Initially, came the first wave of humans to the indian subcontinent, the now Aboriginals, who still remain in the form of Munda tribes in the eastern part of India and gave us the Bhimbetka cave paintings that is earlier than the one found in France; one of their branches went south to Sri Lanka to form the Veddoid. But, the majority of the branch went onwards as is the Aboriginal way. Next came the first settlers, now contentious amongst the Indic community is that these settlers were from the Northwest of the country and thus simply migrated inwards, whatever be the case, the rise of the Harappan civilisation occurred, which had roots in many places in western and eastern India, not merely in the nation of Pakistan.During this time, the Indo-Aryans came in, important to note is that the original term Aryan referred to only 10 families, 9 priestly classes and 1 kingly class who were victorious in the Dasarajanaya Yuddha (the battle of ten kings) which is mentioned in the Rgveda. This kingly class was known as Bharata and the name of the king who was the victor was Saudas, and thus modern India is also referred to as Bharat. The losers of this battle were chiefly the Parsus, the predecessors to ancient Persians, who had to leave the land and migrate westwards, away from the protective sphere of the Himalayas, the Gathas(holy to ancient Persisns us written in Avestan, the sister language of Sanskrit) and considered to be the other half of the Samveda.
This is important because at one time the Bharatas were losing and they requested assistance from the Ikshvakus, the family of the venerated Lord Ram, and fir their assistance they named them Ardha-Dev(half gods), but not Aryans, because that term was reserved for only ten families. This war is also important as the schism between the Devas and Asuras grew, remember Asuras are old gods, concerned primarily with maintaining cosmic order, and Devas are new gods, but after this war, Asuras and Devas were frozen in their role depending on the side of the border. Another point which the Avesta mentions is the Angra Mainyu who is a prime opponent, that is simply the priestly class Angiras, from which the advisor of Saudas had come and replaced the original advisor who was of the a very storied class, the Bhrigus, who were innovators and came up first with the rituals of fire worship. India then was known as Jambu-Dweepa(the land of the Jamuns).History is not settled completely after this point, the next story picks up in the eastern part of India, where owing to the river Ganga, the king Ajatshatru of Rajgirh united many kingdoms under one rule, which previously had been divided into 16 provinces known as the Mahajanpadas. The kingdom of Nanda, then Maurya coinciding with the rise of Jainism, Buddhsim, Ajivikaism has long been told; you can imagine the eastern part of India as the Greece and rome for Europe, it gave rise to the first empires, and formed the basis of societal and cultural way if life, it is widely accepted that the mores followed today had been fixed during the reign of the Guptas in the 4th century, castes had hardened and the way if life was pretty much fixed.
Before, there was caste mobility and wss dependent on the work which one was employed in: even then it is not unheard that castes which were previously considered lower are now considered forward, the process was, new group come in, you get accepted in the fold at the lowest level and work your way forward, many were dissatisfied with such a slow process and thus the earliest concerts to religion outside the fold were chiefly traders and farmers.During this time, the spice routes were established and the southern kings of Chola were successful in forming their own kingdom in Indonesia, called the Sri Vijaya Empire. By the start of 8th century, Arabs were in the state of Sindh, which is now in Pakistan. Pakistanis actually consider the landing of Mohammed bin Qasim on the lands of Sindh to be their founding day. Anyways, for the next 3 centuries, the gates of Kabul were held by the Shahis, of Turkic origin but violently Hindu, these gates are the entry point to the Indian subcontinent and throughout history had been extremely focussed on, even till this day you can find Pakistanis speaking about their strategic depth by opening up this pass to the highest bidder. In 1191, at the battle of Tarain, the Hindu king Prithviraj Chauhan defeated Md bin Ghori, but spared his life, but was defeated and maimed the following year by him, till today, politicians who are magnanimous without understanding the gravity if the situation are referred to as Prithviraj Chauhan. This started the Delhi sultanate, popularly, but actually the Mamluk or slave dynasty, the first Muslim kingdom in India.
