Pool Fun EditionPrevious Thread: >>8280719>LOCAL UIA1111: https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webuiForge: https://github.com/lllyasviel/stable-diffusion-webui-forge | Alternative version (reForge): https://github.com/Panchovix/stable-diffusion-webui-reForgeComfy: https://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUI>LOCAL MODELSPony: https://civitai.com/models/404802 | https://civitai.com/models/288584 | https://civitai.com/models/257749Illustrious: https://civitai.com/models/795765Noob: https://civitai.com/models/833294>PAIDNovelAI: https://rentry.org/hdg-nai-v3NAI API/prompting in A1111: https://github.com/Metachs/sdwebui-nai-api>RESOURCESWiki: https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki | https://comfyanonymous.github.io/ComfyUI_examples | https://openart.ai/workflows/templatesTraining: https://rentry.org/59xed3 | https://github.com/derrian-distro/LoRA_Easy_Training_Scripts | https://github.com/bmaltais/kohya_ss | https://github.com/Nerogar/OneTrainerTags: https://danbooru.donmai.us/wiki_pages/tag_groups | https://danbooru.donmai.us/related_tagControlNet: https://rentry.org/dummycontrolnet | https://civitai.com/models/136070 | https://huggingface.co/2vXpSwA7/iroiro-loraIOPaint (LamaCleaner): https://www.iopaint.com/installUpscalers: https://openmodeldb.infoBooru: https://aibooru.online4chanX Catbox/NAI prompt userscript: https://rentry.org/hdgcbPony-related: https://rentry.org/ponyxl_loras_n_stuff | https://rentry.org/ponyxl_lora_previews | https://lite.framacalc.org/4ttgzvd0rx-a6jfIllustrious-related: https://rentry.org/illustrious_loras_n_stuffUseful Nodes/Extensions: https://rentry.org/8csaevw5OP Template/Logo: https://rentry.org/hdgnew/raw | https://files.catbox.moe/xk99gy.png | https://files.catbox.moe/35bdt5.gif>Related>>>/aco/sdg>>>/g/sdg>>>/g/ldg>>>/d/ddg>>>/e/edg>>>/u/udg>>>/vt/vtai>>>/vg/aids>>>/b/degen>>>/trash/sdg
>>8283184Previous Thread HighlightsTH_24-10-27_-hdg-_a.jpg>https://files.catbox.moe/uvkiaq.jpgTH_24-10-27_-hdg-_b.jpg>https://files.catbox.moe/gn27jt.jpgSPOOKY_24-10-27_-hdg.jpg>https://files.catbox.moe/uhcy1l.jpg
>>8283185dont die
>>8283185KILL YOURSELF
PONY WON
PONY LOST
Now be a good boi and post in my thread :)
noobsisters, how over is it?
>>8283185Made it. :)
>>8283184catbox for op?
>>8283201The civitjeets won. All aboard the ponyfication train
>>8283201just canceled my noob sub and resubbed to nai... it was looking good but they ruined it...
>made it 5 times onto the highlights with 0.75falseflaggers, your response...?
>>8283210given that the highlight schizo has used ayakon's pony gens for every single highlight after noob's release this proves the opposite of what you think it does
You can easily tell the drop in quality of .75 by just comparing these highlights to the last few threads. I came back to it today for another round of placebos. Moving tags around, changing prompt order, samplers, cfg, etc.Nah I'm good. I'll sit on .5
>>8283205>>8283213You won't make it into highlights at this point if you post such garbage
one guy in the cord is saying that the issue is the unfrozen TE. a "workaround" would be using the 0.5 clip on the 0.75 model
I miss catanon's effort gens
>>8283220based off screenshots of discord ive seen in these threads, im not too sure its the best source of useful information
>>8283222thinking the same yeh, but not sure how to load the clip of one model and the rest from another, at least on a1111
Aw shit here we go again with the schizo tests...
>>8283185Oh shit I made it 3 times, but the one I expected to get in didn't lol Not sure how my Mikan gen is spooky though ngl
>>8283209groidposters, our response?
Only high effort gens below this point
no
Can you guys just stop using 0.75 please?
>>8283226box?
stop complaining about 0.75, chuds. they clearly made the right call with training on e621 and i'm excited for 1.0 to be even better!
>>8283237Even though I made a bunch of xy grids and most of them showed improvement, I still can't shake the gut feeling I have that it feels worseWith 0.25 to 0.5 it was like everything felt much better in terms of improvement too
What are some good artist mixes for feet?
Here's a question, anons:Say you're in picrel situation, where you're fucking some girl and she begs you to cream her twat. You don't love her or anything, you're just getting that dick wet. It's a dangerous day. How long till you pull out?
>>8283219dunt care
>>8283236https://files.catbox.moe/ps3vmu.png
>>8283244>picrelwell I already blasted her full idk man I pull out and grab a beer
>>8283244do a 360 and walk away
>>8283244I'm a virgin, how would I know?
>oh my gosh furry tags are so heckin dynamic!ok so when not train an eva large on e621 so then it can just be applied to all of danbooru?
>>8283253First of all, furry tags suck and them being better than danbooru is a meme. Secondly eva doesn't have the generalization capacity for that
>>8283253> furry tags suck and them being better than danbooru is a memewell this is a new spin
I wish the "foot print on sandals" tag came to danbooru. It's a hot detail but it's one of those things I pretty much just have to do in photoshop after the fact
>>8283258They are much more descriptive when it comes to sexual acts and genitals.
>>8283261meant for >>8283261
Holiday ham
Anon was right. Pony has mindfucked the entire community.
Realistically, how much could the taste of someone who prompts for gay bara mario and proudly uploads it to his civit change in two years?
>>8283266where's my ham?
>>8283267horsecock stronk
.75 is a struggle
>>8283265your brain damage is showing
>>8283268gay bara luigi
>>8283273please understand sar i am esl and localkek
>>8283272fuck off to /d/ faggot
>>8283279noobsisters, our response?
>>8283279It says become elden lord. Clearly Marika. Don't expect esl chuds to understand.>>8283280
>>8283268I made that LoRA as a meme>>8283275kek
>>8283281>MarikaThat looks more like Miquella who is a...I think he's a...
Meanwhile jordach is solving the 3 body problem for his illuminaty compute bake
>>8283285No I prompted queen_marika_the_eternal. .75 would never lie to us, anon.
>>8283281post metadata proof or kill yourself you massive homo
>>8283286jordach will save noob
>>8283272my blue cunny wife is better than this massive fag, why did he choose his brother over us tho? a new ending would've been cool
>>8283288https://files.catbox.moe/hnq5pw.png>>8283293Makes no sense, anon. Choosing a jobber over the would be Elden Lord.
>>8283292>>8283297fuck off to /aco/
Noob got better?
>>8283300yes
Now let's see what the Americans think about v0.75
>>8283300maybe
Jordach status?
>>8283300no
so is flux better than pony
>>8283307It will be, in theory, once it gets finetuned on Danbooru
>>8283307yes and it isn't even a question like fighting between pony and illustrious, but only for sfw things as all nsfw was pruned
>>8283309no because gens still take 1 million years and won't even fit on 24 gb vram unless you do autism shit
>>8283300General consensus is that enabling TE training so late in the bake fucked up the model. The sudden flood of new e621 tags nuked the TE.
>>8283307The fundamental question is, will flux be as effective for porn like pony was. And it will be, even more so...But until it is, it's going to be hard to verify that I think I'll be more effective.
>think I finally wrangled .75 through placebo methods>turns out I forgot to switch back to .75 after some light testing on .5Yeah I'm really done now.
>>8283315kek
>>8283185kill yourself
I found that some loras trained on 0.75 work better? on 0.5 vs some models trained on 0.5and vpred loras still work better on the vpred test model
How do I make it to highlights?
>>8283300Her face is so ugly in all these.
>The humiliation of having to put not_furry in your prompt, like it isn't the natural state of things.I wish for total furfag death
>>8283325boxo?
https://files.catbox.moe/wmco7d.png
>>8283328you can instead invoke danbooru knowledge by putting (furry:1.5) in negs
>>8283328>tfw astralite looks like the normal one compared to this bakers with his source_ tags
>>8283332left seems to look better? or at least more defined lines
Ange just said on discord that 0.75v noob is a disaster
>>8283307Just forget about flux for /h/. Once 3.5 medium is finetuned on anime, we will get a true successor to XL.
