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Library KKG Edition

>First time here or old installation?
Download the latest repack for the game you want and you're set to play (backup your UserData folder if you're transferring)

>Koikatsu Repack RX 21
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/4119656
>Koikatsu Sunshine Repack R11
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/4163615
KKS is a new game with a resort island setting. Get KK for Studio and KKS for more in-game sex positions.
Place KK cards in "\UserData\Chara\female or \male" to convert to KKS

>KKS scene compatibility patch for KK
Get this: https://files.catbox.moe/uohdx3.zip and drop it in:
Koikatu\Koikatu_Data\Managed
Koikatu\CharaStudio_Data\Managed

>HF Patch (Get this to update without waiting for the repack)
>KK: https://github.com/ManlyMarco/KK-HF_Patch/releases
>KKS: https://github.com/ManlyMarco/KKS-HF_Patch/releases

>Sideloader Mods Pack
https://sideload2.betterrepack.com/download/

>Cards
https://db.bepis.moe/
https://kenzato.uk/booru/
http://illusioncards.booru.org/
https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/キャラ配布(コイカツ)
Cards are put in "\UserData\Chara\female or \male"

>BUT I WANT QUALITY CARDS
>/kkg/ Card Creator Pastebin
https://r.entry.org/kkgcreators (reply if you want to be added, take off the .)

>Where do I upload to share my cards?
https://catbox.moe/
(Litter links can be accessed through internet archive)
https://u.pcloud.link

>I WANT SCENES AND OTHER SHIT
>KKScene Mega
https://pastebin.com/uyNtKmxn (embed)

>Theme Stuff
https://pastebin.com/EiTPbUeL (embed)

>Koikatsu Resources Pastebin
https://pastebin.com/882UALu8 (embed)

>Koikatsu Guides Collection
https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZsEm1ZtcWobHPUPmHixbD9NUMRfJDIb607

>Modding Guides
https://files.catbox.moe/ifsng0.7z

>Thread Archive
https://rentry.org/kkgarchive
https://rentry.org/kkgsecondarchive
https://archived.moe/h/search/text/Koikatsu/type/op/
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>>8359602
quality op desu
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Previoso :

>>8316325
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>>8359517
just find the equivalent
I haven't touched it either but its surely easy to translate just by reading
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Other previousness :

>>8344534
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Greed from late last thread.
Goodnight!
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>>8359611
goodnight
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>wait 900 seconds
>forget to post
>gotta wait another 900 seconds
this is sucks
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At this point, I'm basically resorting to trying to manually edit the emissiveness of the texture to where it mirrors how it would normally look without lighting and image effects with both of these things on.

And just as I typed that out, I release I should have changed my LUT to daytime instead of morning. FUCK.
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>>8359633
Nevermind, LUT is at daytime. I'm just going mad.
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Here is my second attempt at the mod. To be frank, I don't know how to get the lighting effects right. Maybe it's in a bearable state for use though, so here you go: https://files.catbox.moe/f65plz.zipmod
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The gayest shit I've made.
Gay warning
https://files.catbox.moe/hgtog7.png
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>>8359731
He wasn't kidding, it really is gay and shit
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>>8359757
no pointy
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dead links, dead game
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>>8359762
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>>8359771
How the fuck did you pull that off?
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>>8359776
just sliders bro
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KEK
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>>8359771
fixed the outlines

>>8359776
draw a heart, animate the fill
maintext accepts gif files
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>>8359776
samefag
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>>8359785
just kidding, this one is
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>>8359787
no, this one is
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>>8359801
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just post works bro
Im blending with the phase
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>>8359875
its actually called pace
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ok guys have a nice day
also, i can't render in 4k
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>>8359899
ok vhix nobody cares
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>>8359962
Right one can have it, I love flatties.
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As much as some of these quirks annoy me finally having a new set up is worth it.

>>8359632
Sucks is an understatement, I forgot what I wanted to post last night because of it.
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>>8359978
The ratboy swarm strikes again!
Someone really needs to figure out where they keep coming from.
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>downloading a 7gb scene pack because I want the 3 newest scenes
ha ha ha fuuuuuuuuuck
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>>8360259
her name is ryona because we beat her up
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>>8360259
raytracing in MY KOIKATSU?
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>>8360259
I'm eagerly awaiting for your stuff to drop.
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>>8360292
It's easier than you think
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>>8360259
Is she STILL not finished!?
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>>8360325
I don't want to rig her dress, but I'll have some free time over the holidays to finally do it.
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>>8360328
that's mean
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>>8360328
Poor Feelai. Also nice booba.
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>>8360259
Miyabi when
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Early wip Horseboy.
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>>8359962
I know biki is private, but would you be willing to share her body sliders? Was interested in how you do boobs
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>>8359632
>wait 900 seconds
LITERALLY why i don't post
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>>8359962
Okay now put my OC in this line up please. Also did biki get uhh.. heavier?
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>>8360719
>>8359632
Back in the discord group days, I remember multiple people saying the same. Guess that's yet another reason people are posting less.
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>>8360764
Wait, but the 900 seconds was a very recent addition. What do you mean "discord group days"?
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>>8360764
We made a new one. Sorry you didn't get the memo.
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>>8360768
It was only like a week or two before the discord exploded.
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You guys are still pushing this discord bit?
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>>8360906
It was never a bit.
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>>8360906
Why are you still blatantly lying as if everyone here wasn't also in that tridetect server? Is your severe autism the cause?
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>>8360915
>as if everyone here wasn't also in that tridetect server?
nta but I wasn't. I thought the clique was a meme?
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>>8360919
It is. People here are just making shit up because this place is dead.
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I don't even know who tridetect is.
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>>8360906
If you didn't ask people would glossed over it.
Maybe we should be asking you this question.
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>>8360931
Same, I know there was a discord but I don't know who or what tridetect is supposed to be
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GUYS PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE DISCORD I DONT HAVE KOIKATSU INSTALLED AND I NEEEEEED MY DRAMA
PLEEEEEAAASE
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>>8360930
This place is dead because of the tridetect server. It wasn't a clique they invited every named anon from here and they all just stopped posting. If you didn't get invited guess you don't post anything.
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>>8360919
>clique was a meme
fix this for wonda anon server, Droib is his best friend
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>>8361083
You did a good job
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>>8360965
This place was already filled with clique garbage. You could see few people responding only to specific posts or people. Same on discord. Cliques within cliques.
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>>8361138
Thanks. I haven't done any normal scene work in a while, and I'm hoping to get back into it, at least for a bit.
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>>8360965
I guess I don't post anything.I don't even have koikatsu installed.
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>>8361255
who the fuck are you?
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>>8361258
Just an anon without a name.
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>>8361255
They didn't want to hear your whining.
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>implying these threads are good for anything outside of drama now
It's what it became, it's what you wanted, it's what you deserved.
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SUFFER AS I HAVE
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>>8361296
Who are you quoting?
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>>8361255
You're such a whiny bitch you're even complaining you were not invited to the totally-real-not-a-shitpost discord server.
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>>8361368
God you're so shit.
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>>8361379
Im sorry.
How do you suggest I stop being shit?
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>>8361305
>still claiming it isn't real
Holy shit. You're either delusional or one of the annoying fucks who weren't even considered for the invitation process.
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>>8361368
God that's so cute.
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>>8361368
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLC13OWsNE4
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>>8361404
Neither was he. Proves my point.
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>>8361255
Looks like ahanubis garbage
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>>8359731
Nah, that’d be the futa on male stuff. This is still nice though :)
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>>8359801
>>8359812
>clussy
Alright I’m slightly interested.
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>>8361255
Lies. I follow your twitter.
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>>8361299
That’s that and this is this.
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>>8359731
your faces and especially this one look so nice but
>futa
GAY
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>>8360666
Here is one of my base cards with sliders for perky titties
https://files.catbox.moe/b7v03h.png

