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>>8375249
>Question 1: Netorase
The (hopefully) least controversial question is first.

What defines Netorase?

Naturally, there has to be a certain relationship dynamic, where both parties explicitly know that one (?) party engages in sex outside of the relationship.
But what besides that?
Is a story in which one party knows and agrees but isn't entirely (key word: entirely) on board with the idea still Netorase?
Is it necessary that one party draws sexual pleasure from the sexual acts of the other party?
Does it even have to be sexual pleasure in the first place?
What about a situation where the party who engages in extramarital sex doesn't do it to please their partner, or even to do the exact opposite?
Is that aforementioned required relationship dynamic even correctly stated?
After all, a situation in which the party who sleeps with other people doesn't know that their partner not only knows about their infidelity but also enjoys it isn't impossible to imagine.

Lastly, how does Netorase make you feel?
I'm asking about that peculiar feeling I mentioned in the original post.

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>>8375249
>Question 2: Netori
Much more difficult to answer decisively, I think.

What makes Netori?

On the surface, Netori is a simple inverse of Netorare, where the character of the bull and their interactions with the heroine are the focal points of the story.
Is it really the case though, all things considered?
How does the relationship between the heroine and the cuck influence the story?
What if the cuck is simply possessive of the heroine, not in love?
What constitutes "stealing"?
How far does the bull have to go to make the story Netori? Is having sex once enough, or do they have to completely seduce the heroine?
Can a heroine Netori herself? Perhaps if she willingly and knowingly commits actions that slowly pull her away from her partner?
What if she never loved the man in the first place, and their relationship is completely superficial (from her perspective)?

And again, how does Netori make you feel?
I of course mean the feeling described in the first post.

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>>8375249
>Question 3: Netorare
Finally, the question of the evening.

What is Netorare?

Considering the wealth of works tagged NTR, the only apparent (at least initially) common denominator is that a heroine, that's in some sort of relationship with the cuck, is "stolen" by a third party.
This is a very broad definition, if it can even be called one.
What is actually important in Netorare?
Is it the insight into the cuck's mind, what they're going through, or is it the scenario itself?
Could a story centred entirely around the heroine and her feelings be considered Netorare?
What about the relationship itself?
Do the characters have to be romantically involved?
What about "But I loved you first" or family members (incestuous intent or not)?

And for the last time, how does Netorare make you feel?

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>>8375249
>Bonus Question:

Why do you think NTR, or extremely degenerate (violent, depressing, taboo) works often feature the best art?

>>8375298
>>8375273
>>8375256
is this an example of "the best art"? you're trolling. go write a blog elsewhere.

>>8375298
I think this one is pretty simple. Artists who draw porn will start out mediocre with simpler fetishes, and as they continue on in their career, while their skills improve, drawing vanilla stories over and over doesn't "do it" for them anymore. So now they have to push the envelope.
Some artist go physical, others emotional, most do both to some degree. Their ability to draw more intense, detailed sex rises and suddenly now they want to draw gangbangs, ugly bastards with every wrinkle and snaggletooth clearly defined, covering a body in tattoos and making it fleshy, sweaty and lewd, absurd facial expressions.

It's unfortunate, for sure. But if you look at a lot of great, more edgy artist's works, even if they're dark, they get darker, like they have to keep upping the ante. All one can hope is that they eventually get burnt out on the edgy stuff and mix it up with something less edgy

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>>8375256
>>8375273
>>8375292
I don't know, I just think its based on the perspective of the reader. For example, I hate netorare and netorase because in doujins, you read in the perspective of the cuck, and of course I don't want my girl stolen away from me. But when I read a netori story, its from the perspective of the one cucking/bull, which makes it better for me. I just think all about what really floats your boat. Some people are genuinely cucks and get pleasure from having their girl get fucked or have some sexual relationships with other dudes, while others just don't want that shit.

>>8375518
kill yourself.

Sincerely,
OP

>>8375719
>they have to push the envelope
very interesting, you might be right

>>8375752
understandable. would you say that story is more important to you than the art/scenes?

>>8375249
The "I self insert as the bull!" NTR reader are pathetic liars kek. Most NTR fans are cucks and only a small portion of them are there only for the extreme corruption angle. Such cope is more than likely espoused by a cuck hiding his shame by puffing out his chest.
If you're going to be a cuck just be honest. You're a porn addicted loser talking to other porn addicted losers so quit the posturing!
Plus I don't think it's very fascinating just because of the different flavors. Most of it read like the same ol western cuck and cheating pornography of yesteryear, except it's in the form for weebfags to enjoy instead of finding it in the back of an adult video store.
I've done my fair-share of research asking all kinds of people why they feel a certain way about this genre. The only thing that I find interesting about it isn't the content, but the prevalence of it in recent years. NTR is a male-targeting genre mostly and the fact that the schism between men and women IRL is only increasing, making the male loneliness epidemic grow worse and worse. I see NTR being the symptom of such a growing issue as relations between the sexes continue to fail. Men with an inkling of self-respect don't want to be cuckolded, while the men who have generally given up just accept it as a way to feel something— anything from the opposite sex by any means even if it entails humiliation.
The hypersensitivity the genre entails just by being mentioned is primarily because men have been feeling subjugated and abandoned by the world, and suddenly one of their escapisms gets flooded with reminders of their inadequacy in the real world.

They either lash out, ignore it, or drown in it.

>>8375847
you have shit taste

>>8375719
It's not a out pushing the envelope, just about variety.
You can see the opposite occur in, say, Nanashi, who went from floppy breast public nudity, to loli vampire light femdom, to pig/dog/monkey rape, to...safe for work rom-com. Many artists also don't actually start with plain vanilla, either. This post is making a lot of assumptions as if NTR is some sort of end-point, when artists can start damn near anywhere on the content scale and are about as likely to move around it as not to.

>>8375249
>1) It seems uniquely Japanese. To my knowledge, being cuckolded isn't as culturally prevalent in non-asiatic cultures.

You're just wrong. The US leads the way with a 71% reporting rate of cheating. Japan sits at 49%. Being a cuck is far more culturally prevalent outside of Japan than it is inside of it. Fictional media does not represent real life tendencies, otherwise the US would have an incredible incest rate due to our massive consumption of it, and the EU would have basically none (The truth is effectively the opposite)

>>8375249
>The subjectivity applies to all three, Netorare, Netorase and Netori, and it is the thing that draws my interest the most.
>Basically, everybody knows what these are, but they cannot really be strictly defined.
They literally can. They have solid, specific definitions, anon. What the fuck are you blabbing about?

>>8375916
To be fair the Western cuck scene is practically invisible to people on the Internet who are aware of NTR content because they're too young to have seen all the 3dpd cuckold material made by the porn industry for decades.
Plus the japs think prostitution isn't cheating so....

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Me that simply see this ntr as just another gender.

The fag, unsure of accepting that these things happen.

>>8375916
>Fictional media does not represent real life tendencies
That's why I specified "culture". I don't care if the rate of cheating (regardless of whether the Japanese consider prostitution cheating or not) is higher in the US.
Being cuckolded is nowhere near as prevalent in the western media, both pornographic and not, as it is in Asia.
And even western cuckold-esque porn is 90% the step-son scoring his hot MILF step-mom, where no themes of loss, injustice or broken love are present.

>>8375924
>They have solid, specific definitions, anon.
The closest thing to a definition that works tagged NTR possess is a common denominator - a very general idea of a storyline.
I outlined that in my posts, and explained (although, in question form) how said common denominator cannot function as a proper definition.
If the framing of the story, which completely recontextualises the rest of it, doesn't change the fact that a work is tagged (and instinctively feels) NTR, then we're not working on a stiff definition.
This is fine - it's degenerate internet pornography, but that's why I'm asking what actually "makes" NTR for the readers of it.

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>"I self insert as the bull"
Bzzt

>>8375916
>Being a cuck is far more culturally prevalent outside of Japan than it is inside of it.
Even your data doesn't support that. Cuckolding as a fetish specifically requires you to seek out content or situations involving your partner being fucked by other people. This is different than cheating, which is nonconsentual on the part of the partner.

Japanese are by far the biggest WILLING cuckolds and consumers of cuckolding content, which is OP's point.

I'm the kind of guy that will read anything if the art is hot enough. So I've read a lot of netorare even though it's not my cup of tea. Here's some main points about netorare that I've noticed.

>Can't defeat the cock
99% of the women in netorare invariably will pick the dick over the cucks, whom they supposedly love. The theme is that sexual pleasure is the single most important thing for women. The women start out not thinking this way but through NTR logic/magic, sexual pleasure/huge dick is all they want.

>Moral degeneration / Total Corruption
The woman may start out as a nice, good-nature person but through netorare logic/magic, they become evil and mean to the cuck.

>The cuck's misery
For some works, there's more content dedicated to the cuck's suffering than the woman. For BSS, the main theme is the cuck's regret in a "it should have been me, not him" way.

Simply put, netorare enjoyers want to see either the fall of the women or the cuck's misery or both. I'd assume it's mostly the former because why read porn for some dudes weeping in the cuck corner? However, so many of netorare enjoyers don't want no revenge, no justice, no comeuppance, no karma, no nothing that will lead to a better fate for the cucks. And this does lead me to think that maybe many netorare readers cares more about the cucks than they would like to admit.

I'm more upset at how NTR keeps getting mixed with other stuff. Like seriously, we have both NTR and non-NTR stories mixed together in the same magazines/books which makes blacklisting a very crude and inefficient filtering method. You can easily miss out on some nice vanilla-ish stories because in the same books/magazine they are in, there are unrelated NTR stories mixed in.

>>8375752
>But when I read a netori story, its from the perspective of the one cucking/bull, which makes it better for me.
To each their own, I don't even want to cuck some random fictional nice guy NPC desu. NTR is only good if it's fun and doesn't take itself seriously like Urakan or Kiliu works.

>>8375901
>NTR is a male-targeting genre mostly
Then there's those NTR written by women which are usually even more brutal than male-written ones, sprinkled with women moment/logic.

The proliferation of NTR is due to many hack writers/artists fancying themselves as the next Shakespeare usually just pick edgy stuff as the theme of their works. And NTR is one such edgy shit.

>>8375249
>Why is NTR, cheating and infidelity so popular and normalized these days?

Unfortunately it is because people will throw away their morals, principles and standards whenever it comes to porn. So many people stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that porn and the brainrot that comes with it sometimes is just truly awful, disgusting and just plain dehumanizing and has chance of making or turning you into an awful and vile human being. Yes, many of these porn writers and "artists" are secretly vile awful and plain bad people who're not only promoting a dangerous and toxic concept that will harm the mind and soul. "But it's not real!", you say. Whatever you draw or write, no matter how fictional and "not real" it is. Is indicative of what type of character and person you truly are, after all. Isn't any form of art an expression of a person's deep seated desires, ambitions and plans?

Oh wait! It looks like art and works of fiction are no longer a form of expression or indication of a person's values, deep seated desires and passion the moment it's pornographic and start going the "it's not real I definitely would never do such a thing!" excuse and argument. "It's just fiction and not real" my foot! What you draw and write will always reveal and indicate what type of person you truly are and no amount of "it's fiction" excuses will ever deny that. People these days being way too comfortable and complacent with allowing degenerate behavior to run rampant under the guise of "it's fiction not real" and freedom of expression.

>>8378128
And lastly, some of these so called porn "artists " and writers are plain and simple angry bitter and jealous envious men who might as well also be plain woman hating sexists and misogynists. Men who hate women and are bitterly envious and jealous at the fact they themselves are not in a relationship but have never gotten laid as well. Why do these sorry excuses of writers and artists waste their talents skills creating the most vile and awful dehumanizing garbage that always SPECIFICALLY revolves around destroying loving relationships, marriages and family. Of course it's that simple, these people who make such garbage have never had or been in relationships, never had a romantic partner or significant other and probably have terrible relationships with their families. And it never helps that social media and pornography as a whole has validated and enabled these bitter awful human beings and normalizing the soul crushing and dehumanizing schlop they churn out en masse. After all, social media and current day culture incentivizes, rewards and even glorifies bad awful behavior these days.

