wtf is going on

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Thank god someone else baked

>>8069693
janny probably tired of the reports coming in due to shitters and just deletes the whole thread

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>>8069693
I have ZERO idea.

>>8069698
but deleting other threads as well is too much

wtf you faggots mean deleted? it's just archived, it died because you guys have slowed down an insane amount, taking 1 year between each image post, wtf has happened to hdg? it used to be like 600 posts and then image limit reach, last thread was almost 1k posts but not even remotely close to image limit

I'm still using forge until there is a good reason to switch. What add-ons should I get? I'm already using adetailer and couple.

>>8069698
but there was nothing reportable aside from a couple shitposts

>>8069702
newfag

>>8069705
it's not newfag it's the truth, only a few weeks ago shit would hit image limit in no time, now there's hardly any images. you are the newfag here if you don't realize that

>>8069707
now you're just embarrassing yourself

>>8069709
says you

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I haven't lurked in a while, was surprised to see /hdg/ return 0 results until someone baked. Thought a tornado swept everyone away while I wasn't looking.

>>8069415
Now that's a dusty ol' guide written long ago.
Good to see you're still around, a lot of older posters just checked out permanently since thread quality dipped significantly for a good while.

>>8069713
the tornado is called janny on a power trip, it will probably continue until someone takes it to mods on irc, that someone won't be me, naturally

alright janny nuke the thread these retards are on their same shit again

https://files.catbox.moe/hp7ghl.png

>>8069693
no fucking idea

permanently move /hdg/ to trash

>>8069716
>until someone takes it to mods on irc
It has been tried in another general/board, mods don't give a shit about anything.

/ic/ having one gigantic melty & mass reporting AI threads
Its baseless my conspiracy theory

that archive guy is right though. i just checked amd you can too! Either click the link in OP which leads to the last hdg thread or in seach look into the archive...

how can the thread exist in the archive if it was nuked?

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Would anons familiar with XL training care to share a few tips? Mainly, number of images in dataset, number of repeats/epochs, dim/alpha, batch size, training speed? I'm limited by using a colab so I got about 3 hours of training time before it runs out of memory.

>>8069725
exactly, if the thread was actually nuked, it would not be archived on 4chan itself, only on other archive sites

>>8069725
I guess
and it was way past the bump limit so it's only natural it will fall past pg 10

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>>8069723
>& mass reporting AI threads
My rrat tells me it has something to do along that line.

>>8069723
i wouldn't say it's baseless, last year we had random shitposters show up here who tried to stir up shit yet clearly knew nothing about the tech, but in the end it doesn't matter who's doing it

>>8069725
>>8069729
it's not like they can't archive it themselves, the thread was not on page 10 yet, this board is not that fast, there are threads that last for months, in case of hdg we hit bump limit way faster due to large amount of text posts but like i said the board itself is not that fast to push it to page 10 in under two days

>>8069731
>My rrat
You mean your melty rat.
Stop genning slop

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>>8069727
>yadayada disclaimer
>yadayada it werks for me
>https://files.catbox.moe/lk48ky.toml
Here are the settings I use for a DoRA with derrian's easyscripts. I use around 100 images. XL generalizes better without requiring as many images as SD1.5. I don't know if any current colab setups use DoRA though.

>>8069732
/h/ may be slow, but there's recently a lot of shit threads made which can bump it up fast and kill the hdg thread

>>8069727
>number of images in dataset
requirements vary by what you train and the quality of the images and frankly also what the base model can handle better/less well

e.g. increasing breast size on sd/sdxl pretty easy but not yet trained yoga poses pretty to very hard

> number of repeats/epochs
varies on whether your learning rate, I usually do prodigy/schedulefree 1 repeat each "as many epochs as it still learns" with potentially even 300 epochs

not sure how far you can take this on colab but there's also a chance that adamw8 cosine/constant at a pretty high lr works reasonably well on some datasets within 10-20 epochs on only a handful repeats or less and not even that many images

>>8069725
then why is there a thread not at bump limit with the last post being made on saturday, a day before the last thread was even made, still on the board?
the thread would've been on like page 6 at worst. Also mods/jannies can archive early if they're so inclined on being a massive fucking faget.

>>8069707
Ain't that thread like, 90% autistic retards going ham over how much they hate pony models ?, yet those same braindead faggots think they're some kinda tech prophets just 'cause they can spew a bunch of bs?"

>>8069729
It was on page 8 I still had the tab open

>>8069692
bird sexooo

>>8069740
no idea, i didn't read all that fucking text

>>8069727
>dim/alpha
i'd suggest just doing 1:1

>>8069735
thank you for not using huge dim sizes

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>>8069703

man, I got separately banned for loli, tentacles, and yuri and heres your ass posting all three. u fkn legend.