Keep in mind that both cf_j_spine and cf_s_spine sliders in abmx affect breasts as well

>>8360726
post your card

also
>biki heavy
No way, she is just a big girl
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Choose one
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>>8361568
>>8361572
fatfags are mentally ill
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>>8361568
Seek help.
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>>8361559
>Waits 900 sec
:D
https://files.catbox.moe/lwk5ms.png
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>>8361559
Closest we got to biki in the 10 years
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>>8361255
Nobody wanted to deal with your melties.
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Miku!
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>>8361697
I didn't want to see futa. They just ignored me and made futa anyways. Good riddance.
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>>8361697
The cringe dicksword fans didn't want to have a based and redpilled chad booba enjoyer in their midst.
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>>8361745
He's still not gonna fuck you bro.
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>>8361751
>>8361769
I missed.
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>>8361769
I will
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why are textposters suddenly so obsessed with DA DISKORRRD
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>>8361795
>suddenly
lol
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>>8361648
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>>8361801
Nice
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>>8361769
Why not?
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My wife and her friends are at the pool
If you see her say hi
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very rough, very early, very scuffy WIP
https://litter.catbox.moe/0r8vje.mp4
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>>8361929
looks neat. good fx
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>>8361937
Thanks :)
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>>8361795
>textposters
>implying it's not the workposters not attaching an image to the post
>suddenly
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>>8361801
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>>8361486
But why
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>>8361258
It's joever...
>>8361477
that's a whole debate I'm not interested to entertain
>>8361492
faces are very hit and miss, mostly miss.
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>>8362008
Because I like you, now answer your DMs >:(
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I found out the real alleged reason the alleged discord died. It was shut down due to the scandal with Mr. Beast.
Don't let them lie to you. Internet celebs do use Koikatsu. I'll have more truths for you guys during Christmas.
>>8359632
It's a pain. Adorable elves though, would love them on my own shelf.
>>8359962
Our ancestors knew what they were talking about. Thank god we live in the modern era so we can have your girls in full anime 3d like they intended.
>>8359978
Good rat plaps! These things are a menace. I love the background details you always do in your scenes, always something nice to look for when you post.
>>8360259
Her body looks great here.
>>8360328
Feelai bit off more than she could chew this time.
>>8360611
Nice work so far anon! What kind of horse?
>>8361083
Atmospheric anon, looks great.
>>8361368
lmao this is cute.
>>8361648
>>8361801
Based, Mori card poster and 900sec timer waiter, I kneel. Now all the ancient girls our ancestors dreamed of are complete.
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>>8361255
I wanted to tell you I liked these outfits on your girls, especially on the left, but the system marked my mass reply as spam until I removed it so here it is now lmao I like the outfits!
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>>8362059
>What kind of horse?
I dont think I really have any sort of horse in mind. I guess what ever kind of horse you usually find on a farm?
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>>8361984
okay what if someone's into scat? what then? HUH? HUH?
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>>8362101
Then they'd have a shitty fetish.
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Anyone know the contact info of mod creators who are willing to do controversial commissions?
KK discord (obviously) wont let me post there.
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>>8362176
wtf am I reading? do you just want a poseable dog model?
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I finished a KK HMV, but r34video is returning errors and iwara only has a 300mb upload limit (lmao) re-rendering with a midrange bitrate to hit that 298mb....
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>>8362176
file deleted so I can't read what you asked. but there are a number of dog models in scenes on bepisDB
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>want to recreate an asymmetrical design
>textures of the matching clothing piece forces symmetry
I hate this
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>>8362066
thanks. I'm not used to people complimenting the outfits
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>>8361559
Late response. Thanks man! It's greatly appreciated. You should totally post more koi stuff of her.
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>>8362446
Good boobies
>>8362414
Shit boobies
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>>8362463
Good post
>>8362455
Shit post
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The vhigger is back...
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>>8362176
Controversial commissions? You mean offensive political stuff?
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>>8362176
that's outdated
give the girl a strap on and do it reverse
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>>8362414
And for good reasons.
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>>8362414
what shader / material / lighting settings are you using?
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I'm trying to join the Koikatsu server but the verification bot's DM's aren't appearing and i can't even look at the server rules.
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>>8362835
Ain't that a bitch.
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>>8362835
snake being worst girl even outside her source materal
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>>8362874
Shinobu would let me in for sure, I just know it.
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this guy said he was using AI to overlay the KK models. anyone know what software / technique this is?
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>>8362913
another one in more anime style rather than pixel theme
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>chinese ai slop
no thanks
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>>8362972
so you don't know I take it?
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>>8363096
kino aesthetic
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>>8363163
Thank you. :)
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Okay, for anyone experienced handling mods, I would like some help. For context, I do know how to mod in the items I want, but the shading is off.