During the early days, the kingdom was threatened by the Mongols, who had disbanded into multiple groups following the demise of Genghis. They attacked but were defeated under the aegis of Mallik Kaffur(a convert and popular villain of many atrocities on temples and sthalas in medieval India). By the time Babur came to the scene in 1526, the then rulers of Lodhi were spent and fractious, Babur had no difficulty defeating them and establishing the Mughal dynasty, though he died in 1530 in a library mishap. His son,H umayun was hounded out of India by an Afghan, Sher Shah Suri; by this time, there was a sizeable presence of Turks, Afghans, Mongols(the other central Asians) and kaffirs(converts), and they had their own political dynamics. Humayun stayed with the Shah of Persia his entire life, little better than a beggar. With Sher Shah's untimely death, Akbar came to India, down the line stitched a coalition with the rajputs and created an empire. For 3 generations this held, but after the death of his descendant Aurangzeb, the kingdom was rapidly divided, the royalists (of a sort) went to the Deccan regions, where Aurangzeb had spent many years warring and established the Nizami in Hyderabad, c.1710.Various actors were on the scene now, the Marathas were ascendant, during the third battle of Panipat, 1761, they were the ones representing India(*) against the Afgans under Ahmed Shah Abdali, while the sultan of mughal was under their protection. Their loss in this battle, and the victories of the EIC in Plassey in 1757 and Buxar in 1763 made them the top dog(as it were). The EIC relied on native troops, a method that was actually made by the French, who were the first to arrive and seize some Indian territory, but they eventually lost to the British. The natives were predominantly Purbias(eastern rajputs) and bhumihar(landed brahmin), as this was the region the EIC was settled.
The remnant of the Muslim rule fell to infeuding and avarice, with the last of Shuja-ud-Daula, who had the command of eastern India, modern day Bangladesh. The British initially were in only for the money, Clives position 1765, but they started with administrative oversight with the Zamindari rules(landowners) in 1791, 93, by Wellesley. Bentick made India a crown protectorate in 1833, separating the Indian administration from the EIC, Dalhousie, the next was keen on expansion and coerced the rulers to sign many treaties that offered them British protection, but they could not maintain any arms themselves, and not recognising heirs chosen by the ruling families, many kingdoms were thus taken in the fold, the remainder, the protectees, became the exotic "Rajahs". During 1857, the soldiers revolted as the new cartridge was supposed to contain both cow and pig fat, which they had to tear with their teeth, which was not amenable to the hindu and muslim forces. They were defeated with the help of Sikhs, rajputs, and the theory of martial races was born to keep the original forces from the east away from soldiering options. Many communities, both in India and Pakistan today have just this theory to keep from killing themselves at night.
By this time, the Indian National Congress was formed in 1886 by Alexander O Hume, a British ICS, to keep the dissenting voices contained. Many of the earlier leaders were concerned with petitioning the council, framing opinions and writing opeds, though there were some radicals. In 1905, Bengal was divided into eastern and western, mainly muslim and hindu parts, as there had been violent opposition to some act by the council, perhaps the vernacular act, I do not remember. The Muslim League separated from INC in 1907 surat conference, and would go on to separate Pakistan. Gandhi was brought in from South Africa, he bent the knee to muslims in the 1917 pro-ottoman rioting in india, a position that the Turks themselves were uncomfortable with. He started the civil disobedience in 1929, salt breaking march on 1931, and then retired from public life, while more energetic personalities came to fore. By the second world war, the Indian army was somewhat decorated, and had some officers of Indian descent, though the Mariners mutineed in favour of the INA , then sweeping in front the east along with the Japanese army. They were dismissed in 1946, the British left a year later, all but assured that the country would soon fall.
>>16515058Why did they fight the Persians if they are also Aryans?
Excellent thread saar
>>16515766The Persians weren't Aryans, remember that Aryan is a term invented by the victorious ones after the war that caused the schism ended, to identify themselves.If by "aryan" you mean "Indo-Iranian", then yes, both the ancestors to the persians and indians were part of the same group.>But why did they fight each other?Power, territory, religion, women, I don't know. It doesn't take much for neighbors who were once friendly deciding to kill each other.