>>8069702
>i want to see threads full of melty naislop
kys naigro

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O My Jannies, forgive us our sins

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>>8069729
>>8069742
Still have the tag open. Yep, it was on page 10.

>>8069751
>*Yep, it was NOT on page 10.

>>8069749
i don't miss the nai slop, and there still is nai slop, but everyone has died out, retard
>rent free

>>8069747
you're not alone in that

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>>8069703
>>8069747

gg, see you tmrw cowboy.

I didn't report, swear on me mum, it was a great gen.

>>8069752
>>8069751
i am shocked. shocked i tell you.

anyway. a new thread was made and i could care less about your problems

>>8069746
Large dims are a meme, so ye. Never understood why people would do 200mb character/concept loras when a model fits hundreds of concepts/characters in a few GB.

>>8069753
>but everyone has died out
I fucking wonder why, retard-kun.

>>8069757
This is why we need SD3

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>>8069756
It was really great. Made me want to improve my multiple girl prompts. Still a work in progress.

>>8069760
wtf you mean faggot, ai is better than ever, in every aspect, if it was gonna die out, it should be dead back when everyone used nai leak

>>8069759
Character accuracy, I've tested it extensively pony Loras keep improving up to 128 dim / 64 alpha. It's most noticeable on characters with things like specifically necklaces or something.

>>8069759
disk space is cheap.

>>8069759
large dims do improve on complex characters, its just difficult to warrant a 600mb LORA for accuracy form some people

>>8069759
Because it does not scale like that. If 6000 characters can be reproduces with 6GB, it does not mean 1 character can be reproduced with 1MB. You are gimping expressive potential by reducing dims too much.

>>8069766
I doubt it, but feel free to do 5gig loras for a character nobody else cares much about. For styles and concepts 8-12dim is more than enough.

>>8069762
Text is easy enough to edit in as long as it isn't on a curved surface

>>8069773
NTA but I have a character LORA with multiple outfits that I'm testing out right now which was trained at 64 dim/alpha. i usually resize them afterwords and they wind up being around 60mb but if i reduce this one's accuracy below something like 99.95% then one of the outfits loses half of its details.
maybe having a 16 channel VAE will prevent this when we collectively move on from using this shit model and architecture

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Thanks for the answers

>>8069735
I've given it a looksee, interesting parameters, especially the learning rate. I see that DoRA train better at lower and faster too it seems. As for the disclaimer, yeah there's never that perfect "one fits all" setting, would be foolish to expect as much.

>>8069737
Forgot to mention what I train, characters are fairly easy to get right, but I'm having trouble with art styles, picrel is the latest attempt at Sawao. I can do about 4000 steps with Prodigy at batch size 3, 16//8 16/8 Locon, over that colab just boots me off. This is why I do 1 repeat and about 10 epochs. I'll try reducing the dataset size and do double the epochs next time

>>8069773
Those settings are going to be "fine" if you want a nude girl that looks something like the char half the time, nothing more

>>8069766
Yea it's often easier to train a more specific character with larger network dims.

I'm guessing it'd be able to shrink with better / more training but trading some space for easier training is typically just a good trade-off.

>>8069699
what the hell senpai thats good. did this involve that kritadiffusion or just a lot of img2img inpaint

>>8069775
every single loras of characters with multiple outfit I tried is garbage and the outfit are not consistent, rather have a lora for each outfit

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>>8069777
Don't use prodigy for styles. Prodigy is good for getting into training, but there are certain things that Prodigy just cannot seem to learn.
I say this as someone who has done extensive training with Prodigy, Adam, Lion and some Cane before settling with Lion.

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>>8062903
finally got around to doing some gens with the Bishoujo Mangekyou lora

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>>8069788

>>8069781
>Having black people in your porn is against the rules
Yeah no

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>>8069791

>>8069766
From my baking experience, character details plateau very quickly as long as it's not something excessively small like 1 dim. 64dim was not needed for the more complex characters I baked. What did make a significant difference though, were consistently drawn+high quality training images and proper captions. A lot of issues with small details usually come from inconsistently drawn characters across artists, causing them to blend together.

>>8069775
Resizing *after* training is certainly going to affect details because you'll be losing weights, some of which might be important for reproducing the character. It would be better to train at a lower dim in the first place if you were losing details after resize. I had this experience with a character's mizugi lora where her name that was written on the front, while previously legible was noticeably worse after resize, but did fine when I just baked at a lower dim instead.

>>8069791
Very hot.

