>>452519
historically the arts are an inherently homosexual/androgynous-leaning commitment.
Dionysos was often both male and female.
Apollo was (very) gay.

and while cultural differences can be found, there is a tendency for the androgyn having often been perceived as the synthesis of male and female within one body.
it is a form of balance, a sort of yinyang, that sometimes has been perceived purer than either half on its own.

the hermaphrodite is neither male nor female. it can therefore serve as the role of a male when interacting with the female, or as the role of the female when confronted with the male.
it will never be either of them, but be able to sympathize with both - understanding aspects of human existence neither do on their own.
culturally this was made good use of: men knowing that a member would not take advantage of their wives allowed them to stay with the tribe - for example as shamans.
larger religions artificially created this effect with celibacy and castrated eunuchs. their payoff matrix is different.

the gay is not a hunter. nor a father or a mother.
it has a unique role in society and a lot of time. time a parent does not have.
they do not find eternal life by raising children, but by creating artifacts.

don't forget we are talking stereotypes here.
also I am not a fag personally. I don't care about them. I am not interested in discussing politics.

>>452521
>the gay is not a hunter. nor a father or a mother.
>it has a unique role in society and a lot of time. time a parent does not have.
>they do not find eternal life by raising children, but by creating artifacts.

Glad that you qualified this as being about stereotypes; obviously being "gay" doesn't prevent conception and plenty of gay people have biological offspring via heterosexual encounters that oddly enough don't mark them as straight for life the way even a single same sex encounter is held as making someone irreversibly not straight.

And of course non- biologically connected individuals of all sexual stripes can and do contribute to child rearing not just among humans but throughout the animal kingdom...the idea that non-reproducing individuals are an aberration that nature abhors because they can't contribute to the continued existence of the species is just monumentally dumb.

The other stuff about androgyny and its unique perspective and the value placed upon it historically is all spot on and the fact that it isn't considered or spoken of more is an interesting study...if for no other reason that it shows how quickly and near completely vast amounts of history and belief and experience can be virtually disappeared in public discourse and understanding.

Fact is that the current notions of what is "true" and "correct" and " natural" and "understood" by "science" regarding this aspect of human existence are but a tiny blip in the history of such notions...people act as if they are ancient truths when in many cases they aren't even a century old...and act as if they are or were universally accepted when they have literally never been universally accepted.

A good rule of thumb is that when extreme ridicule and summary dismissal is the go to approach to any of these concepts, there's often something being actively hidden that people are desperate to prevent from being known.

>>452521
lol dumb cunt you cant write that then pretend 'am so above le politics'

>>452519
cograts you dont live in a shitty small town anymore i guess dont be such a pussy faggot

>>452582
>cant write that then pretend 'am so above le politics'
lul wut? why? are you retarded? I did not mention a single political word. what is there for me to pretend?
not a single word about who should be allowed or forbidden to do what. not about suppression or minority politics. I didn't suggest future plans or goals. didn't sell an agenda, nor hated on one. nothing.

I compiled a few historical facts that are obviously related to what OP asked.

if your smooth brain can't handle the cognitive dissonance coming from not being able to argue against anything gay related that doesn't make me political but you easy to provoke, my little snowflake.
>I beg you to show me the political part of what I said
also learn how to read! I said 'discussing politics'. everybody has a political opinion to some degree.

>>452583
LOL, you are once again spot on...

>>452582 unwittingly proves the point about how the very concept of androgyny angers and inflames people of limited intellect who *need* to see everything as black/white either/or, us/vs them, red/blue, whatever.

Even inelligent people have to accept that much of the subject isn't well understood or provenale one way or another and requires acknowledging that truth to be intellectually honest, but the morons facing that hurdle just lose their minds and HAVE to make it a political issue and thus a moral one of right vs wrong so they know which "side" to be on. That's also why even the suggestion of viewing things as a "spectrum" for the purposes of an expanded perspective angers them...there's no "side" to be on or be morally opposed to.

>>452582 also unwittingly proves why procreation for its own sake isn't all its cracked up to be, simply by existing. Thankfully the chances of him ever participating in the process are slim to none.