>>16515766>>16515818Only the winners of the dasarajanya yudha(battle of ten kings), the Bharatas referred to themselves as aryans. Other tribes, such as the Ikshvakkus were given the honorific of ardha-deva (demigods). This war also saw the schism of the parsus and pruthus tribes, the chief losers of the war, and progenitors of the latter Persians and Parthians.The split of the parsus with the rest was due to this event and it was also a religious schism. Let me give the context to this: There were 3 chief priestly tribes: druhyus (always mentioned in close connection with danus) of the forests, bhrigus, the inventors of fire and soma-worship and angiras', the inventor of star worship. Dhryus and danus split off first from the larger gathering, their name still has negative connotations in the region, 'droh' means betrayer, as in 'desh-droh' (betrayer of the nation), danus are referred to as danavas (demons). Bhrugus are interesting, they are the most storied of all the priestly classes, their family has the most verses in all Rgved. So the story of the dasarajanaya goes, Sudas, the rajan (chief/king) of the tribe Bharata had Vishwamitra (of the Bhrugus) as his chief priest, but due to some differences he replaced him with Vashistha (of the Angiras) and here the political morphed into the ideological. Vishwamitra aligned himself with the Parsus and the Pruthus and most of his tribe followed his lead to become the ideological bulwark of the war.
>>16515856Context of the ideology:Asuras signify older gods in the Hindu pantheon, the ones most concerned with Rta (order) and always heavily involved with magics (its no wonder, the name magus came from ancient persia, even in the Mahabharata, you have Maya, a Bhrgu, the chief architect of the 'illusory' palace of the Pandavas). Not all Asuras are vilified, Varuna (the god of waters), Aditya (charioteer of the sun), to name but a few are Asuras.Daevas, on the other hand are the newer gods, and signified by dynamic action led by their leader Indra. Indra is famous as he slew a dragon Vrttra, and released water and cows from capture winning him many followers.So, with the morphing of ideology and politics, a battle was fought and won by the Bharatas aided by other tribes such as the Ikshvakkus (the hero of the epic Ramayana belongs to this family, as does purportedly, Gautama Buddha).In the Avestan, also considered by some to be part of the Samveda (one of the 4 vedas), and written entirely by the Bhrugus, the chief villian becomes Angra-Mainyu, the one who deviates followers from following the true path set by Ahura-Mazda. Some Bhrugus who have remained neutral stay back but their power base is broken. They have some gems down the line, the written language, the damming of Kashmir (by Suyya), and one Parshurama who destroys most of the warrior-caste (kshatriya) in India.
Im fascinated by the "more hardcore" branches of sanathana dharma: Kapalikas, Naga Sadhus. as opposed to the traditional 4-steps of life of Dharma (brahmachari student > householder> forest hermit > mendicant)Is it my own fantasy or did devotees back then, literally spend decades hoping from one sacred river and forest to the other; braving jungles ,mountains and desert barefoot and doing thousands of circumvolutions and 10s, 100s of thousands of prostrations at each Samadhi Site, temple, shiva lingam collections and searching for living-flesh mahasiddhas and gods?
Also was Krishna\KRSNA really the most ancient god worshipped, in India? or is that just ISKCON revisionism?was the main thing either Vishnu, or Shiva? I do like the Bhairava- Mahavidya set of gods and goddesses
Why did peninsular India remain largely diffuse in terms of religions and the caste system, where northern India was much more extreme? You look at the history of the south and it's much more like east Asia and Europe in many regards, despite the religion.