Local can't never win. Too much retard and grifters.It's not fair. I'm going insane.
https://files.catbox.moe/8zd967.png
>>8283320this was posted in previous thread. lurk more newfag
>>8283336its tragic but astralite is like the only baker that gives a damn about his dataset
>>8283300Only promptlets/taglets complain about 0.75
>>8283331https://files.catbox.moe/qi9kvy.pnghere's one with the navel fixed
>>8283345this but unironicallyevery local baker keeps making incredibly retarded decisions about their dataset for no reason despite being the most important part of baking models by a mile
>>8283340Monsieur, une capturè de la monitór, sil vous plait
>>8283348why don't you bake then mr smarty pants?
>>8283344>go back through 2000 postsNah I'll just post it again
>>8283346>just fuck my uncond up sirs!
>>8283343Cute. Would correct.
>>8283350if you're lending me at least 4xh100 worth of compute sure
>>8283335cute pubes
>>8283351it was posted late in last thread, at worst 500 posts but you can just hide all text posts
>>8282517 (You)>but it's just "1girl, solo" do SEX>>8282547 (You)>but you didn't put quality tag and negativemasterpiece, best quality, very aesthetic, absurdres,worst quality, low quality, lowres, 3dcg, photorealistic,photorealism,realistic,3d>>8282570 (You)>but you are not using style promptasanagi>>8282599 (You)Are those guys paid chills or what?It's looking worst each time.
>>8283355just buy h100 instances from lambdalabs(this message was sponsored by two minute papers)
>>8283360>two minute papersI hate that accent
>>8283228>Not sure how my Mikan gen is spooky though nglMultiple Eyebrows levels were they are not expected is Peak Spooky.
>>8283364kill yourself ia retard
>>8283364Lmao oh right yeah that was a thing, yeah that's fair
>>8283346This, if anything it's becoming better. I actually think they need to do few epochs on e621 only to compensate for early danbooru-only epochs.
Can Jordach still save local?
Someone post a proper comparison pic that shows e621 makes everything piss yellow and shut the faggot furries up on discord already, it's infuriating.
can anyone do an xyz plot with equine penis? how do those look now before i download .75
>>8283347ty
>>8283372why don't you do it yourself you useless faggot?
>>8283328Why don't they just remove furshit from the dataset Nobody wants it
>>8283358What do you recommend we do?
I havent checked these threads in months. Whats new since last spring?
>>8283377Animal fuckers want it.
>>8283349your trooncord screenshots, sir
>>8283380Pony still reigns supreme
>>8283380nai at home
>>8283385emphasis on "at home"
How do I make pretty anime girls with bare feet
>>8283382so noob is just the new pony isnt it, what the fuck are they doing?
>>8283380Pony is still kingIllustrious is a potential Pony killer but is still WIPNoobAI (a finetune of Illustrious) is getting fucked and knotted by a furry dataset
>>8283389Listening to furries
>>8283390furry always ruins everything
Found my new homeHave fun with your burned and blurry slop.
>>8283382Based Angel. Those retards are just bruteforcing bad dataset.
>>8283389>>8283382This is the power of multiple chinese PhD's. Can't even finetune properly without help.
>>8283389just what you'd expect from a team that has been training on a 32xh100 cluster for 3 months and has only been able to produce a slightly better illustrious 0.1 finetune with that compute
is there any way to utilize "ranking" images during training for a lora?So providing manual feedback during training, rating if an image looks more or less like the character for example
>>8283398Your social credit score has plummeted sir
>>8283400often done with validation lossif you want an "interactive" process, no, not intuitively. you could exploit DPO/SPO/MAPO/whatever forks (there's one for kohya), for a similar effect
>>8283383>>8283390still autismmix?
>>8283403I was thinking about how chatgpt provides you with two outputs and asks which is better, they are surely using that to train
>>8283404Any good pony shitmix would do.
I think we can easily clear 2k posts this time around, we have the momentum
>>8283406yeah preference tuning has win/loss pairs, could be that simple. check the sd-scripts MAPO fork by rockerboo?
>>8283404I'm personally fond of Reweik 0.1.2
yeah im going back to 0.5 what the fucki tried hard in good faith but everything i like to prompt sucks in comparison
>>8283411this but I'm sticking with vpred
somebody tell lax that angel thinks his model fucking sucks
>>8283376I don't have access to my GPU right now, or I obviously would retard.
>>8283371After he saves SD 3.5.
>>8283414Someone get angel to tell lax to drop e621 and the faggot furries with it holy shit
>>8283382Post those images from the newer versions of illustrious my good man.
>>8283418it's probably in angel's best interest for noob to suck because that means his company still has the best local anime finetune
>>8283414done
I was excited to train on a fully trained vpred model but it's going to be converted from a yellow sepia furry model now... not like this bros.. things were looking up..
>>8283419just join the touhou ai trooncord and look up angel's posts
Just goes to show you that this place is in the minority when it comes to aesthetic sense and the vast majority of people like and desire the sepia look. There's a reason all the top rated art has a sepia hue.
>>8283423based
I FUCKING HATE FURRIES HOLY FUCKING SHIT REEEEEEE
>>8283426illu v1 anytime soon now
>>8283429how many weeks
>>82834312 weeks
>>828343130-28 weeks
>>828343175 weeks
>>8283382illustrious model lead all but confirms the issue is a fried TE and brainaddled porn addicts still think it's the furry data after it was fine up to that point
>>8283436>illustrious model lead all but confirms the issue is a-ACK
>>8283436if furry was actually a problem then pony wouldnt have been such a good model
>>8283439pony would have been a better model without the furry data
>>8283440proof?
>>8283437yes, the TE is poisoned. model worked perfectly fine up until then; if you passed kindergarten cause and effect you can figure this one out>>8283439pony is a dogshit model that was blasted beyond recognition by a person who has admitted they had no idea what they were doing
>>8283436the furry data definitely fucked with the colors but it doesn't matter anyway since v-pred and ztsnr will fix it, still don't get why they want to finish this eps-pred variant, waste of compute
>>8283446that's a cool opinion but it is one angel disagrees with
>>8283447Vpred is just a conversion from whatever fuck up they end up at when at 100%, it won't fix it If anyone here wants a passable hentai model you better start giving feedback on shitvit or trooncord telling the creators you want furry shit removed from the model. Otherwise enjoy your pissy sepia waste bucket with cartoon lines, these fuck heads already have pony
>>8283296I would've gladly fuck him so hard (no homo)..... what a wasted opportunity. https://files.catbox.moe/65usp4.png
>>8283451luckily that's not how that works, but I might leave feedback later telling them that eps-pred is a waste of compute
>>8283452wrong board faggot
>>8283454that's a woman
>>8283452>>8283456that's both a child and a maleyou /ss/ closet pedo idiots need to kill yourselves
proof?
>>8283459how about you kill YOURself? huh? huh? every think of that, buddy?
>>8283452Would you perhaps have the image with the metadata and be willing to share it?
>>8283459>that's both a child and a maleout of ten!
>>8283459Nah that's too cute to be a guy. It's a questionably aged female at worst. Maybe 17. >>8283452 is pushing it but he's fine.
>>8283459anon have you never seen a woman before?
>>8283453That is how it works and the only people who can't see it are retarded furries. Go look at the kind of gens those furshits think are good before you start believing all the shit that they spew.
:) I'm making furry alt accounts on discord AND Civit to tell lax & co to keep strong and add more e621, you all deserve nothing. Nai should pay me for this service
>>828346910 anals have been added to your rectum
>turn TE training on>"OH NO IT'S FRIED WE'RE FUCKED IT'S OVER"models by nature becomes unstable when you train the TE and you need to turn it off and only train UNet further for the UNet to catch up what the TE learnedthis place it's so unironically full of jeets that don't know shit about finetunes, it's all just yapping and doompostingfucking retarded idiots holy fucking shit
bros.. it's simple. If you're torn about .75 or .50, just ask your magical girl.
>>8283473did jordach write this post 5 months ago?
>>8283473it is over though? you literally can't show me proof it's not over.