>>452585
I wouldn't even have known without your validation!
hopefully you'll keep rephrasing my own takes in order for me to understand them

>>452594
None of that was a "rephrasing of (your) own take", but if you think it was maybe you could use one.

Are you just not familiar with the concept of a "conversation", or did you confuse this with your personal blog?

>>452596
I would like it to be a conversation. that is why it annoys me to read a longer version of my own point... am I missing something??

>>452597
This post >>452583 (evidently you) was a defense against a claim by some moron that you implied 'I am so above le politics'...

>>452585 comments on the moron and his motivations but doesn't "rephrase" your defense at all, and only references it in the very beginning by saying it was correct.

If someone doing so "annoys" you then you clearly aren't capable of an actual conversation.

Same goes for getting pissy and snarky when someone offers their own thoughts after reading yours...you seem to want to make comments without anyone else talking about the same ideas and subjects, that's not how conversations work.

This isn't your blog, so either stay on topic and quit attacking people for agreeing with you and adding their own thoughts, or expect pushback.

It's an interesting subject, why the fuck can't you just discuss it and let others do the same without going off topic to critique their posts in a snotty manner and being an asshole?

>>452604
me:
>smooth brain (singular) can't handle the topic. that doesn't automatically make me talk politics
you:
>these smooth brains (plural) can't handle the topic. but without ever impregnating a woman.
and I am the asshole?
you are selling the same idea as me but making it politics again by painting this image of some antagonistic group.
this is your agenda. not mine. and I will NOT NOT comment on you incorporating my argumentation into your message. you don't like reading blogposts. why would I care? don't read them.
I prefaced not being about politics. you come along and try bridling me into your own narrative.
you can add whatever you want to the discussion, but appealing to my non-assholeness and telling me to accept your message without criticizing you will not change MY behavior. I am sorry if you feel betrayed, but I have no interest in supporting one side of the political discussion over the other. neither by my own choice, nor by yours. I am not part of your message. even if there is overlap. talk for yourself. but get off my ass. I am not interested in circle jerking.

>that's not how conversation works
actual conversations might be more complex than you are trying to imply. in my world showing annoyance can be a fair part of it - just like showing affiliation, opinion, reason or status.
I choose context in my messages with purpose. that original purpose is more important to me than being perceived a nice person on a weaving forum.

what makes you assume I am not expecting pushback?
what makes you assume that anticipating a reason for setting boundaries between the two of us not to be part of what I have in mind?
I agree. it is an interesting subject and I am looking forward to what you are going to contribute without making me a part of it.

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>>452521
>culturally this was made good use of: men knowing that a member would not take advantage of their wives allowed them to stay with the tribe - for example as shamans.
that's not what happened. what happened is that the "shaman" - let's stick with that - banged the chicks too. The animal kingdom and even recent japanese history has enough evidence of this, see "wakashu" culture... There's also the possibility that some pre historic people were matriarchal, so women choose their mates anyway and men had no say in the first place. This may have stopped with the start of 'harem economies', as they are actually called - think ancient Egypt for a very simple, long lasting and prominent example. The palaces of these bronze age city states were basically manufactures for fine art trinkets, clothes and non metal tools of all kinds. All these cultural achievements, like death masks and such are more often than not the legacy of long forgotten slave cultures they assimilated. Now here comes my own speculation: in some places and times such kings, who herded and bred the women of captured tribes, wised up to the sneaky nature of the swishy men they probably got as bycatch when those were still boys. I suspect, since the bloodline meme is directly linked to the rise of these patriarchal city states, that this has to be the time around which they came up with their own perverted facsimile of the former shaman: the eunuch harem-administrator. Like pharaonic circumcision and foot binding for women, this is the medicine for "gay" men in such a milieu.
>>452523 got it right, I think - but you're spot on with the rest you said
>Glad that you qualified this as being about stereotypes; obviously being "gay" doesn't prevent conception and plenty of gay people have biological offspring via heterosexual encounters that oddly enough don't mark them as straight for life the way even a single same sex encounter is held as making someone irreversibly not straight.