>>16516753ISKCON actually take all of the stories about Krishna and the other avatars as literal events that actually happened as much as any factual events of history, and they expect people to believe that.They miss the point of their own religion and myths. They believe that the true form of Krishna in heaven is literally a blue boy playing the flute.They also believe in the far out old cosmology in books like the bhagavata purana, which is inaccurate physical cosmology which they think is true, blended with mythological cosmology which they take literally down to every detail (and its very detailed). For instance, they believe that there is a planet somewhere in outer space with a giant lotus on it and on that lotus sits the god brahma, as an actual physical being on a planet in outer space.Krishna is mythological and a syncretisation of many former deities, vaishnavism was created by the brahmin priests to be their orthodox religion by merging many different popular cults and mythologies into one tradition.Krishna may be based on up to two historical persons but they wouldn't have resembled the Krishna of myth, religion and artwork very much at all. Krishna is just yet another representation of God in the hindu religion(s) who is obviously meant to convey the beauty in nature and life, he's also a mercurial deity. He's also an avatar of Vishnu and not the other way around like gaudiya vaishnavism teaches (the religion that ISKCON follows). The avatars of Vishnu like rama are equally if not more mythological and fictional, but ISKCON believe in and teach them and their stories all as completely literal. Even the talking fish and the boar that flew through outer space and crashed into the earth.Repeating that mantra will not necessarily do anything at all and its unnecessary and pointless to repeat it as much as they do and tell people to do which is a fucking lot. Its just something some religious fanatics did a long time ago.
>>16516791>The avatars of Vishnu like rama are equally if not more mythological and fictional, but ISKCON believe in and teach them and their stories all as completely literal. Even the talking fish and the boar that flew through outer space and crashed into the earth.The meaning of this obvious symbology in the stories of the avatars and much of the symbology in other myths of vaishnaivism is largely indecipherable and probably lost to time unless it is still handed down to initiates in india. A lot of it could also just be nonsense and story telling for the sake of it. For all we know the brahmins who made it up thought it was funny that they could get people to take it seriously and believe in it as part of a major religion and got off on the power of being able to dupe and manipulate people.But if you want to know the actual history and significance of Vishnu, he's a deity from the Rg Veda and other early vedic scriptures, a solar deity rarely mentioned or hymned compared to the many hymns of the other deities but who nevertheless is described as the supreme being of the vedic spiritual cosmos and the creator in the few hymns he is mentioned in. Later the vedic religion focused on him in a more monotheistic way and syncretised him with another similar and closely related vedic solar deity, bhaga. The earliest vaishnavas were probably a monotheistic cult called the bhagavatas.Krishna is based on a former deity called vasudeva who was then made into the human father of krishna in mythology, as well as an agricultural nature deity who was probably a gandharva or male nature spirit of the forest akin to the elves and fairies of european mythology. Thats where they got the stories of krishna and the gopis (cowherd girls) and the image of krishna playing a flute and herding cows in the forest, as well as his fairy /elven like appearance.
>>16516753The Mahabharatam was first recorded in 500 BCE, but the story itself is supposed to be about the political intrigue of the Kuru kingdom which we believe was existent between 1200 and 800 BCE. The civil war's battle at Kurukshetra described in the Mahabharatam is thought to be around 1000-800 BCE. So the figure of Krishna as a god-king descended on earth is very old indeed. Also he was not the son of a carpenter, but the foster son of a cowherder chieftain and the actual son of the heir to the tribal throne. Either way, the idea of being raised by a foster father who raised him instead of his true father is valid. Similarly, he is both the son (of Vasudeva) and the father (of the universe).
>>16516791>>16516795so ISKCON are "vedic literalists\ fundies" who believe in flat earth, giant superhero boars are antrhopomorpists who think God is literally a "blue guy with a clue bar that's so blue"? Thats quite based and awesome actually
>>16516836The founder of ISKCON was also a racist even Krishna meaning black.>The blacks were slaves. They were under control. And since you have given them equal rights they are disturbing, most disturbing, always creating a fearful situation, uncultured and drunkards. What training they have got? They have got equal rights? It is best, to keep them under control as slaves but give them sufficient food, sufficient cloth, not more than that. Then they will be satisfied>Sometimes he becomes a great hero -- just Hiranyakashipu and Kamsa or, in the modern age, Napoleon or Hitler. The activities of such men are certainly very great, but as soon as their bodies are finished, everything else is finished.>Therefore Hitler killed these Jews. They were financing against Germany. Otherwise he had no enmity with the Jews... And they were supplying. They want interest money -- "Never mind against our country." Therefore Hitler decided, "Kill all the Jews.">As children are very prone to be misled, women are similarly very prone to degradation.>People aren't very intelligent because they're thinking they are this body. This is the problem. And generally, women are more "into" their bodies; they worry about their hair, makeup, dress, etc. very much. They're valued for their beauty and consider themselves worthy only if they are beautiful, by one standard or another. Very few really escape this misconception. This is less intelligent. So, to the degree a woman or a man thinks like this he/she is less intelligent. This thinking is more common in women.