Going left to right:
>First one is how it looked in SFM
>Second is how it looks at default settings in Unity with lighting effects on
>Third is my first port into CharaStudio (looks identical to if I turned the lighting effects off for number 2)
>Fourth is my attempt at adjusting the emission value (from dark ass black to bright butt white)
As you can see, while I have progressed towards making the mod useable, I haven't come close to the original SFM colors.

I do have a solution that dodges all of this hub bub; if I use Unlit Texture as the shader, it ends up accurate to the SFM look. Unfortunately, said SFM is very flat; for example, the pillars start to blend into the wall due to their borders not standing out (desu, this effect might be worse than it is in SFM but whatever).

I've been told that a way to solve my dilemma, i.e. having the colors from SFM without the SFM flatness, is to use the normal maps from the original model (somehow). However, I was also basically told it's a long process to learn how to do that if you're a noob (or maybe that was a misunderstanding but that's what I got out of it). I was told to focus on MainText/Diffuse/Albedo as well, but I don't really get how.

Regardless of what method I would use, at my current skill and knowledge level, it seems like I would be reduced to guessing and checking, a method I've already used to very little success.

So I would like to ask, is there a straight forward process to get the results I would want? I'm a bit (okay, quite a bit) retarded, but all I would need to get this right are defined steps to follow. Regardless, I plan on making a Unlit Texture version of my mod, but if someone with some know how could give me some steps to follow for a regular shading version of the mod to look closer to the original SFM models, that would be appreciated.
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>>8363257
Barring a straightforward process, what specific things do I need to learn? Would have included this question in the last post if I didn't run out of characters (and if I didn't just think of it).
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>>8363257
I'm having similar lighting / texture / shading problems with characters in custom scenes. So hopefully someone comes in and has a solution lol
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>>8362795
I use vanilla plus for the shaders with minimalist shadows. I also use PPE but the settings there are scene dependent.
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>>8363257
Don't know much about texture work, but have you looked at KoikDaisy's map guide?
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>>8363281
many thanks. It looks great. My scenes don't look half as good and I'm thinking the shading and the lighting is probably the biggest culprit.
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>>8363287
I have; that's where I got the ideas to use the unlit texture shader and bumping up emission from. It was pretty helpful, just didn't let me have my cake and eat it too. I am also making these models into studio items instead of maps, so I don't know if that makes things different or not.
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>>8363309
According to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZf2X2ftXnE, albedo maps are just your main texture with the shadows removed. But that's probably not a concern in your case since you're not using real photos as your textures.
Albedo maps seem to be just another name for color maps in our case, which looks to be just your main texture. And your diffuse map will be the exact same as your albedo map, therefore the main texture / color map if you're not texturing metallic objects. Otherwise, it will be mostly the same with some minor changes.
Diffusion maps seem to tint your main texture. So if your diffusion map is dark, your texture will be dark, no matter what color your main texture is. Solution is apparently to just desaturate with an image editor of your choice.
So from what I can tell, I guess what you got recommended was to just look at your textures again, check if you've got any diffusion maps fucking you over, and go from there.
https://www.modding-forum.com/guide/17-diffuse-specular-and-normal-maps/
This does mention that diffusion maps and color maps are the same thing, so maybe just desaturate your main textures and see what happens.

I'd help more, but I really don't know anything about this sort of stuff.
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>>8363391
what do these faces convey
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>>8363431
Fear, dread and despair
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Heres something I wanted to make during the Pokemon theme but never got around to it.

>>8363431
Shes cute.
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>>8363465
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alright, discord clique'ers. i want DRAMA, who is the most controvesial anon in your little gay group i'm not invited to?
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>>8363508
Im gonna give you the biggest leak.
There is no discord.
We just made it up for the funny.
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>>8363508
Camo dude until he got kicked out.
Otherwise Anna.
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Don't you feel... JOLLY?
Don't you feel... MERRY?
Don't you feel... a little bit FESTIVE?
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>>8363585
She looks heavy.
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>>8363370
Sorry for not responding! I appreciate the video. Makes me wonder if maybe the normal map for the model is inverted from that native to unity. Unfortunately, I had already deleted my previous mod attempt, so I'll have to check after the next model port.
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>>8363514
Anna has been dead for months now.
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>>8363585
Maybe a little.
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Why isn't the lip gloss working on any of the lip types?
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>>8363924
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>>8363756
In public.
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>>8363612
I actually had to shrink her by 15% because she's almost his height lmao. Her tits were blocking his face.
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You saw nothing.
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>>8363925
Boat sex
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If you're posting on pixiv again then I'm sure you're reading the thread, too.
Finish the cat and post more, your stuff is always great.
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>>8364146
Kitanon is posting in this thread right now.
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>>8364175
That's not Kitfag but they are both annoying
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>>8364181
How is Kit annoying?
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https://litter.catbox.moe/7ljede.mp4
Slow progress, but progress
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>>8364125
Thats my beautiful robot wife
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my shading and lighting suck. Any tips or guides on how I can get better? My current settings are default MOD_A and Animated Shadows. I wanted it a bit more saturated than normal but maybe I should have just done that in post when I edit scenes together.