>>8283468I don't care about what they gen or say, I make up my own mind about things
>>8283473It's still going to be piss yellow and sepia in the end because no matter what they do the data is tainted with unfitered e621Everyone acting as if it's just the TE yet EVERY SINGLE MODEL THAT USES E621 DATASET ENDS UP WITH YELLOW SEPIA TAINT IT CAN'T BE IGNORED
ok but i do want some kind of aesthetic/retouched e6 dataset (pruning bad pics) because i am a hyper enjoyer and all the hyper and inflation knowledge comes from e6, not boorus. things like pectoral bulge doesn't exists on booru and i hate that fact
>>8283473I'll be here next month to remind everyone that we wasted a year fucking with e621
>>8283483sorry but you're gay
>>8283483>pruning bad picsyou can't train a model with zero pics thoughbeit
>>8283486based and same
>>8283487ok and? i want the broad concept knowledge into the model
<Charname>, barefoot, soles, foot focus, steaming body, toe ring
>>8283490train a lora instead of making them poison the whole model just because you're gay
>have hope >excited for locals future >e621 sabotages any potential once again just fuck me up, fuck the fucking furries. I will literally pay a one time premium to use a local version of a not furry piss stained model at this point. I can't make loras for Saas, which is what I really enjoy. I hate everything so much right now
>>8283492man fuck you nigger
>>8283493Furries wonYou lost
>>8283495the feeling is mutual faggot
I'll probably just kill myself desu
I thought furries had their own model anyways. Why are they infecting other models?
>>8283496I hope they all rot in hell. simple as
>>8283499They can't let anyone else have nice things. Everything has to be able to gen furries. They're the troons of the AI world.
same anon who hadnt used this in months. updated and now it spits out random shit or 3d model looking crap with autismxl
why e6 dataset is muh bad but when angel used it to bake is now good? literally all of e6 is there, do i need to remind you illust 2.0 has 20m dataset? e6 is definitely in there
>>8283508it literally isn't, retard
>>8283508>illust 2.0Why are you assuming any versions of Illust other than 0.1 is going to be released.
Isn't it telling that NAI was smart enough to split their furry model and anime model into two different models, but local bakers still want to try to do both in one model.Why is local absolutely retarded?
>>8283491Kino
saw some evidence that you can undo potential fuckery to 0.75 by just using it with 0.5's text encoder
>>8283498I'm sincerely considering it too, not even joking. I don't have a lot to live for. My life was already going no where. This is my only hobby/focus right now and I honestly had my hopes up. Seeing it infested with furries is just an extra kick in the teeth. I'm tired. I hate them so much it's unreal. There is no reason they need this model too. Whoever showed them all noob deserves to be castrated
>>8283509oh so did he used half of pixiv or what? if danbooru is around 8m, where does the rest of 12m comes from? rule34? you cant be serious
>>8283382So how is Illustrious, with a fraction of the compute of noob, outperforming noob massively? What are lax/euge doing with the dataset? This epoch is supposed to be "75% done" of the finished model, yet is sure doesn't feel that way.
>>8283517synthetic ponyslop and hot melted 1.5 pussy
>>8283515It only helps the color a little, it can't undo the damage of extra te training on pisspuddle e621
>>8283510i did not said it was going to be released but obviously illust 2.0 is far far superior from what we have available and yes it will never release
>>8283517Millions upon millions of AI generated images were added to the dataset
>>8283517https://huggingface.co/AngelBottomlesshis dataset parquets are on HF you retard, he used shit like figure photography, anime screencaps, pixiv scrapes, and images from other boards that aren't present on danbooru
>>8283521it's being commissioned for the perverts that run squid game and they're not sharing
we are not ok.
>>8283523it doesnt let me enter the repo but okay
>>8283491>>82835140.75 is working fine as usual.
After looking over the comparison images last thread I can tell that 0.5 and 0.75 are different in some way. Luckily I'm too stupid to really comprehend what the difference is, and they just look like alternate gens to me, so I can happily just keep using whatever
>>8283516Don't forget to take a couple of your enemies with you. Just killing yourself is a waste!
>>8283463here you go anon, have fun with him https://files.catbox.moe/s0wdbc.png>>8283474lovely gens, magicalgirl anon
>>8283532I'm not even into feet, but clearly something is fucked with anatomy with v0.75.
>>8283536Thanks, I'm going to put a bunch of huge dicks on his face.
>>8283538Not to belittle the rest of the work on an amazing pic with random side comments, but the armpit on that boy is quite nice
>>8283537thats what happens when you include furry dataset where the feet have paws and hooves and other /aco/ shit
>>8283491https://files.catbox.moe/jxuavd.png
>>8283536shinobox?
>>8283539Based>>8283544Maybe tomorrow anon, I already turned off my pc.
>>8283542novelai furry works just fine, but everyone forgot it exists in their quest to get mad at furries instead of fixing their dogshit model
>>8283555so true fellow fursissy!
>>8283555thats a bit of an unfair comparison because of how far ahead novel ai is from local in every single aspect
>>8283557novelAI is *literally* just SDXL with training that isn't complete shit. they even wrote a paper.we can keep being retarded or push for doing things that won't nuke the fucking closest thing we have to a local version (STOP TRAINING THE FUCKING TEXT ENCODERS)
>>8283555what the fuck does novelai's furry model have to do with anythingthe point is that they didn't include e621 garbage in their anime model
>>8283558but did nai train the text encoder?
>>8283558>the fucking closest thing we have to a local version illustrious 0.1? also nai3 trained the tenc chud
>>8283560their furry model looks fine and isn't fried sepiaslop which deboonks the retarded idea that e621 is somehow mysteriously more yellow than danbooru. i think noob 0.5 already got the good genital knowledge out of e621 tbdesu and they should just back off of the dataset and continue it on anime only, though.
im so tired of extra fingers
>>8283555huh, almost like v-pred + ztsnr fixes everything or something
>>8283536Cute kindly empyrean. Surely Miyazaki wouldn't pigeonhole us into only one ending.
>>8283563nai v1 didn't train the encoder, nai v2 didn't train the encoder, why the hell would v3 train them? they even went out of their way to specifically point out that they trained the VAE, but said nothing about the text encoder. they didn't train them, cope harder
are there any artists with style similar to this https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/7298769
>>8283571>nai v2 didn't train the encodersource? and they didn't say shit about their dataset preparation either, is that proof that they used raw danbooru with no modifications?
what's he doing
>>8283564nai furry still looks like shit most of the time desu but it's hard to say for sure what it would look like if they didn't make it fucking impossible to control the artstyle
Could anyone tell me how to stop getting transparent squares on a character's face if I use a VAE? I'm using pony in reforge
>>8283272box?!
>>8283581sounds like that's adetailer's issue.
>>8283578i mean yeah the gens I saw from it looked pretty underwhelming since you don't have granular style control but my point is that putting furry art in your dataset doesn't mystically make it turn into the dogshit that was pony
>>8283581higher mask blur
>>8283582it's gay shit
>>8283586just remove the gay tags, my bro
>>8283580damn. nice thigh sexo
https://files.catbox.moe/aridnq.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/iky2uy.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/ess6cu.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/e2i3vw.png
it's pony
>>8283555The novelai furry model is fried to absolute shit.
>>8283518inevitably happens when you combine first mile of mindbroken western local script kiddies with last mile of obnoxious qqchat chinamenPhDs aren't all equal
>>8283595am i supposed to give a based to loli images even if they are pony?
Are Dynamic Prompts/wildcards working for anyone else on latest version of forge or is this a me problem? Not sure if I did something to somehow make it stop working or if a forge update broke it.
>>8283598It's gen with illustrious and refined with pony.https://files.catbox.moe/z3058t.png
I wish cat anon would save this thread
LAX has confirmed that he believes the tenc training was necessary to accelerate the learning of new concepts not present in Illustrious and that they will continue the training from 0.75.
>euge's discord is also infested with furryfagsit never even began
>>8283237e621 dataset is trashe621 tags are good(mental illness inhibits your ability to draw)one day someone will completely retag all of danbooru with tags suited for ai, one day
well im getting good use out of noob's e621 tags, album is yami tentacles in yukikaze outfithttps://catbox.moe/c/q7v6lr
i genuinely cannot tell if LAX is a retard or a savant (not helped by language barrier) and it is terrifying
ok so i did some simple prompt tests that noob failed vs an illustrious shitmix last thread>>>8282801>>>8282755>>>8282733then i saw someone post good versions of my exact prompts on the civit page, so i said OK maybe I was just prompting wrong and tried it again with their parameters. noob is still worsewhat's going on?
>>8283615as always it is the /d/ fags that advocate for e621 tags
>>8283619man tentacles are original anime exposure, much older than /d/
>>8283237I have not seen a single image that demonstrated that 0.75 is an improvement from 0.5 in terms of concepts learned since apparently the TE was unfrozen.
>>8283583It's more noticeable when using adetailer, yeah, but it's also there without it.
>>8283619>tentacles>in /ddg/Was about to tell you that such thing almost never happens but, after checking, it is indeed there. You lucked out this time.