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>>8069793

>>8069788
>>8069791
nice

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>>8069764

when it comes to yuri, it has to be situational for me. The actual "sex" is usually too annoying to prompt for anyways. Your gen is probably one of like 3 positions that actually makes sense.

>>8069788
>>8069791

those are A+ snatches.

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>>8069799

>>8069804
based

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>>8069787
Never actually trained with Lion, will try that and see what happens, thanks for the input

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>>8069795
this is my large lora with 128 dim and 10k steps vs a small civitai lora, there is no helping people who say these look the same

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>>8069806

>>8069799
That makes sense. Last post I used the tag cunnilingus and I got this. Will probably go through a full list of tags later to see what sticks

>>8069793
Box me that one please

>>8069807
top civitai lora just mean that it was uploaded longer

>>8069814
not really my point, that is just what you get for a character with worse loras, like someone else said it would probably work fine if you just wanted a simple nude of her

>>8069807
damn nochekaiser exposed

>>8069807
i think you should use 256 dim to reeeeally push those details

>>8069819
256dim starts to just break the model in my experience, I did try

>>8069807
>comparing with a civitai lora
I don't know about you, but I'd do a dim comparison with my own loras. It's not very convincing when you're using a lora made by someone else (from civitai of all places) whose settings, much less training images, aren't even the same.

Your images would certainly be a strong argument against civitai loras in general though. Like the other anon said, top civitai lora doesn't mean much when it often just means it was uploaded early.

>>8069807
what the fuck is this comparison? why are you comparing some random civicuck's lora with yours and using it as an argument for ridiculous dim?

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>>8069824
I might do that at some point but training a LoRA I know is going to be worse is a bit boring, i've done it before for a grid compare.

>>8069825
it was just mostly for the size but yeah I need to compare like for like, i'll do a small version of the same dataset sometime today, got other loras baking atm


Here is another quality comparison I found that isn't quite the same thing but showing off training at different res

>tuning parameters to the max will make the product better
the only thing that matters is dataset. period.

>>8069831
its like making a stew, the better ingredients and cooking method the better the result

>>8069831
data set is most important but once you have a good dataset, using "stronger" settings will get more effect out of it

>>8069750
shame, shame

I want to do a big grid comparing different ai sources.
Can someone with a NAI sub do some images with this prompt?

dehya_(genshin_impact) simple background, , looking at viewer, solo, 1girl, black hair, blonde hair, bare shoulders, criss-cross halter, amulet, single claw, dark skin, very dark skin, jewlery, breasts, large breasts, earrings, asymmetrical clothes, asymmetrical gloves, armlet, dark skinned female , cape, ripped clothing, black shorts, midriff, multicolored hair, thigh boots, collar, long hair, blue eyes, straps, leg straps, painted nails, halterneck, gloves, skindentation, armor, belt, red nails, nail gloss, fingerless gloves, hair between eyes, pants, nail polish, red gemstone, elbow gloves, single pantsleg, black belt, halter, navel, torn clothes, toned female, vision \(genshin impact\)

Doesn't she work on pony base? I remember making some stuff with her back in january.

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>>8069839
https://files.catbox.moe/83topm.png
https://files.catbox.moe/or4jtl.png

>>8069839
Doesn't NAI suck if you go over 75 tokens? Considering you probably would also have to add shit like best quality, very aesthetic and so on.

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>>8069799
>>8069809
fellow enjoyers

>>8069813
https://litter.catbox.moe/esbtyb.png

>>8069843
No?
That was an early bug where every 75 tokens that token 76 and 77 would be ignored, but that was fixed like a month into V3's life.

>>8069842
thanks

>>8069843
possibly, if anyone wants to make said prompt work in the best way it could for NAI to do a fair comparison that would be good

>>8069842
>>8069807
naibros...

I didn't expect that this would work
https://files.catbox.moe/rmujho.mp4

>>8069842
is nai locked to this res without something like highes or adetailer? It's gonna get btfo at this rate

>>8069853
good morning newfriend sir

>>8069854
thanks for the answer dumbass, I just have little interest in anything non local that can be taken from me

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the meeting with her fan club went differently from how she thought it would go

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>>8069842

>>8069861
is this girl from nikke?

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>>8069845

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>>8069861

>>8069864
nope, custom ffxiv catgirl, I got from another anon a while ago.