>>16516957Bhairava is the wrathful form of Hindu God Shiva, considered to be the main deity for the Kapalika.The legends describe that Shiva became wrathful (Bhairava) after hearing Brahma saying that he is the supreme creator. Infuriated, Shiva cut off one of Brahma's heads. As a result, he had to take the penalty for brahmicide (killing a brahman): living for 12 years as mendicant and taking alms put into his bowl made from a human (brahman's) skull (Sanskrit kapala). In Bhairava's case, the cup was made from the decapitates Brahma's head.The Kapalikas, following Bhairava's punishment, followed more or less the same lifestyle, that is, roaming around, carrying skullcaps, eat shit and brahmin flesh to become one, engaging in antinomian behaviour, and mingling with outcastes in impure places. They called their conduct mahavrata ( Sanskrit great vow).That's the Hindu view.The view propagated that Bhairava is a demon comes from Vajrayana.The reason why Vajrayana Yidams trample Shiva and Bhairava under their feet is simple - it's a way to declare that Vajrayana is better than Hindu, and absolutely nothing else. Which is ironic because a significant portion of Vajrayana Buddhism comes from Shaivism and not the Buddha.
>>16517757Tibetan Buddhist cannibalism, semen and feces consumption.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amrita#Vajrayana_Buddhism>Inner Offering (Wylie: Nang chod, Chinese: 内供) is the most symbolic amrita offering assembly, and the Inner Offering Nectar Pill (Wylie: Nang chod bdud rtsi rilbu, Chinese: 内供甘露丸) is a precious and secret medicine of Tibetan Buddhism, which are only used internally for higher ranking monks in Nyingma school. Its ingredients including Five Amrita and Five Meat, which represents five buddha, and five elements respectively. According to Tantras of Chakravarti, and Tantras of Vajravārāhī, a ceremony needs to be held for melting and blessing the Inner Offering Nectar. Five Nectar needs to be arranged in four directions: yellow excrement in the east, green bone marrow in the north, white semen in the west and red blood in the south, blue urine is placed in the center. Four Nectar should come from wise monks and the ova should be collected from the first menstruation of a blessed woman. The Five Meats are arranged similarly, meat of black bull in the southeast, the meat of the blue dog in the southwest, the meat of the white elephant in the northwest, the meat of the green horse in the northeast, and the meat of a red human corpse in the center. After the ceremony, these ingredients will transform into a one taste (ekarasa) elixir, which bestows bliss, vitality, immortality and wisdom. Actual modern practitioner will take a 'synthesized essence' of the Nectar Pill and combined it with black tea or alcohol, but mostly the "Nectar Pill" are derived from plants.[9]
>>16517768Tibetan Tantra Vajrayana ritual cannibalism. The Tibetan Tantric masters believed they could acquire magic powers like flying from eating flesh pills made from Brahmins.https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/12274200/Gentry_gsas.harvard_0084L_11259.pdf?sequence=4&isAllowed=y>"The practice of ingesting Brahmin flesh and other unusual ingredients and concoctions is firmly rooted in canonical Indian Buddhist tantric scriptural traditions."Tibetans adopted the Indian Buddhist Tantra practices of eating Brahmin human flesh pills.https://dash.harvard.edu/handle/1/12274200CitationGentry, James Duncan. 2014. Substance and Sense: Objects of Power in the Life, Writings, and Legacy of the Tibetan Ritual Master Sog bzlog pa Blo gros rgyal mtshan. Doctoral dissertation, Harvard University.AbstractThis thesis is a reflection upon objects of power and their roles in the lives of people through the lens of a single case example: power objects as they appear throughout the narrative, philosophical, and ritual writings of the Tibetan Buddhist ritual specialist Sog bzlog pa Blo gros rgyal mtshan (1552-1624) and his milieu. This study explores their discourse on power objects specifically for what it reveals about how human interactions with certain kinds of objects encourage the flow of power and charisma between them, and what the implications of these person-object transitions were for issues of identity, agency, and authority on the personal, institutional, and state registers in sixteenth- and seventeenth-century Tibet.