>>8283581you are always using a vae you dingus it's what turns the latents into an actual pixel space image
>>8283624i typically avoid it since it's all futa slop all day, but i decided to throw them a bone this time
>>8283621stop spreading misinformation, chud. key concepts such as smegma and horse dicks are much stronger on 0.75! in fact, they should train some epochs on the e621 dataset only to make concepts like that even stronger.
>>8283618i think noob looks better in this case
>>8283626Man, the schedule thing confused me lol. Anyways, what I'm saying is that iff I use anything other than automatic in the schedule I get squares, but choosing it gives me pale colors
>>8283593very based
>>8283627Quite brave of you. Don't think they will appreciate it tho. Kinda sad really:>>8281164In a better timeline, /ddg/ would be doing all sorts of non-euclidean art (like the CGs posted in the /d/ humor threads of old) instead of futa slop to the exclusion of everything else.
>>8283638Surprised that Mikan gen of mine didn't make it into spooky highlights and my multiple eyebrow one did lmao, some real fucking Uzumaki shit right there
ok i can't ignore it, my meme lora is not just a small effect on 0.75's gen quality, it's often a major upgrade. xys coming soon. a good dedicated aesthetic tune would be absolutely incredible. my lora is just a locon extraction, maybe i should upload the full checkpoint to civitai and pass it off as an incredibly aesthetic meme mix meanwhile this shit is in the dataset
>>8283642nobody cares
all this furfag complaining remind me back of the old easyfluff + hll days
>>8283642i care, thank you for providing updates
>>8283642
The more I read Arti discord, the less hope I have for the success of that project. 32xh100 for few months just to finetune illustrious with Epsilon pred? This is level of dumb worse than Jordach or Neggles
>>8283647owait, the right pic is actually base noob 0.5 kek
> Lora mixing and find a nice style.> Gen hundreds of images with wildcards.> Keep the best ones.> Bake a lora using those gens.Surprisingly effective for styles and concepts, more-so than just the original dataset alone.Pic unrelated.
>>8283618I don't know what silvermoon is, but it certainly looks like it has a heavy innate style (she looks drenched is sweat because of how shiny her skin is). Left looks closer to the flatness of ojipon and what you're prompting. But yeah, the gun is not as consistent in noob.
>>8283642you trained it on 0.5, right? would you be up for retraining it on 0.75 and testing if it has a different effect?
>>828365032xh100 for 3 months is literally almost as much compute than nai3 used btw
>>8283653 (me)Meant right looks closer to the flatness.
>>8283651this is the base noob 0.75 gen, this instance was a pretty marked regression>>8283655i already retrained 2.0 on 0.75 which is shown on the left in >>8283647, and ill train 2.1 when i go to bed for both 0.5 and 0.75
>>8283659>i already retrained 2.0 on 0.75I see. I guess it might be like base illustrious where you could stabilize the output by using a lora
maybe lax really did get an offer from kurumuz he can't refuse
bros.. s-should I?
>>8283656They were using 8xH100s until 0.5 dropped though
cat sex
>>8283647Left is horrendous tbhfam. But this >>8283659 is also worse than right.
why when nai bakes with e6 the model is fine but when local does it, it comes out literal sepia dogshit? what the fuck dude why is local so illiterate
realistically, they could've just left all e621 data in, but just tag it as worst quality and sepiajust neg them out (sepia neg works already) and you have anime model that knows all degenerate nsfw sex concepts
>>8283671machine learning is my passion
>>8283670Do we know if NAI decided to mix both datasets into one model?
>>8283661yeah, mine seems to fix contrast in some cases, and when it does colors follow. not all prompts trigger getting washed out, in fact many of my own dont get washed out on base noob and nobody seems to post /h/ material on civitai for me to try outit also biases the gens towards higher high-frequency content.if i had to try and make an aesthetic finetune, id start with the high contrast dynamic poses sleek n tears images in my dataset, then figure out some wider shot compositions to balance them, and maybe some pixiv toplist content
>>8283672genuinely, does that suggestion sound unreasonable?
>>8283671Worst quality I disagree with, wouldn't images of comparable 'best quality' be compared to worst quality as collateral damage?
>>8283673they didn't, they don't use eps-pred however
>>8283676That's to say not all of e621 is dogshit
>>8283676e621 is worst quality aesthetically by definition
>>8283679>worst quality aesthetically>highest quality taggingwhat a monkey's paw
>>8283030Box pls
fucking cow
I have lost the last remaining bit of hope on local bakers that I didn't even know I still had. Somebody leak nai3 please...
>>8283687>leakpiss goes on /d/
actually i have a feeling an itercomp merge with 0.75 would be pretty sweet, but it's too late to toy with that, gnight
NAI shills are getting way too uppity lately
>>8283203>>8283184secondedthis is a really good Mignon gen
>>8283693so true ponysister!
>>8283586I'm straight, and this makes my dick hard.Therefore, it's not gay, faggot>>8283272Box please
>>8283693Kurumuz must've been really rattled by the chinks judging by the endless smear campaign itt
>>8283291Box?Is this mostly RNG?
>>8283698i would be shaking in my boots if i was kurumuz right now seeing how noob will be able to do all the sexy concepts that nai3 couldn't do like smegma and rusty trombone
>>8283703You'll never understand how sad I am that we still can't gen karochii's doujin Kokkoro
>>8283700me neighbour's wife loves her some o that old willy cheese
>>8283705spoiler that shit dude
>>8283706the /d/ification of /h/ should be studied
>>8283682Cowbox please?
>>8283691someone already did ithttps://civitai.com/models/895164/noobai-epsilon-05075-rotate-itercomp
>>8283708https://files.catbox.moe/4739ey.png
>>8283711Thanks.
>>8283587https://files.catbox.moe/n6btdm.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/jkqnek.jpg
Be meSees people shitting on 0.75Been working on some gens with 0.5, but the concept I want is kinda rngTry 0.75mfw when it does a much better jobWhat the fuck were the Eurobros on about?
>>8283718most reddit post i've seen in months
>>8283705hot, box?
>>8283724just a variation of the cowbox from earlier but here you are sir https://files.catbox.moe/9rtn7n.png
>>8283718mfw when a base model cant gen best quality stuff from just 2 word promptspeople have become stupid cus of pony,
>>8283729redeem a bullet to your head upscaleanon sir
I replaced the Noob0.75 Clip by the one from v0.5.From my test, I don't think it's better than v0.5
>>8283697marikabox here >>8283296 big guy.
>>8283734What is being compared here anon, all the gens look vastly different from each other lmao
>>8283703BOX!!! please
>>8283735Based swimsuit anon
>>8283740Box?
>>8283736Nothing, just a stupid "1girl, solo" to check what is the default output by the model.
"Lina kicks off her boots and relaxes at the tavern with you after a day of difficult questing."(Trying to get the toes perfect is so hard. I'm still not 100% happy with this.)
>>8283727thanks sar
>>8283734well this certainly confirms that the mustard gas is caused by te
Lax for a brief second considered not including e621 in the te but the furfags jumped on him It's fucking over. I quit, I'm getting a new hobby fuck AI wasted over a year of my life on this stupid shit
>>8283746>In the te train*
>>8283741https://files.catbox.moe/xkrrvl.png
>>8283746it's so over
This general is a shadow of it's former self, discarded and forgotten for other better AI generals. Telling someone to kill themselves only brings temporary satisfaction but there's nothing more gratifying than seeing you implode and shit up the general so much that it becomes unusable and you stop enjoying what you like. Just take a look at the post count. 390 posts and only 73 images. Nobody comes here to discuss or post gens. This is the place where you come to talk shit when you're bored.ps. no model is better than learning how to draw and nobody likes you outside of these boards, so go ahead and pull the trigger make the world a better place
>>8283746>Lax for a brief second considered not including e621 in the te but the furfags jumped on him Screenshot..... onegai......
>>8283746big if true
>>8283750didn't read
Never done a lora, but i'm willing to do one for my literal who wife, what should i know?
>>8283754read the op or google
>>8283750I still enjoy AI, sis. This general is far from the only place to post slop and have fun. It's true that hdg became a place to talk shit, but it's alright :)
>>8283754There are like a million guides, but my first question would be how many good images are there of her
>>8283751NTA & not gonna bother screenshotting more because there's like 5 convos going on at that time. I realized seeing them swarm I honestly do hate furries now lmao
Is there a reason he can't make multiple versions or it'll cost more?