>>452519
try shutting the fuck up idiot

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>>453526

Homos like the creative fields because it's all in the head. You'll never see a gay be happy to work a construction job.

>>453526
Haha… Homo alert!

>>453529
>>453530
>>453533
haha underage in the closet faggots alert

ive met more macho queers than you'll ever hope to be

get a life

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>>452521
Interesting stuff to think about. I have been again racking my brain about the themes and generally the philosophy of elden ring a lot lately in preparation for the DLC. Not sure if you're at all familiar but Marika/Radagon as a sort of twinned soul/male and female aspect of a single person.

>>453536
>macho queers
oxymoron (noun)
UK: /ˌɒk.sJˈmɔː.rɒn/
US: /ˌɑːk.sJˈmɔːr.ɑːn/
two words or phrases used together that have, or seem to have, opposite meanings

>>452519
>Study art
>Realize you cant really make living out of it
>Become communist

>>452519
doesn't matter.
make right wing design.

>>453552
>seem to

>>453553
hitler wasnt a communist

>>453560
i guess you could try

op here, how the fuck is this thread still up, anyways I dropped out it was fucking lame and the teacher sucked, now I draw furries full time

>>453606
another victory for the queer design agenda

>>452519
They've spent most of their time drawing furry porn since they were 12

>>453650
furries arent really a queer thing

>>453606
see?

>>453651
>furries arent really a queer thing
feminine penis meme of 2024

poomp

>>453606
Same dropped out of concept art. Theyre worship of androgynous females and feminine male designs really put me off. What suprised me more is that they shit on older vidya games like the original god of war series. The teacher also sucked and used the class as he's personality cult.

>>453606
Same. dropped out of Nordic reprsentational publc hair brush art school. They worship those without integrity like a satanist rumspringa - anything goes if it makes the crowd clap like beefy pussy lips. Really i guess my inane gender ideology stops me from designing becuase i dont want to reveal my femininity. oh and they thought everything i liked must suck so clearly thy are wrong and it is they who suck. no clue why no one likes me.

>>452519

Bc gd is gay

>>455053
god youre worse that op

because it's easy. fags and women have no backbone. the end

>>455082
not true
in fact the opposite is true
but what would you know about struggling in life?

imagine how much of a wreck you have to be mentally, that >>455053 triggered you lmao

Everyone knows the gays and the transexuals love nothing more than to think they are different from others. Or to be "authentically" themselves.

Graphic Design is the bottom rung of artistic careers. There have been great graphic designers, but the bar for the field is very low.

But these two together and you have a demograhic of people who love 'expressing' themselves but are untalented and borderline unskilled. So they march right over to college then spend four years further mutilating flags and wordmarks with eye-bleaching colors. That's how you get transexuals studying gd.

>>455200
kindly fuck off

>>452521
Except all this crap you said happened in the last century, after the sexual revolution in the 60s and all the 3rd wave feminism and shieeet. Historically homos were in the closet, surely artists weren't flamboyant faggots. The concept of the arts or even anything refined like fashion and music being le gay is probably a puritan retardation, look at the ancien regime, you probably think everyone was gay in a 18th century court only because they weren't "manly" burping after gulping pints of beer at the pub while watching sports

>>453530
>homos are smarter than me
You're either gay or a retard then, in both cases fuck off with this bullshit

>>453553
More like:
>being brainwashed by communist since kindergarten
>be midwit that can't think for himself
>follow the communist dogma
>go to art school since it's basically a communist party rally
Look up Gramsci's "cultural hegemony" and you'll understand why everyone is subverted today

>>455215

This >>455050 proves that you're either into the commie circlejerk or you're out. New Hitlers growing up

>>455200
This is the most convincing explaination. Basically the flamboyant fags you always notice (not all the homos) are attention whores and act accordingly. They're borderline mentally ill, and I'm not talking about liking male anuses in this case, but having an obvious histrionic disorder. Since deviations often go hand in hand (like schizoid autists and ocd) it doesn't surprise me

>>455217
schizo and autistic are the exact polar opposites. two extremes that form the end points of that spectrum.

the *schizo* mind tends to overemphasize the *internal representation* (cognitive model) of the world; hence magical thinking and conspiracies.
the *autistic* mind tends to overemphasize the *external world* (perceivable stimuli) that the world offers; hence overly literal understanding.

one cannot really see reality for what it objectively is, but has strong/loud internal reactions/feelings (good artists usually can do this).
the other cannot come up with interesting internal representations that fit the intuitive/emotional side of the human brain - the mapping is sterile and direct (good engineers usually can do this).