>>8069780
>kritadiffusion
not at all
>a lot of img2img inpaint
there was some inpainting to sharpen up her look and adjust her hair length but thats it
this is the original pic off text2img
https://files.catbox.moe/26robj.png

>>8069839
I did a few pics when i was subbed but it was when i had absolutely no idea what i was doing so they're not great, and the prompt isn't what you requested, i have barely described her at all, but i'll leave them here just in case they might be useful
https://files.catbox.moe/10s476.png
https://files.catbox.moe/lpskvp.png
https://files.catbox.moe/lykj4n.png
https://files.catbox.moe/0zsuhb.png

>>8069868
thanks, I guess i'll include those as they are slightly better than the one above.
I think it is going to be a tl;dr of nai just being vastly worse than a LoRA

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>>8069839
>that prompt
I don't think you understand how NAI works

>>8069876
nope and that is pretty good, can you make 3 more images like this for a grid compare please.
1 more the same and 2 more "from behind"

>>8069876
Why is that an "img2img" request?

>>8069759
I do whole VNs with some lyco settings that an anon posted half a year ago, 16/8 and 8/4 for conv. I think they could stand to gain more accuracy if I do double the dim and alpha but honestly I think it's close enough already. Also maybe cascade will be able to achieve more details with the same settings who knows, best to wait and see.

>>8069870
>I think it is going to be a tl;dr of nai just being vastly worse than a LoRA

please don't make anything attempting to be educational when you don't even have the slightest clue of what your doing. Half those tags are not even functional in nai and are completely redundant actually.

>>8069878
because he took a pony gen and presented it as nai
..
is that what you expected? lol
it's upscaled, upscaling goes through img2img

>>8069878
lmao, he probably put some fan art of her through at low de-ionise

>>8069878
he drew it himself and then passed to nai

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>>8069839
>>8069842 (me)
Maybe it looks better with certain artists and a simpler prompt

>>8069870
NAI has an extremely inconsistent default style, if you're not using artist prompts the output quality swings wildly.
Not to say it's better than local, but I find using artist prompts with it mandatory if I want to get something in line with my personal preferences.

>>8069773
No way lol, are you one of those guys that has a bunch of obviously underbaked style loras on your mega?

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>>8069878
because it was img2img https://files.catbox.moe/9bn0jt.png

I want to do a big grid comparing different ai sources.
Can someone with a NAI sub do some images with this prompt?

lovely cute young attractive indian teenage girl in a pretty foreign dress, 23 years old , cute , an Instagram model , long blonde_hair , winter ,

>>8069783
Unironically a skill issue on their part. I've made loras that include every character in a game, and usually most of the outfits work except for a select few outfits that aren't even all that complex a lot of the time (like a simple black dress). Other complex outfits are fine. Usually the cause of that is token overlap in the dataset of either the lora or base model and/or a lack of images for that outfit in the dataset. I could probably increase the repeats for the outfit and have it be way more consistent, but then you risk frying your lora.

should i do an ethel/monica/miyabi lora next or face my year old nemesis and try a sena one again

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kek imagine training a 128dim lora for a character that almost works by default

>>8069894
it's mostly a tagging issue, if your outfit is properly tagged in every image you can do multiple outfits for a char in 1 lora.
League of legends loras are frequently garbage because data sets contains the champion in many skins

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>>8069896
do you really think that looks close to this?

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>posting the most dogshit girl in the game

for shame

>>8069893
uuuhhh bro?? you forgot ((((hi-rez:1.6))) and ((4k HD bluray:1.7))

>>8069896
That guy is known to be pretty dumb.

Nah I only made three total. But feel free to go through the rentry loras, pick a good one and read its metadata. Even the most impactful ones are rarely above dim12. Usually around 100mb, often just 70mb. deepvalley, asanagi, zankuro, rustle, alexi, and so on

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how do i prompt this shit on pony?
hip vent, crotch cutout does not cut it

>>8069898
Yeah usually, but sometimes no amount of tagging can replicate an outfit, whether they're unique tags, a complete description of the outfit using as many danbooru equivalent tags as possible, or a combination of of all of them.

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the issue with multi outfit/character loras IME is running out of tokens that don't influence each other

>>8069788
>>8069791
>>8069793
The Lora creator here and that's a bunch of pretty good stuff. I seldom mix own style loras with others but it's nice to see them playing well with a bunch of other loras.

>>8069913
Hoping against all odds that cascade is gonna be a banger in the next couple of months

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>>8069876

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>>8069886

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>>8069891

>>8069898
I think it depends on the outfits themselves too. Magical girls have it easy with their transformation and civilian clothes. But doing say a summer school uniform and a winter school uniform, booru tags will often overlap and you're forced to use a custom outfit tag while pruning the rest. That approach doesn't learn nearly as well.