>>8283757>This general is far from the only place to post slop and have funThat's the whole point, retard. Stop shitting other threads with your schizos, keep them here and stay miserable
>>8283652b-box...
>>8283761threads? every other ai general on this website is even worse than this one. some discords are good though ;)
>>8283759some good idea was filtering out e6 dataset and prune utter garbage pics like deviantart tier, that would left the e6 dataset with more or less 2m images that are actually not bad while it adds degenerate porn knowledge to the model, it would be the right thing to do and that is basically the only possible way where e6 dataset could be useful for the model
>>8283466since when do women have penis? retard
>>8283763the issue is with whole 4chan, not just ai threadsunironically it's getting so bad that fucking off to trooncords and whatever else there is does not sound that bad. every fucking general and thread is plagued by some sort of wiper or poopdickschizo and endless shitposting
>>8283767well, what are you still doing here then?
>>8283765i asked lax, the dataset is indeed filtered, its the te the whole goal of this training was to add knowledge, 1.0 will be the model with quality
>>8283768i am the poopdickschizo
>>8283203>>8283694https://files.catbox.moe/tul8im.pngit's noob 0.5
>>8283770The only way to make the model quality is to remove e621 entirely, it's a fucking mistake and now the shit encrusted furfags have come to claim the model like flies to a turd
>>8283770anime is saved
E621 is like the epitome of what is wrong with western "aesthetic" and including it in an eastern art fine-tune was a blatant mistake. Whoever convinced them to use it should hang.
>>8283773What's wrong with e621? I think they should continue training with it, all knowledge is good knowledge.
>>8283773yeah ponytards are mistake, but there is actually no problem in the training like how some people here are claiming and that was indeed the goal. people with bad prompting will always find problems like how the fuck are you people comparing model with just 2 tags only?tho e6 will be there its the filtered high quality dataset not all of it, so 1.0 will be better
NAI is still king
>>8283770hmmmm well then there's a possibility it's not over for ususually when you train the te in a finetune, the model scares the shit out of itself and the te learns generally way faster than the unet, some signs of this are for example, artists getting giga fried or becoming very blurry when you prompt for them, the sepia could be a side effect of it too.it usually gets fixed quickly but only when you either reduce the te lr or do a unet only pass so the unet can catch up, so yeah 50/50 it may not be so over if lax filtered out garbage
>>8283779always has been
>>8283778kill yourself upscaleanon
sigh back to autismmix
there's a reason Nai made a seperate furry model and didn't combine it with anime also holy fuck furfags are colorblind as fuck, they legitimately think their furry 1.5 models aren't stained in piss yellow. even posting gens as proof that are literally yellow hued across the board. I would laugh if this wasn't our future. someone needs to take one for the team and become an undercover furfag, then piss off lax and co so immensely he doesn't want to appeal to furshitters ever again. I'd do it but I don't think I could even pretend to be a furshitter without shooting myself in the face point blank.
>>8283785I think it would work out great if they keep TE frozen and just convert 0.5 to vpred and keep training from there. Both 0.5 and test vpred were fine and e6 does help with genitals and some degeneracy without hurting the model too much otherwise
>>8283785Just wait for v7, trust the plan
>>8283779This, but unironically. Imagine thinking a local module comes even close to an AI model developed by a company and backed up with investors. Some people here have too much ego. Know your place.
>>8283780he did filter it out, its just your usual ponyturd echo chamber gaslighting themselves into thinking its the model fault. as far as they know its the TE being stupid that all and it will fix with further training, infact its starting to fix in recent checkpoints
>>8283630>>8283776You are overdoing it, kurumuz doesn't hate localkeks THAT much.
usuals talking about things they don't understand againfurry art doesn't cause sepia. furry art is bad, but sepia is a naturally occurring pattern in SDXL:https://huggingface.co/blog/TimothyAlexisVass/explaining-the-sdxl-latent-space#a-probable-reason-why-the-sdxl-color-range-is-biased-towards-yellowYou dumb motherfuckers, you actual mouthbreathing retards.Stay the fuck away from model trainers who actually know what they're doing because you lot are just gonna make things worse.Yes, all of you. You posturing dumbasses trying to get a word in so you can claim a portion of actual bakers success as somehow relevant to your own interference.I'm sure our usual cast of mentally inhibited (not)bakers will once again bemoan a lack of compute as they firmly ram another thumb up their asses.
>>8283790nah that's a very poor kurumuz imitation but definitely not because of the amount of local hate. have you even seen the way he talks about local bakers?
>>8283792Wouldn't that mean that 1.5 also had the color range bias?
>>8283792>Stay the fuck away from model trainers who actually know what they're doingindeed
>>8283789All I see is noob being limited by a base model. They should drop illustrious and actually finetune their own model. They already used like 5x+ times the compute of 0.1v
>>8283792why does fluffyrock and similar shit also have this bias and yet nai anime models don't?
>>8283792why are you bringing up something literally everybody knows as if it was a revelation? are you stupid?
>>8283703armpit too sweaty
>>8283800Stop asking questions dumb chud, you're not smart enough to be worthy of an answer
>>8283799i too asked about it, and no it wont happen, noobai is not confident about it and is going the safe route.
>>8283792Don't shit yourself from all that anger, animal fucker.Nevermind, forgot you are wearing a diaper.
>>8283800Might be something to do with the VAE? If that's the case then there are only gains to be made from including the e621 set. I'll talk to LAX about it and get his opinion on it
sepia i guess is the problem with sdxl, since cosxl was released to fix issues including that.
>>8283809yes that's why we've all been screaming at lax for the past 2 weeks to focus on the vpred conversion
>>8283717Left hand looks like it's the backside of the hand. This is very obvious when you compare the lower part of the thumb to the other hand's thumb
>>8283810i know, but i also know about why they wont focus on vpred.
>sdxl doesnt suffers from sepia>cuz SDXL ITS SEPIA ITSELFholy fucking shit, biggest anime plot twist ever, how the turns have table
>>8283809Please understand, they only have 32xh100. Let them finetune in peace
>>8283813have you been in a coma for the past 14 months?
who can spot the best girl?
>>8283816green bow
>>8283812...why?
>>8283814i am actually against disturbing them , just telling sdxl has that issue its not dataset
>>8283731That's not me, I never use "cus", reddit spacing, "mfw" or lack of apostrophe in "can't".
>it wasnt e6s fault, sdxl is just shit as it isliteral living proof that you guys NEED a reason to fight and doompost over anything, always, no matter what
>>8283822next you should learn about the fallacy of assuming monocausality
>>8283818
>>8283811actively maldinghttps://files.catbox.moe/ub9ye9.jpg
>>8283824>>8283813>>8283792Where is the sepia in illustrious? It's eps-pred trained on sdxl.
>>8283824imagine being this stupid
>>8283829read the article, you can correct away from it by shifting the entire color range but this is more of a hackthis is why different solutions popped up, like vpred
>>8283831that doesnt say anything against his point
>>8283832it is hard for "people" under 100 iq to understand that effects can have more than one cause
>>8283833Why do you talk about yourself in the third person?
>>8283833yes and if e621 is part of the cause and perhaps the tipping point, while training on normal danbooru doesnt cause thismaybe you should listen to your own words
>>8283833there are major causes, and the major cause of sepia here is sdxl itself. noone said its the "only" cause...
Can someone explain to me the fuckery that is happening with the Noob bakers? I get danbooru and e6 but they both have varying tags and datasets. Wouldn't prompting an e6 tag naturally bring out an output that's more in line with e6 rather than danbooru?
>>8283836illu wasn't trained the same way as noobyou're conflating them for some reason
It's PEONY
>>8283837>the major cause of sepia here is sdxl itselfif this was the case illustrious would have the same problems with color range pony has, and that's not true
base illustrious still has the shit colors and dynamic range even if it isn't sepiad, only v-pred can fix this
>>8283842nobody contests this
>>8283828High effort kingHow much photoshop? Just the dick ruler?
>>8283843can you not read?
Does "high effort" automatically make a gen good?
>>8283845can you?
Well, at least pony is finally dethroned as the furry model...
>>8283839there is nothing in the report for illustrious that indicates they did anything to fix any color biasnoob likely did nothing to fix the color biasillustrious trained on danbooru/gelbooru whatever onlynoob trained on e621 in addition to danbooru and gelbooruillustrious has decent colors by defaultnoob colors are starting to shifttherefore i think its reasonable to conclude that e621 could have something to do with it
>>8283848Furries actually didn't use it that often. It's a clop and general degeneracy model, not really a furry model.