>>455224
Both those types usually have ocd, social anxiety or other mental issues tho. My point was that some conditions are often paired

>>455224
Btw I don't know which one of those is the meme 4channer type:
>can see reality through the wall of bullshit
>builds complex world view and explains facts accordingly
Looks like a mixture of both

>>455227
I agree. both extremes are abnormal (as in evolutionarily pressured).
but obviously they can still offer partially beneficial/'unique' behaviors to the larger apparatus that is (current) society as well! - today, probably more so than ever?
*IF* the schizo/autist manages to find a fitting little niche for themselves to occupy, they do offer a useful addition to the larger discussion. simply by nature of being special/abnormal and having a unique perspective. (two eyes are better than one).
jaron lanier talks about a "circle of empathy", which can be expanded or shrunk down in order to productively balance versatility vs. legibility. but of course there are much more scientific descriptions as well!

this is also why the internet tends to love 'em weirdos. the web is a huge logistics system. we enjoy satisfying our curiosity with unique experiences and this HUGE system *kind of* knows which opinions and ideas to connect with which consumer.

but still. if societal incorporation is to no avail, such behavioral extremes can naturally be a huge hindrance as well! - disturbing and even burdening the otherwise relatively smooth coexistence of similar-to-each-other people.

so I would argue that outcasts from both sides of the spectrum do find their way into these sacred halls, yeaa.
but, of course, there are many other psychological dimensions, the extremes of which probably are overrepresented around here as well.
dimwits and geniuses, narcissists and schizoids, political ideologues of different extremes,...

a bunch o' losers. but that is why we love (hate?) each other

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>>455230
you got it, champ!
I am feeling so dominated rn

>>455215
lol what a fuck wit

why dont you go re-read up on elon musk in light of gramsci's "cultural hegemony"

then kindly fuck off

>>455217
just fuck off

>>455235
>>455236
>can't say anything relevant against the post which was exposing a certified truth
>insults
Hi Shlomo!

>>455237
go apply your theory to elon musk and cultural hegemony. thats the fucking idiocracy fascist hegemony. dumb fuck. you cant even read a 4chan post cunt

>>455240
>hey look this only single example of mogul with... media power!
>it's the same of thpusands of thpusands of commie professors, critics, artists, judges, theachers, journalists, philosophers etc etc invading and subverting academia for a century
>don't you see it's the same! Retard!!!!
Hahahahaha commie braindead. Keep shouting muh Elon, but go back doing it on your padded ecochamber on plebbit lmao

>>455241
tell me you you arent smart by posting how dumb you are

>>455250
>"you're not le smart" ad hominem
Cringe lefty tactic. Well, I'm retarded, now what? My vote is worth as much as yours big brain. I bet that democracy drives you nuts, "democratic" friend

>>455252
>self destruction initiated

>>455253
>ramdom greentext
Ouchie, you surely got me with that one commietard, I'm literally crying now kek

>>455255
your tears are supposed to change what, exactly? lmao
>oh right, retard has a vote as well! how could I forget!?

>>455256
You're so up your ass you can't even understand when someone is making fun of you. With that premise it's not surprising that the left can't meme

>>455252
lol u dumb

>>455259
oh, if that's not another cheap exaggeration again (that we both have been guilty of - sure!), then you've completely misunderstood me! that wasn't the point.
I wanted to know what the joke was supposed to do or even change??

like...
>ooooooh, mf has a vote as well!!!!!
has to be the most anticlimactic resolution for a politically tinted confrontation you could have anticipated. so I assumed there to be a point my commie arse is not getting...

