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I need to save more of these so I can make my own thread.

Rookie anon from 2 Fridays ago here, I went back to my first place and got a real granny this time. She was like 45-50yo easy. She wasn't like ugly looking, just older I could tell. There was no ass to grab onto for stimulation but she followed my directions on the handjob. Some of them are too rough on the head and I have to tell them "softer" with the language barrier.

I more or less get their routine for the 30 min massage now.

>rub oil on their hands and massage up and down my body which feels great
>after a while, they use a warm wet towel to wipe the oil off
>then a dry towel to soak the moisture (gets me a bit chilly)
>then they lightly graze their fingernails all over my body, lightly tickling closer and closer to my groin
>by the time she gives me a pillow to flip over on I am already half-erect from her teasing
>she tickles it a bit more to get it fully erect and then lubes up her hands and gets started
>since I don't have as much stimulation(ass) to use, it takes me a bit longer but I eventually bust
>she washes her hands and continues the massage for another 10 min while on my back

I particularly loved the scalp massage I'll have to ask for extra time there.

pic unrelated, the worst kind of handjob you can get unless you're into that stuff

>>28049216
oh forgot when I was done she said "ok handsome you're all finished" that made me feel good hehe

If I can give just one advice, it would be to spend within your means guys. Don't get fucked financially when you get into this hobby, the temptation is real and it can get out of control pretty quick.

Gotta be smart too. I've been scammed out of my money many times. Usually, if its too good to be true then it is. I would probably stick to one or two providers and try to build something out of that.

My next step is going to Thailand. If only there was a way to make a living while there.

>>28049299
yeah I limit myself to 1 AMP visit per week, spend about $100 each visit since I only need a massage and HE, $400/mo is sustainable for me

>>28049313
i go to a FS place twice a month comes out to about the same its 230 but i just get 250 everytime, every now and then ill splurge and get an escort, but thats very rare i hate having to deal with them
next time i go ima try and take pictures/video if theyre ok with it

>>28049299
It can definitely get addicting. I had a few months this past year where i'd do it every week or two, and it got bad enough to where even the hookers started being passive aggressive and sort of prying, asking what else I do besides hookers, indirectly though. You know it is a good sign to give it a break when you're really not getting "off" even if you're cumming and find yourself probably having had a better time just jerking off than being with an actual real woman, even if the woman was hot or the sex wasn't bad.

>mong
???

>>28049376
not trying to get permafucked into oblivion (b&) and simplifying it.
(monger and escort thread)

>>28049175
What sites to find hookers? All I find seem scammy.

>>28049383
I'm in the US

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wait till end

>>28049383
privatedelights
tryst
eros
rubmaps for AMPs, use advanced search to fiddle with it to find good ones even if you cant read the reviews

>>28049394
brutal

>>28049362
>it got bad enough to where even the hookers started being passive aggressive and sort of prying, asking what else I do besides hookers, indirectly though

what? why would they be passive aggressive?

>>28049461
it got bad. They're still women, still people, you get what you give. If you treat them like disposable fuck things, they might get resentful. If you give them a reason to get to that point, they'll start giving bad service. If you treat them chill and normally, you'll get that back, but if you don't like I kind of did, then yeah, they'll get real passive aggressive with it. It can easily spiral out of control if you're not careful or if you have other things going on.

>>28049216
>webm related
God that's hot. Need to find a girl who just does it nice and slow like that. No rush.
I google translated "softer" so I can take that next time and lol fuck pronouncing even one basic word in chinese.
>then they lightly graze their fingernails all over my body, lightly tickling closer and closer to my groin
That's the best. Great routine.
>pic unrelated, the worst kind of handjob you can get unless you're into that stuff
Lol yeah I would never be able to bust to this pace and gloves on but the slowness is definitely my thing at the start.
>>28049225
The grannies are so flattering.
>>28049383
It seems completely counter intuitive, but the generic scammy AI images promising very young new girls and give a location to a massage parlor are all a legit chinese agency chain. No, they are not young and it's completely random who is there but they will tug you. I haven't risked the similar ones leading to a hotel room.
>>28049313
That's going to have to be my pace. I'm the guy too insensitive for condoms. FS feels like I'm doing the girls a service. Not really even into HJs but I can't find a girl willing to do BBBJ yet.

>>28049299
I've honestly ramped up visiting amps lately but that's mostly out of boredom and/birthday and wanting to explore more. It hasn't been much but I'm going to cut back if not off now.
Usually with brothels I'll visit maybe once month to help take the edge off and stave off the loneliness a bit longer.

>>28049299
>>28049313
>>28049339
>>28049362
>I would probably stick to one or two providers and try to build something out of that.
This is the best advice. I don't have a provider but I have a shop that basically has a service standard; and they consistently recruit good, young women who work to that standard. I can always call or message and know I'm going to have a good time.

I don't advise this at all but other addicts know how fun it is to just try out everything that's out there. Because maybe that new place that just opened will be a real gem? That's actually how I discovered the place that I currently frequent. I watched as they finished remodeling this bungalo. There were no reviews or anything anywhere. Just tried it out the week it opened and it happened to be the best place I've ever visited! It's just like a drug and I'm always itching to get my fix. It's just really fun and convenient. I don't have a whole lot going on in my life besides work and so this is what I do. Nevertheless, I've gotta reel this back to once a week. Unfortunately, I don't have fuck you money.

>>28049541
The convenience is what gets you. It can be so convenient to just pop in or send a text, and within an hour, if you're that horny and need to get off, you can be inside of a woman, don't need to know her real name, you exchange your little small talk, and get down to business. Treat them nice and they'll treat you good back. If you treat them like dirt, don't expect good service in return. They'll take the money, but you get no refunds and will probably be given shit service and be given a bad word in. Last hooker I picked up, quoted me 140, wasn't really feeling her but I picked her up after I said I only had 100 and she agreed to get in, but what she didn't say was it would only be head. When I tried to ask how much more it would be for sex she tried to quote me 80 more. I don't cum from head, head is like foreplay, a prelude, like fries or nuggets but not the actual burger. I just don't cum from blowies, but she took offense to that and really started acting crazy.

Best ways to find a good-quality girl in London?

I've checked out AdultWork but a lot of the girls have low reviews/almost definitely are catfishes, and then the hot ones are pricier. I don't know if I can afford coughing up 300+ for an hour of sex, even if the girl's gorgeous.

Are agencies legit? I've heard similar horror stories where you turn up and the girl looks hideous. Is it worth just finding an expensive girl and saving up/going less often?

>>28049216
webm source?

>>28049175
any info on how to find massage parlors that will offer the full experience in Europe?

>>28049175
does someone have experinces with fetish escorts?

I asked this in the last thread, which promptly died, so I guess I'll repeat it here. Weird question for the monger thread ik, but what's the best move if you travel to the philippines for a week or two in terms of dating/hookups/etc? Pick up girls at regular bars? Online dating? For what it's worth, I'm tall, blond, fit and under 25.

>>28050523
Just walk around in public and little sea girls will flock to you

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>>28050523
>what's the best move if you travel to the philippines for a week or two in terms of dating/hookups/etc? Pick up girls at regular bars?
https://eccie.net/forumdisplay.php?f=896

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>>28050591
>full service 7/10 escorts are $70/hrs

Good lord...I gotta go to SEA eventually

>>28049395
How to find AMP in nyc? just want HE, no sex

>>28049394
Want the full version and have never seen it

>>28049394
Thats awful.

>>28049175
link to full video?

>>28050736
open your eyes

pretty much any massage parlor that's at a random strip mall will do the trick

the more out of place it looks the more likely it is to be a rub-n-tug

if they are asian and barely speak english, another green flag

alternatively buy a rubmaps sub with crypto and look at reviews

>>28050759
to add to this: if the entrance has a privacy screen thing over it there's a good chance there too

legit places will have big wide open windows to invite sunshine in to the lobby and stuff

also if they are open late til 9 or 10pm that's a good sign they do the hanky panky... not sure if legit ones stay open that late.

>>28050759
geez the massage parlors around my town get a review once every few months cuz I'm in a smaller city

I checked NY and get pic related: like 10 new reviews just today alone, plus they have 24hr locations

https://files.catbox.moe/giyb3a.jpg

>be in small town
>only a few HE massage parlors in town
>find one with FS on rubmaps
>go there on a Friday at 7:30PM
>door is locked
>go the next day at 4pm
>still locked
>the mods on rubmaps mark the place as closed after I commented my attempts
>4 days later someone adds a review for that location anyway

what gives? is there some secret knock I need to use? I did knock the 2nd time but no answer... maybe 3rd time is a charm

Anyone have Rubmaps willing to help out a poor fag? Wanting to look at reviews for some local places in Bentonville, AR

>>28051084

You need to call them to open the door.

>>28051092
I checked the ones in that city and your best bet is
Asian Galaxy Massage
927 NW 12TH STREET
Bentonville, Arkansas 72712

All the others were non-E. This place had a mix of reviews but if you ask for "Yoko" she seems to have the best reviews. Here is the most recent

>I get there, an older asian lady asks how long I'm going to be there and i say 1hour ($60). I enter the room, take off my clothes and wait face down for Yoko to come in. When she did, I was a little disappointed that this women was not young, hot, or in shape. I got over it fast since I didn't care how i came.