I like
>>8364413
>>8362414
>>8362010

Would be really sick if I could get it looking similar Amaturethrowaway or some other blender styles but that feels overly ambitious for KKS and my skillset
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>>8364446
1. Switch to vanilla+ shaders. You can do this quickly using the ShaderSwapper plugin. Press F1 to open the config menu and check what the hotkey is. If you select your character and press that hotkey, they'll automatically swap their shaders to theri vanilla+ counterparts. This only works if they have a ShaderForge shader, and it doesn't work on all of them, so sometimes you might have to swap manually by opening the material editor.
2. Disable character lighting through the system menu, and add a mod light, like P-MODMAP, located under Map Lights. They don't have any effect unless you've swapped your character to vanilla+ shaders.
3. Under System > Scene Effects > Miscellaneous, change your Shadow Type. These can have a surprisingly large effect on your scene's look. I'm still learning too, but I usually go with Clear + Rim Light or Deep, Smooth Shadows.

And as far as I know, there's no dynamic lighting or shadow system, so you'll have to slap in shadows manually. Alternatively, for shading a character, you can enable KKPRim in the Material Editor, set the color to something dark, and adjust the X/Y values to match where your character's "shadows" are on their person. You can batch adjust those using the KKPRim controller plugin.
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anybody have suck, slurp, moan manga effects like this I can image plate in? the folder i have saved is missing a bunch of words id like to have. im trying very hard to avoid using photoshop. i was going to trawl through the discord archive link in the op but didnt see it anymore
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Here's a quick example of the difference.
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>>8364481
I gotcha
https://files.catbox.moe/ykl2hs.rar
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>>8364498
thanks a bunch anon! exactly what i was looking for
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>>8364470
Awesome thanks for all the notes. Working through the steps now. Certainly looks better. Though placing the mod light in the right spot is gonna take some trial and error. Luckily my workflow is contained scenes so no animating the lights a bunch.
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>>8364514
>>8364470
I think one of the hardest things with the anime style is that it falls into a weird uncanny valley when you go too 3d. Not like we can do ArcSys shaders in KKS though.

Going through and trying to collect scenes that I think have a good aesthetic trying to mimic. What's cool about artists like Hongcha, Anna anon, etc is that you can tell it's them just from the shaders / lighting /style.
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hello I will ask this once more.
is it even possible to timeline pic related? or do you have to master a folder for the entire scene and everything in it to rotate the lighting at that way at the cost of having physics spazz out whenever you do?
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>>8365368
Dunno but why not use a modlight instead?
Pretty sure that can be rotated with timeline as a simple object.
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>>8365410
>Dunno but why not use a modlight instead?
does not interact with the game's shaders and lighting in the same way.
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One year since making Envy/Lucielle <3
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>>8365412
did you try the directional one d-mod? It also works on regular vanilla maps in my game.
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>>8365417
I did and it works somewhat but I'd much rather prefer to use the vanilla lighting as I don't want to go through several materials changing everything to be compatible with pointlights, also working with both vanilla and modded lighting at the same time is nice in my opinion.
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Anyone knows what happened to the web of Betterrepack I can't find the Repack in that web
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Goth hags
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What is Gilleco repack on sukebei?
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>>8359602
Hey I reinstalled kk with the latest HF patch and I'm getting a weird bug where the camera is stuck when I select characters and they're not recognized by kkpe, is this a known bug or am I gonna have to troubleshoot it plugin by plugin?
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>>8365871
I don't know, check for errors in your logs
On another note where is white's leftmost pawn at? And why is Chika grabbing at the queen? Woman what the fuck are you doing the queen can't move yet
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Time to post some maids
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>>8365871
I remember having that issue before too, It went away at some point, but I don't remember how. Maybe it was updating some plugins or something. There have been updates that haven't been incorporated into the repack.
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>>8365898
I love maids!
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>>8365871
>>8365889
>>8365901
Thanks, it was dynamicboneeditor updating to the latest version from GitHub seems to have fixed it, also wow /kkg/ is way less active than a few years ago did everyone just move on? I see that illusion released 2 more games too lol.
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>>8365918
ALLEGEDLY, frequent posters who were relatively well known decided to make their own discord. Sick and tired of Someone decided to leak stuff from there, so that got shut down. ALSO ALLEGEDLY, those people split off into three smaller discord groups.
At any rate, the fact is that a few stayed here, and others either left KK entirely all of the sudden or decided to just chat amongst themselves and have their own place.
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Oof we're still trying to push this huh
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>>8365906
Maids are good.

>>8365927
Is that why we don't see the overlays and such updated anymore?
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>>8365927
Damn that sucks, I liked the themes and the banter but I had to leave to finish my military service, oh well.
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>>8365927
So it's just kitfag left here now?
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>>8365942
Yes
You are kitfag, I am kitfag
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>>8365934
Well with less people around, there are less people to share shit like overlays and whatnot.
>>8365936
Your service is appreciated. I imagine a lot of us were fine with it, but some just couldn't deal with banter and the apparent doomposting.
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>>8365946
I've been gleaning what I can from the main Discord and I'm in the process of learning how to make clothing overlays, though I am a goddamn noob at it.
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>>8365368
>>8365431
Short answer - nope.

Long answer - it was never supported in timeline since day one, joan has been MIA for years, and the modders maintaining the code probably won't implement it. The best option is to manipulate modlights and turn the base lighting off. Shader swapping to vanilla plus default shouldn't take long with the shader swapper plugin.
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>>8365942
And Coloris. And maybe vhix.
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>>8365942
https://archiveofsins.com/h/thread/7904959/#7915812
It was foretold.
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>>8365942
>>8366004
Kitanon never gives a fuck about what you do or say, he will just post. Anything you say to him that doesn't involve sexpets or his gachashit will be forgotten instantly. And this is why he'll be the last named to go, unironically.
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>>8366024
Yes he is mentally ill, it has been established.
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>>8365942
God I hope not.
If it's just me who else will look at my cute pets?

>>8366024
I post non-sexpet and gachashit all the time here.