>>8377579
>The proliferation of NTR is due to many hack writers/artists fancying themselves as the next Shakespeare usually just pick edgy stuff as the theme of their works. And NTR is one such edgy shit.
Actually these artists and creators will become one thing eventually one day. They won't become the next Shakespeare, but they will become the next Shadman. Not in terms of Shadman's notoriety or popularity, but in terms of being outed or revealed as being truly bad awful people who'll end up becoming criminals and felons. Who knows how many of these artists and creators are not only bad and terrible people, but have skeletons in their closets and are criminals and predators in hiding.

So many of these artists and writers likely WISHED they could enact the same amounts of sexual violence and inhumane depravity they regularly depict, write and draw.

>>8375249
Cuckoldry is a mental illness. NTR is a mental illness, no matter what type.

>>8378128
>>8378141
Your actions towards other people reflect your character a whole lot more than the media you consume, are you a psycho if you play GTA? Do morals apply only when it's about porn you don't like?

>>8378623
nta but there are different types of people that actually enjoys NTR stories.

>the red flag / real mental illness
People that unironically are serious about the cuck shit they write/draw/consume. They may not act that out irl but the way they trip over themselves to justify/rationalize NTR is concerning to say the least

>the unironic cuck/masochist
They may not usually seek act out their fantasy irl, but the kink is there. Who knows what will happen if they ever get the chance? This type is closely related to the first but one key difference is while the first type sound like coping with their mental gymnastic, this type fully embrace it. They seem to be at peace with their NTR fetish.

>the edgy
They enjoy dark stuff because it's dark. They love seeing suffering and pain. Does this also apply to irl? I'd say probably but they can grow out of it.

>the relative morality
They may not be "serious" about NTR like the first type but they "understand". That is to say they have no qualm about the immorality being displayed in NTR content. They mostly self-insert as the bull who thoroughly enjoys taking advantage of the NTR situation. Probably high chance to have fucked up moral compass irl.

>the black pilled
The world sucks so might as well read depressing stuff. Probably more demoralized than immoral.

>the just for fun
The main content being created/consumed in this case is absurd and comedic. It's more about fun than the misery. This is about the most healthy approach to NTR. Unlikely to apply NTR morality to real life.

>the fiction/reality detachment
They claim to be able to completely separate fiction and reality. Whatever emotional roller coaster they go through in fiction can be turned off the moment they are done consuming the content. Probably just jaded or desensitized people, mostly harmless but can be annoying in online discussion.

>>8378643
In conclusion, while the chance of writing/consuming NTR affecting your real life morality is low, it's not super low. Some are probably only held back by social norms and rules of law. But that applies to most things.

>>8378623
>>8378643
>>8378645
Alright how about we put it this way? There is the saying of "politics is downstream from culture/pop culture." AKA; popular shit in media and or the internet including online art can affect policy making and enforceable laws due to said popular shit that people love, celebrate and are being influenced by. So in other words is, the more the deranged /d/egen art (extremely unhinged porn genres that're getting more normalized like the rape fetish ones) are more popular and loved to the point of normalization and desensitization. People may start accepting and apologizing for actual things like IRL rapes and sexual violence to the point a woman who was obviously assaulted, covered in bruises, assault marks and has blood dripping from the genitals will not be taken seriously and told she was lucky to have a good time.

Same with NTR and all the cuckoldry and infidelity pornography. You may think "oh it's fine! It's just porn! It's not real and fictional-" think again! Look at the outside world and the amount of degeneracy and promiscuity that is normalized and encouraged and rewarded. It starts with vapid pornography, then evolves into the glorification of promiscuity and literal slut-whore behavior. And then, people including leaders and policy makers and law makers start advocating for or allowing infidelity and actual NTR scenes you see in your precious doujins to be allowed and or tolerated in real life.

That is why and how pornography is so shockingly and surprisingly insidious and effective at running ruining a society and generations. And a majority of you and everyone in this hellsite is guilty for contributing in normalizing it because of Le "it's just harmless fiction bruh!"

Remember; Politics is downstream from Culture AND my original point still stands too. Whatever you draw or write or create no matter how fictional and "not real" it is. Indicates and hints of what type of character and person you truly are deep down.

>>8378695
>People may start accepting and apologizing for actual things like IRL rapes and sexual violence to the point a woman who was obviously assaulted, covered in bruises, assault marks and has blood dripping from the genitals will not be taken seriously and told she was lucky to have a good time.
Sounds exactly like dear old Jack Thompson's alarmist arguments about video games. The thing is that there has been no sudden skyrocketing of violent crime despite GTA being available on the store shelves.
Also, your argument sounds completely absurd considering that we're living in the "western" cultural sphere, where women are held in high regard and have more rights and freedoms than ever.
You sound like one of those people who have lost a loved one to alcohol and now you're rallying against this big bad demon. There is a connection in a certain sense between booze and pornography. Many people use them and a some people can get utterly fucked because of them. Should they be banned completely because some people lack the skill to use them in moderation? I don't think so. People should be free to make their own decisions.

>>8378695
NTR has already been normalized in real life.

1.) Female infidelity is more often than not blamed on the male for being inadequate in some way, which the genre highlights. Little to no accountability is expected from an unfaithful female.

2.) Paternity fraud is de facto legal for a female to commit. To the point where a male can be knowingly court ordered to bankroll children who aren't even his.

3.) "It takes a village to raise a [single mother's bastard] child(ren)." In other words, males who are denied reproduction should willingly become cucks.

And all of this misandry is tacitly (if not openly) condoned by the anti-porn crowd, funnily enough.

>>8378733
So real life actually inspires NTR hentai? Interesting. The world could do with less NTR in both hentai and IRL though.

Is there any ntr where it's justified?

>>8379053
Probably.
You could give an example of a story where the cuck doesn't appreciate what he has, is dismissive and maybe even abusive towards the girl, and only goes through the feelings of loss when she's taken away from him by another guy.
I don't think that would make for a very popular story, because the target demographic isn't interested in that (that specific story I described would probably work better as Netori).
It likely does exist, however.

>>8375249
It's interesting to see different opinions regarding those controversial genres, both the positive and (mostly) negative.

I have to admit that although I find the genre of NTR fascinating, I am personally not a very big fan of NTR works, even the most popular ones.
I think that they tackle the topics prevalent in NTR with not enough gravitas and consideration. If anything, it often feels that the slow corruption of the female characters is just an excuse for the ever-increasing violence and degradation.
Basically, an egotistical cop out to prevent the reader from shifting their sympathy from the cuck to the heroine, thus losing the feelings that NTR is supposed to bring out.
Similarly, the ridiculousness some artists put in their works (and I mean it in a plot-sense, not scene-sense) just cheapens the entire experience for me, as a non-self-inserting reader.

Originally, this thread was started to try to identify what makes each NTR sub-genre, based on the subjective opinions of its consumers.
There haven't been very many answers like this so far, so I'm hoping some are still to come.

NTR can work based on the circumstance, but NTR by itself isn't that big of an issue. A slight hurdle to jump in your head, but the average person should be able to headcanon the story as anything else and enjoy the art. The real issue is the ever-increasing popularity of raceplay, in particular the whole bbc shit. We all know that cucks are, by definition, mentally weak people who have succumbed to the addiction of jerking off, but this whole "we niggers 'n sheeet so we better b" is fucking insufferable. Let me clue those race-obsessed faggots in: NOBODY FUCKING LIKE YOU. Dark-skinned and tanned-skinned guys in hentai have always existed; it's something that's just part of it, from just darkening MCs during sex, shading, actually being dark or tan, etc. But you race-obsessed nigger worshiping faggots just can't help yourselves in making the entire fucking story revolve around this one guy's skin color. Then they have the audacity to parade around their fetish like it's some gotcha to everyone else. People get outraged because they get tired of seeing the same "niggers are better lololol" message for the millionth time and because who the fuck outside of your mentally retarded space wants to be told that? Say what you want about cucks and their message being "this guy or group of guys are better than you" but that's indefinitely better than just starting a race war because you've exhausted your dopamine and now need to fantasize about genocide to get you off. I'm saying this as someone who was on the brink of going all in on NTS because I am more than a bit masochistic, and every now and again I'll find myself feeling more maso than usual, so I try to go get into it, but I see it's still full of nigger-tier dogshit. Nobody wants to be told that shit when they're jacking off. Hell I do like NTS alot but I just can't jerk to it so much now because of these loser kids who have to make everything about race.

TLDR: Fuck niggerlovers ruining a perfectly fine fetish.

What would it be called if the male mc and female mc were both fucking other people?

>>8379184
If they both know, swinging.
If one or neither knows, depends. If the story is more concerned with making one party feel bad, then it's still NTR. If the story is more concerned with just the sex, then it's more or less just cheating which, while it can be similar to NTR, it is not the same.

>>8375298
>NTR has excellent God tier sexy art!

Okay then explain what the fuck is this bullshit:

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/7216577?q=lowell_%28project_moon%29

Yes that is NTR art. Care to explain why some NTR art isn't so top tier and just borderline despicable and gross?

As an amateur artist/writer myself, I think NTRs unceasing popularity is far simpler to explain than we'd all like to believe. From a creator's perspective, there are any number of reasons why.
>It's dynamic. NTR can range from nonsensical bullshit to realistically serious. It could be framed more comedically, or really try to twist an emotional knife, and anything in between
>It's adaptable. You can inject NTR into any other genre and it just works the same. Harem? NTR. Incest? NTR. Straight Shota? NTR. Monster rape? NTR. All it takes is adding some scenes of a significant other crying and seething while the heroines get fucked.
>It's as simple as the creator wants it to be. It could be a classic case of Retardina gets blackmailed into sex with some generic NTR archetype, or the writer could actually spend time crafting a real story with actual characters.
>Some artist probably just draw it because it's popular
>Some might draw it out of spite for a certain series, or maybe it's the case that them drawing NTR is their own weird way of paying omage to a series.
>Often artists probably draw it because that's just what they like. They like the suffering of the cuck, or seeing a woman sacrifice everything for good sex. Or more often, gain a better life thanks to betraying the cuck. Or any other number of aspects.
>Some artists truly don't care. They make characters for the sole purpose of having them suffer, they were never meant to have a happy ending. As a creative, I know all too well how easy it is to write misery porn and keep unconciously upping the ante. It's different from reading misery porn since you set the pace and decide all the twists and short comings.
It's no secret that plenty of Jap artists make their living writing stories about women being raped in literally every way imaginable.

While I do think it's a bit telling if all an artist ever makes is the most depraved NTR and misery shit possible, that can't be healthy for you.

>>8378623
>>8378643
>>8378645
>>8379761
>As an amateur artist/writer myself, I think NTRs unceasing popularity is far simpler to explain than we'd all like to believe.
You absolutely contemptible loathsome enabling retard FUCK YOU! Why am I insulting you and implying you're a bad person!? Because YOU are trying to justify and rationalize particular pornography that is ultimately destructive and corrupting to the mind and soul! People similar to YOU are trying to justify and rationalize particular pornography that is ultimately destructive and corrupting to the mind and soul. THERE IS NO "SIMPLE HARMLESS JUSTIFICATION OR REASON" FOR THIS TYPE OF DEGENERACY.

What IS far simpler is that so called "artists", "writers" and people who make this NTR garbage are unironic EVIL fucking bad people! These "artists" and creators you are trying to defend and attempt to humanize are deviants and well hidden predators and criminals in hiding WISHING they can commit and enact the horrific amounts of sexual assault and rapes the vulnerable women in real life!!! You should NOT be defending, reasoning or rationalizing these evil people in hiding!!!

