They don't have to make a profit, so they can spend as much of their time as they want.

Also the runtime of their output is way less. Indie animators take a year to make a vid half as long as a single hentai ep

>>8268966
>>8269155
op btfo with facts and logic

>>8268650
>I've never seen anything from a hentai studio animated this well.

Anon... what slop hentai are you watching

>>8268650
>>8268966
>>8269155
>They don't have to make a profit, so they can spend as much of their time as they want.
>Also the runtime of their output is way less. Indie animators take a year to make a vid half as long as a single hentai ep

There's also the fact that they have the freedom to operate entirely on their own schedule that's most comfortable for them, so they have all the time they need to correct any errors and refine/perfect the animations they work on for optimal quality. Studios on the other hand have set release schedules that have to be met to maintain their business. So
it's harder to get better quality consistently unless you have great animators who know what they're doing and can work well within those time frames.

>>8269396
basically anything made after mid 2000s

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>>8268966
>>8269155
These animators are definitely working full time given their output frequency, so they do have to make a profit(and are certainly doing so). They also publish their animations every 1-3 months on average if you look at their feeds.Yea they're shorter than full length episodes, but if we proportionally compared what one indie animator outputs compared to a fully staffed studio, it makes the studios look pretty bad.

>>8269396
Kuroinu, and the H-scenes from Mezzo Forte/A Kite, are the only real highlights I can think of, everything else kind of blends into a sea of mediocrity

>>8268650
Because indie animators are not animating entire episodes. They're not limited by the time budget allotted to them, nor are they limited by the money budget allotted to the project. It's an entirely different scale of project, and it's safe to say that if they tried to animate even a single episode of something on a similar level then you'd get an episode a year at absolute best. The most ambitious link you posted was still just a few cuts of looping animation, nowhere near the full extent of what's required for a complete episode of anime.

And btw there are professionally made h-anime that do exceed these. Bible Black is around the level of these at points, maybe slightly worse but over the course of several OVA series, and Front Innocent was so immaculate that it was a one-and-done because it killed the studio. There's more too but I've done enough spoonfeeding for today.

>>8270385
They're not really making a profit in the same way though. An H-anime's success is determined by the amount copies it sells, while these guys are getting paid so long as they continue to put out attractive animations. In the case of h-anime, it's far more important to just get the work done and out the door as an increase in effort and quality does not necessarily equate to a proportional increase in sales. This is true of patreon subscriptions too, the amount of effort and quality of the work does not necessarily lead to a proportional increase of income, but the individual artist has the time and flexibility of schedule to spend months animating just a couple of cuts of animation. while a studio needs to worry about getting the series done and out the door so they can move on to the next work. Deadlines matter.

>>8270509
>Because indie animators are not animating entire episodes.

You say this like professional studios don't consist of multiple key animators, in-betweeners, background artists, color artists, all assigned to different scenes.

>>8270509
>The most ambitious link you posted was still just a few cuts of looping animation

It's a preview, the full version is more than double in length and was also released with 2 other versions with different fetishes.

>>8270552
They are, but deadlines exist. Those people get the cut, do their bit and send it back. If they're late, like say if they spent weeks immaculately animating a cut immaculately, then they're replaced and become known as someone who can't be relied upon to get work in on schedule. An animation production is far more complicated a process than just one guy animating a few cuts with no deadline and full control over the project.

>>8270562
Even still, we're comparing apple to oranges here.

>>8268650
I cant wait for AI to take down all these studios

>>8270385
>provides no sources for his claims
I'm not just gonna believe what you say without evidence, fagboat. Provide sources, artists, and animations, or admit you're just spreading total bullshit. No in-betweens. Your image has absolutely not context behind it.

>>8273586
as if it wouldn't just make them pump out even sloppier slop than they do now

>>8273684
AI will make it so that everyone can publish slop, which in turn will make those studios go under

I cant wait for it

>>8270385
>Animator working on parody content
>most recent output is a fucking zelda animation
oh gee anon I wonder why this wouldn't be a valid comparison to a legitimate studio

>>8273686
>AI will make it so that everyone can publish slop
they already can, with Koikatsu and MMD and shit, but most are too lazy to even lift a single finger and AI will make that worse

>>8273686
Everyone can publish whatever they want right now. AI didn't make that possible, the fucking internet did.

>>8268650
Satoshi Urushihara anyone?

>>8268966
>>8269155
First posts, best posts

>>8270385
>Kuroinu, and the H-scenes from Mezzo Forte/A Kite, are the only real highlights I can think of
And even those are not as smooth as OPs example.

>>8270509
Now reword all of that as if you were some bimbo slut as befitting the /h/ board

>>8268650
sauce on OP

>>8268650
Indie animators do shit as they please, as long as they have enough income to get by. They can painstakingly work on all of that shit.

A studio animating hentai is a business, and one with far beneath mainstream levels of budget, because it's not for mainstream consumption. If you think the animation sucks, that's because they're literally cutting corners because the end product is what they can afford to pull off for their pay and their available time.