>>8366040
I mean only a little like maybe 23%
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You are NEVER making girls as cute as mine, Mr. Textposter.
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>>8365551
You got a lil something on the walls there
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When girls have a sleep over they always do some gay shit with each other. it's the truth
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>>8366071
That's an incredibly unfortunate hairline.
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>implying you don't do gay shit with the bros at a sleepover
what's the point then even
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How do your characters rank on the bust size?
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very little vhix in this thread btw.
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good
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Who is vhix?
What do they make?
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>>8366090
the best of kkg,
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>>8366090
Another dirty paywaller
https://inhaler.gumroad.com/
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>>8366098
>those prices
Uhhhhhhhh
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>>8366101
He’s legitimately insane yes. It’s okay to laugh, anon, we’re all thinking it.
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>>8366071
I agree, they are very cute!
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>>8366071
Blondie's starting to grow on me NGL.

>>8366082
If you don't have the full range in that pic then you're not a real person. If you have the full range and you're a dirty gachafag, you're still not a real person but at least you can appreciate all booba and that's something at least.
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>>8366130
I feel like I'm missing some lore. Sure, the guy didn't seem like the most reasonable character from his posts to me, but I didn't think it was this bad.
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>>8366358
lol ok vhix
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So what exactly are the DA shaders for exactly?
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So what exactly are the DA shaders for?
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So what exactly are the DA shaders?
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So what exactly are DA shaders?
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>>8366576
So exactly DA shaders?
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So DA shaders?
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Exactly.
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What?
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>>8366561
The ones I have installed do the following fx things:
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So?
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>>8366595
Thanks i fucking hate it.
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Hey Sarge, I got the DA on the phone and he's asking about someone by the name of "Shae Durz"? She an informant or something?
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>>8365950
well fuck, guess I'll have to swap out my lighting
>and the modders maintaining the code probably won't implement it.
I'm gonna go ask and bother them, who's maintaining it right now? maybe I'll ask shallty too but I don't think any of his plugins adds any timeline nodes.
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>>8366618
You'll have to ask the new intern, Sadie. Last name, Enward. She's a little hard of hearing though, you'll have to shout for her.
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Shrimp fried rice? Simply ain't no way!
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It's happening just as you thought.
All DA units move out, rendezvous at square grid 2031, time: 1930, they are in the net.
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what did shaders ever do to you?
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>>8366758
They turned a 5 minute scene into a 20 minute one. We could've been happy with just making normal KK scenes, but these fucking shaders come in and now we spend an obscene amount of time just dealing with shaders, rim lighting, and point lighting, not to mention dealing with the other little features the fancy shaders offer.
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I guess I could in between other th-
>this 900 second bullshit is still going


>>8366082
Best I can do is how active they are atm.
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About time I updated my TL too
https://tiermaker.com/create/coloris-character-tier-list-17369248
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Yeah idk what else to make tier lists of.

>>8366785
God I need to do exercises but being lazy is so easy.
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>>8366785
you fell off
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ONE OF MY KOIKATSU WORKS ON PIXIV FINALLY REACHED MORE THAN 1,000 VIEWS.
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>>8366953
YAAAY!
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>>8366953
I get 1500 views
get on my level kid
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>>8366963
Show me your works then.
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>>8367013
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>>8367036
Needs better shading.
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anons, I just downloaded koikatsu and while I looking thru the options I was wondering is there a gangbang or threesome (2b/1g) mod or is it an option I missed? I only see b/g, masturbation, lesbian, group (2g/1b), dark (b/g? i can't see the difference)
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I'm trying to find a mod I had before I reinstalled KKS. It was a shader that looked like water running down glass. Does anyone know where this is?
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>>8367522
Who cares? This place is dead.
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>>8367481
There aren't a lot of mods that add positions to free H unfortunately. Most people in this thread use studio.
Well, most people in this thread textpost actually, but that's a (relatively) recent state of affairs.

>>8367481
I don't use Sunshine but that sounds vaguely familiar. Was it one of RSkoi's mods?
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Shitpost scene I made a while back where there was a bizarre thread that talked about both Coffin of Andy and Leyley and Kung Pow.
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>>8367629
I could stream that film.
Mm, if I felt like it.
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In the material editor, what setting can change a nipple type? No matter what I change a nipple to, it always defaults back to what the card had. I've even tried importing random textures on every setting and its still doing it.
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Does either of the koikatsu games have rape? I see that there are some "forced" positions on KK, but I still can't kiss without consent. I am new to this game of course
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Dead thread lol
At least the vhigger is gone.
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>>8367838
a pyrrhic victory
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Help, how do i compress a scene's image file size?
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>>8368011
Change all characters with default characters (Chikarin recommended). If you need to keep the exact body types for animations or similar, make Chikas with the same body types as the original cards OR make a copy of the original cards and remove as many costumes/items etc. from it.
You can also change textures, from both characters and studio elements, with compressed versions.
Also, I believe older versions have some bug that sometimes adds extra space for no reason, in which case you have to import things from the old scene and save them into a new one.
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>>8367696
Maybe there's a nipple accessory sitting on top of the actual nipple. Or a body overlay.
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>>8368028
>change textures with compressed versions
You mean changing eye/body overlay textures or use default shaders instead of advanced ones like KKUSS?
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>>8368137
Overlays, underlays, and all other textures. Sometimes the cards come with texture files that are just too big, mainly for stuff ported from elsewhere. At other times the size is right, but you can sacrifice some quality to make the character and/or scenes even smaller.