Me insulting and calling YOU and OTHERS LIKE YOU is tough love because the rationalizing and sympathy YOU AND OTHERS are giving to these "artists and creators" is THE reason why "NTR is so popular and prolific." It is people like YOU who have enabled such degeneracy yo run wild and rampant and unchecked. BECAUSE YOU WEAK-OF-HEART PEOPLE REFUSED TO CALL IT OUT AND REFUSED TO SHAME AND MOCK THE PEOPLE WHO CREATE SUCH DEGENERACY!!!

AND WHY!? Because YOU AND OTHERS are sooooo afraid to be called "kink shamers" or "vanillafaggots" and "puritans." Instead of rightfully shaming these "NTR artists and authors ", YOU ALL ALLOWED THESE PEOPLE TO RUN WILD AND RAMPANT!!!! YOU ARE ALL EQUALLY GUILTY AND AT FAULT AS TO WHY IT IS SO POPULAR! YOU SPINELESS WEAK WILLED SYCOPHANTS! STOP DEFENDING AND RATIONALIZING THESE PEOPLE!!!

>>8379823
Again and again! Politics is downstream from Culture AND Whatever you draw or write or create no matter how fictional and "not real" it is. Indicates and hints of what type of character and person you truly are!!!


YOU ARE AAAAALLL EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE AND AT FAULT!!!! THE SO-CALLED ARTISTS AND AUTHORS YOU'RE TRYING TO DEFEND AND RATIONALIZE ARE EVIL PEOPLE AND PREDATORS IN HIDING AND YOU ALL MIGHT REALIZE THAT WHEN IT IS FAR TOO LATE!

ALL OF YOU ARE EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE AND AT FAULT!!!

>>8379293
>Why do you think NTR, or extremely degenerate (violent, depressing, taboo) works often feature the best art?
>often feature the best art?
>often
>Care to explain why some NTR art isn't so top tier and just borderline despicable and gross?
>some NTR art isn't so top tier
>some
often ≠ always
some NTR art might be subpar.
what you linked isn't bad though, it's actually really good for a sketch animation.
you might not like the subject, but that doesn't change the fact that the art is good

NTR art is hot as fuck. Post nut clarity hits hard as fuck too.

>>8379823
>>8379824
I'm worried too, but it feels like it's already a step towards normalization with how much the word is being thrown around.
Like, pretty much everyone knows what NTR means now.

NTR is pretty vile in how they portray morality if you think about it. Your generic rape hentai is nowhere as bad because in those, the women usually come to love it so there's some kind of "justification" or "softening".

In NTR, however, the cuck will almost always get absolutely shafted, everything is blamed on them. They aren't even shown mercy by being allowed to move on. And NTR story will usually portray it as the good thing.

That said, the art is hot, the corruption of the women is hot. Now, if only they don't throw the cuck into the equation.

>>8381155
>Buh the NTR art is good because it's this style and that style
You stupid fucking crypto cuckold. In what fucking planet do you come from where a hanged person from a noose is sexually arousing outside of /d/!?

And even if you're not some cuckold porn enjoyer and you're just being """objective""". The guy pearl clutching above is right at this point and that part of the reason why NTR is everywhere is also thanks to fuckers like you. Maybe some kink shaming is needed and is a necessary evil if means less cuck shit I'm the world.

>>8381670
>Buh the NTR art is good because it's this style and that style
Great reading comprehension, retard. It's the second time now.

>In what fucking planet do you come from where a hanged person from a noose is sexually arousing outside of /d/!?
Y U so mad ESL-kun?
I will try to explain it more precisely, so your bona fide retarded brain can understand.
When I described NTR art as "often the best", I was referring to the way the panels are drawn - the artist's personal style, the way their characters look, how emotive they are, the composition, framing etc.
In this post >>8381155 I specifically pointed out the difference between the art and the subject of a piece of NTR media (in this case, a .gif).
The subject of a piece is what is being depicted - in the case of that .gif, it's a woman having extremely depraved sex with a man, in front of (assuming) her partner, who hanged himself because of her infidelity.
You might say that the subject is dark, depraved and generally unpleasant, and you'd be right. It's meant to be that way. You are not obligated to enjoy a piece displaying this subject.
At the same time, the art itself - that is, the way the piece is drawn - might be very good. That is the case in that .gif - the lines are clean, the frame is perfect, the animation is energetic and simply done right.

Do you understand now?

>kink shaming is needed and is a necessary evil
Using the term "kink shaming" immediately disqualifies you from being treated seriously.
It's literally used by women, faggots and "men" with micropenises to pretend that their brand of degeneracy shouldn't be widely condemned.
You saying that is simply hypocritical, because you inherently claim that "my preferred fetish is superior to somebody else's".
You are either confident in your sexual preferences, enough that you don't care about what some rando's think, or you're not (and you're not).

>>8381670
>>8381785
P.S.

I despise cheating and think that people with a cuckold fetish, no matter their gender or role in that fetish, are disgusting and don't deserve to procreate.

As much as I want NTR to disappear off the face of the Earth, more censorship and morality policing in fiction is something we definitely don't need more of.

>>8381791
Based.

>>8381785
>I will try to explain it more precisely, so your bona fide retarded brain can understand.
>When I described NTR art as "often the best", I was referring to the way the panels are drawn - the artist's personal style, the way their characters look, how emotive they are, the composition, framing etc.
> I specifically pointed out the difference between the art and the subject of a piece of NTR media (in this case, a .gif). The subject of a piece is what is being depicted - in the case of that .gif, it's a woman having extremely depraved sex with a man, in front of (assuming) her partner, who hanged himself because of her infidelity. You might say that the subject is dark, depraved and generally unpleasant, and you'd be right. It's meant to be that way. You are not obligated to enjoy a piece displaying this subject. At the same time, the art itself - that is, the way the piece is drawn - might be very good. That is the case in that .gif - the lines are clean, the frame is perfect, the animation is energetic and simply done right.

>Blah blah blah also at the same time

>>8381791
>P.S.
>I despise cheating and think that people with a cuckold fetish, no matter their gender or role in that fetish, are disgusting and don't deserve to procreate.

Pick one and only one, you crypto covert cuckold. You CANNOT justify, defend, reason and rationalize degeneracy that is NTR/infidelity "art" and "fetishes" but the same time claim you totally don't support cuckoldry and cheating personally and that you're so totally different and like them. PICK ONE AND ONLY ONE!

SEE!? This is why so much art, fiction AND fan art and fan content is such utter garbage and pure shit these days filled with the most depraved, disgusting, demoralizing and dehumanizing and degenerate shite imaginable. It's this cowardly spineless fence sitting "live and let live" retardation. Instead of properly and correctly calling it out for the disgusting wretched vile degeneracy that it is.

>>8381785
>Using the term "kink shaming" immediately disqualifies you from being treated seriously.
>It's literally used by women, faggots and "men" with micropenises to pretend that their brand of degeneracy shouldn't be widely condemned.
>You saying that is simply hypocritical

Im the one sounding like weirdo and bad person for calling you cheating infidelity fetish bad?! But YOU saying a wife or girlfriend cheating and fucking a different man in front of her husband or boyfriend is good wholesome valuable works of art just because the piece of shit "artist" did this and that brush stroke and pencil shading and Le hecking smooth 60 fps animation!? Who's the one sounding like a crazy fucking weirdo, HUH!?

The subject of a piece is what is being depicted - in the case of that .gif, it's a woman having extremely depraved sex with a man, in front of (assuming) her partner, who hanged himself because of her infidelity.

You aren't describing or defending and rationalizing some obscure classical artwork made by some lesser known Gilded Age author or painter! You're describing, defending and rationalizing a piece of vile soul crushing and dehumanizing piece of garbage drawing made by a "artist" who is more likely than not- a deranged psychopath and criminal and predator in hiding WISHING they can easily pounce on and violate a vulnerable woman I real life and effortlessly get away with it. You're not defending and advocating for individual wholesome chungus or innocent individual artists, you are defending and advocating for what are essentially the next future Shadmans in the making.

Like I said, so called defenders and advocates of horny posting under the guise of muh freedom of expression are just as guilty and at fault for why NTR is so popular and normalized and mainstream. People like YOU have normalized, incentivized and even rewarded vile disgusting degeneracy to be so normalized and put out in the open under the naive beliefs of muh freedom of expression.

>>8381828
>As much as I want NTR to disappear off the face of the Earth, more censorship and morality policing in fiction is something we definitely don't need more of.

Look, that's not wrong. But when everytime I and others call out the degeneracy and the brainrot that comes with it to be ultimately bad and negative for society and humanity in the long run. We get ridiculed and laughed at for being "prude conservatives" just because not all of us coomer brained or porn addicted. But how much more does it take until the degeneracy and horny posting goes too far to the point you cannot defend it for muh freedom of expression!? Are we one day gonna come at a point as a society and civilization where some random "artists" or creator with questionable and dubious background and mental stability one day makes and posts an awfully violent and realistic sexual assault scene where the female character(s) look disturbingly similar to some real life individuals? And what about other nsfw I have had the displeasure of running into where it outright depicts the assault of literal minors or characters who're literally minors and under age? What if those start getting posted and plastered front page in sfw establishments and sites? That is what happened with NTR and cheating infidelity porn, they became so normalized socially accepted they're now posted front and center in many places and many normies surface web sites that the average person now knows what they are. How much are any of we going to tolerate that as a society until guro and scat porn now stars getting super normalized that mainstream publications and outlets will now start talking about it!?

Really! You talk positively of or try defending and rationalizing degeneracy solely out of muh freedom of expression, you just get even MORE degeneracy not more quality and better cultured works of art and fiction! How delusional of you, all because of muh freedom of expression and not want to be called a kink shaming prude.

>>8381943
As I have said:

YOU ARE AAAAALLL EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE AND AT FAULT!!!! THE SO-CALLED ART AND DEGENERATE ARTISTS AND AUTHORS YOU'RE TRYING TO DEFEND AND RATIONALIZE ARE EVIL PEOPLE AND PREDATORS IN HIDING AND YOU ALL MIGHT REALIZE THAT WHEN IT IS FAR TOO LATE!

ALL OF YOU ARE EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE AND AT FAULT!!!

>>8381854
>completely disregards the points raised
>literally no counterargument
I accept your concession. You are retarded nonetheless.

>Pick one and only one
Why? Because (You) say so?

>You CANNOT justify, defend, reason and rationalize degeneracy that is NTR/infidelity "art" and "fetishes" but the same time claim you totally don't support cuckoldry and cheating personally
If you play Call of Duty, does that automatically mean that you wish for perpetual war, death and destruction?
If you watch horror movies, does that automatically mean that you want to brutally kill innocent people, or conversely, have a secret fetish of being flayed alive by a serial killer?
If you listen to rap music, does that automatically mean that you think there should be widespread violent crime, excessive drug use and prostitution?
If you read Das Kapital/Mein Kampf, does that automatically mean that you sympathise with communists/nazis?
No? So how come this doesn't apply to NTR hentai?
How come you can play, watch, listen to and read all that, and strongly oppose the depicted actions, were they to be made in real life, but you cannot consume NTR, and oppose that IRL too?
Do you have an actual answer, or will you just disregard that entirely again (and admit you have no actual argument, once again)?

>"live and let live"
I explicitly said that cuckoldry should not be tolerated in the real world, and that every fetish is open to harsh criticism.
You used the term "kink shaming", implying that the correct approach is NOT to shame somebody for their degeneracy, as long as it isn't cuckoldry, because you personally don't like that one.
Who's more "live and let live"?