If my LoRA is fried, how do I adjust the training to make it not fried? Using the standard character preset

>>8069921
There is no standard preset

>>8069921
don't use whatever standard character preset
turn down the LR and/or train for fewer steps

>>8069920
Yeah unless they're hyper distinct with separatable tags. In the Biman lora, the first 2 games generate pretty consistently since they are unique from the rest (yellow blazer is only in one, and the plaid necktie and such is only in game two), but the rest of the games have generic serafuku that even 'black sailor collar' can't save without 50/50ing an entirely black sailor uniform lmao

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>>8069922
retard
>>8069923
about how many steps do you think is best for characters? styles?

>>8069921
if its fried (as in shit like the colors are fucked it looks like noise), turn down the UNET, if its overfit (bad hands and blobs) turn your TE down

>>8069907
meant for
>>8069890

multidiffusion-upscaler-for-automatic1111 does not seem to work with automatic1111-forge. No matter how many times I click and reload UI, the extension always appear unchecked. Why is that?

>>8069929
Thanks. How about if the LoRA looks good by itself but starts causing those issues when in the same prompt as others?

>>8069934
Its overfit then I think, to the point where it affecting the other prompts, turn the TE down and bake for more steps and try to save an early epoch/step count where the desired effect is there but doesn't just outright hurt the overall prompt. if a LORA isn't flexible enough then it means you baked for too long or your LRs are too high.

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In celebration of the new Zelda game

>>8069940
nice

>>8069945
FUCK YOU

>>8069807
looks good. have you tried training on any newer model types yet? sd3/sigma/hunyuan/lumina/...

>>8069945
fucking kek

>>8069945
lmao

>>8069951
no I haven't really been impressed enough with what I have seen to go for retraining loras on them, it took awhile to convince me on pony vs 1.5

>>8069945
is that really the prompt you used? lmao

>>8069944
Thanks

>>8069945
kek

requesting a Yunli (Honkai Star Rail) lora

>>8069945
>uc
>you
holy based

>>8069963
There's one for honkai third, same thing right?

>>8069965
I've no idea, just started hsr, first ever gacha game for me. I'll go look

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so this is the power of e4

is civitai shitting the bed?

>>8069976
is it ever not

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it's learning the trick for avoiding bad hands

>>8069975
>>8069978
how do artists work with her?

>>8069975
Man why do I sense your pics are all massive skill issue, I went to the trooncord and idk how but they're able to generate good pics

>>8069982
Sounds like SD3. Sure you can wrangle something good out of it if you try hard enough, but the goal is having good outputs by default.

>>8069983
Yeah just like pony and nai, they both have superb output by default, no skill required, no learning curve

>>8069983
>but the goal is having good outputs by default.
no it isn't

>>8069975
Welcome back, Napoleon Bonaparte

>>8069983
Well I guess
At least the meltiness is really slowly fading away

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>>8069982
i'm putting 0 effort into these gens but you're welcome to post better ones yourself

>>8069983
Can you prompt good sex with no negatives and no sepia on base pony?

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>>8069783
>rather have a lora for each outfit
Bonus points if you don't prune character features when doing it, you'll get an outfit lora that can work with other characters. Or at least with other unpruned ones.

>>8069992
Can you do that on any model? Bit of an unrealistic goal there.

>>8069990
Do kagami lying on grass to compare the output with SD3

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Cant make this shit up bros

>>8069995
Can be done in nai probably

>>8069997
aint reading all that
did astratroon shit ximself again?

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>>8069996

>>8069997
Donating all shekels to astratro- umm I mean astracu- uhh I mean astrake- err I mean astracookie rn
He needs our support! Guys, quick!

>>8069999
I like NAI is like the schrodingers model it is both incredibly hard to use and required artist tags negs to be good but also a models that brainlets can use and does outputs without effort

>>8070002
sovlful

>>8070002
Mogs SD3 hard

>>8069997
funny
this model is capable of cheese on a fundamental level, more so if you finetune it, this will remain true for all future versions and he can't unrelease V6, the only thing he can do is try and emulate NAI and keep it locked up

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sd3 could never

>>8070004
Nah it's not that hard, really.
Its skill ceiling is higher than some people say it is but considering there's no option to tinker with it locally it's still ultimately limited.

It's easier to pay 25 bucks and prompt 1girl 1boy booba sex in a web interface compared to setting shit up for local, downloading models yadda yadda, but making it not look like shit still requires a bit of specific understanding.

>>8070012
Hands are about SD3 level, I give you that.

>>8069997
>let people be absolute retards every days with most aspect of their lives
>you can't prompt those two words next to each other it's not safe
this makes me so mad, even the smoking makes you healthy wasn't that insulting because people had the choice to pick up a cigarette compared to the current humiliating childproofing of AI.

>>8069997
jordach, submit him into oblivion and horrors far beyond our comprehension.