>The massage its self was not too bad so i'll give her that. She does that for like 40 minutes and then asks me flip over. At this point, she is toying and playing with my penis. She started jacking me off and I encouraged it. I wasn't trying to go beyond a hand job. The hand job itself was great and you can tell she knows her way around a cock.

>After I came, she helped me get cleaned up, I got my shit together and we called it a day, I wouldn't mind seeing her again.

Do any of you fellas use listcrawler? Have you ever risked going to a provider that lacks comments/reviews? I'm tempted right now.

>>28051128
There are asians in Arkansas? Isn't that state racist?

>>28051128
Hell yeah, thank you brother

>>28051166
Only in Northwest Arkansas. Walmart country.

>>28049362
>and it got bad enough to where even the hookers started being passive aggressive and sort of prying, asking what else I do besides hookers, indirectly though
Nigger that's just small talk because you're becoming a regular at that point

Anyone ever been to a fetish friendly escort? I've been wanting to try live out my armpit fetish fantasy

>>28051192
are you sure? Isn't that sort of private? Seems like they're being too nosy

>>28050759
>the more out of place it looks the more likely it is to be a rub-n-tug

Dunno about you guys but before I ever looked into AMPs, the ones around my city were all invisible to me. I would say the easier the shop can hide in plain sight, the greener the flag.

>>28049394
This is why I LOVE seeing no AA in their ads

>>28051241
what is "no AA"?

>>28051244
nvm I'm retarded...

>>28051241
Not all aa friendly escorts are bad.

>>28051244
No Alcoholic Anomymous
>>28051251
Aaaah boooo
>>28051154
Pretty scary seeing obvious scams asking for cash and wanting to meet up ASAP in my area. Like damn I'd rather be scammed from a deposit then just outright rob me. I'm not using that, although only because all the legit ones are black or old as per usual in my city. No gems for me.
>>28051128
Can't believe someone actually has rubmaps pro here. Never b4 seen. I'm too paranoid to give you my places, but could you check out the thai ones here? Anything funny or noteworthy to post?
https://www.rubmaps.ch/webster-massage-parlors-tx
Essential massage is obviously on my radar.

https://www.rubmaps.ch/massage-china-massage-pikeville-ky-95083#rubmaps

Could this be checked? I have been to others in Kentucky but this is the closest to me

>>28051267
Arent meeting asap and cash only pretty common things? I don't see how they'd indicate anything malicious

>>28051267
Yaya Massage
Review date: August 2024
Score: 1 star
>I haven't been here in years and decided to try it out again based on recent reviews. The massage was maybe 10 minutes and i paid for an hour. She kept leaving the room, flip was rushed, offered BJ but I wanted a HJ and PM. Worst of both I've had in at least 5 years. Wanted $100 tip, I said no way. She was pretty much begging for $80. Barely got 30 minutes out of this stop. Total rush job. Won't be going back.

The only outlier review, the rest seemed to like this place, plenty of 4-star ratings

>>28051267
I've found a lot of legit providers on lc

>>28051277
Non-E massage only

>>28051319
Non-E? No handjob? I kinda felt like that after I looked at the streetview

Is a TER subscription worth it?

>>28051101
really? well then

>>28051341
Non-E means no erotic services which means yes no handjob just massage

>>28051386
Shame. Not much action in the hills of eastern Kentucky

>>28051386
Why though?

>>28050816
How do you know they are legit tho, without being able to read reviews? And are the prices places have online real? Or are those prices only if they don’t touch your pp?

Does anyone have or know where to find the Quish hooker videos

>>28051414
>without being able to read reviews
The number of reviews is a good indicator. Most non-E places will have less than 10 reviews with the most recent being like 8+ months ago while the full-service places will have frequent reviews. Depends on your city's population

You can also use the "advanced search" feature at the top and select "yes" for full service or handjob and it'll show results like that.

I haven't had a good AMP experience for a long ass time, and it is starting to feel like a waste of money. I go maybe once a month, but every AMP I go to just has women that seem to hate their lives, cut time out of the massage, and half ass the hj. it used to be so much better like three years ago, they would actually tease you during the massage etc. Now it's all about the money. It has gotta just be the AMPs near me, but they're all pretty lame now

here's what I think makes for a good AMP visit:

1. quiet/soft atmosphere
2. massage is good
3. outfit on the girl is hot
4. there is a lot of teasing, spanks my ass, plays with my taint more than 3 seconds before the flip (I enjoy it throughout the massage, not just RIGHT at the end).
5. HJ is good, doesn't just feel like business.
6. music doesn't have fucking pandora adds interrupting shit

>>28051500
Just get an escort kek they're 100x better than amps

>>28051459
Wtf is quish?

>>28051548
I would beg to differ. Amps are far more consistent than dealing with some wigger escort. Not saying there aren’t good escorts.

>>28051548
if i'm dropping 300+ on a girl she had better be STELLAR and worth it. 99% of escorts in the US are just bad, with bad service. and they're all like 600+

>>28051575
>>28051559
I'm guessing you're some old fag. Just go for a well reviewed escort. It's not that hard. The US has plenty of good whores especially in the Midwest.

>>28049212
It looks so stupid, how she's clearly holding her breath

>>28049175
I found one bump in the middle behind my ballsack last week... is this my time to stop?

>>28051500
>pandora ads

damn they can't even afford premium for the business?

>>28051687
What kind of whores are you fucking?

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>>28051611
>It's not that hard.
if it were that easy there wouldn't be so many dissatisfied mongers. I am an OldFag and I have experienced that, myself, but also hearing it refrained in countless reviews elsewhere.

With massages you get a very clear SERVICE expectation.
> you show up
> she SERVES you
> money
> leave

With escorts/hookers/courtesans those expectations are all over the place and most of the time its
> YOU do her
> (she's just along for the ride)

The major problem with escorts(et al) is COMMUNICATION is shitty. Just because she advertises, doesn't mean she's interested in your business. Getting them to return a direct text is a challenge. Then, getting them to communicate using the English language....then being AVAILABLE....they'll be late, no show, change times. The hassle involved doesn't justify any of this

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escorts > amps

Don't let the oldfags fool you

>>28051714
Brother, communication is worse with amps. Half of the time they barely speak English. You get ching chong chop suey shit then they get angry when ypu don't understand them.

why get a hj when i can do it myself? i wanna fuck. how can i get that instead?

>>28051739
Look up some ladies on TER

>>28051728
>>28051716
i've spent 90% my time with escorts.
0% with ASIAN massagers. 10% with latin/white/black massagers.
The 'hobby' gets worse and worse as time passes. It is a shame.
The chicks get wacked out on drugs and they all start charging more and more
>>28051739
>why get a hj when i can do it myself?
i'd ask the same thing if i was going to these dragon lady dens like most of these dudes. No $$ is worth an uninspired handjob by a unsexy chick.

I'm going to be in SEA for all of december... Anyone have any recommendations for whoring/getting a vacation gf there? I've been in Vietnam for a while in a previous trip (which I loved), this time I'm thinking about doing Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia.

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>>28049382
>there is a "MONSTER SIZED COCK" thread on the first page
>can get banned for a general monger thread

Been looking for a while to no avail for a HE/FS AMP in Sioux Falls, SD. been too chicken shit to just go in and see. Help a poor bastard?

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>>28049382
>not trying to get permafucked into oblivion (b&) and simplifying it.
>(monger and escort thread)
there have been 5 max reply MONGER threads prior to this one where no one was banned
https://archive.is/0r2W4

OP is a lazy faggot

>>28051935
You're out of luck bro. All of them are non-E as far as I can tell. If you're committed and become a regular you might build up enough rapport for one of them to play with your weenie but otherwise you're SOL.

Anyone got any tips for mongering in Toronto. I've always been interested but haven't pulled the trigger on it.

Can someone check this for me? They wiped my membership when they went to coin pay only and I don’t have any crypto. Ty.

https://www.rubmaps.ch/massage-comfort-massage-manassas-va-89746#rubmaps

Just fired off some texts to the amp agencies with generic pics. Hope I don't die!

>>28052009
Every single one that got back to me are supposedly located in the lowest tier hotels in the area. They're labelled as 2* but that's only because the doors lock. Has anyone gone to a hotel for an amp?

>>28052009
what

>>28052031
in my area, all of the amps advertise on stg. but they will post pics of the masseuses that are obviously fake as shit

>>28051312
I was talking about independant american faceclaims. Yeah, standard for amps.
>>28051314
Hey thanks. I hate rush jobs like that. When a place is busy though, makes sense for a girl to leave a room if she's alone or with only 1 other girl. I'll steer clear. Sounds like a nice locale with okay options to try through next year.

>>28051974
if you're looking for asian women, just walk outside. The city is full of them.

>>28051084
Fake reviews exist

>>28052040
yeah but why did you text them?

>>28052136
yeah but the guy who reviewed it has 3 other reviews that were spaced out by several months, the other 3 were all in Dallas so he was prob visiting my town or something.

>>28051084
I hate to say this, but you dun goof'd. I have personally witnessed whores not opening the door to objectionable clients.

>have appointment at 6 pm prime time
>waiting in my car because early
>see guy ringing doorbell twice
>no answer
>slams door with fist
>OPEN UP YA BLOODY WHORES I KNOW YA'R IN THERE
>leaves angrily after five minutes
>it's 6 pm
>get out of car and walk up to door
>door opens before I can reach doorbell

Small town means they probably know about you even if you've never been to the place.