>>455262
You need an explanation? It's not a joke: letfards like you like to feel superior calling anyine who disagrees with you an illiterate pleb, a low IQ subhuman, while implying all the smart educated people must be progressives faggots like you. The problem is that you are just a midwit 100IQ who got fed with commie slop by your teachers (who are in majority marxists or lefty leaning, cultural hegemony again). Coming to my post, what's something that could make a commie retard like you mad? Not calling you a retard of course, because you're so smart right? The easiest way to make you loose your mind is pointing out that democracy, which you defend by words, is based on equality between you geniuses and the plebs you dislike. That's the point where you start foaming and calling for "test people to get a voting patent", basically showing your true commie nature. Clear now?

>>455300
brainlet over here still typing

>>455300
difference is you defend elon, while I never defended marxism. so our accusations are crucially not the same...
who knows what else is there you are getting wrong?

do you really think the richest people in the world have your personal interests in mind? lol what is that if not dumb?
what would even be a better adjective to describe that sentiment but 'dumb', you contrarian cuck?
and am I allowed to condemn market centralization dynamics (on the web or elsewhere) without appealing to extreme communism?
like. what even is the problem with criticizing the fucker of musk in the first place????
>because there are other people worthy of being criticized as well reeeeeeeeee
fucken kek this is not how criticism works... world is more complicated than that. you are falling for blatant identity politics and accuse me of putting people into predefined buckets???? lmao

yea, you have a vote.
NO SHIT BRAH
and I have a hunch that your hate for me as an extend of le leftie commie hoarde is informing it more than any elaborate plans are?

>>455301
oh, shut up...

>>455302
you left out hegemony
remember, its the marxist hegemony seeing as how marxists are in charge of everything everywhere making it so i cant be successful

>>455302
>you defend Elon
Where exactly? Only in your own head because you're obsessed. I've just attacked commies and their soft power oppression system

>>455307
what are we disagreeing on then?

Why college for a low skilled job like graphic designer?

>>455307
imagine being oppressed by soft power
>ewwwwww weak

>>455308
Idk, but we can agree this >455355 is weak bait and cringe

>>452521
>Dionysos was often both male and female.
>Apollo was (very) gay.
source: my ass

>>455358
soft weak and cringe

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>>455724
does your retardation inhibit you from even opening motherfucking wikipedia?!
in the mythology apollo fucks a b*y, you ignorant piece of shit!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynomorph

>>455736
>fucks a boy
Nope. He simply loves him. The Greeks were just more emotionally mature than you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_love
You didn't unironically fall for the baseless 20th century revisionism of Ancient Grecian sexuality did you?

I concede that Dionysus was depicted effetely, but not as "female".

>>455737
>he simply loves him
do you really think the greeks didn't fuck?! TOPKEK
apollo was gay. whether that fits into your pea brain or not.

>dionysos was often *both* male AND female
"not female"

>>455738
I didn't say they didn't fuck. I said they weren't gay, that they weren't this homosexually liberal culture by-and-large. Which is true. It is groundless to assume otherwise.

>>452519
because graphic design doesn't solve any problems
the queerification of our society proves it

nothing works anymore

>>455739
Apollo flies the queer flag bro
polymorphic perverse
aint no normie cis
deal with it

>>455785
can you hear yourself

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>>455781
Yeah, since when did communication ever solve anything?
>the queerification of our society
the lady protest too much

>>455739
dafuq are you talking about, bitch?
>no homosexuals without liberal culture
TOPKEK

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>>452519
at this point there are still people going to college to get degrees in "Graphic Design"?? Holy shit, must be the most retarded people on Earth.

>>455790
yeah that ain't what i said

>>455797
then what did you say?
and what did you disagree with?

>>455798
what i said is literally what i said

>>455799
in that case I consider you talking hot air

>>452611
>>453533
>>455200
>>455255
>>455300
>>455355
>>455788
Dubs of truth. Stfu faggots

>>455801
oh look! another faggot trying to bridle me into their narrative.
stfu as well, opportunistic cunt

>>455787
ye i hear myself fucking you and your mother

>>455802
Kys poojeet

>>452519
There was only one fag in my design school and he dropped out after 2 semesters. Most of the people I graduated with became salespeople. Here's what happens: you learn design, but you have to sell design. So you learn how to sell. Then you realize that there's a larger market for selling anything from loans (cars, homes, etc.) to insurance. So you apply the sales skills to earn 3x the salary of a designer. It's really that simple.