>>8381889
>Im the one sounding like weirdo and bad person for calling you cheating infidelity fetish bad?
No.
You're the weirdo for pretending that your maggot-infested-scat-coprophagia fetish is superior to NTR, and using cop out terms like "kink shaming" as if that was in any way relevant.
I don't know if you've noticed, but you're on a literal pornography board. Pornography is degenerate in itself. If you want to start pointing fingers at people who enable degeneracy, point at yourself first.
Unless you want to tell me that akshually you never consumed porn?

>Are we one day gonna come at a point as a society and civilization where some random "artists" or creator with questionable and dubious background and mental stability one day makes and posts an awfully violent and realistic sexual assault scene where the female character(s) look disturbingly similar to some real life individuals?
This has already happened, and has been happening for about as long as recorded history goes. Allusions to the killing/shaming/torture of certain characters resembling the artist's prominent contemporary figures is likely as long as time itself.
Read Dante's Inferno to see what artists got away with hundreds of years ago. Read Machiavelli too, while you're at it, to drive the point even further.

>>8381943
>>8382355
>it outright depicts the assault of literal minors or characters who're literally minors and under age
I thought I addressed it already, but apparently I didn't.
Loli/shota hentai, where they are the, let's call it, "object of sexualisation", and are drawn/written as resembling actual children is evil.
Why? Because the person consuming this type of pornography derives sexual pleasure simply from seeing naked children, drawn or otherwise.
It's a straightforward neurological deviation, with basically no intellectual or emotional depth to it, which makes it evil.
That person wouldn't derive sexual pleasure from a complex power dynamic (and it's complex in a meta sense, regardless of how retarded any particular hentai might be), but from the picture of a child's body - that's sick.

>plastered front page in sfw establishments and sites
/h/ and 4chan in general isn't a sfw site. In fact, NTR or actual proper non-memed, uncropped hentai doesn't appear on any sfw site let alone establishment.
You are reaching.

>You talk positively of or try defending and rationalizing degeneracy solely out of muh freedom of expression
You cannot read, and possess zero comprehension skills.
If this is how you approach everything in your life, there is no point to it, and you should end it before it's too late.

>>8377556
>>Can't defeat the cock
This point is one of that could be far from real life inifidelity
There was a book where they interviewed cheating women, and the majority still lived (and said they loved) their husbands.
Also I'd like to know where does the "blackmail" theme from many ntr stories come from

>>8382555
>far from real life inifidelity
IRL, cheating is far more mundane. Ironically, in media the consequences of infidelity seem to be far too overblown.
Of course, it's a terrible thing and cheaters should be curbstomped, but most of the time the people either get over it together (kek), or split and get past it on their own (the victim, that is).
In the end, sexual and romantic relations are ultimately separate from each other, although one often leads to another.

>where does the "blackmail" theme from many ntr stories come from
Some NTR writer needed an excuse for a man, other than the heroine's husband, to randomly do horrible things to the heroine.
It had to be something that wouldn't require the cuck or the heroine to be a despicable person who could be seen as deserving of what happens to them in the story.
The rest is history.

>>8382640
But that kind of story is proeminent in asia (Malasya, Thailand, south korea are among the top cheating countries). Is there any historical source about that? I suppose the blackmail scheme must have a source in reality. Did feudal lords in japan fucked the wifes of their underlings?

>>8375249

NTR for me (basic) is Netorare(?) I think?

What's Netori and Netorase ?

Sinful Mother 1 & 2 is Netorare for example?

>>8382667
>Did feudal lords in japan fucked the wifes of their underlings?
99% yes, but that's irrelevant. Like I'm saying, blackmail is purely a narrative device, nothing else.

>>8382712
I swear it's been posted before at points but the TL;DR explanation
>Netorare: Fetishization of betrayal/Intimate theft. Can exist between lovers, friends, or family, may or may not be "cheating".
>Netorase: Netorare, but all parties are aware of, permit, and to some extent are okay with the betrayal in question
>Netori: Netorare, but specifically from the perspective of the bull or party who does the stealing.

I used to really like NTR in all forms before it turned into racebaiting crap for both sides. One one hand I'm glad I'm over the fetish because it is self destructive but on the other hand I do sometimes mourn the current state of affairs. It's a shame because it should NTR should be about the partner not the bull or the cuck but hey whatever growing old and watching things you once loved warp into something entirely different is to be expected.

>>8383347

Ok, ok thank you anon

So, Netorase is like cucking and the guys loving to be cuck (for me).

Netori seems to be a bit weird, because, each sex scene is already on the bull perspective. And humanizing it seems a bit stupid.

>>8383535
The majority of NTR is either from the cuck's persepctive or woman's perspective to instill a feeling of worthless, and a lack of power and/or corruption and a loss of innocence, and a general sense of humiliation.

Netori very rarely makes the bull out to be a good person or what they're doing to be a good thing.

Only in very rare cases is it framed as any sort of positive. As someone who generally hates the fetish, I've come across a handful of netori stories where all parties are pretty okay.

https://exhentai.org/g/2353498/4287ebec3d/
https://exhentai.org/g/1772460/c9b8b76fbf/

>>8383479
Modern NTR is a competition to see how miserable and pathetic can they make the cuck. That's pretty gay ngl.

How come cheating and NTR aren't the same?

>>8385397
They are technically the same. But NTR is usually more about the cuck suffering or how bad the cheating is supposed to be for the cuck. So if a hentai is about a wife having cheating sex with her lover but there's almost no mention of her husband beside the fact that she's married then people will usually argue against adding the netorare tag.

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>>8375249
I don't know about the other readers, but for me, the biggest appeal of NTR is what the pic related shows: the desire you (I, in this case) have to try to have better sex in bed with my wife than the other guy, and miserably fail. However, the fun lies precisely in the desire to be better, the effort to do it harder, because during masturbation this translates into masturbating more vigorously, for example. There's also the aspect of imagining the pleasure the other guy is feeling that you are not, which ultimately produces the same kind of result in masturbation.

Naturally, I also self-insert as the bull. After all, who wouldn't want to fuck a woman to the point where she's trembling all over the bed and rolling her eyes back? Even in real life, I love female orgasms, and it's something you rarely find with the same intensity in vanilla hentai.

You know what they should make? Son/Daughter NTR.

>>8385397
Because Netorare specifically is the fetishization of the experience of loss and betrayal. While this can obviously happen in romantic relationships, it's not exclusive. Stuff like BSS, where the cuck and woman aren't dating but romantic tension exists between the two, and familial NTR (Mom/Son, Father/Daughter, siblings) exists and is a thing. It's about the destruction of a relationship and focusing on the negative emotions that arise from it.
Whereas cheating just means one party has a SO, but the story doesn't really focus on that aspect. Sometimes it can even be quit positive.
>>8385448
That's a thing. That is very much a thing. There's probably a MomNTR thread up right now. DaughterNTR is a bit more rare, but it very much exists.

Disgusting, the lot of it all.

>>8385492
A SonNTR, not a MomNTR.
A Mom losing her son to another Mom.

>>8385492
>Mom NTR
Banned.

>>8377556
>Moral degeneration / Total Corruption
>The woman may start out as a nice, good-nature person but through netorare logic/magic, they become evil and mean to the cuck.
This is the top-grade shit. I'm not as into NTR for the cheating aspect of it, it's when the woman turns evil that it's really a turn-on for me.

>>8385611
Complete opposite for me. It just makes me disgusted with her. Like looking at maggots eating carrion. She could be a 10/10 sexpest and I'd sooner glass her than grope her boob.

That's really one other huge hang up for indulging in NTR. Every character is just so unlikable. Even the cuck is written to be the stupidest, most spineless tool ever.

>>8385626
>Every character is just so unlikable.

NTR is basically the fetishization of betrayal: people fucking each other over both figuratively and literally. It'd be more surprising if the characters were likable.

Am i a hypocrite for hating NTR while liking reverse NTR?

>>8376426
VR NTR is crazy lmaooo

>>8383133
>>8382667
Sure they did, but that happened in Europe as well ("Droit du seigneur" also known "prima nocta"). Lowkey I'm surprised no NTR author has written a cuck story about the European version.

>>8385494
NTS

>>8386328
No. Especially when NTR enjoyers keep saying women can't be cucked.

>>8375848
>would you say that story is more important to you than the art/scenes?
I guess it depends, because I have NTR artists saved that are just god-gifted in drawing and I use it as material, but sometimes I just look through my saved catalogue and like read doujins I have on queue, and most of it aren't even good drawings but the story sure makes up for it. So I'd say the importance of the story is based on my reason for reading this doujin in the first place.

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>>8375901
>The "I self insert as the bull!" NTR reader are pathetic liars kek
idk man its a pretty simple tactic. What can a person do if he thinks the art is fucking immaculate but doesn't wanna read from the perspective of the cuck? Just self-insert as the bull automatically.

>>8387150
Just be a voyeur who appreciates the art style, then. There's no need to self-insert if you only like how it looks.

>>8375901
vanillacucks are losing it

>>8387221
What's funny is that NTRcels use "cuck" to insult anyone else. No self-awareness at all in these cuck porn addicted SEAmonkeys.

It gets really old really fast that more likely than not every recent porn game, visual novel, manga, and animation is the same cuckold shit.

>>8388744
And NTRfags act surprised when people start to hate it.

Why does most NTR end more or less the same, with the bull and woman getting away with it and the cuck either knows nothing or suffers eternally? Is it because NTR people want nothing else but that exact same ending?

>>8388744
In my opinion, the real problem is the same as in any genre - complete lack of creativity.
"Artists" use NTR as a crutch to fake some emotional depth to their otherwise completely boring, derivative work.
I think it's similar to many other eastern cultural imports, where it was perceived as something high-quality by default, because the only media that reached the west were those that were highly regarded in Japan already.
Nowadays everything (including copious amounts of the lowest-tier NTR) reaches the west all the same, so you're exposed to just how shit the average product really is.

>>8390808
NTR == Misery
Having the bull and girl get away with it is a means to add an additional layer of injustice.
It's very cheap though.

>>8390881
>NTR == Misery
Thanks for confirming. NTR is truly at its core not my cup of tea then. I'll just enjoy the art then. It's a shame that if I want some good MILF hentai, it's usually NTR.

>>8390122
vanillacucks just can't handle the truth

>>8391614
What truth?

>>8390998
>I'll just enjoy the art then.
good thinking I guess.
NTR is kind of an acquired taste, but I don't think you can ever fully "like" it this way.
there are a few well-written doujins, but I can't name them or even say what exactly makes them better than 99% of NTRslop.
it's a shame that very few artists make alternate no-dialogue versions of their panels.

>>8392405
To me ,the best NTRs in terms of story are ones that are just dumb/absurd fun like those by Urakan, Kiliu or Ahemaru.
Or those that actually has some sort of twist like the cuck actually doesn't give a shit, or he moves on and find a better woman. Even better if the woman and NTRman gets some kind of consequences too. It doesn't have to be some edgy revenge story although some of them are nice too. But as it's established, the main audience for NTR and NTR artists generally don't like that so those stories are very rare.

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>>8390122
NTR is the law of the world. The weak should fear the strong. Period.

>>8387150
Genuinely curious as to how people like you navigate other forms of literature/story-telling

>Wow, gonna read Crime and Punishment
>Self-insert as Raskolnikov (?) (?)

>Watch The Green Mile
>Self-insert as the guard?

Why do you insist on "self-insert"

>>8393305
>>8387150
Meant to reply to >>8375901

>>8393305
>Say people who ingest cuckoldry content are mostly there for the cuckoldry experience
>This retard: "well, why do YOU self insert anyway?"
Immaculate reading comprehension. Don't try to gaslight either we are all more than aware of the target demographic and and main focuses of NTRash.
Cucks can't even be honest with themselves and have to cope by bringing up actual literature to defend their cuckoldry shut the fuck up hahahaha

>>8395283
vanillacucks are deranged

>>8386564
Don't you mean reverse NTR?

Stories where NTR backfires?