>>8273686
This is some hilarious fucking delusion if you think the industry will die to tech like that. Even real, long-time pros who know how the animation industry works from the inside are completely unthreatened by it. They have a more realistic and stable perspective, which is that AI will be of great use, but as tools.

But more importantly, where we are now, and where we'll be for the forseeable future? AI slop is not comparable to real artists' work. It's not even close. This is because AI development does not have any contextual understanding or learning. It's just reading data and outputting data that inscrutably follows patterns. Even the people behind the machines doing the coding don't fully comprehend some of the things the machine ends up doing; they just know that the output loosely resembles the goal that they're trying to achieve. Even just looking at these slop models, there are certain things that it's something like impossible to get them to not do, because you can't explain what the problem is and the machines don't have a mind that can start to consider that problems or desired outcomes even exist.

And to go further beyond that, AI has to be "trained" on data. That data comes from humans making work. The training data can only change effectively if humans make more art that can be fed in. "We'll just feed the machine more stuff that it made," is an argument that gets thrown around, and is an absolute fool's errand. AI slop already has strong biases (as noted previously), and training it on more of its own output will only make those biases stronger, and cause the new output to get stranger. We're literally already seeing it in language models, where AI-written articles are being posted, then sucked back up into the machine as new data, which just reinforces the weird shit that it does.

I look forward to the day that the development of art gets easier and more accessible with smart digital tools, but the sloppers are wrong.

>>8268966
Seriously I am so sick of hearing retards shit themselves and hype up other faggots for making simple shorts that probably took them ages. It's always the same shit.
>OH YEAH TAKE THAT INDUSTRY!
or
>HIRE THIS MAN
They don't have to work on deadline. They don't have to work on budget. They're producing smaller scale projects outside the industry.

>>8268650
Hentai is being made for cheaper and cheaper budgets because porn as a commercial product with a single price point has been on the decline for decades, ever since online video streaming became convenient. This isn't exclusive to hentai; live-action porn has been taking hits along the same timeframe for the same reasons. Indie animators with a patreon can avoid this because they don't market their work as a product, they market themselves as a personality and convince people to pay for that.

>>8270509
>and it's safe to say that if they tried to animate even a single episode of something on a similar level then you'd get an episode a year at absolute best.
Derpixon is a good example of this. Took 2 years for the 2nd Fandel Tales to come out.

>>8268650
There is only one animation made by an amateur that destroyed the industry and it was not and hentai.
The videos you provided are just high quality loops, they are not even complete episodes. Something like that brings me back to the 90thies when I watched DBZ.
I even noticed some mistakes, like Ichigo nipples in the first frame.

Dunno why you guys are being so defensive. The hentai industry is pretty obviously garbage and has been for a while.
If they can no longer make stuff like Bible Black and Front Innocent what's even the point? Yeah i get to see a sliding jpg tracing of a manga panel cool

>>8269396
Probably boring garbage like Bible Black

>>8273686
>>8273586
Gotta love AIfags pretending the most popular prompter isn't as slop as the most normie hentai artist.
If you don't commit to your grand design, don't even bother using AI. Head to your slop machine at your nearest corner.

>>8302737
Kek, what a hack.
At this rate, he's on the same pace as the guy behind FFSX

>>8270552
This

>>8302737
??? studios already take nearly that time to animate hentai, you think they go do it in one month? in anime they sometimes need to delay the second half like 4 months to keep up even when the studios are fully staffed lol is absolute cope pretendign 1 person doing better quality animation is not mogging the japoanese industry, theres a reason japan starting to fall off to china, they are starting to do their animations themselves and the quality is on pair with the best jp studios

>>8312714
China will destroy hentai

>>8273586
AI is shit, AIfags are retarded

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>>8268650
>Theobrobine
Dude has been putting out some god tier Bleach content, even gave us Futa and pregnant options.

>>8268966
>>8269155
This. The two situations aren't comparable.

>>8268966
>>8269155

Yeah, here is a fifteen minute slideshow. That will surely make us money.

>>8340833
if it costs $20000 to make and you sell 1000 copies for $30, then yes it does make more profit than one that costs $50000 to make and you sell 1000 copies for $50

I mean obviously they keep pumping those out BECAUSE they're more profitable. But it's probably fair to say that you're not the target audience, even if you weren't a pirate.

>>8268650
What's up with it is that's a minute long clip from an animator that probably spent months working on the whole thing only to make high 5 figures a year. It doesn't scale. Not yet at least. With better AI workflows you could probably cut that time down. But models good enough are years away.

>>8340833
>Yeah, here is a fifteen minute slideshow. That will surely make us money.
You say that, but the reality is that it's way more cost effective to release fifteen minute slideshows. A masterfully animated power-hour might sell twice as many blurays, but cost ten times as much to make (and that's a conservative estimate). It just doesn't work.
There's a very good reason the H-anime industry evolved the way it has. It just responds to the market.

Am I the only one who feel like hentai anim decreased in quality ever since the late-2010s?
I truly feel like the industry was peaking during the late-2000s / mid-2010 timeframe. Then it fell on it's face so hard that indie animators are absolutely putting them to shame.

>>8350839
You’re late to the party if you’re just now thinking this.

>5 second animation

Fans are passionate and therefore can make passion projects at their own expense.. its really that simple.