>>8070017
Thats fucking soul

>>8070016
Not really. Even using negatives, SD3 hands are FUCKED as hell. I bet these ones have almost zero negs and it's already doing better hands overall.

>>8070019
>8069997
Yeah Jordach send this goofy ass nigga to the Shadow Realm, safety my ass, tf is this retard doing

>>8070008
Reminder that this retard quit his job to do this; the other competitors in the generation as a service space all mog pony. Who the fuck would pay to use pony when Anlatan exists with the ultimate anime model and a furry model? The only reason pony is relevant is because it does nsfw with no filter and is LOCAL. Watching this shit crash and burn is going to be so beautiful.

>>8070008
More likely talking about ways to censor v7, without ruining the model completely like SD did.
>child safety and deepfake prevention
Proper photorealism did take a few months to mix into v6. How's loli though? I'm guessing people who want borderline toddler shit still have work to do.

>>8070026
To be fair no one gives a shit about NAI furry model but yeah I wouldn't pay for either.

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this epoch does make me think that we're starting to get somewhere at least

>>8070026
even jordach has a job
hell, even illyasviel, kohaku, kohya, they all have jobs but this troon decides to leave his job just to focus on this shitty ass model

>>8069997

wtf is PurplemartAI??

>>8070017
I mean, the general characteristics are there

>>8070032
FUCKING SOVL
Two more epochs, unironically

>>8070035
Astralite's discord/website.
>>8070034
They aren't mentally ill like horsefucker.

>>8070038
Whps astralite?

>>8070035
astralite's larp corporation. why admit that you are just one guy when you can sound more official and say we when discussing his world premier cartoon horse porn generator

>>8070039
The mind behind ponydiffusion model, the savior of local.

>>8070043
>>8070044
naikeks prepare your ass cuz jordach is coming for you

where's the e4 link

>>8070047
https://cdn.spectrometer.art/

naikeks, serious question, if cascade finetune gets better than pony, will you stop being naikeks and swap to local?

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>dehya lora maker
>SETTINGSMAXXING
>confused/scared by nai
>everyone ignoring seething blackedfag
>Billy undesired content: you
>astatroon trying to pretend hes still relevant
>sides in orbit reading this thread

one of the best threads we had, and it's only been up for like 3 hours, is this what happens when it slows down?

>>8070037
and this is only the 1b model, the 3.6b cooked up to 10+ epochs should be soul...

>>8070046
I'm prepared to stop paying once there's a good local model that isn't made by insane hypocritical troon.
t. naikek

>>8070049
ty

>>8070041

>>8070042

oooh ok I get it now. I haven't been caught up on the latest happenings of ponyfags

>>8070052
surely by the end of the year we will have the definitive cascade model...

>>8070051
Can someone vibe transfer this girl? Also I think there was an uncropped version

>>8070057
Give it a month or 45 days at most from now on cuz the 3.6B one will be trained unet_only since the TE is already being trained along with the 1B and the 3.6B one will bake with the frozen TE that's being trained rn, unet_only training is a lot faster

>>8069956
probably only interesting at this point if one of the training data sets didn't quite train in enough detail

>>8069997
pony was a nice thing to release; I don't actually want to see him waste efforts on censorship and safety and then fail

Can someone give me a quick explanation of who is jordach? I just got here.

I know who ponyfucker is, thank you.

>8070063
>nooo poor horsetroon somebody help him
fucking faggot, OUT

>>8070063
Th dirty secret is that models like midjourney/dall-e are still trained with NSFW, the censorship is done on the prompts that are passed to the model - the model itself isn't lobotomized completely. It sounds like horsefucker wants to do what Stability did to sd3 if he plans to release it locally, which will fail for obvious reasons. Kind of funny to watch all of the jeets acting like he is a savior of local when he's just going to fuck him all the in the ass.

>>8070069
>Kind of funny to watch all of the jeets acting like he is a savior of local when he's just going to fuck him all the in the ass.
Tell me how he isn't savior of local. If not for him we'd be stuck on animagine.

>>8070050
Yeah honestly as long as the prompting on it isn't completely fucked I'm gonna switch, I've been waiting for a while to switch back to local but I really don't wanna deal with Pony's bullshit. Also doesn't Cascade's VAE have more channels than SDXL? I'm pretty excited for the sharper details if that's true.

