We really need a thread to discuss the state of the industry, promising newcomers, good scenes, etc.What impact do you think Onlyfans had on the porn industry? Here it destroyed both the porn and escort markets...
>>2510831>state of industryI think the industry obsession with incest and copypasta scenes where actresses cosplay roles exclusively held by children in the real world (school girls, girl scouts, cosplays of child characters, etc.) isn't actual response to consumer demands. I believe it was, for whatever reason, pushed by the industry itself. Porn always had those categories, but they were niche and not fetishes you'd readily admit to consuming. Their push to normalize incest and the infantilization of every actress possible exclusively produces negative outcomes and expectations in mordern society.>onlyfansMore negatives than positives. At every level, tradeoffs with instant virtual prostitution ensures everyone not at the top of the pyramid loses. Women rarely make a livable wage, but if they do, it will cost family, friends, privacy, safety, job opportunities, and any hope of a normal relationship. Creators sign up for it and should know what they're getting into, but most creators join as a last resort and/or are promised wealth and freedom that doesn't exist in sex work. The consumer is hurt the least, but they're buying worse content in quality, variety, are often paying ultra premium prices for it, and are blasted with predatory parasocial relationships. Most consumers have no idea they're usually interacting with an agency. The agency has no obligation to disclose that and WILL lie about it if asked. Hardlocking content at 720p, lower framerates, upload size limits, and incentivizing creators to charge access to both their feed AND each drop is bad for the consumer. Nothing is incentivizing a good product so it often isn't. The website is horribly optimized and needs a redesign with more options for the consumer. Creators spam ads for other creators 24/7 which is annoying to navigate or keep feeds tailored to personal interests. That's just the basics. Overall, OF is designed to make slop for losers with disposable income.
Octavia Red is one of the few new pornwhores that is actually beautiful. Looks stunning in some scenes.
>>2510831New american anal actress that everyone should check right now:-Sadie Summers, OP's milf. Killer body and attitude. Got her first gangbang released today and she takes 8 horse cocks easily-Ivy Ireland, gorgeous natural brunette that got an anal scene with Lexington Stelee released a few days ago-Cheerleader Kait, blonde natural. Got a great anal BBC scene released a few days back on BangbrosThese are all doing hard anal with horse dicks from the start, so they are serious unlike all the other american pornstars that have over a decade in the business without a single anal scene.
>>2510893Ultimately, it's the consumers that enable the bar to be set so low. 10 years ago, having a successful porn career meant signing for a studio that had technically competent film/editing crews and the resources to get lots of big names under one roof and organize all kinds of wild sex stuff that doesn't just happen organically in the real world. This was a win-win-win for studios, performers, and consumers alike, because it meant that the most attractive and enthusiastic stars had an incentive to keep coming back to the high-end production houses like JulesJordan/EvilAngel/Vixen to shoot in-demand hardcore content regularly and have it released as a polished, attractive product. The problems began once girls started realizing they could make similar money to what they were earning through the studio system by self-releasing low-effort "shot on iPhone" content and cutting out the middleman. If a girl does a few months of pro scenes to get her name & face out there, she'll almost invariably accumulate enough simps to give her an OF cash flow in the thousands of dollars per month, especially if she starts pulling the "chat with me for $3 per message!" and "$50 dick rating" schemes, which leaves guys who just wanna open a tube site and find some well-made HD clips of a girl even worse off at the end of the day.And let's not even get in to how beauty standards have all but disintegrated as a result of this trend. Another perk of the studio system was that you had industry veterans who were (mostly) porn consumers themselves behind the camera telling girls that green hair and septum piercings don't have mass appeal, but on OF, those same girls have nobody to insist that they try to actually be attractive for a shoot, and if they do wind up ruining their "conventional" good looks, they'll just pivot to marketing to the hordes of guys who simp for alt-girls or slampigs and continue to rake in the money at the expense of regular porn connoisseurs all the same.
Since its most likely that most of the porno sites in USA will be blocked soon how will it affect the porno scene?