>>8397833
I'm sure they are out there. Probably rare as fuck though.

At this point, I'm convinced all these NTR threads are some psyop bot shit.

>>8375256
>Is a story in which one party knows and agrees but isn't entirely (key word: entirely) on board with the idea still Netorase?
What matters is that the cuck is on board with it entirely, and that the girl at least agrees with it. A pretty standard narrative for these stories is "cuck begs his GF for NTS play, she reluctantly agrees, ends up addicted".

>Is it necessary that one party draws sexual pleasure from the sexual acts of the other party?
>Does it even have to be sexual pleasure in the first place?
It's a fetish. It inherently can't be only about non-sexual pleasure.

>What about a situation where the party who engages in extramarital sex doesn't do it to please their partner, or even to do the exact opposite?
That's just NTR.

>Is that aforementioned required relationship dynamic even correctly stated?
>After all, a situation in which the party who sleeps with other people doesn't know that their partner not only knows about their infidelity but also enjoys it isn't impossible to imagine.
I would still classify that as NTR. Even if the cuck knows and likes it, she still didn't seek his consent beforehand.

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>>8375249
I'll repost my own wall of text from another thread, because I find this topic interesting too.

Humans have an insanely strong fairness instinct. I call it an instinct because it's not conscious, or even unique to us - other mammals, like dogs and monkeys, exhibit it. It's one of the core principles that drives us. There's nothing that makes us more furious, and thus engaged, than the idea of something being unfair, which makes it a historically powerful narrative tool. From Romeo and Juliet's undeserved deaths to The Red Wedding in Game of Thrones, tragedy as a whole is built on the concept of unfair circumstances.
And East Asian cultures absolutely adored it historically. Japan always loved innocent but tragic heroes, like Minamoto no Yoshitsune or Okita Souji, those who were betrayed and died without honor despite being paragons of virtue. For a more modern example, Berserk obviously comes to mind. This is why anime and manga often feel more powerful compared to many Western analogues - they are not afraid to really pummel the protagonist into the dirt (and thus engage the audience) before showing their victories, which is something Western writers don't like to focus on.
NTR is simply a genre of porn that plays into this. The male protagonist is always an innocent, childlike saint who never does any wrong. The antagonist is always a purely evil, all-powerful spawn of Satan. If you switch this, and have the good-natured protagonist steal an abused woman from her evil suitor, then it's not NTR, even if the entire narrative would otherwise be the same. You also can't do it without showing the good-natured protagonist, and focusing only on the woman and the rapist, even if she's married. Because it has to be unfair. If it doesn't trigger your fairness instinct, it's not NTR. And that's why people who don't have a specific fetish absolutely despise NTR, more than even gore.

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>>8398601
Interesting post. I'd like to add that one of the reasons NTR is so frustrating and rage-inducing is because there's no payoff. Authors usually set up their NTR universes to absolutely conform to the villain or have the villain in possession of such massive (pun intended) unfair advantage. A rather normal and common reaction of the reader would be wondering how the MC will overcome this or what lies beyond all the suffering. Well, in the case of a NTR story, we already know the story won't ever go beyond the fuck around part to reach the find out part.

And I get it, that's not the point of the genre and neither are NTR authors capable of or want to defeat the monster NTR villains they create. But it still leaves me wanting for just a bit more, anything different than the usual.
I'm even more interested in whether any author wants to try to properly redeem the raped/blackmailed NTR women. Defeating the NTR villain is probably a much simpler affair than restoring a female to her previous good-nature state from her corrupted cock-crazed evil state.

Why so many NTR focus so much on the cuck? Like even the bull thinks of the cuck as much if not more than he thinks of the girl. And pages and pages of the cuck jerking off alone, of course. Kinda gay if you ask me.

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>>8398952
This was actually a pretty crappy ending. She molested and groomed him since he was a kid, then they have a really long (and entirely consensual) affair, and when he finally decided to go all-out on her ass, she suddenly pussied out at the literal last second and slapped him away because muh husband. It made her look like a bitch, since she was the one stringing Deku along, not the other way around. Then she just leaves, and we're left to assume that she's gonna find an ugly bastard to fuck because it's not like her insane sex drive was addressed. Would've been better if she just joined the harem.

>>8375249
I don't know if this has a name, but I like the idea of one partner forcing the other to have sex with other people as a show of dominance. Pimping as BDSM, basically.

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>>8398601
>>8399029
These are some good points. It's like NTR is reading half a story, where you reach the "All is lost" moment in normal storytelling and then the narrative just ends and it's like
>What the fuck. The villains win and ride off into the sunset while the MC is just left suffering?

I think the only thing worse than NTR endings where the cuckshit is revealed are ones where the cuckshit is purposefully kept hidden to the MC and they're still in whatever "relationship" with the cheating woman.

Like learning that a female in your life betrayed you with some scumbag sucks, and yeah, your life might go to shit after, but in time, with effort, the MC can rebuild. Get over the cheating cunt and find happiness again, if not in the form of a relationship, then some other avenue of life.

But when the cuckshit is kept secret even in the end, they're just stuck with living with a horrible human being. Wasting their time, money, and effort on a person who doesn't care about them at best, or actively hates them at worst. A parasite. Genuinely the worst kind of human being. If I were cucked in real life, I'd rather be told at some point early on. If I found out 20/30 years later, I'm definitely killing some people.

Imagine a reverse NTR where the male mc insults the female mc as he fucks the girl bull (or whatever the girl version of a bull is.)

>>8400974
I agree. It's not only extra bad from the cucks perspective, but it seems like a cop-out narratively.
The reveal is pretty much the climax of the story - the katharsis/conclusion, without it, the story feels unfinished.

>>8401167
Wouldn't work, sadly. I'm a big proponent of genre-bending and skilfully subverting some conventions, but this could never work like it normally does.
I can see it working in a one-way mirror scenario, where the guy doesn't see his girlfriend (who he is cucking).
In general, female NTR doesn't work as well because relationship dynamics are different for men and women.

>>8401708
>Wouldn't work, sadly. I'm a big proponent of genre-bending and skilfully subverting some conventions, but this could never work like it normally does.
Which is pretty funny, because IRL men cheat more often than women.

>>8401773
>IRL men cheat more often than women.
source: your ass

>>8375249
Ignore what the people ITT are saying, cheating and NTR are two different things. NTR has always been about the cuck. It's about him and his suffering, while cheating leaves him out of it and focuses on the girl. All the people that want corruption can find it in cheating or elsewhere and so they don't like NTR, but NTR is about male misery. Picture Patrick Bateman fucking a girl but looking at himself in the mirror to get off. All we can see is her feet, she barely even needs to be there. NTR is the straight man's gay porn.

>>8401910
You can find the studies about it all over the Internet. While female cheating spiked pretty massively in recent years (for obvious reasons), men still cheat about 15% more often. It's just easier for us, men biologically are not tied to women the same way women are tied to men.

>>8401954
Not that Anon, but I don't buy it. Cheating for men isn't easier, just getting a woman normally is already hard. A woman can walk into any public space and ask every man in the room if they're down to fuck and odds are she would get dozens of takers. Conversly a man could do that and never get a single taker. Unless they went to a gay bar.

Plus women don't like to be honest about that sorta thing because of how bad it makes them look. They lie about general body counts, and you think they'd honestly out themselves as a cheater? Only if they don't value relationships at all. And we haven't even touched on emotional affairs.

>>8401983
Because having one woman boosts your chances at a insane degree.
Woman who previously ignored a man will suddenly think on their good traits if they present a girlfriend.
Woman are competitive among themselves.

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>>8375256
>What defines netorase
Cuck enjoys his partner having sex with others full stop. The moment he doesn't enjoy it anymore becomes netorare/netori. Also the POV is strictly on the cuck compared to netorare/netori in which it could be the heroine, the bull, the cuck (he doesn't like it)

>Why do you like netorase
I mostly enjoyed the voyeur POV mainly or just as an omniscient observer when consuming hentai then netorase was one genre that featured that. Maybe it's because I became disillusioned by the usual MCs who are either douchebags but get the story bends over backwards to suit them by having all the hot anime girls around him gravitate around him despite that (IE harem animes, and the MC chooses the most bland vanilla FMC) or overtly-conservative/self-righteous prick who is too nice to the hot anime girls around him that he puts them on a pedestal and shut down their advances towards him that the story unintentionally cucks me from seeing the characters be together all because of some morality/self-righteous bullshit (IE romcom animes). So that makes it hard to self-insert as those characters fucking the hot anime waifus. Or rather distaste having those characters fuck my anime waifus.
But going back to why I like netorase, the (3rd person) POV of seeing the girl you like/hot girl have sex, seeing her sexy, sultry, even slutty expressions during it is amazing, even more so because it is not (you) having sex with them yet you are able to see something so intimate and maybe something you shouldn't see. My favorite flavor of NTS is the cuckold/netorase report where the girl talks about her sexual experience and maybe even show (you) a video of her fucking and on some instances, look at the camera while she is getting railed.

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>>8375256
>What defines netori
Bull POV, by that I mean the story is centered around him and his machinations to take someone else's girl, he could succeed or not but his schemes are the main highlight of netori. But it mainly comes down to the interactions of the girl and the bull. Comes in two flavors that can either be the misconstrued as vanilla if the guy stealing away the girl is the ultimate good guy and the girl's partner is the asshole or the ultimate moral degeneration story where the guy stealing away the girl is a callous bastard corrupting a strong-willed girl or turning the shy and meek girl into the dirtiest slut.
>what constitutes stealing?
Anything that can evokes a feeling of loss, doesn't necessarily have to be a bf/gf or husband/wife, could be losing a crush to someone else, mom/sister to someone else.
>thoughts on netori?
It's enjoyable to see what sort of schemes the bull will use to try to break the girl's defenses to sleep with them. In most cases the girl's featured are usually strong-willed characters who are loyal to their partner.
Games like "hero party must fall" and "a promise best left unkept" are great netori games.

NTR where girl "cucks" the mc out of spite but he never liked her like that? Making her lose her virginity for nothing.

>>8401925
>NTR has always been about the cuck
>NTR is about male misery
>NTR is the straight man's gay porn
That's a very interesting perspective.
I too think that NTR is actually defined by the cuck, especially their inner monologue and the way they react to the infidelity.
Not sure if the allure of NTR is the male perspective, however. I'd still say that it's about witnessing the degenerate dynamic between the cuck and the girl more so than focusing on the cuck per se.
Others have already mentioned that NTR cannot really be properly shown in an upbeat manner, whereas a cheating story with a well-developed cuck can.

>>8402520
>The moment he doesn't enjoy it anymore becomes netorare/netori.
Only if the other party keeps having sex on the side, right?
>the POV is strictly on the cuck
The cuck certainly needs to be a large part of the sex scenes, that's for sure.
I also have to agree with the overdone anime tropes. I honestly don't know why they are written the way they are - it's not like the viewer wants to self-insert as an equally pathetic sexpest.

>>8402569
>the story is centered around him and his machinations
>It's enjoyable to see what sort of schemes the bull will use to try to break the girl's defenses to sleep with them.
Do you mean simply following the bull or actually learning about his plan?
I suppose that the bull has to explicitly want to "steal" a woman that's accounted for, but is the draw that they come up with (more or less convoluted) scenarios to achieve that, or that they are simply motivated to take the girl for themselves?

Thank you all again for the quality responses.

>>8386994
Why can't women get cucked?

>>8404844
People who professionally jerk off to black and white drawn drawings of women in various states of moral and physical degradation say it's because it's easier for women to get laid, as if they didn't cry over completely ridiculous and superficial things their boyfriends do or don't do.

>>8404962
>as if they didn't cry over completely ridiculous and superficial things
>completely ridiculous and superficial things
That's the thing, it doesn't carry the same weight. Women can't be cucked the same way as men.