>>16517768>>16517779Isnt all that flesh, semen and weird meat and body liquids symbolic tho? EVERY online Lama's publications I read says "semen means emptiness, blood means mind, shit is the planet' etc, or something akin to that.Are traditional lamas, historically at least, a bunch of filth gorgers and corpse-robbers?
>>16516762India literally collapsed because of the retarded caste system. The caste system was made rigid in 400 AD, and the Indian Golden Age ends at 500 AD. Literally nothing was done in Northern India between 500-1000 AD. Southern (Dravidian) India meanwhile conquered South East Asia and spread Hinduism there, built lots of temples which stand to this day. The only progress happened in Northern India came after Islam entered the subcontinent in 991 A.D and destablished the caste system, leading to a merit based society that a /pol/-tier “muh heredity” society.
>>16517902But Mughal emperors destroyed hindu temples! and I love hindu\Vedic-Dharmic paraphernalia. therefore islam damaged India.Like, imagine replacing a naked ash-smeared , long hair bearded chad with some "scholar" who sits around doing gay geometry shit or being tidy, clean and hygienic
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also>built lots of temples which stand to this dayoh yea don't worry about it, couple of thousand mosques will be destroyed in the next 50 years
>>16517894Want to know the dark secrets of Buddhism, the feel good coffee book religion?Read Shadow of the Dalai Lamahttp://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htmLearn about the second buddha who>In Rewalsar, known as Tso Pema in Tibetan, Padmasambhava secretly taught tantric teachings to princess Mandarava, the local king's daughter. The king found out and tried to burn him, but it is believed that when the smoke cleared he was found to be just sitting there, still alive and in meditation>Padmasambhava then left with Mandarava, and took to Maratika Cave in Nepal to practice secret tantric consort rituals. They had a vision of buddha Amitayus and achieved what is called the Rainbow body of the great transference in the Vajrayana tradition, a very rare type of spiritual realization>Many of those who gathered around Padmasambhava became advanced tantric practitioners as well as helping to found and propagate the Nyingma tradition. The most prominent of these include Padmasambhava's five main female consorts, also known as dakinis and his twenty five main disciplesTL;DR>cuck a king>escape to Tibet because crime>"introduce Buddhism">drown in Tibetan pussyOh, did I forget the mention that he's the founder of Tibetan Buddhism?
>>16515792Here is a TL;DR on the History of Hinduism:>IVC civilization bears important traits of later civilization such as what appears to be yoga>Indo-Aryans travel from Central Asia and meet with the BMAC desert civilization, adopting a few of their gods like Indra and religious concepts such as Soma drinking>Indo-Aryans blend their religion with the IVC religion to form Vedic religion>Vedic religion splits into the Brahmanic tradition (Vedas and rituals are most important) which evolved into the Upanishadic commentary on the Vedas and Sramanic tradition (denial or lesser importance of the vedas, personal asceticism, moksha, samsara, nirvana, ahimsa etc.) which evolved into faiths like Jainism, Buddhism, Ajivikas, Carvakas, etc.>Vedic religion fell out of favor with normal people like how Roman Paganism fell out of favor with it’s expensive rituals and lack of spiritual satisfaction for non-elites>Then came the dawn of modern Hinduism>Brahmanists looked inwards and tried to compensate for what they lacked by absorbing elements of Sramanic philosophies and beliefs (samsara, liberation, Buddha was actually Vishnu, etc.)>The Bhagavad Gita is written>Cults of personal devotion to a God become more prominent (Bhakti) from whence we get the importance of Vishnu and Shiva over the Vedic gods>Mahabharata and Ramayana emphasize this>Village gods are absorbed>Hinduism is spread across southeast asia by Dravidian merchants>Especially Vaishnavism and Saivaism>Puranic Hinduism arises out of the Bhakti movement>The great Gurus why away from the concept of Brahman for more accessible personal Avatars
>>16517973Is that book peer-reviewed, tho? I read it, I thought it was awesome (at least the corpse meditations, necromantic paraphernalia, black magick and curses , Shambala Death squads)..but I, also, thought it was just a gross orientalist distortion of real tibetan dharma?!