>>2510972To be fair, they're all self blocking access. Media and the industry are calling it a ban, but that's not accurate. States are requiring you to prove you're of age with a real ID. Still absolutely a terrible idea and only sounds good to people that have no clue how stupid it is to put your whole ass state ID into an online database that's stored with possibly millions of others in one convenient location. So instead of being forced by the government to collect IDs of their users, these big sites are cutting access. As much as I hate to agree with porn of all things, they're making the right call. If the most predatory money hungry industry willing to shut down access to their sites by the millions to protest a bad law, it's actually pretty punk rock of them. Porn is almost entirely negative for children. There's nothing it creates for children that's real and valuable. They SHOULDN'T seek pornography (though many do and always will) and should be discouraged from it. But again, anyone giving their most specific and sensitive ID info to a database that even the site owner has been actively against even creating, is significantly more dangerous than catching your kid searching for "boobies and girls butts" on their tablet. There's 1,000 things states could advocate for and provide educational options that don't require any wasteful and dangerous laws to be passed. I think these laws will do virtually nothing at best and will more than likely have very negative outcomes for everyone the law applies to. I haven't and never will lose sleep over BigPorn being crippled by these laws, but Government regulation to porn acess is goofy and misguided as fuck. This is NOT the way to keep your children safe from accidentally seeing Rebel Rhyder's prolapsed asshole being pissed on. Most of these worries and fears from lawmakers can be mitigated by parents being actively involved with their children.
>>2510895agreed, she looks like taylor swift sometimes which feeds my need to see Tay get wrecked by bbc
>>2510999>is significantly more dangerous than catching your kid searching for "boobies and girls butts"you're missing the long term affects though. easily accessible smut literally leads to bigger problems like mental illness and population decline. porn was used for demoralization to losing sides after wars and you only need to look at japan and the US to see the effects of oversaturation of porn
I don't really see much in the industry that appeals to me anymore. Even concepts that could be interesting are fucked up and not implemented properly. Vixen, Blacked etc. have managed to shoot high quality videos, but the videos themselves are also very boring. And Onlyfans is actually all garbage too.I don't think any video has made it into my favorites list in the last 5 years.
>>2510999Rebel Rhyder is currently the best pornstar in the world, but no one talks about it.>>2510895She has the body but will forever do glam porn, sadly
>>2510899>These are all doing hard anal with horse dicks from the start, so they are serious unlike all the other american pornstars that have over a decade in the business without a single anal scene.In order to have the longest possible career in the porn industry, you should give as little as possible to the fans, otherwise there is nothing left to top. It's like a movie that shoots out all the action in the first 5 minutes. If a new performer shoots a bbc anal gangbang within her first month in the industry, that's exactly the case.
>>2511027>If a new performer shoots a bbc anal gangbang within her first month in the industry, that's exactly the casedo you think the new "stars" should play the "never gonna happen" long-game, like jordyn jones is doing?...
>>2511025>Rebel Rhyder is currently the best pornstar in the worldexplain.
>>2511019>but the videos themselves are also very boringthey have absolutely no vision anymore. a similar example is a woman taking over star wars. they are at the big-boy table with no idea what to do there. >"guys like THIS in porn, right?... no? well it's for women now, anyways..."
>>2511027European pornstars start with anal and have long careers, the "holding on anal" BS is purely an american thing
>>2511032That was simply the classic marketing tactic. The fans usually want MORE (or harder). And you have to offer them that. You start your career with bikini pictures and end with bbc-piss-anal gangbangs and try to delay your market success as long as possible.
>>2511044This is more of a recent appearance. And I agree with you that many euro studios (like legalporno) are currently doing this. But I would say that they do it to stand out in the scene, so as hard as possible. I can't yet say what effect this has on the careers of these girls.
>>2511044>>2511045thats actually interesting, in sports we want the athlete to peak as soon as they step on the scene, or even the singer to drop hits all the time. why is the pornstar's expiration date based on how slow they degrade?
>>2511048I simply don't consider a pornstar that doesn't do anal a "true" pornstar.For 100% vaginal sex I have my wife, porn is supposed to be fantasy
this was my favorite scene to come from a major studio this year, post yours.