>>8268650
Time and passion.

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>>8341098
nta, but I'm too old to care for decent animation anymore.
Speaking of which, I recently watched pic related and ngl, animation aside, it's pretty darn good.
Any Queen Bee enjoyers can tell me which ones have loli or shota in it? Or recommend me the ones that are worth watching.
The ones I know of are Ichigo chocola flavor, Tsurupeta Shugo Kishi Elfina Ochiru, Imako System, and Futabu part 3 I think?

>>8270552
I'd say the biggest differences between professional studios and personal doujin projects are the number of people the studios gotta pay that don't directly contribute to the creation of the product, like sales, licensing and distribution. In a doujin project, all of that is handled by the people who also create the product so you aren't paying extra people. Also, it's a lot easier to market materials for popular and established characters than it is for all the one-and-done characters that professional studios gotta produce. I sometimes wonder if there wouldn't be a business case for a studio out there who produces a mainstream anime or game character who gets really popular to produce official porn of them, but I suppose that's a tight-rope act because of issues with canon and maintaining the image of the character.

>>8268650
Indie animators made more money through their patreon/fanbox shit so they put in more effort

>>8268650
>indie animators
passion project (and a patreon cashgrab)
>professional hentai
pure cashgrab

>>8268650
It was never about just a porn sequence in hentai, but writing a setting, animating it, voicing it, maybe even have a an OP and ED, character design (most indie guys just do fan art of known girls).

It's just not the same

>>8268650
>I've never seen anything from a hentai studio animated this well.
>this well
>https://x.com/kokoborohen/status/1664283157187928066/video/1
>start playing
>literal 5FPS "animation"
lol

>>8268966
>>8269155
No lies detected.

>>8370437
I think some official hentai is passionate. I think you can tell by the level of animation. But most of it definitely seems to be just filling out a quota.

>>8270509
Maplestar put out like 30 minutes of content last year that's objectively 100x better than any actual hentai
stop defending mediocrity

>>8303271
/Thread
Unless you somehow got more retarded with age like >>8368701 then there's no reason to defend how absolutely shit commercial hentai has gotten across the board.

>>8394749
His latest animation that released a couple days ago is unironically better quality than the majority of hentai that have released in the past couple years.

>>8368816
>people the studios gotta pay that don't directly contribute to the creation of the product, like sales, licensing and distribution
>In a doujin project, all of that is handled by the people who also create the product

My brother in Christ, if ZUN tried producing and distributing 250,000 physical copies of Imperishable Night, he would absolutely hire someone whose JOB was to organize and facilitate distribution contracts. Production at scale is a thing.

The janitor at work isn't related to contacting new potential revenue sources, but you bet your ass things at the company work a lot smoother because the janitor is there to scrub the toilets so coked-up Leo DiCaprio doesn't have to waste time doing it.

>>8394711
It's not a matter of passion. Believe you me, an animator in Japan isn't going into it to get rich, especially not with the slave wages those guys get paid. And I promise you, more than a few animators working on hentai are definitely the same folks who work on mainstream shows (especially since freelancing is such a common thing for animators). The reality of the situation is that the bottom fell out of the industry. Piracy ruined the value proposition of the whole thing, nobody is given the money or time to produce stuff on the level of Resort Boin or Kanojo x Kanojo x Kanojo. And even then, KxKxK ran out of money by the third episode (it's why the third episode is in SD and not HD). If animators in Japan had the endless time and money that someone like Maplestar or Manyakis had, of course they'd make another Koihime or Can Can Bunny Extra. But we live in Hellworld where that kind of money does not exist. It's way easier to just make a softcore adaptation of some sleazy isekai manga like Interspecies Reviewers. You'll probably reach a wider audience, and maybe even have an easier time selling at more retailers.

>>8368701
>Queen Bee enjoyers

I didn't know there's people who enjoy microsoft PowerPoint -tier slideshows?

>>8293855
Kuroinu is garbage praised by retards with bad taste. Bible Black is way more smooth and detailed than OP's pic.

Are there any professional studios one could recommend? The only one that comes to my mind is Lune-Pictures, and maybe Gold Bear because Teruaki.

>>8268650
how much are you paying for it?

>>8268966
the studios don't make a profit either when they release trash, if i remember fact nearly half of all hentai videos don't even make enough money to cover the costs

>>8269963
>>8269155
they put in a fraction of the time into work, for a video half the length, and quality 50x better than a professional hentai studio.
it is far more likely that the studios simply don't give a shit since they're only chasing money

defending these studios is like saying krita > photoshop or libreoffice > microsoft office because the company is professional and can't help but get mogged by hobbyists. no, they get mogged in spite of the scheduling and budgeting because, since it's offset by the employment a multitude of artists full-time, the issue is either bureaucratic inefficiency and/or simple corporate greed

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Solo animators with AI translations is the future.

>>8407817
Sauce pls.

>>8408563
RJ01259078

>>8303696

>He doesn't know

>>8268966
profit? wait someone pays for porn?

>>8408790
you have to be 18 to browse 4chan

>>8409126
wizards don't qualify anymore?