>>16518013>Vedic religion fell out of favor with normal people like how Roman Paganism fell out of favor with it’s expensive rituals and lack of spiritual satisfaction for non-elitesWhat happened was that the people started getting fed up with the sacrificial fires and the monopoly of the priestly classes, this was in c.400 BC, we know this because there are records of usurpations by people of newer faith in the kingdom of Magadha (the indian version of the greco-roman civilisation state). By the time Buddha came, there were many other religions, Ajivikas, Jains to name a few (all concentrated around Magadha). The father of Ashoka the Great, who spread Buddhism far and wide was a Jain, his father (the storied Chandragupta Maurya) was Hindu early on, but in the latter years, he patronised Ajivikas. There was a fight from the Brahmins, the line of Ashoka was followed by the Sungas (his war commanders and Brahmins), but by and large there was resentment against Vedic Hinduism. By the time Puranic Hinduism was started in the southern part of India by the Tamils (of southern India), Chalukyas (of southeastern India) and Vakkatakas (of central India), many in the northern regions practised some combination of hinduism, buddhism, jainism. There were many ideological debates during this time and are well captured, some such as Adi Shankracharya were instrumental in incorporating large beliefs of other religions into the wider Hindu pantheon you see today.
>The critic closes with reference to the New School practice of eating seven-times-born flesh, as advocated in the traditions of the Hejavra-tantra and the Cakrasaṃvaratantra. He argues that rather than directly confer liberation, the New School tantras enjoin the consumption of such flesh simply to enhance the “conventional kuṇḍa” (kun rdzob kun dha), in other words, physical seminal fluid, which can then serve as the basis for “ultimate bodhicitta” (don dam byang chub sems), or gnosis, during the transformations elicited through sexual yoga practices. According to his formulation, the sphere of efficacy of this substance is resolutely physiological, not spiritual. It forms the nutritional basis for the production of seminal fluid, which is in turn used to elicit gnosis in sexual yoga. But it does not, in and of itself, cross the threshold of physiology to elicit gnosis. VS.Sog bzlog pa follows immediately with copious scriptural references and citations from New Translation tantras, commentaries and traditions – including the Cakrasaṃvaratantra, Hevajra-tantra, Sampuṭa-tantra, Mahāmudrātilaka-tantra, Mahāmāyatantra, Abhidhāna-uttaratantra Śrī-ḍākārṇava, Śrī-heruka-abhyudaya, the oral Tradition of Pa dam pa sangs rgyas’s (b. 11th c.) Pacifying (zhi byed) traditionthe great translator Shong ston’s(b. 13th c.) commentary on the Mañjuśrīnāmasaṁgīti, and others – which all promise that eating the flesh of a “seven-timer” confers flight to celestial realms, access to pure lands, and even liberation. In a show of erudition not witnessed elsewhere in his argument, Sog bzlog pa takes pains here to cite several texts not only by title, but also by chapter number.