>>8283849based basic logic understander
>>8283849Animagine had fine colors too, right?
>>8283853it still looked like 1.5 but yeaharti was also fine
>>8283849You weren't supposed to use your brain...
Personally I'm happy to have a pony tier model with artist tags.
>>8283853Yeah most XL models are alright sepia color-wise so not sure what that anon is smoking
>>8283854>it still looked like 1.5 but yeahthat's because they included aomslop in dataset
>>8283858so did sd3.5 apparently
>>8283859of course they did, it's lykon
Sooo what the fuck are they going to do with the 512 H100s if they get to use them? Train SD 3.5?
>>8283862from lax's recent comments it seems like he doesn't even care about the 512xh100 anymore so who knows
>>8283862probably
How do I disable this popup altogether after clicking Interrupt?
>>8283846break it up by features:loliseibaexceeding max value on a gradation/ruler so you feel absolutely hugestomach bulge for hugerfull-face blushface mask, pulled aside yet still covering eyes out of shamesquish/nipple playoiled skincute on-brand navel piercingwedding ringpanties aside very strongly implied sexclenched teeth yet hearts
>>8283865Setting, enter interrupt in search bar and unclick popup.
>>8283867Thanks
where is naishill, I miss their gens :(
>check sdg>it's full of 0.75 furry gens K E KEK
can i use the latest forge (not reforge) to gen with noob or nah
>>8283874No, I forbid you
>>8283874ya
>>8283875Based stern anon.
>>8283392Based effortposter making gold twice in a row
>>8283871I got you, bro.
Take off your clothes anon
>>8283866It's just that I feel like most of his gens look really... over-produced? Of course, it's better than most of the slop we see, but I just feel like people feel compelled to praise the gens without actually liking them much just because pics took more time on inpainting and editing than usual. Might be just me though.
where is noodleschizo, I miss their gens :(
>>8283880i like how without meta there's absolutely no indication that this is Nadeko's pussy, but knowing that makes it hotter
>>8283881b-but I'm white...
>>8283872At least we'll see furry gens with better aesthetic. :)
>furry>>>>>>>>>>>aesthetic
>>8283882if you're a peach person and someone hands you a plum, no amount of convincing is gonna change your mindif the result doesn't look good to you, you don't need to justify that position or anythinghopefully you find stuff you do like
Do NOT google conjoined penis
>>8283382GAHAHAHA OUR ANGEL HAS SPOKEN
>>8283889Yeah I enjoy genning, and it wasn't an attempt to shit on his gens
>>8283890Now do Blaze
Guys I'm working on a game with AI images. I was planning to register an account on ci-en but found out they haven't lifted the AI ban from last year.So between Fantia and Pixiv Fanbox which one should I go with instead? Patreon not considered due to their no loli rule. Not looking to charge for subs just wanting to be able to share monthly progress.
>>8283897You have to censor your shit on fanbox (or do some tricks with not loading uncensored porn on fanbox directly)
>>8283899Yeah but that's the case for all JP sites unfortunately. Do you have recommended alternatives?
>>8283880I kneel>>8283884Very true
>>8283902You can try subscribestar.Most of the fanbox artists I follow just do the trick part - mainly by uploading password-protected zips into 'cord or some other shit and sending passwords as newsletters.
>>8283894
>>8283897If your AI is good enough, you can just not tell anyone. Gone are the days when AI was easily distinguishable from hand-drawn art. (Unless you suffer from Skill Issue Syndrome... Many such cases)
Have the chuds finished baking my furry model yet? I'm waiting to gen my anal vore inflation picshttps://files.catbox.moe/8eht3v.jpg
>>8283905Based
>>8283891(((they))) are after me now, thanks anon
>>8283908>https://files.catbox.moe/8eht3v.jpg>this is what most of e621 is like
>>8283908Just use pony
>>8283913So true bro, if only I'd looked deeper for the quality postshttps://files.catbox.moe/y2u3xc.jpg
Wow bros 0.75 is just so much better than 0.5!https://litter.catbox.moe/shiqw0.png
>>8283918That's exactly what I was trying to say, bro
>>8283918Wait... they trained on THAT? For what fucking reason???
>>8283910Have some more bwo
Hey guys, /sdg/ here. Noobai looks very promising, especially the last release, but is it true that they didn't remove csam materials from the model? Someone mentioned that on sdg and it was hard to believe. Anyone knows? I'd avoid using a model with this stuff included.
>>8283924You should work on your baiting technique, bubby
>>8283920even something as simple as the blush got worse
>>8283923>that armpit pussy
>>8283927just train a blush a lora? hello?
>>8283920proof that furry are mentally illnot a single pictures here is worth keeping, you have to wonder what kind of brain draw this and is proud enough of it to post it
>>8283923>>8283905Catbox? I can never get a girl looking at a cock horizontally like that.
How do people end up attracted to animals?
hmm
LAX posted furry on the cord of his own will, it's joever...
I kinda dislike what 0.75 did to the colors - I prefered them on 0.5. Anons genning with 0.75, do you use any tags to combat this? Should I just stay with 0.5 for now?
>>8283938left clears
>>8283941https://litter.catbox.moe/ivw8n1.PNG>there's not much of a differenceLAX is fucking blindhttps://files.catbox.moe/doxpwt.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/xt8wtf.png>shading is noticeably worse>lighting is flatter>worse textures on clothes
>>8283942Right colors pops out more
>>8283947Right has weird object permanence issues with the pussy juice trail
Illustrious, 0.5, 0.75https://litter.catbox.moe/gpki2b.pngpresented without comment
>>8283947Miqobros we're back
>>8283950>turns into a furry in 1.0
>>8283949panties are fucked too
>>8283946grim reminder to never trust china
>>8283950grim...
>>8283946Anon... Have you even played Witch on the Holy Night? I chose Alice because she's a departure from the typical anime eyes and the shading in the novel is flat yet detailed in a modern way at the same time. I judged based on how close Alice's face was to the game's rendition of her. The details on her clothes are just gonna be "good enough" until an architecture that can't only comprehend the world through squinted eyes comes out.
>>8283956Did you even read his post?
>>8283957No, why should I?
>>8283957Yeah, and I pointed out that "it's meant to be that way"
>>8283382You know, this would actually hold some value if the faggot released the newer models. As it stands it just reads like obnoxious, arrogant blueballing.>HAHA YOU PLEBS' SHITMIXES ARE SO SHIT, LOOK HOW GOOD MY PRIVATE MODELS I PROMISED TO RELEASE BUT NEVER DID ARE!!!
>>8283962cope smegma lover
>>8283946I don't see any difference, including what you described.t. totally not LAX (not bluvoll either)
>>8283699https://files.catbox.moe/ft243l.png
Getting this pose was surprisingly difficult.
>>8283766anon... i..
>>8283296>>8283293>>8283452There 100% should have been a Consort of Miquella ending. I'm still pissed that the DLC didn't add a single new ending.
>>8283962>you hate him>he's still rightsucks don't it?
>>8283938box left please? nice style
>>8283984Anon, how did you make an image with what I assume are four different characters like this? Is it latent couple or something?Please teach me.
>>8283984I look like this
>>8283987It's a troll that posts non-AI pics. Don't bother.
>>8283984Me on the right (the random leg out of frame)
>>8283989Box?
>>8283987No latent couple, I just prompted their nameshttps://files.catbox.moe/wzgq04.png
>>8283992It's nai
Ponybros...
>>8283992I really hope this is a samefag and no one actually wants the box for uncanny /aco/ AOM slop
Ponytroons on suicide watch
e621太丑了恶心
>>8283919PLEASE SIRBOX
>>8283996catbox? nice
>>8284001based chinkI wonder what Euge is thinking, he hasn't been posting for a couple of days
>>8283993Thanks anon.
>>8284001Kek.>>8284004Euge has exams.
>>8283984The /u/ thread could use your help.
>>8284007You need help breaking girls' hands? /u/ is so cruel.
>>8284008>/u/ is so cruelyou have no idea
>>8284010Make a Lesbian Conversion Diffusion General
>>8284008NTA, but it's really nice reading your bitter posts when someone else gets praised and you don't. You must be seething.Keep it up, it's great content, and probably better than your gens, anyway!
>>8284002https://files.catbox.moe/jguuve.png
>>8283999do you know what a joke is or are you just permanently seething
>>8284016noyes
>>8284012Wow, so mad shitty unfixed gen gets called out for what it is. Do you feel empathy towards it because yours look just like that?