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>>8375249
Yet another thread dedicated to NTR fags provericating and pontificating how, actually, their fetish is actually deep and philosophical and sooooooo much better than any other fetish, all in a transparent attempt to deflect the fact that they are colossal faggots who wanna take it up the ass from the bull.
>>8375518
Fucking this. I am so sick of NTR fags claiming the best art when 90% of it is mid as fuck. I can find plenty of vanilla with phenomenal art but you don't hear me screaming it from the roof tops. Also >pic related
>>8375847
NTR fags first.

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>>8387221
>NTRfags calling anyone else cucks.

>>8405219
>enters clearly marked NTR thread
>shits pants that the thread is actually dedicated to NTR
couldn't be me.

>their fetish is actually deep and philosophical and sooooooo much better than any other fetish
I don't think anyone has said anything remotely like this, in this thread.
NTR is inherently deeper than most other genres, because at its core it combines two opposite emotions, one of which should be antithetical to sexual pleasure.
This simply isn't the case in vanilla.
Obviously, there's much more slop than there are quality NTR works, but conceptually/on the meta level, NTR is simply more interesting.

>NTR fags claiming the best art when 90% of it is mid as fuck
The thing is, it's not. For whatever reason (perhaps one of those suggested by anons in this thread) NTR artists really do draw better art.
Whether it's the expressions, the frame or the way they use stark shadows - NTR art is sadly better more often than vanilla.
Who wants to see the same over-rendered, shiny, baby-faced bimbo with retarded feet for the 1000th time?

>>8405229
nta but vanillacucks are cucks by definition bro

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>>8375249
The only NTR that I actually like is
>[Buppa Studio (Taihei Tengoku)] InCha no Boku ga Suki na Ko ga DQN no Kanojo datta node Yarichin Shugyou Shite Netotte Yatta | The Girl I Like Is Dating An Asshole So I Went And Trained So That I Could Steal Her From Him [English] {Doujins.com} [Digital]
>https://3hentai.net/d/568360
I like the idea of the guy who normally gets cucked mans the fuck up and comes back bigger and better while the guy who normally does the cucking gets cucked himself. I wish it were actually longer and actually went into detail of him stealing all the girls but I want to see more stuff like this. Any other NTR like this to recommend?

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>>8405241
Projection, thy name is NTRfag
>No one is saying NTR is deeper than other genres
>NTR is inherently deeper than most genres.
At least go a few lines with out making a complete ass of yourself. True love as an emotion will always be a deeper core than what amounts to a fucking Addiction. You can't expect me to read a story about cock junkies and expect me to see it as anything other than the shallow as fuck fetish it actually is. And don't try and bullshit me with this vague as fuck shit about better angles and expressions shit. Those are just your subjective preferences and therefore, of fucking course (you) like them.
>>8405268
>Vanillacucks are cucks cause I said so
>Sign
>NTRcuck
FTFY.

>>8375901
Based and truth pulled.

>>8405323
true vanillacuck words

>>8405355
True NTRcuck projection.

>>8405371
sorry vanillacuck but you will always lose by definition

>>8405388
>By MY definition
Excuse me if I don't put any stock in a cuck definition of anything. Go beat your shrimp dick in the corner, the men are talking.

>>8399337
Fucking based.

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>>8405400
>>8405333
>>8405371
>"nuh please don't bomb me with NTR"
>the reality
vanillakeks lmao

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>>8405430
Again, projection.

>>8375249
vanilla just cant do it for me anymore but watching the self insert getting cucked is so satisfying

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>>8405430
>NTRfags: Lol, why are vanillacucks so sensitive and complaining about NTR?
>Also NTRfags: BUILT FOR BBC, SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE FUCKS BLACK MEN, NTR DOUJIN WHEN?, WHEN DOES SHE KEK THE MC?, HOW MANY UGLY BASTARDS HAS SHE FUCKED? GOD I WANT TO WATCH HER BE FUCKED BY 5 HOMELESS MEN! DON'T YOU? SHE'D LOOK SO MUCH HOTTER COVERED IN SHITTY PHOTOSHOPPED QOS TATTOOS! WHAT IF SHE HAD THE PERSONALITY OF A CRACKED OUT STREET WHORE? BY THE WAY, I LOVE NTR!

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>>8405492

How come people who self insert as the bull don't read netori? Or am i wrong and they do?

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>>8400974
I'm with you. Picrel was one that bothered me for a long time because of this exact description. I can't stand the type of whore who keeps using a man to financially support her while she sleeps with another man/men, and even forces him to unknowingly raise children which are not his.
One thing that helped me get over it was accepting the sheer absurdity of it all, but I also came up with a satisfying scenario to bring some form of closure. Like >>8399029 said, it's like a build up without a pay off, so I came up with a more personally satisfying ending. Basically I envisioned a masked intruder breaking into the home while the housewife is alone, holding her up at gun point and forcing her to make a call to the men that she's sleeping with the lure them to the house, before he systematically murders them and forces the wife to watch. He can then flee before the police show up, but not before telling the wife "have fun explaining this to your husband".

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>>8405448
>>8405492
Back to your vanillacuck cage on the corner.

Whoever uses words like "vanillacuck" is the same type of retard who pretends like they read NTR and don't self-insert as the cuck protagonist.

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>>8405640
That'd be >>8405595 >>8405430 >>8405388 >>8405268

>>8404844
It's a very biological thing. Women KNOW their kids are theirs. While for men, without DNA testing, they can only TRUST that the kids are theirs.

Being cucked is a primal fear baked into men's psyche. For women, it's only a matter of pride and feelings, like many other things for them.

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Vanillacucks can't accept the harsh reality of being a loser.
NTR is what happens when you are the class pariah/loser/bullied kid with few friends and have the bad luck of simping for the class stacy or 10/10 beauty who only sleeps with the alpha chads or uggos with a power position that bully you. NTR is just the cruel, but necessary reminder of the existence of social hierarchies.
Y'all remember Raimi's Spiderman? That's NTR, it's the most realistic take of a loser trying to conquest his out of his league oneitis. And an example of the negative consequences and incompatibilities that come to surface in case the loser gets his way.
NTR is also the final wake up call that nip mangaka and government are resorting so filthy otacoomers leave their basements, do something to improve themselves and try to repopulate Japan or else Glorious Nippon will disappear.

>>8406492
Holy ESL cope Batman!

>>8405323
>No one is saying NTR is deeper than other genres
I didn't say that. I said that nobody is saying that NTR is sooooo much better than other genres.
It might not have been immediately clear, but it's pretty obvious if you give it a bit more thought.

>True love as an emotion will always be a deeper core than what amounts to a fucking Addiction.
Addiction to what? Cock? NTR as a genre isn't about it. Or more precisely - what's interesting about NTR isn't that the heroine falls for a magic cock.
Weird that you didn't get that from my previous post, but then again, you clearly have trouble with reading comprehension.

>You can't expect me to read
I did, before that post.

>Those are just your subjective preferences and therefore, of fucking course (you) like them.
It's not about personal preference.
They are just more dynamic and more expressive.
In a medium where the only goal is to make your brain make dopamine, this kind of thing is just inherently better.
When you see another static shot from the side of the bed, or yet another a quasi-POV shot of the girl in missionary doing one of five of the same pleasure faces, it kind of loses its charm.
NTR usually has all that, plus some kind of weird skewed corner-of-room perspective and composition where the woman's face is contorted 10 times on a single page.
Of course, not all vanilla is visually boring, and not all NTR is visually interesting, but on average, I'd say NTR wins.

>>8405492
you came to this thread yourself.
nobody invited you.
nobody referenced this thread in another.
you weren't hotlinked here.
you either saw it on the first page or opened the catalogue.
either way, you came to this thread of your own volition.
yeah, the NTRfags you described are annoying, and clearly disturbed.
this thread is obviously not about that.
but you don't know that, how could you?
you saw "NTR" and a primal, lizard fear awakened inside of you.
you don't even have a girlfriend, what are you afraid of?

>>8406655
If you faggots wanted to circle jerk about NTR, you could have just gone to the dedicated thread for it. This is a discussion of the genre, so all opinions are expressed here.

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>>8406644
If you didn't read the post, you can just say. Here I'll show you.

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>>8406694
>>8406655
>>8406492
incest cock >>> ntr cock

>>8406777
Less disgusting but off topic. Fuck off to your containment thread.

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>>8375249
>tldr this thread

NTR won every battle and the war. Period.

>>8406644
NTR is visually interesting because if they don't try to be, all they have left is a cuckoldry trash fire. Vanilla doesn't have to try too hard because the fact that it's vanilla is already arousing enough for many people. That said, vanilla definitely should try to get better in both visual and writing. They just don't really have to go beyond the standard on average to be good enough.

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>>8406694
>If you faggots wanted to circle jerk about NTR, you could have just gone to the dedicated thread for it.
This thread isn't dedicated to NTR circlejerk.
The original three posts clearly ask questions about the three sub-genres of NTR.
It's obvious that they are directed at people who enjoy NTR.
Even the original image isn't overtly NTR.
You had to willingly open this thread and build strawmen.
You are the only person responsible for your own outrage.

>>8406695
Elaborate? Which part of my response didn't apply to your post?
Please write coherently, ideally on-topic.

>>8406967
>all they have left is a cuckoldry trash fire
Fair point.
If a vanilla doujin and an NTR doujin were turned into ordinary novels, the vanilla one would probably be run-of-the-mill, average-to-decent erotica, but the NTR one would be borderline unreadable.
There's a reason that text-only NTR is so much different in terms of story and delivery than drawn NTR.

Can't we stop with the shit flinging? People really get up in arms about fucking cuck porn. From the NTR people side, using vanilla cuck as an insult makes as much sense as calling a woman gay or femcel. From the vanilla people side, well, some of them do overreact since there should be no shortage of racist tirade calling Japan the cuck capital.

The problem here is that Japan really pitches people with opposite fetish against each other with the way they publish/categorize hentai.

>Tankoubon/Magazine with 1 hardcore NTR, 3 light NTR, 3 non-NTR, 3 vanilla stories all in the same publication
good luck filtering that
>some fanbox/fantia/whatever showing all the hot previews but not telling if the thing is NTR or not and you only know when you get the full version
curiosity kills the cat for non-NTR people and a nightmare for tagging

I think it will save everyone time and energy if things are properly categorized and separate but it's a pipe dream currently.

>>8406984
let it go anon, you know he's right

>>8407571
I know your both faggots and so I will continue to call you such.

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>>8407636
Nope. NTRchads will just keep winning.

>>8407571
>Let it go Anon, you know I'm...I MEAN HE! You know HE'S right!
Pathetic

>>8407850
Truly, I mean look at this>>8407736.
>>8407413
>This thread isn't a circle jerk
>The first three posts go into detail on why NTR is the thinking mans fetish.
If you want to make an argument, it's a good idea not to contradict yourself in the same paragraph. Also, this thread is a discussion thread. If you didn't want Vanillachads coming in here and violating your delicate boy pussy, you should have just stuck to your dedicated containment thread.

>>8407736
>Touhou
>NTR
rumao

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>>8407736
Based NTRbro

>>8407850
>>8407898
>vanillakeks
l.m.a.o

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>>8408118

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>>8408118
You have to be 18 or older to post here Jr.

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>>8408319
>>8408211
>still pretending
NTR is the greatest and your feelings will never matter, sorry.

>>8375273
It's hard to find a netori games. The best one usually Ntr legend.

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>>8408352
>Looking for validation and approval from the majority
>In hentai
Not the dunk you think It is.