>>28052002
top tier place, every review is 5 stars

>>28052165
I say small but it's not that small... 100k pop it's just not a big city that gets the AMP agencies and stuff.

Every place I've been to so far they like me. I'm not rude, and they call me handsome and smile when I walk in and ask me to return. I've never been to this place, though.

Maybe I look like a cop though. A physically fit 6ft white male looks like trouble to them... probably.

>>28052186
>Every place I've been to so far they like me.
Then you've had bad timing. It happens. Imagine some dude asking to get pissed on but the brothel has run out of drinks, so the whore has to get dressed and quickly drive to the nearest super market to get some booze. I have also had whores in lingerie queue up behind me to buy condoms and Eristoff at 10 a.m. Did you have an appointment?

I've been seeing whores for a long time
>2002
>UK
>go to local illegal brothel after work
>7 girls working
>take the black one
>go into room
>shower, she washes me
>get dry
>tell her to sit on the floor with her back against the wall
>start to wank in her face
>she just looks up at me
>minute or two passes
>push cock into her mouth
>slowly fuck her mouth
>minutes pass, still fucking her mouth slowly
>she starts playing with her clit
>i didn't ask her to do it, guess she wanted to
>she starts moaning
>start to fuck her mouth faster and harder
>she moans louder
>start to fuck her throat
>20 or so seconds pass
>she starts to cum
>push my cock down her throat and hard it there
>she cums and starts shaking
>pull cock from her throat
>cum over her face
>sit on the bed and watch her scoop my cum into her mouth and swallow it
still one of my fondest sexual experiences

>>28052201
nah so far I've just walked in and gotten service

I'll try calling next time

>>28051552
it was a series of videos of this guy fucking escorts. he would usually hide his face with a smlley face emoji.

How risky is bbbj at an amp? As in assuming they have herpes does that actually transmit through the mouth or is it more of a 0.01% chance

>>28052151
i didnt know where they were located. had to text them for the location.

>>28051500
>pandora adds interrupting shit
oh man that reminds me one place went to was playing christian music while i was getting a HJ. Weird as shit and and i couldnt get it through to them (language barrier) than was a bad choice of music for their location.

>>28049299
wasted $20,000 easy within 2 years (street/escorts). Would have made way over $100,000 if properly invested
somehow the ones that were costed cheaper were the best experiences.

i probably wouldnt call it a hobby unless you have full control over it. if you go randomly into it you'll get hooked like an addiction

massages and 1-2 providers long term seems to be the best case scenario, but the addiction side of it will want you to spend $300 on a new whore every night

>>28052879
LMFAO

>>28052879
Two years ago a butterfly snuck into the room and my girl started laughing and chocking on my cock. We had to call the ambulance.

>>28052947
what like your cock was stuck in her mouth or she began choking on her own spit?

>>28052719
weird, all the ads in my city on STG have addresses posted

>>28052955
Like when you drink something but it gets into your lungs.

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>>28052897
>you'll get hooked like an addiction
this.
i illustrated many of my impulsively stupid decisions in the thread last week
https://archive.is/0r2W4

>>28052978
Do you post on usasexguide?

>>28052879
lmfao not monger related but at one point I was in this EXTREMELY religious korean FOB girl's apartment and we were both shit faced off of peach soju. She was between my knees licking my cock while some EXID was playing as background music. Spotify must have mixed up kpop and christian music, because the next song was basically like "jesus loves you, pray for jesus and the lord above, faith above all, blah blah blah" in this really soft prayer music. I could not stop laughing, it was the funniest shit I have ever seen/heard. She was mortified and very embarrassed but finished the bj like a champ and thought it was funny too.

>filter our black girls when searching for girls
>half my results are black girls who are """""east indian""", """"asian"""", or """""middle eastern"""""
stop it you whores

>>28052213
This is good to know. There's a new place that I found and I wasnt sure if I should let them know ahead of time or just walk in

>>28052074
okay how do I get them to fuck me.

>>28051414
Just go and if they don't touch your pp just try somewhere else shit dude it ain't complicated
No the handy price isn't included, it's usually 40 bucks

>when giving happy ending she asks something I can't understand
>after repeating several times she gets her phone and opens translating ap
>asks if I want sex
>say "just hands"
>I see on screen it told her I said "just bands"
>she looks confused
>I hold up my hands and say "just hands" again
>she nods and then we both laugh

>>28049299
Seconded. It's easy to make excuses and tell yourself you can make it work with your budget, but I had to stop and consider my future. I usually monger for a month or two, take a month or two off, repeat. I could easily ruin years of work and saving/investing.

>>28052879
Haha I once got an instrumental rendition of Sound of Silence during
Kinda made me feel bad for her

>>28049395
These and usasexguide/worldsexguide

>>28053294
"hello, ching chong bing bong, I'm white"

>>28053111
One drop rule.

>>28051154
Google the phone numbers, check usasexguide for your town. I generally won't see anyone with no comments or reviews.

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>>28051314
Can you check this one? If so, thanks.

https://www.rubmaps.ch/massage-vip-spa-kenosha-wi-78701#rubmaps

>>28049175
babi lins, escort in SP or Rio

>>28053111
>"i'm an '''''exotic mix'''''"
>is clearly just average black american woman
Fucking lmao

>>28051314
what town is the yaya massage in?

Any MSOG advice? I've been offered 2 shots a couple times before and I never actually ejec the second time.

>>28053495
Sounds like you may be a fag. Try a male escort and offer them to MSOG your bussy.

>>28053495
Try not jacking off or anything for a week or more before you meet. If that doesn't help, you might just be that way. I've been in the same boat. I still fuck them again for a while even though I know I probably won't cum. I assume you're using a rubber, which doesn't help matters.

>>28053438
good place for handies, nothing more it seems

one guy tried to push his luck with a BJ and she was like 'no no not here" but ended up doing it anyway because she was jacking him off for 10 min and he still wasn't done

>>28053477
the town he linked, he was looking in Webster, TX

102 Travis St
Webster, TX, 77598

Looks like some residential home turned into a business

>>28053648
can you tell me what the comments say for yaya spa in Marysville Washington? id love to know

>>28053641
Thanks.

What's the youngest escort you've fucked, and how did you meet them?

>>28053708
hello fbi =)

>>28053708
13, truck stop, she was a runaway and needed cash

I'm just kidding, of course

>>28053661
full service place go wild

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>>28051267
>could you
could YOU
quit being such an insufferable poorfag and just buy the subscription? You've e-begged for reviews the past 4 threads.
Either go or don't go.
If you need to read reviews first, then invest in the hobby, faggot

>>28051314
What can You tell me about this one in MN?

>>28053862
Fuck
https://www.rubmaps.ch/massage-t-massage-roseville-mn-81818#rubmaps

>>28053823
Holy seethe. First time I've asked. Go check for the exact town I asked for in past threads.

>>28051166
There is actually a decent movie about that about a Korean called Minari.

>>28051128
Good ole Bentonville. I know a guy who lives there who's stepmom was plastered all over /b, /s & /hc as well as porn site back around 2005 - 2008

>>28053865
holy kek one of the reviews was this

>I had been biking and swimming in preparation for a triathlon and needed a deep tissue massage which Asian therapists are generally able to deliver. This woman had no massage skills. None.

>I paid for an hour and was there under 30 minutes. After smearing some oil around on my back she went right for my ass while having a loud conversation with the employee in the next room. She left and came back several times. Talked with clients on speaker phone then told me to flip over after 15 minutes. She indicated I could jack myself off which I wasn't interested in. I got up, got dressed, and left. The whole experience was a waste of time and money and I still needed a massage.

The rest were all good except this one lol

https://www.rubmaps.ch/massage-clover-day-spa-stanton-ca-153466#rubmaps

Looks like it's a place to try, but can I get sense of it's recommended and if anyone mentions how much they're tipping?

Does anyone else feel like 120 for a street walker is highway robbery? I mean especially in this economy.

Can anyone with a rubmaps subscription help a poorfag out? I need to know what’s in Richmond VA

ok since i guess no one has posted it in this thread yet
for rubmaps
advanced search > put in your city or zip code > loads up everything near you > then use the filters to search for what you want (BJ,FS,etc) > it will then show only locations with reviews stating those services happened
its not perfect but youre believing random internet mongers on a happy ending forum already, so the filter basically does the same thing just with less specifics
the bottom line is, find a place using the filter for what you want and try it, most AMPs are "your results may vary" anyway depending on the day, time of day, girls there, etc

Guys, if you can't afford a Rubmaps subscription then a pro is off limits until you get your shit together.
>>28054043
That's insane, yes. What did you do with her?

>>28054101
1580 Mountain Rd glen allen
Richmond, Virginia 23060

Ebegging for someone with rubmaps premium to grab n post some of the reviews for these
https://www.rubmaps.ch/massage-healthy-land-roy-ut-91560#reviews
https://www.rubmaps.ch/massage-ting-massage-roy-ut-238230#rubmaps

>>28054282
first one is a decent rub 'n tug
second one 0 reviews/comments

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tired of dating, seriously considering just getting an escort once or twice a month. did a basic search in the denver area and found a bunch of cute girls charging $200 for incalls and i'm getting pretty tempted, that's about how much i spend on taking a girl out to a nice place

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>>28054333
CHECKED.
Good on you. Dating is pretty demoralizing now and it's funny (in a disconcerting way) that prostitutes are becoming more consistent than "civilians" lmao. Be sure to do your research and lurk/join some forums.