>>2511049I agree. I think a pornstar who's only value is what hole she progresses to next is just a boring pornstar.
>>2510941I actually agree with you on all points except the last one.I think it's great at OF that I can also see hipster girls with nose rings and armpit hair, which are/were rare in studio productions. Then you had those bimbo blondes with silicone breasts too often.
>>2511061>I think it's great at OF that I can also see hipster girls with nose rings and armpit hair, which are/were rare in studio productions. Then you had those bimbo blondes with silicone breasts too often.This is why I think Joanna Angel is one of the biggest ironies of internet porn. She started her studio for that exact reason (allegedly). She was sick of only seeing porn of bimbos with fake tits and blonde hair. And now...she's a bimbo with fake tits and BLACK hair. She's still hot even at 44 imo, it's just kind of funny. She went from being the outsider, trying to break away from the porno "type" to doing the exact same thing: same poses, same attitude, but with more tattoos and a bottle of Manic Panic.
>>2511061Everyone deserves to have something that satisfies them, but in my view the balance has shifted WAYYY off from where it should be. Kendra Sunderland is the most blatant example of what I mean. She didn't need professional porn shoots to keep her career afloat during the years she was away from Vixen, so she had nobody to stop her from changing up her look dramatically to the point where I feel like she alienated most of her OG fans (myself included). A decade ago the version of her on the right still would have had a career, but she wouldn't have been able to supplant girls that look like the version of her on the left as the headliners for AAA studios. There was always a trend of girls getting progressively more bimbofied/tattooed/hipsterized as their careers went on, but instead of them taking a hard turn after they hit 30, nowadays it seems like being "fresh-faced" falls out of fashion past age 22.
>>2511136You are right a lot of these girls sadly got plastic boobs after some years in the industry.I would say its a trend in all of media that everything is more extreme. They will do a bbc piss gangbang after 2 years in the indrustry, that used to happen after 15 years in the industry. And a lot of them also get bimbofied waaay faster. Harder, Better, Faster, StrongerIn my opinion, onlyfans is also accelerating this trend, as you have to stand out in this huge market by doing something crazy. Last year the OF girl went through the media claiming to have slept with 100 men (in 24 hours). I bet we'll see a lot more crazy things in the future.
If I made an element server for general porn discussion/sharing would anyone join or be interested. No trans or gay shit.
>>2511143Waiting too long to do anal/DP/gangbang is a huge mistake since most newcomers quit very soon or become irrelevant.See Melody Marks.
>>2511156I made a server!jINkRJfehdLpqBFaEQ:matrix.org
>>2510831>What impact do you think Onlyfans had on the porn industry?the negatives far outweighs the positive. bunch of lazy, handheld cam, pov onlies. the brainrot whores that only fucks niggers, the rise of simps. Not to mention the money these fucking whores raking in.
>>2511167> the brainrot whores that only fucks niggersWhich ones? Just so I know who to avoid of course…
>>2511161Like someone else already wrote these days studio porn gets mainly used as a plattform. Meaning they do 3-4 studio movies to get their name out, and than go over to sites like OF.
>>2510831Current American porn is shit because the girls are treated like princesses and not like whores, many do not let themselves be creampied, they do not lick asses, they do not drink urine, etc ... that is why the scenes are boring, I personally recommend German, Brazilian and especially Japanese porn (only amateur the professional is garbage with condoms and fake creampies), in those countries the whores, are whores almost always get creampies, they record porn 9 months pregnant multiple times, they suck asses, they piss in their mouths, they have orgies with 20 or more guys easily and even eat shit or vomit, they are basically sex slaves, American porn and most European porn can't compete with that, Onlyfans does damage the industry because there the girls are absolutely boring the same page prohibits the best fetishes and the prices are absurdly expensive, you should only consume leaked onlyfans porn if you pay are you a millionaire or a fool, some recommendations from good producers of Porn that I like are spermastudio, ggg, fc2market, heydouga, Putalocura, gachinco and similar sites, anyway if you like a girl from onlyfans try hard to convince her to sell you material outside the site with stronger fetishes, many accept for a little more money.