>>8284012Reddit spacing
>try out new trendy modelfeels like 2 steps forward, 3 steps backwards
>>8284023>2 steps forward?Artist knowledge didn't improve much, and some even got worse.It knows some new characters but training a character lora takes like 20 mins at best.
i keep looking for new artists but i have found that 99% are complete and utter hacks
>>8284039it's much better at kungfu panda inflation, chud
>>8284039you can do scat and anal prolapse nowenjoy
>everyone that ran their own comparisons have seen 0.75 is better>all the posts saying it's worse and shitposting don't have any images attachedso who is falseflagging and trying to kill this model now that local has finally surpassed all other models?
>>8284044I've been posting my own comparisons, with 0.75 looking worse>so who is falseflagging(You) are
>>8284044Yiff in hell, faggot
>>8284044>who is falseflagging and trying to kill this modelNobody, it's furries that genuinely want to turn noob into pony with artist tags.
I am very sorrybut the idea tickled my brain and I had to see if it could be donehttps://files.catbox.moe/ng97cu.jpg
>>8284044there's obviously some good things about 0.75 but the things that are bad about it are way more concerning
>>8284039>Artist knowledge didn't improve much, and some even got worse.oh fuck no lmao. half of the time you had to tard rangle with finetunes or use shitty hashed tags because this diaper furry pony faggot had this self entitled sense of morality. had to use color correction addons and the contrast was way more shit.I said 2 steps forward 3 steps backwards but I mean 1 step backwards.
>>8284049>jpggive us the prompt. I want to see what your dumb slut brain did to make this happen.
>>8284054its inpainting
https://files.catbox.moe/jfcmq7.png
>>8284045where?
Does anyone still use latent scaling or was it a meme?
>>8284049Based. Now I need to try and see if you can make her detached arm do sexual stuff as well while she watches embarrassed
>>8284066If you like fingers turning into penises
>>8284059>huge fat ugly obese manglad to see you moved on from sex machines
>>8284070uhm...
>>8284070>sex machineswhat do you think fat ugly obese men are
>>8284065Box?
>>8284075https://files.catbox.moe/asz5u2.png
>>8284072t. James Brown
>furries and jeets running damage control in the civit comment section>angel says it's fucked>lax says it's fucked>everyone with working eyes says it's fucked>yet they insist that it's just user error and improved over .5 in every way imaginable
(masterpiece), (best quality), (ultra-detailed),film grain, beautiful color, amazing quality, very aesthetic, illustration, absurdres, newest, perfect composition, intricate details, shiny skin, realistic, cel shading,photorealistic,chromatic aberration,BREAKdynamic pose, perspective, horror (theme), limited palette, x-shaped pupils, high contrast, color contrast, cold colors, arlecchino (genshin impact), black theme, gritty, graphite (medium), black hands, long hair, big breast, pointy nipple, puffy nipples,
>>8284080>>lax says it's fuckedis this true? if that's the case that's the only thing that matters and we're good
>>8284079I look like this
>>8284085We know
>>8284080we need jordach opinion tooand do the opposite
>>8284087jordach would suggest training on 1.5 so i think we're already doing the opposite of that
>>8284084He acknowledged the shortcomings of this epoch but chalked it up to the TE training and says that the model is currently in a local minimum. He hopes that it'll fix itself and get out of the minimum, now that the TE is frozen again for the rest of the training.
>>8284089Jordach is busy finding the missing link between machine learning and astronomy
>>8284092He's barking up the wrong tree, what he really wants is astrology
0.75 is bad?
>>8284095it's 0.25 more than the 0.5 version
>>8284096man if i knew earlier i would have genned my djinn hoe on something else
>>82840790.5 te looks.. less fucked?
>>8284096Average civitjeet opinion on the matter
>>8284091this is good then. i hope he's right, if not, they have the compute and i'd rather they fuck up now than when they do the vpred bake
>>8284100i thought civitjeets love it. shitpost sisters, what's our narrative this time?
>>8284099Is this 0.75 unet with 0.5 TE? Did anyone try swapping it out and seeing if it's better?
>>8284101But I want to see the furries seethe at the removal of e621
>>8284102reading comprehension
>>8284104me too anon but i'm pretty sure a removal of e621 data is off the table
>>8284103this is 0.75 unet + 0.5 te + itercompfeels like 0.75 te is a little bit better at styles and facial expressions but it gives way more artifacts
>>8284007the /u/ thread is almost as gross as the /d/ thread
>>82841070.75 unet + 0.75 te + itercomp, same seed
>>8284068box?
>>8284111Yep, they fucked the TE
https://litter.catbox.moe/cfwm28.jpgfor me it's 05, but 075 isn't that bad
>>8284079prompt? please?
>>8284111this does a bit better job at drawing bricks instead of brick blobs, look at the bottom right
why the fuck are people still wasting time with eps when vpred is actually good
>>8284107>>8284111do as a solid and try non pixel art style to compare
>>8284119>vpred is actually goodIs it? Haven't tested any merges or the sigma snakeoil, but it was too unstable for my liking on its own.
>>8284119why do you ask the same question expecting a different answer every thread>>8284123back to civitai with you tourist
>>8284119it's too complex, india isn't ready for it yet
>>8284123nah it sucks fuck off
>>8284119I'm not downloading yet another webui
>>8284123the bake itself was undercooked and kinda looked bad but the method itself, the math to fix the dumb ass average luminance problem, is good
>>8284111>itercompis this the latest snake oil? how do I get it
>>8284130Obviously, but the full vpred is still quite a ways off. Who knows if furries will find a way to sabotage it until then.
>>82841150.75 is "not that bad" until it's worse at something. That's the whole problem with it, it's either the same or worse than 0.5 depending on what you prompt, but rarely if at all you can say "this definitely works better" unless it's some furry smegma artist or concept.
>>8283792>Checkpoint uses e621>Turns yellow >Checkpoint doesn't use e621>Doesn't turn yellowExplain why. See it time and time again. Animagine is shit but it isn't yellow.. doesn't use e621. All furry checkpoints on every arch we've seen? Yellow. Flux, cascade, 1.5, all yellow when e621 is used.None of your claims seem to pass the experience check.
>>8284116https://files.catbox.moe/nkhy82.png>>8284131pic is how it looks like without itercomp>>8284118the perspective is more fucked, random color splotches, fishnets are ruined, the pot for the plant is gone, and the hair looks less like "two side up", cat ears look way more furry, the button on the denim shorts moved to the sidecolors pop a bit more, hand proportions are better and the face is better (if you don't count ruined fang)
all I wanna know is if we're getting vpred fully trained and by when
>>8283566based fellow personafag catbox?
>>8284143yeah i noticed it obliterated the fishnets and a few splotches, was just saying it was interesting
>>8284136>NOOOOO it's not the dataset>You just don't get machine learning, bro>User error, just neg furry and put not_furry in your prompt and make it more verbose, that'll almost mask it>Sepia? what sepia https://e621.net/posts/5144400>Weeabos are so hostile
>>8284134I warned you guys about training the TE. I fucking warned you, but you didn't listen.
>>8284150There's nothing wrong with training the TE. Their mistake was that they did it so late in the bake and with 200k disgusting furry tags
>>8284152>There's nothing wrong with training the TE.Wrong. No good corpo model trained the TE.
So, it's fucking over and we're not getting anything better?
>>8284154Oh we're corpo now?
>>8284155No. They have room for mistakes and LAX isn't delusional. It's fine.
>>8284155Yeah. They aren't giving us a seperate vpred model either, they're just slapping a couple vpred epochs to the end of e621 piss stained noob and calling it a day. Local, once again, sabotaged
>>8284156Clearly not.
>>8284154Illu trained the TE and it's good enough for me
de3 didn't train the teflux didn't train the tenai1 didn't train the teillust did train the te, alrightguess who else did train the te?
>>8284148At least there's millions of exceptionally high quality images like the one you linked so we can get the perfect sepia farts when we prompt it
Maybe if more of you retards would go on discord or Civit to complain about the furries pissifying everything lax would have a change of heart instead of planning full piss stream ahead. Instead it's a loud echo chamber of furfags praising piss21
>>8284155Just bake your loras on illu.
>>8284167Everyone here already commented. We're the minority and doomed to lose
>>8284168>Just...loras...So we're back to this.
>>8284118brick sisters we are so back
>>8284167The complaints are piling up on civit. Lax isn't blind and I'm honestly not really demoralized by 0.75 regression, it really could be a temporary issue.