Anything about this place?
https://www.rubmaps.ch/massage-san-leandro-health-center-san-leandro-ca-6595#rubmaps

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>>28054494
it's honestly not even demoralizing, i'm just worn out from dealing with other people's problems. there's always a divorce or a kid or a sick pet or chronic illness or rent hike or SOMETHING that tugs at my heartstrings and makes me want to help out. and i sympathize, because life is hard and i've been through plenty of bad times myself, but i want to focus on my own happiness for once. an escort seems ideal for what i'm looking for: maybe we talk a little beforehand, we fuck, i pay her for her time, we go our separate ways. it seems so much simpler and comes with way less baggage.

what forums would you recommend i check out? most of the escort sites i've seen seem like they're relatively straightforward. the other board seems okay, as does tryst.

>>28050759
>>28050786
>>28050816
>>28051233
A less reliable but funny method is google/yelp reviews. If you see female customers giving the place bad reviews and confused why the masseuses were so dismissive to them, while male reviewers get good reviews that's also a potential sign.

>>28054603
Usasexguide and The Erotic Review are my main sources. The former is better in my opinion, as it's free to use and you can message other posters. I guess "demoralized" is how I feel about dating now. I see the same stuff you do, but I don't feel as much sympathy because the situations they're in are avoidable and predictable 9/10 times. I can't find anyone with their shit together and their head on straight who isn't already taken. Which, of course, is why they're taken.

>>28053495
I've only done it by having a 15minute break time inbetween and this only worked because she owned the place so she was ok with me going over my time

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>>28054798
i'll check them out, thanks.

and yeah, i can understand that. it doesn't bother me if someone needs help, i've needed help before. i just wish people were more upfront about their shit, y'know? or at least had a better handle on basic problem solving skills so i didn't need to be the adult in the room so frequently.

>>28051154
I've done it before. Listcrawler is mostly black women and sometimes they really aren't good at what they do or have good attitudes. I like black women so I try to give them the benefit of the doubt but listcrawler is mostly full of black women, trash, and scams. Still, there can be some diamonds in the rough, some times some white, asian, or latina women post there. I prefer white, they usually are more laid back and less hood even if they fuck black guys.

>>28051312
Meeting asap can be a sign of a jaded and rushed provider. Yeah, these women don't want to be sending texts back and forth and never get paid, but some of these hoes are jaded. Cash only isn't bad, there is nothing wrong with cash only. Some don't trust cashapp or zelle, some only use zelle or cashapp, or just cash. Never had any use paypal, so i'd be careful if anyone mentions paypal

>>28051869
mods can powertrip sometimes, or maybe i had bad luck in the past>>28051947

>>28054933
it's because these thread has a horrible picture to post ratio

>>28054134
Nothing, I told her to eat shit.

can somebody post the hazel moore videos please

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>>28054916
>had a better handle on basic problem solving skills so i didn't need to be the adult in the room so frequently.
learned helplessness
> gimme gimme gimme
> can someone do this simple thing for me so I don't have to be a grown up?
> repeat

>>28055130
this. especially if you're a woman and have an army of horny retards who are willing to set themselves on fire just so you can be warm

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>>28054798
>I guess "demoralized" is how I feel about dating now
this is honest feedback of your experiences in life having 'used' escorts/easy-button.
I found the same in two factors.
> RUSH - with escorts and chasing the taboo, there is a big game thrill where you're seeking, setting things up, and getting the reward. Going back to 'dating' (not hooking up), its so low-speed and boring it takes a serious intention to transition back to that pedestrian pace.
> DISAPPOINTMENT - having seen the failure of women ad infinitum and seeing no distinction in that mindset from the hooker - escort - or 'civilian', it will fatigue you as a man (some would call this demoralized) that they're all just so fucked up and irresponsible.

I enjoyed the excitement. The sex was decent. For me, the biggest VALUE of mongering was discovering things about myself, owning them and improving who I was as a man. If all you're doing is just "getting off" and then returning to your routine, I feel you're missing a major growing opportunity. Its like taking a trip to Naples and all you did was eat pizza. You didn't learn about the geography, history or how it ties into your ancestry (if you're from there) to gain a better understanding of where you fit in this universe.

>>28055298
>big game thrill

I get it too. The hunt is the fun.

When our blood sugar is low, our body craves an insulin boost... our MIND tells us we really need a Snickers bar because thats how we interpret 'sweets'....but we really don't NEED a Snickers, we just need a boost of glucose to get back to normal.

This is something we should keep in mind on WHY some this shit is interpreted as a NEED.
A lot depends on if you're around women / in a relationship 24/7....
If you're not, you need some kind of polarity with a woman to keep you normal/charged.
Most of us interpret ANY need for a woman as "BUST A FUCKING NUT!" and this will cause us to wind up in the chase and seek more than is necessary.

Also, part of our wiring as MEN is to shelter/nurture/protect a woman and every single one of them has a sob story (that they caused). Its important to recognize shit like this.... WHERE the emotion/mentality comes from in us and also realizing NONE of these girls can be "helped", they are all the same. It wasn't one bad decision that got them into the place they are

>>28049394
Disregarding the males. Love fucking bitches like this, no shame they're fun

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>>28055412
>if you're around women / in a relationship 24/7....
>If you're not, you need some kind of polarity with a woman to keep yo
you're already up to your fill in all their bullshit. You just need a warm place to put it and get out.
>>28055412
>If you're not,
you may find that sharing a woman's company is what you really need. Entertain them for an hour or two, let them be a "woman" for you and that's all you need. Maybe you need more after that. Recognize WHAT you need from a woman and execute the intention behind your expectations (don't leave it up to her to define your satisfaction).

What every man should be seeking is a woman that is feminine that is driven to SERVE a man, respecting his power and influence. The apex of this shit is a hot woman (beyond your 'league') that treats you like a king in every area. That will change how you recognize yourself and how you carry yourself in the real world.
> Attractive
> Attentive
> Affectionate
> Appreciative
These are the four factors every 'woman for hire' needs to fulfill. Seek out women that excel in these four areas and you will figure out what this all about.

>>28050608
Soi 6. Spent 2 weeks there. Amazing. $30 a pop. Top quality asians. Over 500 women just on that one street. Queen Victoria hotel is dead center. Loved it

How do you guys not pop as soon as they touch you? I've been with dozens of women but when I get into something with a whore I usually come right away because my brain seems to think it is so illicit it makes me even harder and unable to control anything.

>>28055446
>I usually come right away
this is a blessing
do you WANT to last longer with a whore? Why don't you just try to get off multiple shots in your session?

>>28054603
Sauce right fucking now holy shit

>>28051714
Man someone post this webm with sound. It's pure gold.

>>28054603
>what forums would you recommend i check out?
eccie is a board for monger hobbiests.
I have been banned so many times I cannot create any more accounts on there. There are forums for international and your region so you'll be able to search the provider or massage or stripper in your area for reviews.

I found that the typical poster is only looking for the cheapest nut so take the reviews with a grain of salt. Its mainly just to see which providers are scams and prices

hey question, what are neighborhoods/streets in Chicago where you can usually find streetwalkers?

Been doing this for a year at a parlor within walking distance myself to the point I know all the girls there by name and they know me, what's weird to me is they don't get much traffic here, probably because that shopping center is all but abandoned aside from a Fiesta mart, a barbershop, a Donuts shop and a hair salon. I still haven't actually had sex with any of the girls there just handjobs, blowjobs, tit fucks and one time a thighjob because I was feeling extra horny and always wanted to try it, they ask why and I tell them because I don't want to wear condoms and none of them pushed the issue til a week ago where they said they'd be okay with bareback since I'm a reliable man, do I do it? I only said that because in reality I'm scared of getting one of them pregnant and knew they wouldn't mind not having to fuck a black guy. Now I'm not sure what excuse to use with them being willing to do this after a year of the other stuff.

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>>28055573
>do I do it?
YES, you should take anonymous advice from the Internet from people who have no idea who you are or what your situation is

>>28055615
Well this is a monger thread full of vets isn't it? I'm only a year into this and I only really did it to learn how to be comfortable around women and sexual situations in the first place and now they're comfortable with that.

>>28055573
Do it. If it took that long for them to offer it, it indicates they're pretty safe. Just relax and shoot ropes in all those pussies.

anyone know if those listings in sf with the young asians and an overlayed phone number are a scam?

my guess would be

scam
bait and switch with typical older ladies
human trafficing??

what do you all think

>>28055765
#2 and #3

Well, some people consider "human trafficking" to be any sex work period. Most of these women simply need money and signed up for it they weren't kidnapped and forced to have sex against their will.

But yes a large majority of asian prozzies are 30-40yo women, but since they age a bit more gracefully than white women, mongers don't care as much.

>>28053495
your second time will probably have to be handjob intensive for the extra stimulation

>>28051359

Yes. I'm in a fairly big city and the mid-high end escorts from Eastern Europe all cost around $500-800. Some of them are snobby and don't take requests, others are service queens. TER VIP usually makes it obvious which ones are which.

>>28055765

From my experience, the Chinese ads are fucking scams. You will be down $300 and fuck a whale. Stick with Koreans for budget or Eastern Europeans when you want to get fancy.