>>2511009Porn is terrible. There's virtually no benefit to society. I agree with you. I'd rather it crash and burn because I'll never stop consuming it and my brain's already fried. Being a latch key kid with a computer in my room, internet acess, and kazaa fried my brain into mush. I'm just lucky my childhood porn obsession was locked behind 46kbs/sec download speeds per 150+MB file. Modern porn addicted youth with current tech bums me out. And yet I'm still avidly against the government forcing a company to provide systems against their principals that also compels US citizens to choose between risking their identity to fraud and theft or being firewalled from an otherwise totally legal and previously free to access product. Our government shouldn't have that power. Porn may be one of our larger cultural/societal threats, but the federal government will absolutely find ways to make a porn access ID system as invasive as humanly possible. Starts at "this will save the kids'" but it leads to requiring the ID for everything "for your safety and totally NOT for fed surveillance!" >>2511025Speaking of porn being terrible, DUDE, I fucking love Rebel Rhyder. I'm guessing she isn't bigger because she may be kind of alternative or niche in her style/look, possibly her catalog often borders on obscene body horror, or maybe that she didn't come around as early as she could have. It's not everyday a pornstar will intentionally prolapse her anus to make a target for half a dozen dudes to piss on. Even fewer would do it with a smile.
>>2511048Anal used to earn actresses a lot more per scene. Gianna Michaels held off on anal until one of her last mainstream industry shoots, mostly because she doesn't like it, but also because it was her #1 request throughout her whole career. In an old podcast she said that scene was an insanely huge payout. That also helped buy more time in the industry back then. The FOMO kept people coming back and staying around. The longer Gianna didn't do anal, the more valuable her butthole became kek. Nowadays it's practically an expectation to do anal right out the gate, and do it regularly. It's less valuable now because it's moved from a niche forbidden fruit thing to being more common than sliced bread. You're at a disadvantage now when you don't do more wacky shit. It's crazy in my brain knowing I can find almost every actress I want pretend to love drinking a gallon of piss, scenes where throwing up is a part of the act, and I even unfortunately stumbled upon a Cory Chase scat scene once. That one ruined my whole fucking day. OnlyFans bottle necked BigPorno talent when individual performers now compete with each other as well as with a pool of millions doing it at home for free with their phone. Which also sucks to think about. Between 2% and 4% of the American female population has created content for OnlyFans. Nearly all fail and delete everything within months, but that's still tragic.
>>2510893 Porn is mostly useless and I started with parents bootleg VCR tapes. Latest 1970s stuff with funky soundtracks. Girl next door type pics here are better. Something realistic. Milfs. etc.
>>2511188You're joking, right? All due respect, but I have a pretty broad taste in porn. I like a lot of stuff. So when I say I can go to my site of choice right now and find at least 8 /10 of my favorite legit pornstars drinking liquid gold - or at the very least, being peed on, it forces me to hard disagree with you there. I guess you could be correct if you include non-traditional pornstars, but I couldn't bet on what indie creators will do. They don't operate the same way. The Legalporno, Analvids, and Pissvids studio has pissed on the face of every mainstream actress in my top 10. Possibly top 20. Gangbang Creampies is a studio focused specifically on their namesake and Ive seen quite a few American pornstar royalty figures take in a few dozen loads. Maybe you should invest in doing some good old fashioned field research. One handed of course.
>>2511216Before my time, honorable ancientfag. Though my earliest porn experiences were hiding a couple old magazines. Old enough for all of the models to have pubic hair. Good times.
>>2510895I think if Octavia started when she was younger then she would have been way more popular. It looks like she didn't start doing porn until she was around 24, but by that age a lot of girls have already been chewed up and spat out and retired. Octavia will be 30 next year.
>>2511136Kendra said she was hooked on xans for like two years a few years back, that's when she got all the extra tattoos. Plus I think she got arrested last year for marijuana possession or something like that.