>>8070064
Jordach is a furry that alongside someone called meanoldtree they're baking a finetune over Cascade, a model with an unique architecture made by a competent team of SAI called WARP
The finetune doesn't has any artist or concept pruned and it's being baked on a rig of Ada6k
The epochs are being released from time to time as the model bakes, why? Because they want to

>>8070046
that wasn't me >>8070053 but whatever works out im fine with
not gonna participate in consolewars though

>>8069997
Trying to larp as someone who gives a shit about ethics when you are a pony fucker is laughable.

whoever builds first and builds well will probably be the next foundational model
I don't care who it is, cascade blows ass and is confirmed a dead end technology, I don't know why they're even bothering to continue after sotediffusion turned out so bad
either some variant of sdxl or alternative like chinaDIT or pixart. I don't care, make it and let me train on it.

anyone have a link to a comfy preset for resonance? capgui crashes, i think the links posted here got killed and i'm too retarded to figure this shit out

>>8070084
I've been waiting for the perfect model to train on, have a huge collection of images ready but nothing quite feels worth it yet. Maybe in a year or two.

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Fruits anyone?

>>8070084
excuse mr expert can u teach us why cascade bad? asking unironically

>>8070096
not him but I've seen plenty of people say that very compressed latent space results in inability to output intricate details/eyes
might be bullshit?

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>>8070097
That might be true but unlike 1.5 and XL you can choose any compression level you want.

>>8070089
nice background and details
is this 1.5? looks like 1.5 (in a good way, since i like the realistic shading, not trying to start shit)

>>8070096
Cascade doesn't have transformers in the architecture

>>8070096
gens look like shit
I don't need to know the technical reasons why anon, they look bad
everything is approximate and smudged, artists are at best vague reproductions and features like eyes especially do not translate well at all.
just look at the outputs and reach your own conclusion, if you like the results so far (and do keep in mind that they won't improve much at all), then go for it, I'm not interested.

>>8070096
The thing we probably have to realize with the cascade tune, is if it works out maybe better than pony but every next gen model will move to DIT which means developers and the like will move to support that than waste time developing on this. So while we may get a "better" model there probably won't be any sort of external support with it, unless Jordach does it.

>>8070104
base pony gens look like fucking shit too.
why are you trying to compare unfinished/prototype models to full-blown finetunes and mixes?

>trying to try out cascade
>try capgui because comfy is dogshit
>capgui crashes
>try comfy
>comfy has an error
>look up error on its github repo
>nobody knows how to solve it
amazing

Can cascade run on stable swarm?

>>8070106
XL fundamentally had potential (base SDXL, nai3, various xl shitmixes)
cascade has no potential, look at the existing cascade models and tell me they hit the mark anon
yeah base pony sucks, but the arch was workable, evidently that shows in the result, it was worth trying to train and recover the result
when reso v25 is still shit you can't even mix to fix it because all the cascade models are shit

>>8070110
there's this recurring narrative that cascade was killed off because it was so good and "they don't want you to know"
it was killed off because it's shit

>>8070102
it's this one it's a pony mix, seems to help with background details

https://civitai.com/models/520661

>>8070110
before pony release xl was considered to be an absolute failure too.
all the xl anime jeettunes were garbage, and nai spent so much compute on basically retraining it that it was deemed irrelevant for anything local
animagine 3 came out same time as pony I guess but was it even better than 1.5?

not saying that resonance is going to be a stunning success but no reason to doom before it's done.

>>8070114
Animagine was better than 1.5 in prompt comprehension, but not better than a year's worth of concept loras. It wasn't a big enough jump to make people retrain everything, so it couldn't compete in styles or characters either.

>>8070114
For sfw stuff, Ani is still pretty much king to get good stuff easily (you can probably get better with arti but shit way too wrangly). The porn is bad on it, though the new iterations seem to a huge improvement on that front.

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>>8070128

How is the generation speed on the A1111 now? In Forge I generated an image in 20 seconds (RTX 2070).

u guys are really something
next thing youre gonna say is that wdxl will save us

>>8070142
why would we need saving? we can gen all the porn we want with the tools and models out right now. for free or by paying.

>zombocrombo on civitai
the guy is a complete hack, none of his loras are working despite being number 7 style creator

8070142
ok doomer

>>8070146
yeah i've also complained about his slop here before, he's literally worse than nochekaiser
jeets truly will eat whatever (ces:1.3) they're presented with

>>8070148
I'm convinced he is posting fake loras for fame/money, with or without his lora the result is the same. The guy is a literal cancer filling every style as fast as he can, other baker might not touch some niche styles because there is already a "lora"

>>8070146
>zombocrombo on civitai
lmao nigga is training on unedited manga panels

>>8070104
>>8070110
I'm assuming you extensively tested base cascade and the resonance releases so far right?

