise are about to turn obsolete.
the next generation will skip learning these exact skills and be fine, sure. doesn't protect other people from being buttfucked right now...

why are these two sides of the debate even fighting each other? obviously they both capture part of reality

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>>458429
>people are definitely going to lose jobs because large parts of their skills and expertise are about to turn obsolete.

Only people who refuse to adapt and expand their skill set...something that has been part and parcel of maintaining a long term career in visual design and production work since it began...not to mention countless other fields where entire skillsets that were once critical have been rendered obsolete, but the field actually grew as a result.

>OH FUCK, now ANY IDIOT can use a stick with a rag on the end like the hack in picrel to steady his hand for fine line work instead of learning Le Important Human Touch method that imparts SOUL!?!??

>I HAVE DEVOTED MY LIFE TO THAT SKILL....WHY WONT THE GOVERNMENT DO SOMETHING???

>>458433
The main problem is that there is always improvements on productivity and output that only does translate in another cut on the number of workers and lower pay. Creative goals that took 2 weeks with a team of 20 people brainstorming, researching and producing will be replaced by a group of 5 and take 1 week max, instead of having more free time. If it is the future you want to live, sure, be my guest, but we are getting fucked in the ass with a smile on the face.