I've spent years doing UI, UX, and graphic design. I want to start building some web stuff myself, but I'm daunted by the steep learning curve. HTML and CSS come pretty easy, and I understand the fundamentals of flex. Jumping into this side of things isn't so bad.But I'm daunted as shit by JS. Suffering through the initial Hello World tutorial sounds brutal, and even beyond JS, merely setting up and maintaining a workspace (vscode, the terminal, installing packages, git, etc.) looks painful.Anybody know of a decent video course with a tolerable instructor and a focus on modern techniques (flex-centric, good JS framework)?
>>456481Odin project.There's kinda a steep learning code at the start of the js course, but that's because they teach you essentials like git and version control. But it's necessary, and it's not too difficult desu.I've had more trouble mastering illustrator pen tool than getting up and started with js.
>>456482Thanks anon. This looks solid. The foundations course outline puts command line, git, ssh etc. up front, and then hits HTML, CSS, Flex before going to JS. Makes good sense.I'll throw a few hours at this while the wife and kid are out of town, and try my best.
>>456481why not just find online tutorials like w3schools and start building projects yourself? easy to test them on localhost. I write code into notepad this way and build sites, never used any program because I'm working on my own and don't need to use them
>>456481there's like a bunch of Udemy courses...here is one I started:https://www.udemy.com/course/design-and-develop-a-killer-website-with-html5-and-css3I was learning but I stopped because I just don't see any jobs for this where I live.
>>456485Yeah true I could just write code snippets locally and that'd get me halfway there without the frustration of JS or a "proper" workspace, because I'm mostly concerned with CSS at the moment. But also I'm the sole product designer at a small company, and I'm starting to get frustrated at my frontend devs for doing a middle-of-the-road job no matter how thoughtful I am in Figma about flex containers, using columns/percentages for when the viewport scales down, even using 'object-fit: cover' to adjust image containers etc. it's like I have to spell it out so much. To be fair, they're just junior and never built a scaled up iterative web site before. But if I'm going to be typing all this shit out in my Figma annotations, I might as well start doing some of it myself.So the goal is to help by digging into the codebase myself (eventually), and to become more intelligent about writing classes for a type system, a set of padding values instead of just writing them every time. Even our classes for buttons, form fields, colors are kind of fucked up, and not perfect.So that's why I want to learn the damn stuff, markup, JS and all.Also, I feel like I could freelance on some good money with skills like these, once the fed lowers rates, and there are apes out there with venture capital who want to build a slick website. List my services at outrageous prices and see who bites. That's the dream anyway.
>>456488nice
>>456481/g/ainfully employed anon here. before you learn javascript, get comfy with the terminal and git. you can use those tools to work on html+css projects without touching js. from there, you can use vscode if you want, but many people find editing files from the terminal more comfy.once you've learned the basics of using the terminal, then do js. here's some things i wish i knew when i started:>there are 2 kinds of javascript: client-side and server-side. client-side is what runs in your users' web browsers. server-side is what runs on the server that sends data to your users.>client-side and server-side javascript work differently. when you google "how to do X in javascript," be sure to check that the result you clicked on works in the environment you're programming for.>most server-side javascript projects run on nodejs, which is a special environment that adds extra features to javascript. not everything in node will be available in the browser.>typescript adds some safety features to javascript, which protect you from common programming bugs. the trade-off is that you have to learn a more complex system. it's worth it if you're working on a large project with many people, or if you want a job.>people will tell you to learn javascript frameworks (react, vue, svelte, etc.), but you don't need them for a personal project. if you want to learn a framework to get a job, learn react. the others are much less frequently used, and once you know one, picking up another isn't too bad.>if you get sick of javascript (as many people do), you can write your server-side code in another language, like python or go. this is much nicer.>if you really, really hate javascript, you can use a library like htmx and never write any javascript yourself.basically, start slow, double-check what you find on google, and remember that there are alternatives.