Speaking of textures, also make sure the clothes/accessories you are using don't use more than necessary. For example, I once used some earrings that included picrel as the MainTex. As you can see, instead of just the small part needed, the texture includes all parts of the related costume.
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>>8368166
In those cases you can edit the image file to remove the parts that won't be needed. Just erase them or make them black in PS or similar software. You can potentially save a lot of space if you take the time to look at all textures and edit cases similar to this, especially if you're using mods ported from other games.
Picrel is how the texture in this case looked after the edits.
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I think my studio broke. It's been stuck on loading for 15 minutes now. How can I fix it?
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>>8368334
This place is dead.
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>>8368334
Ignore the doomposter.
What was the last mod or card you downloaded?
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>>8368334
Have you tried uuh turning it off and on again?
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>>8368334
Start removing any mods/plugins you've added recently until it works again. If it's still not loading, reinstall Repack + HFPatch, then move over any specific things you need from the old install (try the game before moving over old stuff, just in case). If it doesn't work after that, try step 1 again. If it still doesn't work, it's probably an issue with your pc.
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>>8368334
Just in case, have you downloaded anything from the "bleeding edge" tick box in KKmanager?
also you may consider it a joke but>>8368355
might actually be the solution, once for some reason my game was loading in japanese, and I had to do a pc reset to fix it.
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have not been here for awhile. has anyone ever managed to get the growth/shrink mods from party working for sunshine?
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How the FUCK do I see what mods are required for a character when downloading them from a place like bepis
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>>8368384
If the uploader is nice, they'll have listed the requirements and give links in the comments.
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>>8368384
nigga just load the card and you'll get a list of mods missing
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>>8368384
https://plugindatareader.maki0419.com
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you fell off anna, where is the halloween scene?
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There is some modpack or plugin with presets facial expressions? I can't get the hang of blend shapes and bones modification.
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>>8368628
Holy sex
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Been a long time since I messed around with any Illusion title, is Koikatsu still the best all around? Last I checked nobody used Sunshine and Honey Come + Summer Vacation Scramble had just come out and seemed kinda meh. I'm not a chara studio person I just like creating cute characters and fooling around in the story mode/free-h
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>>8368742
Pretty much everyone around here uses Studio, so it's gonna be hard to get a detailed answer. But from what I hear, Koikatsu is still the best for Studio, but SVS might be better for what you want. SVS was missing a lot of mods and such last I knew, but the base stuff and overall style seem to be decent.
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>>8368742
For story and free-H, definitely SVS. You have to be out of your fucking mind to use KK for anything but Studio.
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>>8368749
There is no one around here.
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>>8368771
Silly anon
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Can a Great Grand Wizard please answer a question i have in regards to Honey Select 2
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>>8368680
Probably not. That sort of thing is too easy to break because any bone edit with distort the facial expression you're trying to copy. Like with my cards, I usually tweak the nose and mouth positions and rotations, so if I copy some face preset, that shit gets completely thrown out and I get some hideous abomination.
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>>8359602
Has anybody considered using AI to auto create cards from an image? Something like analyzing the image and then giving you the sliders?
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>>8369040
why is she pig?
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>>8369041
I never noticed that now how do I change it?
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>>8369048
how does she pig?
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Why pig?
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Pig?
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Oink oink
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we can't make pigs cool
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Squeal for me little piggy
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>>8369313
haha wtf
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>>8369040
AI isn't magic and you'd need to train like 2-3 different bots specifically for this in order to accomplish it.
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>>8369040
not even niche specific kk/kks plugins are this advanced. you expect too much from a 2018 unity game.
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>>8363264
Turns out someone already did! Go to the Koikatsu Discord server and look up KK Image Converter in the modder-resource channel. Pic rel also covers the filters that end up screwing you over, but disabling them is generally a bad idea if you want to use other people's cards out of the box.
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>>8368759
SVS is laughably dogshit for free H
HC is way better and even then that doesn't compare to sneedshine
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Is there any clothing mods/cards involving ribbons that wrap around a character's body like this?
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Gonna be dropping my port of Yinyama's RWBY Map Pack later today. It's finished, but I kinda want to make some properly lit up scenes for you guys to play around with first.
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>>8369480
veta...
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>>8369674
I see some on bepis when looking up "ribbon".
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So is the main Koikatsu discord server the one everyone complains about over here, or is it a different one? Because the main one has actually been pretty helpful and has a lot of tools to use.
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I'm trying to make an animation with penetration, but I can't use the collider correctly.
The idea is that a collider set to “inside” positioned in the bitch's vagina will instead of colliding with the dick, “pull” it into the vagina.
The problem is that as the pic related shows, although the collider attracts the dick (because it's set to collide “inside” instead of “outside”), when it actually collides with the dick's bone, it still repels it instead of “swallowing” it, if that makes sense.
So it's impossible to get the dick to actually enter the vagina, even if the collider is positioned correctly.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to make proper penetrations using this technique? I know that in Honey Select 2 there is a mod that solves this problem, you use two colliders, one attracts the base of the penis, the other makes the tip of the penis head towards a point of your choice, and so you can create a “path” for the penis to follow (the vagina, for example). But I've never seen anything like this in Koikatu so I guess the solution is to use colliders, right?
Thank you.
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>>8369854
Dunno what that means
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>>8370024
They were a shitposter in this general.
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>>8369881
There's the main one which used to be worse than this place but it's gotten so bad here that the tables have turned.
Then there's the new private one all the usual posters left to join.
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>>8370067
Not all of them went there.
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>>8370091
Vast majority it seems. Only one left is julianon and kitfag looks like.
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>>8370101
Can't get rid of Kit no matter how much we try.
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>>8370067
https://poal.me/r9c3rt
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>>8370067
https://poal.me/tl6aq3
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sorry i don't sculpt, i was porting my whole life
GEOMETRY IS A WORD!?
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>>8370145
>>8370153
okay bro sorry
>>8370091
vhix is still here too
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is this guy autistic
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yes
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>>8370091
Only unimportant people haven't joined.
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the discord is more of a community server than digital art to the point that one guy posts his work and may think he's the best instead of equal pro vs pro discussion

like you post there and think everyone else are clowns

hey that's not what i think, it just feels like that but i post random shit on discord like silly stories or absolute brainrot speech patterns

ok now back to this, elitism is rampant yet one blender poster and no one can stand their ground
its just so horrible, i don't know whats the point

so now its sorted out that the discord is a community focused server, the art part would be ports, mods, plugins, all that mechanical stuff shared by people and little tips as a depth digital art momentum

however if you total especially the mod behaviors, its a community focus server (consumers)

>vhix why do you have to repeat its community focus
because people don't read everything

>does that make the server bad
i think the server just feels like average discord server if not for the technical parts
doesn't make it bad, just bad for pro discussions

instances :

In pro vs pro discussion, if the art perception is relevant to ones experience.
you're supposed to translate it and say what it is really called then continue the conversation or trading of skills
lets say, i called it circle sculpt so clueless and those who had idea could understand but its actually called smooth surface and edges adjustment (there's so many mechanicals, you don't have to get stuck on one style. I have multiples myself) and I have more things to say.