>>8284112https://files.catbox.moe/3d75qa.png
>>8284167My autism is no where near the level of people falseflagging so there isn't really a point. I just can't compete with people spam creating 30 furry accounts only to leave a comment about how good the model is
>>8284167Why bother? I just switch back to my illu shitmixes.
>>8284171Unless we get some perfect ip-adapter thingy or a self learning model that needs one image to infer everything, we will always need loras
what dataset did angel use for illu?can we just finetune noob's 1.0 with that after its release
>>8284173>Lax isn't blindsee >>8283946
>>8284178booru23
>>8284178>can wewe can complain, nothing else
>>8284178Sure, give me compute and I'll train on the best (private) dataset ever created
>>8284182how much vram does it take to do a finetune of an SDXL checkpoint? does 24gb work if speed is not of concern?
>>8284183>does 24gb workAt batch=1>speed is not of concernSpeed IS the concern. it'll take you literally years to get the same batchXepoch on your single 4090
>>8284175this thought process is exactly why we are only getting pissepia. every little comment against it would help, yet you'd rather let the furshitters take the only local chance we had. MAY I REMIND ANONS ILLUSTRIOUS IS SAAS AND WE WON'T BE SEEING THE NEWER VERSIONS. IF YOU DON'T CONVINCE LAX TO FREE NOOB OF PISSTAIN21, THAT'S IT. WE'RE LEFT WITH PONY 2.0 >>8284173Lax posted multiple images comparing .5 to .75 in euge cord where .5 is clearly superior and said there was no difference. he's going forward with te training e621 if you chuckle fucks stay quiet, all he sees is the mass furfag agreement. he's shown multiple times already his hand is swayed by the majority opinion on Civit or whatever else, you're damning us all by not commenting against the furries
>>8284183you can try finetuning the unet even on 8gbhttps://rentry.org/lora-is-not-a-finetune
>>8284186Tuning on ~100 pics for specific styly is not the same as tuning the full model on millions of pics.
Begun, the Furry wars have.
>>8284146Of course, here you go:https://files.catbox.moe/84o3gi.png
>>8284185>Lax posted multiple images comparing .5 to .75 in euge cord where .5 is clearly superior and said there was no difference.I posted most of the comparisons between .5 and .75 on the server. The one he said there was no difference on was a comparison featuring Alice Kuonji from Witch on the Holy Night, a bit of a unique case compared to most anime art.
>>8283538inpaint out the hair on the bed and its good
>>8284115>halo is worse>scrunchie is wrong color>lost wings>eyes are melty>shading is worse>lineart is worse>bonus watermarkYeah guys its just the same!!
>>8284184>>8284186alright that's nice to know that at least 24gb is usable. >>8284187what if we finetune the model on a smaller subset of higher quality data that maintains similar tag ratios to the original set, say 10% the size, would that work?
>>8284192all of this is easily fixed with a lora
>>8284164>illust did train the te, alright>very good character knowledge>can even recognize artists under 100 imageswe need the gooknai magic method
>>8284194So... what's the point in noob then?
>>8284194this joke was never funny
>>8284194this, just use pony with a lora
>>8284196Illustrious v0.1 was trained on a 7.5M dataset consisting of 1024 × 1024 images with abatch size of 192. The data were tagged using the original Danbooru tags. The learning ratefor the U-Net was set to 3.5e-5, and the text encoder learning rate was 4.5e-6, trained over20 epochs
>puts sepia in negsfixed
>>8284198did anyone think that more than like 5% of the shitposts here were funny? most of it is just autists parroting the one joke they heard before into the ground
>>8284203so same as reddit
>>8284200Based on the characteristics of the dataset described earlier, we attempted to overcome such problemsby conducting the training using the following methods:Firstly, we implemented a No Dropout Token approach to ensure that provocative or specific tokensare never excluded. In conventional training methods, random tokens are dropped during imagepairing to prevent overfitting and enhance model generalization. However, this approach led to theoccasional generation of provocative images. By ensuring provocative tokens were always retainedand training the model to recognize these concepts with 100% accuracy, we found that controllingthe sampling the provocative tokens by CFG, or preventing their use entirely effectively preventedthe generation of provocative or inappropriate content Alphanome.AI [2023].Next, we employed Cosine Annealing scheduler Loshchilov and Hutter [2017] empirically. Such aschedule enables to achieve a lower learning rate and to gain reasonable converged checkpoints witha focus on improving the quality of image and stability of model training. Therefore, we adopted itinto v1.0, v1.1, and v2.0 Illustrious models.
>>8284200guess we're just retarded then
>>8284205Third, we used Quasi-Register Tokens Darcet et al. [2024] to embed concepts the model doesn’tunderstand into specific tokens for training. Since the dataset cannot contain all metadata, certainimage characteristics may not be reflected. We identified these outlier concepts that the modelcouldn’t comprehend and embedded them into register tokens during training. Conversely, whenrandom tokens are included during training, concepts not represented in the text encoder or metadatacan be captured by these random tokens. By attaching random alphanumeric strings, the model isallowed to separate ’bad characteristics’ into leftover tokens, by separating known concepts from ambiguous ones. However, we observed that padding tokens used for sequence length matching inbatching, are also treated as register tokens, a phenomenon we discuss in detail in the appendix.Fourth, we trained model in Contrastive Learning by Weak-Probability Dropout Tokens. Similarto the first method, we prevented certain character names or artist names from being dropped with aset probability during training, which improves the model’s ability to understand character names andartist styles, while other tokens are dropped as usual. This approach significantly improved character-wise understanding with fewer mixed features. Additionally, we observed that with this method,character learning accelerated even with smaller batch sizes, allowing more contrastive learningbetween no-character tokens and character token conditions. However, unlike the tag weightingstrategy used by NovelAI, the absence of CFG control over character tags sometimes led to the modelgenerating specific characters inductively, leading to weak dataset leakage, as expected
>>8284190I'm talking specifically the ones he posted , which he thinks are great and went on to post them in the noob discord for asspats from the furries in all their piss stained glory. https://files.catbox.moe/6p08iw.pngfor example, where .75 forgets what the fuck the background setting even is and taints your screen with a yellow tinge.
>>8284204ding ding ding
>>8284200cheers, this made me realize there was a paper, giving it a read now.
>>8284210fucking 0.75....
>>8284210is she okay?
>>8284207Fifth, we implemented a simple paraphrasing sequence process to train the model on more diversetexts. Tags like "1girl, 1boy" were paraphrased as "one girl, single women," etc. This process enablesthe model to understand various inputs, instead of relying strictly on tag-based conditioning.Finally, we adopted Multi Level Dropout by dividing the dropout into 4 stages, ranging fromminimal, critical tokens to full tags. This allows the model to adapt to varying levels of caption detail.By 30% chance, we utilize max(30% * total tokens, 10) tags, 20% chance, max (40% * total tokens,15), 10% chance, min(6, total tokens), 4% chance, min(total tokens, 4) tokens. The no-dropout tokensignores this rule, for strict controllability.We applied the eps-prediction loss objective and also utilized Input Perturbation Noise Augmentationwith strength• 0 < ε < 0.1Ning et al. [2023], and Debiased Estimation Loss Yu et al. [2024]. We observed noise offset Lin et al.[2024] to be useful for broader color ranges. However, with lower batch sizes, it was not suitable forthe common training procedure.
>>82842120.75?
>>8284208Oh yeah, fair enough on that one then. I wanted to ask him about the handles disappearing too but I just decided not to lol
I used to look back on the older days of 4chan and wonder why the fuck we relentlessly hated furfags much. Now I remember. Yiff in hell.
>>8284203As the original "sepia shitposter" (that was actually my legit concern) I agree
>>8284219samethey're so fucking obnoxious, but after years of no interaction with them I almost started to forget
Man, there sure are a lot of people in here with very strong opinions on how diffusion models should be trained. I'm sure they all have trained models and papers of their own to back up their words and aren't just LARPing techlets parroting fragments of what they heard from smarter people!
>>8284224>parroting fragments of what they heard from smarter people!oh? who are these smarter people i should be parroting from, please fill me in
>>8284224I have trained a lot of style loras, so yeah I think I'm qualified enough to speak about this.
>>8284224Did you train a model? No? Dont bother giving your opinion either and stop posting then
>>8284224hey jordach you should post an update on your anime model that'll save us
>>8284174thanks
>>8284224I have eyes, that's all it takes to see the same mistake being repeated in every model that turns yellow sepia over and over again