>>456380
architecture is like this too - but they go into analytic/consulting/strategy type shit for those extra white glove buckerinos. still basically salemen. til the make all the boeings fall out of the sky.

>>452519
I’m gay and not studying gd because it’s too faggy even for me.

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>>455224
Autists used to be classified as a form of schizo. ADHD is like the ultra-light form of both of these.
The actual "Polar Opposite" grouping from the schizo grouping is the set that contains psychopaths, sociopaths, and BPD.

I do wonder if psychos were the "original artists" centuries ago, because art is all about illusion and careful presentation. A tempera painting on wood panels - the predominant form of 2d art for most of european history up until the late medieval, but this does apply to oil as well - can look drastically different depending on where it's located. Being acutely aware of, and having no qualms about manipulating, others' perceptions is an advantage for artists and the people who they are making art for, but a disadvantage to society if such people have other professions.

Contrast this with how a sperg would probably be happy with his food and such taken care of and getting to do the same thing all day every day with good routines, rigid adherence to rules, and the fact that there is some research showing that autists actually do have "retard strength" due to higher levels of HGH. The makings of guards and other law enforcement.

Now understand that current society has the people in these roles flipped.


My theory on homosexual shit is more that it seems to be something that occured as accessory to - not a replacement of - heterosexual relationships. Countless depictions of ancient people in such ways.
>male soldiers being intimate with each other, then going home to fuck their wives and keep their household nice
>women "playing" in communal baths
This seems to indicate that both the "people accepted gays in ancient times" and "monogamy is a modern invention" are both wrong. My evaluation is that "strictly-homosexual extramarital relations between people who are close emotionally and mentally" fits many criteria:
>less-prone to spreading disease, no whores
>no risk of unclear paternity
>less prone to jealousy
>increased soldier morale

>>452519
fags are attention whores.
The straights in the field are njoying the craft in silence.
all you see are the gays cause theyre loud and have to let you know about their sex lives every .2 seconds.

>>456425
>glares in silence heterosexual resentment
stop shouting your fucking sexuality at everyone, cunt

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>>456424
>The actual "Polar Opposite" is the set that contains psychopaths, sociopaths, and BPD.
the actual "polar opposite" is probably something like a car tire or smthg.
so what is the point in going for another arbitrary definition without even giving arguments?? (appeal to authority much?!)
there is a lot of interesting observations to be made from my original distinction...

also notice that schizo is not a diagnosis. e.g. there are *psychotic disorders* AND *personality disorders* with that prefix.
are you talking about schizoid pd? there are other issues that are NOT part of cluster A (c-A), yet still referred to as 'schizo'.

>greek "schizein", "to split":
schizophrenia is a misperception of reality (delusion) = "splitting of the mind"
schizoid personality disorder (c-A) = "schizophrenia-like personality disorder"
schizotypal personality disorder (c-A) = paranoia, anxiety
schizoaffective disorder = schizophrenia + mood disorder
schizotypy = disssociation, psychosis
object relations psychology knows the schizoid empty core, which also finds use in explaining narcissism (c-B wtf)

the commonalities are hallucination, delusion and magical thinking; a certainty that purely *internal notions* (basically thought processes) have *external sources* (hyperreflexia).
hence conspiracies and increased "creativity" (e.g. Eysenck correlated psychoticism with creativity).
c-B tends to interpret external stimuli as internal (see BPD or NPD emotional regulation) - also merging int and ext!
>schizophrenia overweights unconscious predictions. the world model then has to come up with a way that incorporates the prediction errors. (see pareidolia)
>autism on the other hand overweights sensory evidence. (hence wariness to complex, noisy environments, but increased performance in things like Embedded Figures Test)

and still. I think 'the schizo' and 'the autist' are great terms because they contain actual schizophrenia and actual autism without purely being restricted to them.