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>>8408584
COPE

ntr will just keep winning

>Have vanilla chapter in one tankoubon
>Have NTR sequel in another
Worse bait and switch than Ima Ria actually exists

>>8409183
I wish there were more bait and switch I. The opposite direction. Here's what I'm thinking. Shrimpy school nerd and his girlfriend want to try and take their relationship to the next level but she just keeps getting cold feet. DQN bastard see this and take the opportunity to trap heroine after school and proceeds to rape her. Heroine finds out she loves sex. DQN sends video to main character.
Next chapter. Main character arrives to save girlfriend. DQN taunts him, saying the he's already conquered his girlfriend and she's not going to want some shrimp dick loser like him. Main hero tries to swing but DQN starts beating him up. But hold up, main hero aint going down. He actually manages to get some good hits on DQN. One hits DQN on the chin and he's stunned. Main hero apologizes to heroine for not saving her and promises that he's going to make her feel better. Whips out his dick and oh my God, it's a monster. Proceeds to drill his girlfriend in front of the DQN, with her screaming that her boyfriends dick is so much better than his.
Additionally, the DQN could have brought one of two of his own fuck buddies to help with the girlfriend, only for them to turn on him when they see MC's packing heat.

>>8375249
>To my knowledge, being cuckolded isn't as culturally prevalent in non-asiatic cultures.
rofl

The fact is that NTR is spreading.
The only hope I had was that Western writers would take some notes on how NTR differs from cuckolding and improve on it.
There are some, but still.
I want more.

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>>8409281
Imagine if NTR artists learn about Sparta.

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>>8409183
>Have vanilla chapter in one tankoubon
>Have NTR sequel in another
>Have vanilla conclusion in the finale
FTFY

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>>8375249
Well, here you go, I'm too lazy to split this into multiple post. Good luck with your college essay or whatever it is you're doing this for.

>>8409669
Damn thats a good writeup!

In the end, i will consume netori only. The rest is not my problem.

>>8409264
Then the gf still loses to the dick. The bf just happens to have the biggest dick. Not bad overall and it's indeed rare to have the cuck packing a bigger dong but imagine if the smaller dick one wins for once.

There's that wives swapping NTR that almost did this but it turns out to be bait and switch
>husband A has smaller dick than husband B
>husband B dick too big and causes pain to wife A instead of pleasure
>husband A fucks wife B better than husband B
>it seems that smaller dick wins but then next chapters
>husband B learns foreplay and fucks the shit out of his wife then wife A
>it turns out wife A never orgasms ever when fucked by husband A although husband A was making wife B cum just fine
>wife A gets addicted to husband B's cock
>husband A turns down having sex with wife B, becomes a willing cuck secretly watching his wife having sex with husband B
>bigger dick wins again

It's like NTR artists can't stray from the old formula.

>>8409669
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't South Korea and China even worse in this "cog of the merciless machine" thing?

>>8409669
This post is either very old, or the writer just repeated some outdated memes they heard elsewhere.
First of all, Japanese children do not "study" from 8 AM to 10 PM. Cram schools obviously exist, but they're not an everyday thing, and usually, students who actually care about their academics do this stuff at home (and those who don't wouldn't give a damn in the first place). Club activities are a thing, an extra two hours or so, but that's more like time off for the kids to socialize and pursue their hobbies, it's not studying. So you'll be home by 5 PM on average. Social life happens during lunch breaks, the aforementioned club activities, and on the weekends.
Second, no one works straight out of school. Higher education is mandatory. And that's when Japanese youths get to kick back and enjoy life - it's a rather chill, non-demanding environment where you pursue your field at your own pace, so you get plenty of time to relax.
Then you get a job, and yes, Japanese people work harder than most. Being a salaryman is not a fun time, although a lot depends on how strict your boss is, and in recent years, there has been a push to reign the whole thing in. It got out of hand during the 80s and 90s, that's when karoshi became a hotly debated issue. Death from overwork lessened since then, it's on par with Portugal nowadays.
>>8410232
China has a softer work culture than Japan, but their university entrance exam is infamously vicious, the most difficult in the world (it's called Gaokao, you can google it). It's the biggest hurdle in every Chinese person's life. Other than that, they're fine.
South Korea is just hell on Earth, I have no idea how they haven't lost their minds yet. The whole country is ruled by a tiny number of corporations that control everything, including universities, so the job market is not just competitive, it's a fucking battle royale. The life of a Korean man is far closer to what that post describes, it's fucking grim.

>>8387150
You don't understand the NTR-tard mindset.
These men are so unfathomably spineless they can't even imagine getting laid in their own fantasies.
They are actually incapable of self-inserting as the bull.

>>8387150
It depends on the NTR work really. Some are definitely meant to be read from the POV of the cuck, other from the POV of the bull/cheating woman, you can tell because in the former case the cuck gets way too much focus, in the latter he's maybe present for one page or two at best, usually towards the end. If it's particularly bad I literally edit out the cuck and some of the dialogue so that it's actually enoyable.

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Are the hardest NTR ones that depicts women closely to possible real life behaviors? Like in this one, the woman is about to marry her bf, still use dating app to fuck around anyway. It's extra when her disguise she uses when fucking around is hotter than her usual self around her bf. The bf seems to fuck around too and that's how they meet like this but he doesn't recognize her there (the only unrealistic thing in the story I guess).

Now, imagine if the bf is a totally nice hardworking guy and his soon-to-be-wife is just out at night, looking hotter than she normally is, fucking men left and right like this. Yeah, I think I'd rather take ridiculous blackmail hentai over this.

>>8407898
>The first three posts go into detail on why NTR is the thinking mans fetish.
>If you want to make an argument, it's a good idea not to contradict yourself in the same paragraph.
That is verifiably not true.
In the first post, I explained why I find NTR to be an interesting genre, considering the larger scope of pornography.
The first reason is that the prevalence of cuckoldry (from the perspective of the cuck) is much higher in Japanese/Asian cultures than it is in the West - both in their pornography and other media.
The second is that the idea of enhancing sexual gratification by contrasting it with something viscerally upsetting (the direct opposite) is just unique and counterintuitive, and yet effective - which is obviously interesting.
And lastly, because the entire genre is so subjective, to the point where its entire community is constantly up in arms about what does or doesn't qualify as Netorare / Netorase / Netori.
No circlejerk there.
The latter three posts are only asking questions about each of the three sub-genres.
If you managed to find an NTR circlejerk, you either lack reading comprehension or have a knee-jerk reaction when you see the letters N, T and R put together.

>Also, this thread is a discussion thread.
Coming to a thread and shitting all over it for no reason other than an unsubstantiated fear that your girlfriend (that you don't have) is cheating on you is not discussion.
Furthermore, it's a thread dedicated to discussion about what makes NTR, not about NTR vs. Vanilla, or why NTR is superior.
You are either a very low level ESLanon or a genuinely stupid person, which is especially ironic since you try to bash NTR as 'pseudo-intelligent', despite the fact that nobody claimed that.

>>8409281
I used 'culturally prevalent' as in 'featured less often in narrative media'.
I know that the rate of cheating might also be high in western countries, but that doesn't translate to western media.
If a character from a western story is cuckolded, it's usually to make them stronger in the long run, by forcing them out of their comfort zone and provoking them to act, and even then it appears very occasionally.
Wallowing in misery isn't as widespread as it is in asian culture (media culture), is what I'm trying to say.

>>8409264
>the DQN could have brought one of two of his own fuck buddies to help with the girlfriend, only for them to turn on him when they see MC's packing heat.
>in the NTR of today, even the bull loses to magical cock

>>8409669
Thank you for the long answer, it's one of the best replies here.
I don't know if I can agree with your conclusion, even though you are certainly right that the popularity of Netorare descends from asian social norms and customs, and also from a general dissatisfaction with this kind of robotic way of living.
If what you said about gaining satisfaction from seeing 'your' wife happy is true, then it invalidates the idea of NTR focusing on the cuck's misery.
NTR stories would likely show the cuck awakening some super-duper cuck fetish and actually enjoying their partner's affair.
I suspect that some Asian men have been buck-broken to the point that their brains try to keep them sane by turning their miserable daily grind into something they derive pleasure from.
Of course, you can only psy-op yourself so much, it's not that they are suddenly enjoying their endless hours in grey traffic, grey concrete and grey corporate offices, but it keeps them afloat.
When this type of backwards mentality is exposed to extreme misery combined with equally extreme sexual content (in the form of some deplorable low-life piping the cuck's pure cutie wife insane), the buck-broken salaryman's brain makes its owner enjoy it on a subconscious level.
I have nothing to back this claim up, however, and I welcome all counterarguments.

>>8410564
I had a discussion about this once.
Personally, I would say that yes, more realistic NTR has potential to hit harder than the absurd ones.
It seems to boil down to the fact that for a realistic story to work, it needs to be written very well, especially in terms of characters and their chemistry.
'ryona dark-skinned_male horse scat gangbang pregnancy forced_prostitution slavery' is like a handicap that allows the author to 'circumvent' the requirement for quality writing, because these tags in that context exist outside of any sane person's frame of reference, which makes the reader automatically classify the story as sad and miserable.
It's impossible for the reader to actually empathise with anyone in the story, however, because it's frankly just impossible.
The resulting feeling of sadness is therefore stunted.

I recently watched a short-form video, in which a guy told a (I'm assuming fictional) story about how his roommate was a male model, who constantly brought beautiful female models back to their shared apartment.
For whatever reason, the first guy had to stay alone with these girls for a bit, and since he is a perfectly decent person, they usually hit it off.
He said that he'd immediately fall in love with them, which is obviously an exaggeration, but you could probably say that he enjoyed these women's company as much as they enjoyed his.
Then the model guy would return, and simply fuck these women in his room, because the first guy had already done the 'date part' for him.
The first guy of course could (and would) hear everything.
Afterwards, the girls didn't keep in contact with the first guy (or the model, for that matter, but at least he got to score).

That's a pretty grounded, realistic and overall well-told story (probably works better in its original format), that evokes a very strong, unpleasant reaction.
It honestly pissed me off like few NTRs do.

>>8410644
>I used 'culturally prevalent' as in 'featured less often in narrative media'.
Which is still wrong.

>>8410633
You're overthinking it. NTR is by far the most formulaic genre of Japanese porn. It's insanely stiff, always following the exact same cliches - a girl gets raped but she likes it because cock, a girl returning home with cum dripping down her thigh, the mid-sex phone call, the bull recording sex on video, the unsatisfied girl without the bull spends her time masturbating, sex in the kitchen while she's cooking, sex in the bathroom stall, sex in front of a family portrait, etc. even the dialogue is endlessly repeated from story to story - how many ways are there for the girl to be surprised that she's cumming when she didn't expect to?, etc.
Compare that to the absolutely debauched insanity of Fan no Hitori's latest works, or how masterful Hakaba is at drawing all kinds of interesting bondage scenarios, or even how ShindoL is able to portray the most depressing and deranged rape scenarios with nonchalance bordering on parody. They work in the same genre (rape/degradation), but they're very different because they don't have to deal with the limitations on how you do it.

>>8410564
>>8410688
There's another one from same artist: [Yosiura Kazuya] Happy Days
>wife has loving caring husband who doesn't neglect her, fucks her frequently and seems pretty good at it too
>still cheats because she wants more excitement

The scary part is not about asking how realistic this is but rather about how likely this could be happening

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>>8410666
I'd say learning to "enjoy" cuckoldry is actually very unrealistic and many NTR turns that up to the point where it's downright ridiculous. That said, many NTR authors probably actually believes that.
We even have pic related
>ackshually, cuckoldry is true love

A more realistic reaction to cuckoldry, however, imo would be disassociation, turning cold and heartless.
[yasu] Ibitsu na Kankei ~Manatsu no YariCir Rankou Gasshuku~ - Distorted relationship Ch. 1-4 + ~After~ [English] portrays this very well, with the cucked MC stopped seeing women as human beings capable of love but rather walking holes.

Sometimes, I feel like NTR as a genre is a gaslight fes with many artists actually bleeding their own belief and values into it rather than "it's just porn" while trying to get you to join their camp. Terasu MC even drops redpills in his some of his works, like they are straight from /r9k/.