>>8070151
>training on unedited manga panels
even lora from CG artists with no text doesn't work

>>8070150
half of his loras have 0 effect, the other half are the most fried shit i've ever seen
they're "real" loras though, his dogshit workflow lets him prepare each one in 5 minutes or less

Best jeet on civit is this guy who explicitly mentioned in his lora descriptions to not use them for nsfw, and they had a melty and deleted all his loras when someone uploaded H to his lora pages. https://civitai.com/user/HNTR7

>stability struggle fining a revenue stream
>meanwhile civitai struggle with the amount of people and content
I have a strong Bethesda and mods in skyrim felling, stability dropped the ball on this one

>>8070146
Isn't nochekaiser №1 "pony creator"? It's hard to imagine things more worthless than redditai badges

>>8070111
>killed
Cascade isn't really Stability's model and the team working on wurstchen went to work on luma

where can I find the cn anytest?

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Its kind of hilarious how bad running is, maybe its a skill issue but it always looks a little dumb.

>>8070178
Ironically, yours came out better than my sad attempt some time ago. At least you have the motions

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>>8070178
side view can be a lot trickier

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>>8070200
wow nice lighting

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>>8070184
true maybe that was a mistake. running towards is a bit better

>>8069993
yeah exactly

is there a database for hairstyles? I don't really like the tag database on dandooru and I have trouble getting some styles

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>>8070208
This rentry is kinda scuffed but it visualizes alot of tags and makes it a bit better to go through.

https://rentry.org/corneo_visual_dictionary

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>>8070198
why are your gens squashed?

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>>8070204
>make an oc elf lady
>realize I've just made a parody of your cat

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>>8069997
what model is this?

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>>8070215
Its not my fault the hair over eyes look is hot

>>8070219
even though I'm apart of what you don't like this still gave me a good laugh. I just like posting my stuff.

>>8070224
next Pony

>>8070200
pony could never

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trying to inpaint hands frustrate me so much, despite having the guide I can't get it right

>>8070225
you are part of the reason i don't visit those threads anymore
feel free to rot whatever way you like

>>8070228
just redraw and upscale

>>8070231
you don't like wholesome chungus acocatto?!?!

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here is a comparison of

no lora, random civitai lora, lora at 16 dim/8 alpha, lora at 128 dim/64 alpha (same data sets)
The improvement from 16 > 128 is not insane however who cares about storage space when it's a slight improvement

>>8070240
call me crazy but I find no lora to be the best looking one

>>8070244
well it massively simplifies the characters details, you might just not like her quite noisy design

>>8070240
>all of them tries to place character features as if it were facing viewer even if prompted from behind
i love this i really do its so wonderful magnificent perfect amazing masterpiece i love training asymmetric characters

>>8070248
really just a job for in-painting for a nice quality finished piece

>>8070240
yeah sorry not sorry, nai is raping all of the above

>>8070251
I don't really any crazy consistency on any of them, all get something wrong eventually. NAI gets her lower half wrong, Big LoRA is more accurate front facing but goes nuts from behind.

>>8070251
the only true truth

>>8070250
ikr its so wonderful to inpaint 12 times every gen to make it look on-character every fucking seed you generate, ai is truly wonderful so intelligent so smart

>>8070261
>you can make anything you want BUT it might take moderate amounts of effort, maybe even up to 15 minutes
truly horrifying

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>>8070231
feel free to post whatever way you like

>>8070240
the last one looks fine to me. Its pretty damn obvious its that character. going for 100% character detail accuracy will drive you nuts.

>>8070255
>Big LoRA is more accurate front facing but goes nuts from behind.
bro they all suck from behind wdym put on your glasses or smthn

>>8070261
if you're jerking it to the character do you really care about those small parts?
if you want a good pic that you'd like to post somewhere is spending 15 minutes on minor inpaints REALLY that much? people getting stuck up on perfecting txt2img is retarded waste of time with current state of ai. you're free to keep wasting your time on the PERFECT lora though.

>>8070240
Looks like a mixed bag to me. Some details like the shoulder pauldron in the upper left image are better on 16/8 and worse on 128/64, but upper right is better on 128/64 and worse on 16/8.
Results seem inconclusive and more attributable to seed rng than anything with a small XY.

>>8070263
>yeah takes a few minutes, several minutes or just 2 minutes if u have a 4090 bro
might just keep paypigging nai then since their gen speed is ~15 seconds
whats the fucking point

>>8070269
That's one of the things I find strange about obsessive bakers here. This shit 90% random, something will eventually fuck up in some gen

>>8070272
Issa okai cranking it up to 1024dim will fix dat shit right up

>>8070270
all the time you've spent on pointless obsessive baking could be spent on those 3 sec inpaints
also nai speed on average is closed to a 3060, not a fucking 4090. 3060 is pretty affordable.