>>28055855
>>28055765

im referring to the ads that look like this. likely obviously those arent the girls but are they just outright gonna rob you or what

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>>28055857

>>28055864

Yes, those are Chinese orgs. You won't die but you definitely won't feel satisfied. I was told that there are sometimes once in a blue moon rare finds but it's always a gamble. I'm under the impression that if you're able to speak and understand Chinese, they will set you up with better girls.

>>28055573
I mean hey, if you're that regular with them, just talk to them about how you can't risk pregnancy. Ask what they do to prevent that. I'd only trust if a girl can name/show a pill she's on or she agrees to take an after-pill every time. If you really trust, she tells you when her period is and you do the math on when it's safe. Sounds like a dream or nightmare scenario of you knocking up several local girls in your small town at once lol.

>>28055900
Alright, I guess I'll try mamasan first since I've known her longer than the other girls, I'm nervous since this will be my first time having sex too.

>>28050608
She's cute. Any more?

>>28055968
the older they are the less likely they will get preggo anyway unless they've been popping out kids like crazy

maybe off topic but what good cam sites can you recommend, anon?
on the popular ones, the girls charge insane amounts, like 5 bucks per minute of private cam or even more. any good options?

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>>28056266
>maybe off topic but what good cam sites can you recommend, anon?
i don't know about others, but I think chaturbate is good enough. It takes some getting used to to find what you want. There should be chicks that perform regularly that you can do private and tip.
I find them superior to any porn these days because
> they provide the stimuli (do the thing) that I want to see to get me off
> they aren't ADHD switching the camera angle every few seconds like porn that you can never enjoy what you're watching.
I've tipped and done privates, but imo they are all morons and are incapable of providing what you want even with explicit instructions (probably why they're in that line of work). I enjoy stream ripping from my browser (recording their performance in real-time) in the event its really good. The only way to get recordings is if you pay / do privates. Fuck that noise

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Young to me AMP

Is list crawler legit? I live in a smallish town and all the more popular sites only have one or two girls advertising(traveling girls at that).

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>>28049501
>Not really even into HJs but I can't find a girl willing to do BBBJ yet.

I love DATY, I'll have them sit on my face, most of them will take the hint and start gobbling on my joystick. I've nearly come in mouth several times this year. I try to warn them and usually end up spraying the room.

FWIW, I'm 72 and had the snip decades ago. My cum now is nearly clear and the consistency of pre-cum. I go several weeks between releases and store up a lot. I've sprayed down several rooms like a lawn sprinkler.

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I love Chinese pussy, so dam tight, even the ones that have had kids

Mate of mine caught Chlamydia by hooking up with a stranger in a hotel.
He got his gf of 15 years infected with it, so had to confess.
Does monging realistically gives you this risk?

Why the fuck are these threads always nothing but blog posting?
Kys or at least post wembs with your blog posts.

>got a new job in a city
>making $150k/year now
>move from middle of nowhere to suburb of said city
>I have more money than I've ever had in my life
>bored after work yesterday
>decide to try an AMP for the first time
>several places 10 minutes from me with blatantly sexual ads
>go to nearest one
>lady (probably 30-40 years old) sees me, laughs, and says I look under 18
>says to come back tomorrow because they're full
>talk to her and says she'll do 30 minutes herself if she can see my ID
>get a full body shower from her while laying down
>points at my dick and says "this okay?"
>"yeah"
>sat in a sauna for a bit after
>took me back to the room and massaged my back for a bit and climbed all over me
>actually felt amazing because my shoulder was hurting anyway
>eventually she rubs my dick and says "you want?"
>"yeah"
>flip over
>says to me "ok, but this is our secret, ok? shhhhh"
>she gets on top of me and starts doing a bj with a condom
>I stretch and she thinks I came
>starts cleaning me up
>tell her I didn't finish
>"oh!"
>takes my hand and puts it right between her thighs and starts going again with her hands
>rub her pussy a bit and she starts giggling and moaning
>finally finish
>she cleans me up and steps out of the room
>I'm just laying there still, kind of in a daze
>she comes back in laughing and says "what, are you going to sleep here?"
>keeps rubbing my arm, slapping my butt, and calling me cute
>tells me to come back soon for a full hour
They got me bros. I'm addicted already. 10/10. I already want to go back but I'm gonna wait a week. Anyway, I have rubmaps if anyone wants me to look up shit.

>>28056980
I feel the need to get this off my chest and I have nobody in my life to tell this to

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>>28057103
It lost the audio...

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How do you know if a place is full service and the women are attractive? Also I always see posts saying full service is whatever you want but there has to be limits right? These women won’t let you fuck them in the ass then their mouth immediately would they?

>>28057048
Brother can you tell me anything about these places?

https://www.rubmaps.ch/massage-osaka-relaxation-honolulu-hi-74938#rubmaps

https://www.rubmaps.ch/massage-happiness-spa-honolulu-hi-23419#rubmaps

https://www.rubmaps.ch/massage-angel-honolulu-hi-7280#rubmaps

>>28057158
do they know youre filming? do you ask?
i wanna do this my next visit as well

>do they know youre filming? do you ask?
i wanna do this my next visit as well

No, and no
I have asked, no

>>28057187
Damn prices in Honolulu are crazy. All of the tips are marked at $160-220 for all of those places (plus $60 to the house). First one has a review from 5 days ago from a guy who tipped $160 to Mimi for a bj no condom. All of them will do the thing just be prepared to bring a lot of cash I guess.

>>28049216
my asian masseuse, probably 45 or so, nice fake tits, also not much ass, loves my butt and compliments my body constantly (im pretty fit and have a bit of a muscly dump truck). she seems genuinely happy to serve me and it does feel good

>>28057246
Appreciate the info, thanks

>>28054630
How can I make sure? I really don’t want to waste my time/money on a massage that doesn’t end with them touching my pp

went for the amp for the first time this week. anyone on the fence just fucking doing it. it is really that easy. it was fun and kinda hiliarous. call ahead. be chill and polite and don’t splerg out. the lady was super sweet too. i was honest and told them it’s my first time when she asked and that I saw an ad on the internet for this place (escort site). the table shower and massage had a bunch of teasing then onto the hj. i don’t think I creeped her out too much because I was smiling a lot. Something about the heavy engrish “you rike? oh baby. handsome boy.” while she stroked my dong is really fucking funny. i burst “oh! that a lot!” in the end I gave her a hug and she said I had good manners. I called her a sweetie. she gave me candy. A weirdly wholesome exchange

>>28057048
This poor lad is done for lol.
>>28056940
Nice posts oldtimer. I don't think I could ever stomach the snip from failure stories.
>>28056954
Yes? Stick to HJs you cheater.
>>28057247
Striving for this with an exercise bike. I want a slappable butt for mamasans to adore.

If any of you are in the southern california area, i can recommend an associate. Post ur discord and we can talk more freely there. She's white and doesn't do black men.

>>28057524
Forgot to mention, she's reliable and safe.

>>28057524
Same area but only want middle aged chinese women.
Also, use matrix not discord. Are you daft

>>28055435
I remember that tiktok, her ex made a response to it (which I don't have, sorry) and showed that she doesn't even have custody of the kids. He does. She has personality disorders and was highly abusive. She was flat out acting for that tiktok lmao.

>>28057720
you mean a woman would lie to manipulate a situation for social clout?
shocked

>>28057675
can't help you with that. older mamasans aren't my thing, I like white women. I use discord cause I don't have much of a presence there and don't really use it. I'll check out matrix.

>>28054228
looks to have gone down hill, any better option up north in fredicksburgg ir nova

>>28056862
Lc is just a site, you have to research each ad like you would on any other site. Eccie, usasexguide, the erotic review are for recon.

>>28049313
You know what your means are and what you can afford but for perspective $400 month was my car payment.

>>28058026
my car's paid off so I can fill that slot lel

What are some other tips to spot fakes. Should I look for anything when googling the pics or numbers?

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>>28055503
>eccie
is the content in the premium section via pay/write a review worth it? last time I did one of these for a different site, there was like zero content in the exclusive forum because apparently not enough people put any content or discussion to make it worthwhile

>>28058163

broken english, too many emojis, pictures are too high quality with good lighting, claim they sell videos/pics, won't do facetime, claiming they do bbbj/anal etc on the description

>>28058163
>>28058268
Whoa whoa whoa. Amps do all that all the time, so cut them some slack. If they give a location to a spa, it's real despite all that boomer bait ad technique.
>>28058171
+bbbj + let you film. NICE.

>>28058163
If they use obviously fake pics of different women or women who are similar enough at first glance but look a little deeper and they aren't the same woman. Or sometimes they use women that are too nerdy to be doing this. Nerds have their own niche, but they aren't so common that you can find more than a handful advertising a city at any given moment.
Like think of violet meyers or like some sort of twitch thot that is kind of nerdy, maybe amouranth? If a "woman" like that is "advertising" then it is fake.
The only way to truly know if they are fake is if they ask for deposits of 50 and up or if they mention sex. Actual providers use code, or don't talk about it at all. They are selling a service, or have a menu of things they offer but they don't "sell sex", because that is a crime. They sell their time and what they do in that time is amongst consenting adults. You know?
If they outright mention sex or vaginal intercourse, it is a fluke and just drop it. Luckily scammers don't know how actual interactions between provider and customer go most of the time so they out themselves in 2 or 3 texts max.