>>2511218There are very big differences between the studios you mention and the ones I mention, in the American ones that you like, the girls only have sex with handsome guys with giant penises and the United States has a fetish with black men that is too deep-rooted and that is already tiring (if you walk around b/ you will realize what I am saying), in Germany spermastudio, putalocura in Spain or Knightvisuals in Japan for example the girls are basically prostitutes they do it with horrible guys, 300 pound fat guys, 80 year old men, guys with micro penises, the occasional nigga (but there it is not the general rule like in the USA), Assylum also reaches the level that I like, for example Anastasia Rose licked asses and drank urine from a horrible fat guy who ejaculated violently in her anus, that was cinema, another good example was defyxxx in Holland where girls with angelic faces like Luna Rival were violently ejaculated in the anus and urinated on the mouth, but I'll give you a point even though they abuse a lot and repeat scenes with niggers Legalporno has good girls.
Legalporno is dead. Giorgio retired, another guy took over his studio but cant keep daily releases. Gonzo is dead. Colombian studios are dead and now Yummy took over shooting the colombian girls. All Russian studios are dead, Erika kourt relocated but can't release daily scenes. Only Brazilian based Yummy is left consistently releasing daily scenes, but their female cast is not that great.What killed legalporno:1)paying per scene instead of subscription 2)forcing DAP, gangbang and piss as the standard which massively shrank the female actress poll3)allowing every type of garbage amateur porn to be sold on the platform at premium prices hurting your professional studios4)gay and tranny porn on the front page that you couldnt avoidPure greed, I'm sure the people on the top retired as millionaires but the customer now can't access scenes he paid for.
>>2511256Agreed on all 4 points. Even though I was a cheapass and could usually just bust to the trailers, the site became unusable a few years ago. In many ways it was a good thing. I'd gotten gradually accustomed to TAP piss drinking gangbangs, so when I had to actively look for that kind of thing amongst the gay porn and the 240p amateur stuff in godforsaken South American bedrooms, it was a reality check. Helped me realize how far I'd gone down the goonpath. Now I'm back to good old "amateur" creampies and threesomes.
Thinking of saving up to hire on of my favorite pornstars as an escort for vacation this year. Is this worth it?
>>2511225It's funny how she has that level of self-awareness about how her addiction impacted her decision-making, but then she keeps on doing the exact same dumb shit with her body that she says was only ever because of the pills.
>>2511294There is an escort/prostitution/monger thread anon. Go there
>>2511283I kinda wish legalporno would go back to its roots: deep anal penetration with horse dicks, DAPs(if the actress can actually take it) and gangbangs must be something sporadicEuropean porn was always superior to American porn in both hardcoreness and actress attractiveness
>>2511310Agreed, they even have better BBC's
>>2511256>>2511283I actually have nothing against gangbangs and piss videos. And they also had some pretty girls. But at some point their stuff just got ridiculous for me.
>>2511321Piss breaks the scene momentum and is a nice paraphiliaGangbangs have too many men so it becomes gay after a while since i don't want to watch dicks and men buttsAnything above DAP is a circus actLegalporno basically became the same handful actresses doing the same exact scene, no wonder it died
>>2511051>Threesome>no DPlmao
>>2511352You're asking for anal from Blacked/BlackedRaw these days? How else are they supposed to justify the existence of Tushy?
>>2511355The other non tushy sites do have anal scenes from time to time, but a porn threesome without anal/DP is a waste of time.
>>2511355I guess the most recent Blacked Raw anal scene was Little Dragon's scene with Jason Luv in October 2023.
>>2511211>OnlyFans bottle necked BigPorno talent when individual performers now compete with each other as well as with a pool of millions doing it at home for free with their phone.And the consequence, sadly, has been extreme rent-seeking across the board. Onlyfans (and sites like it, e.g. Manyvids, Clips4Sale, Fansly, Loyalfans, etc) might not be such a shit deal for consumers if only producers were willing to consolidate all their content on one page, under one subscription. Except unfortunately for everyone, if you want to get ALL of your favorite performer's content, you need to subscribe to at least two of those five I named, AND likely pay for PPVs on top of your subscription, AND likely do the same for their friends'/collaborators' pages depending on who gets the "exclusive" release rights.Disciples of Desire is a perfect example of this type of greedy behavior. They have their own page, but Jax Slayher is their main male star and 40% of the content they produce with him goes to his site, 30% goes to theirs, and the other 30% goes to the female stars. So now just like how people are back to square one with zero money saved paying for every streaming service compared to cable, guys who want to sub to even just one or two of their favorite girls get fucked as hard as if they were paying for a year of content from a studio with loads of filler they didn't care about.