So basically, when you come upon this type of instance. The other side tries to make you look dumb and more dumb as possible.
It's very unhealthy, you can't have professional discussion that way because the other side would push elitism because he know the terms and waiting you to say it instead of translating so we continue the flow.

despite, not everyone knows all the terms either. Eg: Shadow is black rim

got you surprised?
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Nice blog post
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>>8370175
name the important people
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>still obsessed with the discord
Jesus christ move onto something else, already
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>>8370188
They can't because it doesn't exist.
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>>8370006
Isn't it because your collider is set to "outside"? I think that pushes away whatever comes in contact with the collider bubble.
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Literally nobody who's ever been in these threads is important. Same for any and all Discord servers related to Koikatsu. In fact, using Koikatsu at all makes you unimportant by definition.
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thing im sure is we're filtered on youtube and categorized as content for 18+ so i was thinking of either moving to blender or practicing the 2d market
i chose 2d

meanwhile, i'll just build followers for koikatsu
then post long timeline works when the time is right or i just feel like it

>why are you not posting cool stuff immediately
because the harsh reality in this world is no matter how long you worked on something or how cool you think it is, it won't be seen if the circumstances states so

>>8370204
>In fact, using Koikatsu at all makes you unimportant by definition.
not on the porn part. we have established a porn market
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>>8370145
Have you been using this list as justification for your insane prices? You realize this is for hand-made 3D models done from scratch and not video game custom characters, right? Learn Blender for a few years and fix your broken aesthetic sense if you wanna start making that kind of money.
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>>8370207
but naturally i have great art sense so i can sculpt and make presentable content even if its "just free-h"

you have to get my model first before your free-h looks like that

>>8370209
i can do the same sculpt on blender but i see people flopping so i just learned sculpting there and fucked off

still, the models are exportable so its considered as a 3d product and you used the same set of skills you use on other 3d markets

so this means, the models you see around COULD BE NOT ACTUALLY MADE IN BLENDER BUT TWEAKED THERE
so yeah, i call this modernity

you can all things that and this but modernity just makes holes outside the box and saying statements like this is more of an attempt to buy items on lowball prices
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>>8370213
makes holes inside the box oh yeah
2024 is mindblowing
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>>8370213
You forgot the C on your call
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>>8370217
i just pressed submit XDD
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>>8370209
on the justification of prices, i talked about it on past threads
if i was just big i would make FAQ
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i don't wanna sculpt blender on the spot but like let me tell you some top secrets

1. outline is the same model as the base, its just full black

2. you spend more time mixing basic shapes than using the brushes ( that's why people use zbrush, the feeling of drawing is more immersive for them than stacking building blocks)

3. some masks can be just maintext, the special ones are emmission, rim, specular and etc

on top of this and things i know, you need 6 years to build your own assets and give your blender workspace a koikatsu feel

im not touching blender at all since i practiced because my other target is 2d animation
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>>8370227
>>8370213
>>8370207
>>8370182
No-one likes you, ESL chimp.
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>>8370213
Your work is hot garbage, go to deviantart instead of shitting this place up with your trash
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>>8370247
No-one will miss you when you're gone
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>>8370204
True!
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>>8370311
cool

>>8370277
looks like gta wow
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Does anyone remember who made these cards? I remember finding them on Pixiv and grabbing what I could and then the author just straight up left.
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>>8370358
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This thread needs more self-insert OC
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>>8370546
what about non-self-insert non-OCs?
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>395 posts
>140 images
>page 9
grim
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>>8370546
No.
>>8370697
Yes.
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>>8370358
https://www.iwara.tv/video/yDB7UsqGY1YMYa
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>>8370697
my slutty wife ricca is so cute
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>>8370816
Ricca is NOT a slut. Retract such a heinous statement immediately.
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Anyone have a normal texture on hand to make clothes look glittery?
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>>8370361
Bikini babe Jordyn
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>>8370832
Sweet
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converting my cards to be compatible with modmap lighting
how much longer until I become koikatsu famous superstar?
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>>8371145
Try copying the shaders and map lightning of my scenes instead. I'm close to getting a total of 10,000 views on Pixiv because of them.
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>>8371179
WHO even are you
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>>8371201
I'm the cook
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>>8371201
I don't know why you're asking something like that, but you should use KKUSS, overlays, this NormalMap texture and make use of some effect objects in CharaStudio to make your scenes look more beautiful.
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>>8371204
>KKUSS
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>>8371227
What's wrong with it tho?
https://kemono.su/patreon/user/21505309/post/80655590
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for me it's vanilla materials and deep soft shadows
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how's the vr in kk/sunshine?
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I'm not a privatefag because all my cards are so ugly no one asks for them.
We are not the same.
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>>8371265
literally me
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>>8371242
It's fun for posing characters in studio. The actual interactivity isn't great though.
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>>8371306
You ever tried setting a doggy animation for a character while standing behind them pretending to fuck them?
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>>8371308
Nah, something like VAM would be better for that.
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>>8371306
>>8371310
the posing stuff is really cool, thanks for sharing anon. people usually suggest VAM as the go-to vr game but i don't really like how it looks (and i've been told it's a pain in the ass to set up). im hoping that the upcoming vr kanojo next year will end up being good
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>>8371227
its actually meta
you appear on recommended by using the same shader everyone else is using
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Is Vhix a secret genius like Terry Davis? Or is he just insane?
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>>8371383
i cant pull a proper kkuss or custom kkuts coz i can only render 1080p
it looks like some 2008 porn unless the face carries the model

so far i haven't posted a content with that but thats what i see on my test
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if i could render 4k, its crispy as fuck
you can see anything like... ya thats just it and thats the point

in 4k you can see anything
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>>8371391
Yeah I noticed that too, under 4k renders skip so many pixels.
Heck even the downgraded version of 4k for iwara shows more details than average 1080p.
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>>8371393
i mean, i can adjust it but if you borrow someone's 4k pc
shit just feels different

you see this white spots here? you will see skin instead of straight up white with proper rig

AND i didn't change a setting at all! his pc just renders better
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>>8371388
What do you mean by proper? I think your works looks good.
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>>8371419
i mean, i did manage to make it presentable but most noticeable thing is like... you can't zoom in so much on my works
i can't tell much but usually my issue is the resolution of my renders

that's whats proper to me and i hope to aim that.
though i will surely get with proper rig

i have some model types that requires that crispy render.
it just feels different getting a hold of a great pc vs budget one BUT yeah its not the end of the world because I can make presentable content as my first statement says

it just helps, big
for my other styles
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Hello /kkg/. Can anyone help me? I have Koikatsu Party installed, it loads ok and plays free-H fine and can get into character creator fine. But it doesn't recognize mods as being installed when they're very clearly there. I don't get why this happens?