>>28058163
>>28058354
>>28058268

I feel like you already know sort of, obvious scams that >>28058268 is thinking of:
>No city listed
>While anal/bbbj sometimes is legit, absence of a 'no' list is highly suspicious (unless methhead)
>Personally the word 'hungry' points right to rajeet for me.

I think seeing another anon dodge a scammer is if you're suspicious play along without driving anywhere. If at any point a deposit is asked for, just bail.

>>28054603
Sauce!

don't get me wrong, but this all looks like some effort, why don't you look for sex with an ugly desperate milf instead? Archimedes said that all women are the same in the dark after he was once promised a pretty woman but ended up with an old one in bed.

>>28058484
All cats are grey in the dark indeed.

>>28058484
The circumstances the encourage someone to see hookers are the same that sometimes prevent them from interacting with normal women. A cycle of low self-esteem, social ineptitude, shyness or extreme shyness, anxiety, not knowing how to talk to women or people in general, lacking self-awareness, having no confidence or game. You take someone like eliot rodgers, they got more issues than they can deal with and the way the mind works is that sometimes it isn't working rationally.

I've always been tempted to do this but never took the plunge. I've always been afraid of it being a sting or the place getting busted while I'm mid nut, and it would destroy my family if that happened. that said:
>live out in the country in the midwest
>closest big city is about 30-45 min drive
>there's an AMP next to a sex shop in a shitty part of town
>place has all the windows blocked off and all the signs in the windows are sun faded
>doesn't have a website but has some interior pics on google, private rooms and dim lighting
>the place has reviews on usasexguide saying it ranges from FS, BJ, HJ, ect
>one time I was leaving the sex shop it was night and when I walked past an older looking mamasan peeked out the door at me while I was on the way to my car
>I was there a few weeks ago to get myself a new toy and passed the AMP on the way back to my car
>it was during the day and a black dude was waiting out front to be buzzed in
>as I'm getting in my car this short semi thick asian with blonde hair comes and lets the black guy in and makes eye contact with me
>I've only had a professional massage once and it was nice, but I have pretty bad acne on my chest and back so I'm kinda self conscious about it
what are the odds of getting busted while doing this?

>>28058633
>>28058633
If you've already done your research and come to the conclusion that it is a legit place, then you'd have to have the worst of luck for it to be a sting on your first try. In all likelihood you'll either build up some paranoia in your head about them giving a fuck about your acne and then that paranoia and insecurity manifests in a self fulfilling cycle of anxiety and insecurity or you either have a decent time or a shit time.
You might luck out and have the time of your life but those orgasmic moments are rare and kind of like winning the lottery. when it comes to paying for sex, you're not only paying for sex, but gambling. You can fuck the same woman, and it be amazing, fuck her a week or two from now, and you had an alright experience.

>>28051225

Nah, building a repartee with clients is how they get repeat customers. If they talk to you they like you. At least that's what I tell myself when they comment on my ass. Seriously, they do. Last three places I went to played my cheeks like they were bongos, all three were separate places and people. The latest chatted me up saying she wished her butt was as big as mine but she thinks implants would be unhealthy. She also gave me a HJ while putting my head in a headlock and didn't even ask for money, just went in for it. It was very hot.

Anyway, squats. That's how you get buns like mine. Squats, severe lordosis, and a chocolate addiction.

>>28058633
the thought of being busted scares the fuck out of me. I’ll just live vicariously through these threads

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>>28058484
Multiple reasons.
-Personally, the payoff-to-time/energy/money invested ratio makes it worth it to go for a 99% chance of pleasure with a pro rather than a lower chance with a non-pro woman.
-Even "ugly desperate milfs" can have some competition vying for them and might make you work for it. The comedian Patrice O'Neal noticed this and said it was insane. "I'll work for some fresh Cracker Jacks. If you got some stale Cracker Jacks, I'll still eat them. But I'm not gonna get up and work for it. You can't be like 'mmmm, come and get it' all seductive like. They're old. Just toss them to me."
-Appearance matters, and I have reasonable standards that I will not compromise on. Some chub is fine, a plain face is fine, shaved or full bush is fine. Any better than that is just a bonus to me. I won't slum just to cum. I tried that and it really does negatively impact the experience. Besides, it just validates less attractive women into thinking they're more attractive than they are, which inflates the ego. This is known as hoeflation. 4's end up having the same expectations that an 8 can justify.

Archimedes and Ben Franklin can have their fun. It's just not for me.

>>28059609
Found the Patrice bit.
https://youtube.com/shorts/qoNmt0nHEtc?si=pOpRn9IYDCewjtAV
>>28058516
This is certainly true for some. However, as far as I know, most mongers are men who have successfully managed to marry or at least have a girlfriend.

>>28059640
I was just giving my own two cents and perspective. Some guys are nerdy or just kind of rejects for a reason. Low self-esteem, social ineptitude, and you're not wrong, some mongers do indeed have kids, wives, and girlfriends, they're not all fat losers or rejects who can't get any. Some married men also fuck gay men on the side cause they're secretly bi or gay but that is a different topic.
Personally I am kind of faggy and have other issues that I was ignoring by fucking hookers. Some guys have that elliot rodgers mentality or doomer personality that kind of prevents them from forming genuine relationships or being able to talk to women or people in general.

>>28058633
what happens if you get busted? I mean is that jail time?

>>28049177
this mf really got upcharged on the 2 girl special. never do this this is a scam. you have one dick.

>>28059747
How else am I ever going to have tits in my face while getting sucked off?

>>28059803
just have her do cow girl. pussy is always better than mouth

I know it's retarded to worry about considering I'm going to get naked anyways, but do AMPs really care if you're hairy? I'm sure they deal with it all the time anyways

Retarded place to ask, but how do you fuck more often? Not even escorts. I feel like I look alright, but I'm just pretty short (5'1). I feel like my only chance is to pay for sex

>>28055130
>>28055298
>>28055412
>>28055435
you need therapy my dude

>>28059810
The height match ups are just never quite right. Sigh...

>>28059107
>>28059679
I've never been busted but from what I have read if they bust these AMPs they're only after the AMPs and don't care about the Johns

Besides, the only way they can prove you were paying for sex is if the AMP itself was the sting operation from the beginning or they had a mic in the room which simply isn't going to happen lol.

There was a guy one or two threads ago that said he was in an AMP as it got raided >>28033320

>>28059872
they typically appreciate a shaved/trimmed groin considering the handjob is easier without the pubes

>>28059679
Look up Robet Kraft. He was busted at an AMP and is still a free living owner of the New England Patriots.

>>28059653
I'm in the shyness/social ineptitude camp

I can talk to girls just fine but when it comes to flirting and shit I'm autistic as fuck. I'm very fit, I go to the gym regularly and watch my diet and I did this because I didn't wanna settle for fat chicks (I used to be chubby). But, as it turns out, being big and strong barely helps, my "looksmatch" is still 35yo overweight single moms with herpes and 500 tattoos and $100k in debt etc.

So I use whores instead. Actually since using whores my confidences has gone up a bit since they all call me handsome among other compliments.

>>28059874
>I feel like my only chance is to pay for sex
It's not your only option, anon.
The awful thing about this shit is that it poisons your mind about it all. It's like that thing about "don't think about elephants! Whatever you do-- DO NOT THINK ABOUT ELEPHANTS!!! DON'T DO IT! Not elephants. Whatever you're thinking about, think about something besides elephants right now! Anything but elephants!"
It gets in your head and gives you a complex about it.

Now, is it true that women think height is sexy/attractive? Yes.
But women find lots of things attractive.

Do men think big tits are sexy? Sure.
But men also think small/flat is great (and much less likely to sag).
Do men think huge asses are sexy? Sure... but there's such a thing as too big or disproportionate.
And there's a lot of men who understand that SHAPE and tone are what's important not size.
Do men think feet are sexy? Of course. Footfags are infamous.
But there's lots of men who don't give a shit and think you're retarded for liking women's feet.

And women are very much the same: they have a very broad spectrum of tastes.
Furthermore, women, like men, evaluate a partner's attractiveness in multiple dimensions at the same time and come up with a sort of average evaluation.

for example, consider a hypothetical male evaluation of a woman:
big tits? +2
big ass? no... -1
nice legs? +1
cute face? no... +0
nice feet? +1
is she fat? yes... -10
sweet attitude? no, she's bitchy/psycho... -3
total = -10
Now, what could such a girl do to make herself attractive to men?
>don't be an insufferable cunt and that'll gain you 3 points...
>lose the weight, fat bitch. That's ten fucking points there. Being fat is basically the one unforgiveable flaw for women

It's something similar for women's evaluation of men.
As a man myself I'm not entirely exactly what women want (women themselves aren't even sure...) and I'm not entirely what weight (pun intended) they place on their criteria.

>to be continued

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>>28059930
The number of decently handsome, physically fit dudes I see dating hamplanets and/or single moms is pretty fucking crazy. I know this the US, but what the fuck.

>>28059981
Nta but a 5'1 dude needs to make a million dollars a year to be considered as viable as a 6'1 dude who makes $60k, iirc.

>>28054038
rubmaps actually sucks. check out eccie.net. You can talk to the people who make reviews. There is a premium subscription to read detailed reviews, but just figure out which places are real is free

>>28054038
https://files.catbox.moe/lg0yj0.png

Besides this unhinged review, everyone else seems to like Sunny.

>>28059999
Is this a fucking ad? That website is garbage it looks like your run-of-the-mill forum from the 2000s. They only have the big cities and nothing else whereas rubmaps covers even my hokey poke village.