>>2511364Onlyfans destroyed the porn industry
>>2511376In a way I don't blame the girls for flocking to OnlyFans because of course they were getting fucked over by these porn studios. In the same way that musicians get fucked over by labels, or cast and crew get fucked over by film studios. Look at Hollywood where a movie can make a billion dollars but the studio can pretend the movie actually somehow lost money so that they don't have to pay anyone any royalties, etc. Now imagine the shit they'd come up with at a porn studio just to fuck you over for crumbs. Why go through all that bullshit?
>>2511388Pornography always existed to raise the actress' rate when she escorted. Onlyfans took that out so porn now only exists to increase the actress' profit on the platforms.Of course, there will always be some that do porn for the sex above the pay, those are the true pornstars. Rest are just lazy overpriced escorts...
>>2511027>In order to have the longest possible career in the porn industry, you should give as little as possible to the fansGood luck making a name for yourself in the first place if you do this. There's plenty of girls who became successful because they did pretty much everything their fans requested and got known that way. Once they've acquired a fan base they can be much more selective and still earn a lot.
>>2511326yes circus act is the right word here.i just enjoyed these studios when they filmed a bit harder gangbangs and anal scenes with some of my favourite girls.
>>2511547Yeah prime legalporno was about hard and deep anal with monster cocks, now it's a gay studio
Milf connoisseur hereThe incest fetish has completely destroyed the milf genre. Majority of milf porn nowadays is some psuedo incest step-mom bullshit. The milfs are all plastic bimbos who are bogged to hell. And the young guys are all disgusting zoomer mutts. Milf porn in the 2000's was a hot yet normal looking older woman that you expect to see out in public. The guys were just normal looking young guys. Majority of milf sites skipped a story and had a basic premise of a guy out on the prowl looking for an older woman to fuck. (Milf hunter, milf cruiser, milf seeker). If you wanted a story, there was my first sex teacher or my friends hot mom were the milf just played the role of a teacher or friends mom or neighbor. Now its just young mutt zoomers doing some weird incest cuck shit. Its a shame Mompov has been shutdown. Waiting for a spiritual successor.
>>2511559What a milf, holy shit
dont sleep over ruth lee,she is the new emily willies
>>2511621Nice, already doing anal.
>>2510831The entire sexual marketplace has just become very efficient in the last 10 years, unfortunately. It is harder to have casual sex, get a girlfriend, hire an escort, etc. Buyers and sellers are more easily connected than ever before. A decent looking girl can be on bumble/hinge and have 10 dates lined up with good looking guys in a day. You gotta be good looking and/or have a decent amount of money on you to have fun in this world today. Its just what it is. A good looking whore is now $400-500 minimum too. It aint 1982 anymore folks.
>>2511352They had a threesome recently with Scarlett Skies called "Double Creampie" which only had one creampie, absolute hacks
>>2511765Casual sex is still easy, there aren't enough chads for all women 6/10 and underProstituion is pretty much over since the young attractive women are out of the market now. The only ones left are the milfs
VR Porn has been the only thing that has wowed me when it comes to porn. Everything else is just set up to be a money sink if you're a gooner. VR porn actually seemed worth it but I feel like it peaked at times and never got back to it's glory.
>>2510899Sadie Summers used to perform as Tobi Pacific in the 2000s and did anal/dp then, some of her best work
>>2511918Yeah, she looks amazing for 40. This year she will do DAP for sure.
>>2511559those fags at girlsdoporn really ruined iti thought mompov was totally cleared though, did the dude just give up?
>>2511828Any recs on good VR content? I bought a headset recently but cant find anything that has "wowed" me.
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