For reference I even created a brand new Koikatsu Party folder unmodded as the base install off Better Repack, loaded the game without mods and such to make sure it was ok and then put in the cards and mods, same thing. What causes this behavior and how do I fix it? I tried using KKmanager to update mods too, as well as having the mods in their own folder and simply placed within the general optional mods folder as shown here. Tested replacing the cards and mods in the folders one at a time, same result.
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I don't think the game reads any optional mods. Go to your mods folder, make a folder like "mymods", and dump your shit in there.
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>>8371432
>>8371461
It has to work because this was the folder I would always put my mods into since I got Koikatsu like 2 months ago and it would read them fine. Something seems to have changed and now it doesn't read them in this instance. The folder also starts with a few mods already pre-installed when installing off Better Repack, which I imagine it would not do if they were not read?
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>>8371432
>>8371471
Move that whole folder to somewhere inside "Koikatsu/mods", preferably the "MyMods" folder (create if it doesn't exist). Do the same with all mods you get in the future.
I don't know why it worked for you before, but Optional Mods is not the usual place for manually added files. Maybe search your folders for duplicate files.
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Thanks for the advice and I tried it, I had tried this before too. When doing this (tested again now after you posted to confirm) it causes the game to load infinitely when going into character creator, so effectively it kills the game. Normally it loads fairly fast, maybe like 10-20 seconds or so// The little loading icon usually is slow and waits a sec then loads, but whenever I try this setup the loading icon spins fast but infinitely.

I left it for several minutes to test and I have a very decent PC with 64 GB RAM and a 3080 with a 12700 processor, so it's not my PC being potato specs either. Ran the game as administrator too. Very confusing even if I do appreciate the help. Any ideas in this case? My apparently wrong setup works but has the mod loading issue now and this way literally breaks the game.
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I'm gonna say the B-word.
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>>8371490
What's the full path for your Optional Mods folder? Maybe it is inside the big mods one, which is not usual either, but would explain some things. I'll reply some hours later if nobody else did by then.
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>>8363391
>>8363096
These are the only two good posts in the entire thread.

Might as well archive the rest now. Man, the quality of these threads has really deteriorated recently.
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>>8371500
bAnna
>>8371512
>kitfag self promoting again
Fuck off.
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Can you do MMF threesome in koikatsu/koikatsu sunshine? I've only tried honeycome before, and I'm curious on how different koikatsu is compared to honeycome. I only use the game for the free h
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Grim.
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what is this weird bright outline that appears when you turn on PostProcessingEffects AO on transparent materials? also happens on eyes.
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>>8371507
Here are the paths to the mods and optional mods folders from within my external hard drive. It being a few folders deep shouldn't matter from what I understand since it always read mods previously from within this same path, including them being in optional instead of main mods folder.
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>>8371994
some of those optional mods are .dll files though?
the .dll files goes into plugins, not mods
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>>8371999
I don't know why, it must have been like that for a reason out of my known control because these were not ones I downloaded manually by name, perhaps the KK Manager or some similar tool added them there? I only added zipmods manually for characters, part like hair to load characters, as shown in the first picture of it not reading them. Maybe they were placed there by a program/update?

This is a picture of what a new install fresh gives me in Optional Mods through a backup copy I made for testing, you can see it places similar files that are plugins there too. Also the stock Plugins folder on that same fresh install.
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>>8372024
not sure what you're having problems with since I didn't read up the post chain but.
rule is:
>.dll into plugins
>.zip/.zipmod into mods

and looking at my sneedshine R11 installation folder all of the files in [optional] mods are plugins, not mods.
and they are optional for good reason so if you don't know what they are, you don't need them.
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I >>8371432 was having issues with mods not being found. I had put them into optional mods because that's where it would actually work, when putting them into My Mods/Mods folders it would make the game load infinitely. I went in now and moved those plugins to plugins, double checked for any extra copies of things and put all my mods from Optional Mods into My Mods and now it worked! Weird that it pre-installs things to Optional and also wouldn't read from normal Mods for me until now. Thank you /kkg/!
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>>8370831
>>8370832
Your posts makes me horny
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/kkg/ is dead!
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It's finally over. We can move over to SVS now. Let's go lads.
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>>8372180
If only. That place is as dead as we are now.
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>>8372180
SVS threads didn't even last two weeks.
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>>8371933
Love her outfit, who made the card?
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>>8372204
The card is https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/91431079
I made the outfit specifically for her.
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>>8372193
Is there a koikatsu exclusion zone?
What's the lore of the koikatsu world?
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>>8372208
Psi emissions behind the school gate are too strong for anyone to pass, nobody made it outside. The chikascorcher is still active to this day.
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>>8372213
if only koity and sneedomers would for once team up to build some psi shielding equipment and head north to defeat the chikalith stationed there...
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>>8372194
Plaprat
Rats for plapping.
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>>8372233
Is there any card that could defeat chikarin?
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Anna made a new animation and forgot to post it here for their friends...
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Parasocial /kkg/!
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You are my sneedshine, my only sneedshine
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>>8372259
Bold of you to even suggest such heretical thoughts.
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>>8372820
>>8373065
Finally some good work
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>>8359602
New thread:
>>8373353



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