>>28050591
Sauce?

>>28060035
It seems to be more escort focused whereas rubmaps is massage parlor focused

>>28059981
>cont

I suspect women's evaluation is something like this:

huge bank account or just normal? big gigantic enormous fulfilling and satisfying bank account... +10
ripped but not 'roided or fat? chubby... -5
tall (proxy for "bigger than me" or "makes me feel / look small/petite/cute")? no... -3
huge and aesthetic dick? no... +0
mysterious / dark triad or is he just normal? normal... -2
has a cool car that will give me status when I'm seen with him or just normal? normal... -1
has a big expensive house in a high-status neighborhood? no, just normal... -1
is always fun to be around and is always up to something interesting + multiplayer + fun? no, just normal work + chill stuff... -1
has drugs and is willing to share? yes... +2
looks like a grandpa? no... -0
smells good? yes... +1

Like men, women have deal breakers.
Now, this should go without saying, but since we're dealing with mind poison here it should be stressed:
>different women have different sets of criteria and assign different weights and priorities to those criteria... though there will be a lot in common among women

So anyway, how to overcome the problem of being short?
>yes, it is undesirable in the eyes of women, but it's not everything, the game isn't over, ALL IS NOT LOST

Well, unlike the example of the fat bitch in my previous post being short is not under your control whereas her weight is 100% under her control.
But SIMILAR to that fat bitch example what's important is RECOGNIZING THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE THINGS UNDER YOUR CONTROL THAT WILL INCREASE YOUR ATTRACTIVENESS IN THE EYES OF WOMEN.

>but that's just fucking cope!
In a way, yes. It's literally cope.
But not in the way that the word "cope" is often used on this site.
It's cope in the sense that the things you do to make up for your problems WILL MAKE UP FOR AND SOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS.

>to be continued

>>28060062
>cont

The world of men is WORK.
And through work men can overcome.
And you should be glad! You should rejoice!
Because, unlike women, MEN CAN OVERCOME!

Look at how awful women have it:
>ALL of their value is up front
>their value only diminishes over time-- they can slow this loss by working their asses off in the gym, but the wall is implacable and inevitable for women much sooner than for men (assuming equal hard work in diet and exercise for both)
>if they are born ugly or mannish then they're fucked. No amount of working and saving up money will ever make them attractive or desirable. Period.
>the ONLY thing a woman can do to try and fix being unattractive is to get fit and to have a sweet attitude. This can make up for a lot... but at a certain point if you're just an ugly girl then you're just fucked

But men aren't like that.
>men start out with very little value in the eyes of women
>but men's value grows over time-- both literally and metaphorically
>more money as time goes on and career progresses and the salary and savings stacks up
>more know-how as life experience accumulates
>able to truly work hard in the gym and attain true human aesthetic beauty that lasts and lasts
>confidence grows as physique, money, wisdom and experience stack up
>men's minds are like tools that can be sharpened and the same for their attitude and personality
>the ONLY things men don't have control over is height and dick size... neither of which are actually deal breakers for women

There are some key things to understand about human and female psychology here:
1. insecure and weak people envy those who are strong and confident
2. insecure and weak people lash out disproportionately at anything and anyone who seems to have threatened or harmed them even slightly
3. women are EXTREMELY insecure and weak
4. insecure and weak people, when they attack, will use whatever they think will hurt the most REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S TRUE OR IMPORTANT

>to be cont.

>>28060131
>cont

This means that they will listen for things that they think they can use against you later.
>oh, men place great emphasis on being able to get shit done and being able to handle a fight? I'm worse than useless in a fight, but I bet I could belittle any man who isn't a 7' tall heavyweight boxer and make him feel like shit... I'll have to remember that next time I feel bad about myself so I can shit on a man to help out my own self esteem...
>I feel like I'm ugly because I don't have huge tits... MEN WHO HAVE SMALL DICKS ARE SO PATHETIC!!!!
>bawww I feel lonely because men ignore me (because I'm fat)... I should attack men's loneliness and call them incels!
>I see all these rich bitches on instagram and that makes me feel like I'm missing out on life... IF HE DOESN'T MAKE AT LEAST $500k A YEAR THEN HE'S JUST A DEADBEAT LOSER!!!

See, with women all attacks are actually just a reflection of their own inferiority.

Ok, ok ok, ok....
So, what should one do to overcome the difficulty of being short?

TL;DR: max out everything else you can

Yes, literally cope with it.
>work hard at the gym. Yes, it WILL pay off in the eyes of women
>work hard at school. Being intelligent and sophisticated is important in the eyes of worthwhile women whereas sounding like a retard with nothing interesting to say will only hurt you
>work hard at work: literally nothing is more attractive to women than money
>be CONFIDENT and friendly
This one is extremely important. DO NOT merely try to mask feelings of inferiority about your height. AT ALL COSTS do not come across as seeming to be secretly insecure or to have a hidden napoleon complex.
Now, this goes back to the "don't think about elephants thing"... But really, truly, you've got to overcome this psychological stumbling block.
And IT IS JUST PSYCHOLOGICAL.

>to be cont.

>>28060206
>cont

If a female tries to attack... then cut her out of your life completely.
You _want_ the pussy and the relationship... but she _needs_ your competence, your drive, your ambition, your know-how, your MONEY, your strength, your dick.

Ever seen a woman who was truly independently wealthy and successful? It happens, sure, of course it does... But you've MET dozens of men who made it all on their own and most of them did so while carrying a wife and kids on their back. But I bet you've never actually met a woman who was wealthy and successful and did it all on her own, much less did so while providing for her husband and raising her own kids.
Ever noticed how women (especially hot women) are shit with money? They're always in debt and always barely scraping by even as they drive expensive cars and wear nice clothes? Are there men who live like that? Sure. But that's the minority of men...
Ever seen a woman truly invent and create and build stuff like carpentry or remodeling her house or fixing her own car or changing her oil or mowing her own lawn or roofing her house or buying a boat and taking it out on the lake or going on a long road trip by herself etc. etc. etc.? They do such things, sure, it does happen... but be honest: it's men who come up with things to do and do them. And women LOVE to come along for the ride and feel listless, aimless, pointless, and hopeless without a man.

And none of those things that women want and need is height or dick size.

So when push comes to shove, as a man, you can build or accomplish or gather or gain whatever it takes to attract some pussy and get into a relationship.
Is it easy?
Of course not. It never is. NOTHING IS EASY for men.

>to be cont.

>>28060062
>>28060131
>>28060206
>>28060281
nigga shut the fuck up aint nobody reading all that shit

>>28060044
Sauce is this forum. It's an anon who browsed this forum and went YOLO. There was a clip where he said, "I dedicated this to the GIF monger forum." Hey, porn anon, if you're reading this, post more OC.

>>28060035
Well if you live in the middle of fucking nowhere then sure, it might not work. But it offers reviews for escorts and amps without having to pay like rubmaps and actually keeps things up to date, for when a place gets closed down. There is then a premium sub to read full reviews if you want them

>>28060281
>cont

You've seen that .webm of that dude who's missing an arm and a leg and yet he just hops up and clambers over that obstacle and then the women step up and just can't even begin to tackle that challenge?
Who's the real star in that .webm?

Yeah, that's you. The one that overcomes the obstacle. You're the one who conquers even when starting out disadvantaged. You're the one who makes it look easy and puts perfectly fit women to shame despite starting from a place that was said to be game over and impossible.

But that's what makes men MEN and it's why women NEED and want and are, deep down, desperate for men: because men are the ones who overcome.

>>28059990
Then make more money. The path is right there in front of you and highlighted on the map with bright and clear road signs. Go do it. And be glad that it's so simple.

>but then she'll only love my money and not ME
ALL WOMEN ARE WHORES ANYWAY
WOMEN DO NOT AND WILL NEVER "LOVE" MEN
Women love men's money, men's strength, men's accomplishments, men's status, men's competence. Not men.
And men mostly just want pussy-- because WHO THE FUCK wants to listen to a cunt yapping? as though they had anything interesting to say?

Love, if there is such a thing, is like a seed that grows into a mighty tree.
It takes time. It takes regular watering and careful pruning and must be checked on to be sure no rot or bugs have infected it.
And it takes good soil to be planted into in the first place: both men and women must make sure that they are fertile ground for love to grow in and have lots of fertilizer to feed the flames of love. Because a tree starved of what it needs doesn't grow as well. So make sure you have as much money as you can, make sure you have a sexy body as much as you are able, make sure you are as pleasant as possible...

>>28060289
then don't read it and shut the fuck up, faggot.

>>28060289
Public education in the inner city and being raised by a single mother really did a number on you, huh, Tyrone? I'm surprised you can even read at all but I'm not surprised you don't have the patience to do so

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posting a novel with 0 webms in a gift forum is niggerifuc faggotry

>>28049175
She's a Hottie. She can ride me!