>>8410810
I don't know how "redpilled" Terasu actually is. To me, he looks like a schizo obsessed with BBC. Like, he hates niggers but also has a weird infatuation with them.

>>8410837
I was more talking about those manlet NTR doujin of his.

>>8410231
Sounds like fun. I just like when the guy you think is the cuck actually cucks the cucker. If he ain't packing initially, I like the idea of improving sexually and gaining confidence back. He can either steal back his girl or leave her to the streets and get a fresh girl he can fuck into obedience and love. I like a very specific kind of NTR. Everything else is just misery porn and makes me feel awful.

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>>8410810
>[yasu] Ibitsu na Kankei ~Manatsu no YariCir Rankou Gasshuku~ - Distorted relationship Ch. 1-4 + ~After~ [English] portrays this very well, with the cucked MC stopped seeing women as human beings capable of love but rather walking holes.
I just read it, and honestly, it's not any more realistic than any other kind of NTR. Angrier and edgier (looking at his other works, seems like the author doesn't like NTR himself), but otherwise, completely by-the-book. The girls are incapable of denying sex, incapable of talking to the protagonist properly, and incapable of being anything other than prostitutes. The MC is incapable of just walking in and punching someone in the face, incapable of moving the narrative, and incapable of doing anything other than seething in the background.
If you want actual stories, you gotta read the classics, like Kino Hitoshi. I always found myself reading his manga without even fapping to it because I got legitimately invested in the narrative. He's an example of a great artist who just happened to enjoy making ero-doujinshi, and he wrote in all kinds of genres, from comedy to NTR. His characters never fall into stereotypes, they always act real, or at least as real as the usual porn logic allows. The man is a legitimate writer who never settles for basic cliches. In his "NTR" story, he even made the cucked boyfriend a stereotypical dark-skinned macho while the villain is a thin, sickly schoolboy, playing with those stereotypes.

>>8410728
Did you mean to reply to me?

>>8410765
>The scary part is not about asking how realistic this is but rather about how likely this could be happening
I agree, but I think that's what I and the other anon meant as 'realistic'.

>>8410810
>learning to "enjoy" cuckoldry
I didn't mean that buck-broken asian men learn to enjoy cuckolding.
In my opinion, there's no conscious act to it, their brains simply like the misery it brings (at least in fiction).
If you refer to the MC, then yeah, it's definitely unrealistic, and it doesn't happen that often in NTR hentai either.
When the cuck is shown jerking off to a set of pictures or a video of their now-pregnant SO getting railed up the ass, it's not as a win, only further misery (he can't move on, doesn't like the circumstances but NTR logic makes him wank to inconceivable depravity).
That's why I said that 'NTR as a way for your beloved to be happy' doesn't really seem accurate for me.
>picrel
kek

>>8410837
>he hates niggers but also has a weird infatuation with them
It's always connected.
The appeal of BLACKED and the like, is that people who watch it (who aren't black themselves) automatically consider sex with black men as degrading.
They enjoy seeing attractive (often petite) white, blonde, blue-eyed women (archetypal white beauty) being roughly handled by tall, muscular, black men, because they don't treat the latter as people, only sex objects.
BLACKED as a fetish is a form of cuckoldry.
It's far more prosaic than NTR, however, because these people enjoy cuckolding, there are no contradictory feelings and therefore nothing interesting.

>>8410954
Someone name this one please.

>>8411320
Shinjin Onna Kyoushi Shinjou Yuuko (Ge)

>>8410954
>The MC is incapable of just walking in and punching someone in the face
bruh, the MC did punch the ring leader in the face. And it's certainly more realistic than the usual NTR because the MC realized the situation is already unsalvageable so he decides to shut his heart off entirely. The girl that started the NTR plan even loses in the end. She got pregnant with the MC's kid but he no longer gives a shit. Yes, the whole sex club and NTR plan is ridiculous but for a NTR, the girls are your usual NTR mentally challenged women but the MC's outlook at the end of the story is more logical and reasonable than most of the NTR.

>>8411434
>but for a NTR
ignore these words, I forgot to delete that when editing my write up

>>8410954
>Kino Hitoshi
Idk about him being that good anon. The character designs are great and the story is not formulaic, sure. But there's that one oyakodon story where the sex with the JK daughter is very lackluster compared to the sex with the mom and I felt immensely disappointed.

>>8410810
Not gonna lie, this afterword pissed me off to a insane degree.

There are countless reasons why fucking anyone willing, as a man or woman, is a terrible idea, along with the many flaws of open relationships or casual datings at both the micro individual and macro societal level.
And there are several good reasons that we shifted to monogamy that go beyond curbing the creation of incels. I'm tempted to write them all out. His mindset on monogamy is so reductive it makes me mad.

Even within this story he wrote, it's clear the woman doesn't respect the cuck despite him having some form of respect for her. When the baseball club member starts talking shit about him, she doesn't defend him at all. And the MC is not in his right mind either. He has a wet xream about the girl acting like a generic NTR slut, calling him a pathetic loser for getting off at watching her fuck other people.

Like, fuck, just write your porn and stop waxing philosophic about these concepts. There was no "love" in this story, it was just lust between a loser and a slut and the men who treat her like crap.

>>8412109
The thing that grinds my gear the most when it comes to NTR is how so many NTR artists, whether intentionally or subconsciously, basically write "and that's a good thing" in their works.

>>8395283
this

>>8375901
>this man never had a power fantasy once in his life
Really a sad write up, especially this whole "durr cope" like yeah obviously if I self-insert as a bull it doesn't mean that I'm a bull in real life. That's the whole point? Like are you retarded? Although it also doesn't mean that I'm a cuck irl either. So assuming this about anons is actually the real cope here my nigger. "uhhh be honest be honest" Yeah I literally fucking am.

>>8412196
>>8375901
Some more points:
>NTR is a male-targeting genre mostly
Yeah obviously. You know what is male-targeting about a bull fantasy? The fantasy of being mighty and overwhelming? The satisfaction of dominating other men? The satisfaction of stealing something from other men what they are dependend on?

Just because you obsess over the cuck part of this relation it doesn't mean that fantasizing about being a bull is invalid or just "cope" fucking retard.

>>8412196
>>8412199
And finally that's why the best NTR/NTS stories are where the Bull isn't just some NPC but has his own thoughts, tactics, spirit. Because the bull gets literally turned on by cuckolding like the cuckold does. You pretend as if the bull in such a triangle doesn't have agency but is just some sex obsessed guy who doesn't mind who to fuck. In reality he actually gets off from this shit and loves humiliating other men or satisfying their gf's, be better, competitive etc.

The idea that you could just ignore this whole part of this dynamic just because YOU don't understand it just shows your little understanding of what you're actually obsessed with.

>>8412196
NTA, but I have a hard time believing anyone who says they "self-insert as the bull" because bulls in these stories are almost always absolutely revolting sacks of shit, the stereotypical high school bully characters exaggerated to an extreme. If the bull is in any way likable or relatable, people wouldn't even call that NTR, they'll just call it cheating (especially if the cuck is an asshole). How do you self-insert as that?

Despite Netori and Netorare conceptually being the same thing, the change in perspective makes them quite literally night and day fetishes.

Netorare is all about instilling into the reader via the MC a feeling of humiliation, powerlessness, and a lack of understanding.

While Netori is about being desired and lusted after, power and control, and being the only one in the room who truly understands what's going on.

Women might as well be sex objects or onahole given their total lack of agency in NTR stories. No matter what they think or what they do, they play the same role. It's honestly insulting, even if there's a kernel of truth to the notion, that women live by hypergamy and that they will leave a relationship the moment a better one comes along. The fetish in particular makes women seem like slaves to their baser instincts.

And another reason NTR hits so hard is because the bulls are always scum. Tanned playboys, ugly bastards, giga niggas, fat otaku, bratty shotas....they're always written like misogynists who treat the women like shit and have to drug or rape them before they "fall to the cock" and realize how much they love good, degrading sex more than literally anything else. If bulls were stand up guys who genuinely improved the women's lives, obviously it wouldn't hit as hard. Or perhaps it would, for a different reason.

And the stories always make it seem like they ride off into the sunset happily ever after when the simple question of "What are they like together when they're NOT having sex?" Is left lingering in one's mind. The answer for the woman anyway, should be "Very unhappy."

>>8375249
I believe other anons did bring this up or mentioned it, but another mind boggling and unbelievable thing about NTR which makes you wanna question why any sane person would ever like it is the strange association and connection it has with Blacked porn. I mean it is no secret that a huge amount of NTR art and stories is 75-80% of the time going to have a literal black man be the "Bull."
Black'd porn and plenty of NTR stories often is all about big burly unattractive black dudes pounding and fucking White women and non-black chicks. But you'll rarely or never see black'd porn where it's a black woman dominating a white guy, there's never black'd porn where a black woman is cucking a white woman and stealing her white husband. Hell there's never even black lesbian/Yuri porn where a black bitch cucks a white lesbo. More often than not or never it's always going to be some cute anime girl who's Japanese being fucked, raped and prostituted to big ass giga nigga Gaijin Tyrone and Jamals. But NEVER EVER are you going to see black'd NTR doujin where it's Gaijin Shaniquas or Aaliyahs as the NTR black women fucking the Japanese anime boy Ryujis, Kentaros and Akiras. And cucking the Japanese anime girls and stealing away their boyfriends/childhood friends.
This is why black'd is one of those controversial genres that might just attract drama and negative attention. Hell, when you type interracial porn in the search bars, one can't help but notice most interracial porn in the search bar it's always black guy-on-white girl or black guy-on-non black girl action. Meanwhile most interracial that involves Asian dudes fucking white gals or Hispanic dudes fucking white chicks is fewer or outright rare in numbers compared to Black'd slop.

Conclusion? Blacked (and any NTR story where the Bull/hentai rape man is a literal negro) is basically just thinly veiled our outright blatant racism disguised and packaged as trashy porn for the lowest common denominator.

>>8412196
>power fantasy
you know "power fantasy" as a bull is similar to power fantasy as a guy that beating up homeless people or running over puppies? I mean, sure, it's fantasy in your head, imagine whatever you like, but most people would just go "why?" instead of finding your power fantasy relatable.

>>8412499
>If bulls were stand up guys who genuinely improved the women's lives
There's the Mayu-chan NTR ~Big Dick in the Big City~ by Yamamoto Tomomitsu.

The cucked childhood friend is written to be the usual spineless yet with senseless pride to confess (not that it should really matter here since both the girl and the cuck knows what they feel about each other). Then she leaves for Tokyo for university, gets straight into a sex party, about to get raped, saved by a filthy rich handsome with a six pack and, most importantly, a big dick. The chad then rapes her anyway and then determines to steal her from the childhood friend because she's such a good woman, she doesn't think of the chad as a walking wallet (more like a walking rapist amirite?). Of course, at the end, she gets together with the chad, her parents are very happy because she manages to score an obscenely wealthy husband. The cuck gets absolutely cucked.

You could see this as the bull genuinely improving the girl's life, but in a very twisted and, quite frankly, dark way. I'm not 100% sure yet but it seems that Yamamoto Tomomitsu is a woman and this is just your usual women writing where women will fall in love with their rapists because he's such a chad. The women are also absolute doormats who instead of doing their part to make relationship with the cucks (they they supposedly love) work, they just let every chads coming along sweep them off their feet instead and it will all be portrayed as the cucks' fault.

Now, is it easier to self-insert as some handsome and rich chad with body built like a Greek statue but with huge dick instead of your usual assholes in NTR? Probably. But seriously, if you are already a chad, why are you wasting your time and effort stealing some other dude's woman? Especially when that woman exhibits all kinds of red flags such as be forgiving to literal rapist while expecting the man to do all the work in the relationship?