How do you hype yourself up to visit an escort or amp? I've only ever done it once, but it was in japan so it was likely way safer. I mean I'm wanting to visit a place with tons of reviews but can't bring myself to do it

>>28055298
You're not wrong

>>28051947
this bitch is so fucking ugly inside and out... how the fuck is she making money? Who the fuck would fucking pay this bitch???
if there was any justice at all this bitch would be begging on a street corner for a scrap of food much less be getting any fucking attention at all MUCH less be getting paid to be naked
fuck this gay earth

>>28056971
>those sad titties
Pathetic

>>28060331
NTA but this guy's rambling almost looks like schizo spam, something about the way he spaces it out

>>28059930
Sounds like low self esteem. Your looks match isn't ALWAYS a blown out 35 year old with herpes and 100k in debt. One thing I had to realize was that I do use a lot of negative phrases and have a lot of negative thoughts that form a negative perception of the world and others. The world isn't all negative. The more you give yourself into the negativity, the more you risk it becoming a reality and in that biased, illogical, mindset, you'll only see it as "confirmation" that your negativity is actually the truth and justified but all you did was just make it a reality. It is a strange thing, the mind, but that is life.

Anyone have any actual experience or tips for Toronto?

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>>28055052
I got doggiestyle, blowjob, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, or just her being cute. This is reverse cowgirl. Got one where I stuck a finger in her butthole too.

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>>28060972

https://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=2955728

>24 hrs with a young thai girl for less than $300

This is nuts. Prices of western escorts are fucking insane and the quality is terrible. Like 150-300 per hour for a 35-40 year old trying to pass as 25....

>>28059982
I also see a lot of chad looking guys at brothels which is strange. But they might have been chuds perviously and still have social awkwardness.

>>28061066
It actually comes full circle. Chads recognize women age like milk and whores are the best way to get their cock sucked without drama and commitment

>>28058516
>A cycle of low self-esteem, social ineptitude, shyness or extreme shyness, anxiety, not knowing how to talk to women or people in general, lacking self-awareness, having no confidence or game.

>Implying the juice is worth the squeeze and there arent any insane women out there

K bud.

>>28060035
>not enjoying comfy web 1.0 forum design
lmao

>>28060025
Unnerving shit right there.

>>28061099
False dichotomy. I never implied or said "hey guys, there are NOT crazy maneating whores out there who'll just use you up and spit you out, like ravenous wolves to a pack of steaks"
Yes, women can be whores, can lie, can be insane, and can fuck up your life, but the same circumstances that push you to have sex with hookers are the same that keep you back if those are what you're dealing with. If you're using hookers as a crutch because you're socially inept, are inexperienced, don't know how to talk to anyone, let alone women, have low self-esteem, have anxiety, are shy, have no confidence or game, then hookers might help you, but they might keep you from actually making progress. I never said to delude yourself into believing that every woman is now a good church going gal who is chaste and will cook for you and raise your 4 children well. She'll be such a good wife and such a good mother, somehow because you fuck a whore. Life isn't always dour or angelic. Many shades in between

Is it worth it to go for longer than one hour per meeting? How do you guys do it? Is there some kind of sweet spot before you are sick and tired of your "companion"?

>>28061184
You luck out, it is a gamble. I've said it before and i'll say it again. Sometimes all you need is a few minutes. I've never been with a provider for longer than 15 minutes. It is all about you, your personal preferences, and the chemistry you have with a woman or the kind of service/sex you get out of her. The good thing about it is that even if your dumb hormones and brain try to convince you that you want more, the reality is that you're fucking them and paying them to NOT have to deal with all those romance emotions and shit.
If the sex is good, you don't need an hour.

>>28060025
great thanks. might check out. also loool at that review

The amp I went to (first time, about a year ago) had all shut blinds from the exterior. When I opened the door there was like a little waiting room with a couple chairs and a door with a sign that says to "wait here for service" or something like that and a camera in the corner of the ceiling. It kind of freaked me out. On the one hand maybe its just there to verify I'm not a weirdo and to let them know when clients are waiting. It all went very well but I'm curious if the camera thing is normal or what? I want to go back because I had a good experience but I really didn't like that I just walked into a blatant camera looking at me

>>28061327
there's probably secret cameras in the massage rooms and some guy is watching you while jerkin it

>>28056472
nice, will look into it thanks

I had a pretty cool experience at a thai massage parlour.

>hot 28 yo Thai girl
>actual milf
>she starts normal with some good body to body
>just the normal stuff nothing special
>when there's about 15 min left she starts really tugging
>she stops moving so close to my edge that I cum
>she starts moving again after a couple of seconds
>I cum again
>she grips it tight and waits
>starts moving again
>I cum again with her staring at it with eyes of amazement
>she says with a surprised voice that she had not seen someone cum three times in a row like that.
>she doesn't clean me up because it's too much for the amount of paper she had ready so we just jump in the shower.

It all happened within a minute. I'm definitely going back to her, hopefully I can perform like this again.
it's just a shame that I can cum from sex and only handjobs.

>>28057344
those kindly old pint-sized asian massage therapists love devouring rookies. they're like succubi. there's just something about taking a boy's innocence. i remember that twinkle in their eyes too. my first time many moons ago was a 50~ year old with fucking huge tits and I think she enjoyed it even more than i did. all she did was jerk me off but in a way that i was squealing in ecstasy when i came. semen demons, the lot of them

>>28057482
be careful with bikes of any kind. bicycle seats are known to reduce blood flow to the penis, and can cause temporary damage that makes it more difficult to get a hard-on & to maintain it. there's a lot of literature online regarding it that's a quick search away. so i just stick to training & jogging.

>>28059982
>>28059981
>>28059930
It woke me up to realize how screwed up modern dating was when I joined a large company and saw who in a relationship vs who was single. Here are a things that I noticed.

Of those women in relationships, the good looking ones tended to have boyfriends/husbands that seemed almost as if they were on autopilot. Hearing these guys talk was depressing in of itself as I realized these were the real epitome of the NPC meme. They just did what was popular but seemed the most “stable”

The women who were not the best looking tended to have men who they seemed to disregard at a moment’s notice for any male attention in the office. I came to really dislike these women as more often then not they seemed to have poisonous attitudes towards alot in life.

Of the men that I worked with, the married ones were generally much older and did not seem to be very interesting to talk to. They mostly seemed to be focused on things like football and were overall pretty unhappy.

The younger men were almost always single. There would be a handful of guys who would be “dating” a woman but it always seemed to be either guys settling for some really busted women or guys who would get cycled through by a mixture of women at the company and women in town. Among the “high status” men, there was less than five who seemed to be in a genuinely happy relationship.

I am doing okay for myself in the sense that I have women compliment me at work, match with me on dating apps and meet up for coffee/sometimes to fuck however in terms of relationships. I have never had a “relationship” last longer than four months. The women just become emotionally distant around week ten or so and then usually ghost me a few weeks after that.

>>28054603
>it's honestly not even demoralizing, i'm just worn out from dealing with other people's problems. there's always a divorce or a kid or a sick pet or chronic illness or rent hike or SOMETHING that tugs at my heartstrings and makes me want to help out. and i sympathize, because life is hard and i've been through plenty of bad times myself, but i want to focus on my own happiness for once.
This is real anon, I'm almost there myself. it's very tempting.

>>28061509
Dont do it. It’s probably better to not even browse these type of porn videos so you dont get any ideas.

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I've only been to an amp 4 times now since frequenting the threads. 1st time I bust a nut from the novelty. All three times now, can't from the condom or even an HJ. HJ and BJ at least gets me up. Condom sex feels like nothing. Even with this pretty, young slender girl. Didn't feel a thing. The whole situation isn't sexy. I got nothing out of it. Even looking at her naked and feeling her just was like, "yeah, soft skin. Okay." Going to try english speaking escorts a city over now either tommorow or next week. Someone somewhere has to do bare blowjobs. I haven't masterbated in a week. Going to blow up in my ona that is 10x better than anything I've gotten so far.
Fucked up the camera angle so this is all the action I got from my first successful camera shot. Clipped it to my jean's pocket and looked natural on the floor.
>>28061042
It really is insane. What should be standard of a 20-something, 200$ for an hour is nonexistant where I'm at.

>>28061509
>and i sympathize, because life is hard and i've been through plenty of bad times myself, but i want to focus on my own happiness for once.
The real redpill: cuntoids exploit every single little thing that comes up to try and get attention and, more importantly, money from you.
They don't give two fucking shits their grandma died or their dad has alzheimers or whatever.
They have problems when rent goes up because they spend every penny as soon as they get it and/or they always just assume some simp (YOU) will pay for them.
They don't take responsibility for their pets (nor for anything really!) so they make it your problem-- because in their solipsistic world that's what your entire existence comes down to: fixing all her problems for her so that she just sits back and seeks her own pleasure while you slave away and worship her.

The reason you feel like it's always SOMETHING that makes you want to help out IS BECAUSE YOU'RE BEING MANIPULATED so that you'll want to give her money without her directly saying the words (because whores have weird hangups about coming right out and saying "give me money and I'll give you sex" because then that would be just too whorish and too shameless somehow).

You're doing the right thing by keeping your money.
Make women chase you. Don't ever fucking simp.
Don't ever pay a whore until AFTER she makes you cum inside her body (preferably without a rubber, but hey, BE SAFE).
You WANT to cum. She NEEDS to pay rent.
Don't be a fucking simp.

>why without a rubber, anon? Are you fucking retarded?
So that it's real. So that she has some skin in the game-- literally. So that she actually does the real fucking thing without any pretense or veil or shielding or insulation or protection. So that it's degrading and humiliating for her. So that she can't hide or lie to herself or pretend in any way that she isn't having sex for money. None of this "no, it's fine, I always make them wear a condom. So it doesn't _reeeeaaaallly_ count"