>>16515060>Another point which the Avesta mentions is the Angra Mainyu who is a prime opponent, that is simply the priestly class Angiras, from which the advisor of Saudas had come and replaced the original advisor who was of the a very storied class, the Bhrigus, who were innovators and came up first with the rituals of fire worship. India then was known as Jambu-Dweepa(the land of the Jamuns)I doubt that the etymological origin of Ahriman is this because Angiras is son of Varuna (AKA Ahura-Mazda), and Ahriman was his brother (which corresponds to the Vedic Mitra, or Mitra-Varuna). Also the Angiras were fire priests who created the Atharvaveda. The bizarre thing about Atharvaveda is that it is from it that many magical formulas that were considered as sorcery in those times, fire worship and other practices not very accepted by the Indo-Aryans of that region emerged or were compiled. I think the Angiras are what they called the proto-Magi because they were fire worshipers before Zoroaster and were, together with the Chaldeans, master of Astrology, being Brihaspati (guru of the Devas, master of the Vedas and the planet Jupiter in Vedic astrology) son of the rishi Angirasa and Suroopa according to the Shiva Purana.>>16516753That old man in your pic is Shukra, the Vedic planet Venus and guru of the Asuras, who created Islam. The funny thing is that Krishna is an avatar of Vishnu, the greatest enemy of the Asuras, but Vishnu absorbed many characteristics of Varuna, also known as Asura Medhira.>>16518015>also, thought it was just a gross orientalist distortion of real tibetan dharma?!Tibetan Buddhism absorbs many characteristics of Bonpo, which is Magianism/Proto-Zoroastrianism mixed with Himalayan Shamanism, its Buddha Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche was born in 16,017 BC in Tajikistan.
>>16518134https://www.hindupedia.com/en/Zoroastrianism_and_Hinduism#Angras_are_Angirasas>Further, Zarathustra in his Gāthās alludes to "old revelations", and praises the Saoshyants (fire-priests), and even exhorts his party of attendees to praise the Angras. Hindu scriptures know the Angirasas (descendants of Rṣi Angiras) as the composers of the Atharva Veda, or as the "Atharvangirasa" and the Veda is also known as the Angiras Veda. (Angras are in no way connected to Angra Mainyu, the opposer of Ahura Mazda whose name means Dark Spirit.) Hence, those Angras mentioned by Zarathustra are also Vedic rṣis. He is referred to by some rṣis in the Rig Veda as their "father". Angira is a son of Varuna, as are Bhargava and Vasiśṭha. Angirasas are sacerdotal families with ceremonial practices in the Atharva Veda. Their connection to the sacred fire is such that the Rig Veda also names Agni as Angiras, and that the sons of Angiras were born of Agni. In the RV, Angirasas were called "Sons of Heaven, Heroes of the Asura.">The fact that Bhargavas are, like their subgroup Angirasas and the Athravans, also descendants of Vasiśṭha is established in Puranas. Hence, Kava Uṣan (Shukra Acharya the Bhargava) is venerated and included as one of the holiest sages in Mazdayasna because he was also from Vahiśta (Vasiśṭha.)>Sraosha of the Avesta is Bṛhasa (Bṛhaspati) of the Vedas who was the son of Angiras, so Sraosha is also of the category of Angras mentioned in the Avesta
>>16518134>>16518021I appreciate your scholarship but ,personally isn't it a bit depressing to know the historical origin of religions? Like, say a guru\ brahmin\swami etc tells you " in this mountain 50K years ago a god planted a fire altar'....but you know fire worship started 5K years ago in that region and also people used to live there 10K ago because archeological and forensic evidence says that
>>16518150>Zarathustra learning from and preaching to other Vedic scholars>Ancient Greek scholars, such as Clement of Alexandria and Ammianus Marcellinus[142], had written that Zoroaster had studied with the Brahmans of India. We know from Mazdaen literature that in his youth, Zarathustra's preceptor's name is Burzin Kuru(s), and the Kurus were a dynasty that had then dominated in parts of North India and in Afghanistan. Kashmir of course, is historically known as a part of Deva-Kuru. Further, even today there is the Burzahom Neolithic site next to Baramulla district in Kashmir, and the Draga Burzil stream in Kashmir, only further showing that the name Burzin has a connection to Kashmir. Ammianus had written that the Magi derived some of their most secret doctrines from the "Indian Brachmans" (i.e., Brahmans.)>Relationship between the Magi and Indian Hindu Priests>The Magi being Athravans were accepted as Brahmans and they settled in Punjab first when they were brought by Samba (son of Kṛṣṇa) and they spread from there to other parts of the Indian Subcontinent including Karnataka and Nepal which are also known as the Magacharya or Maga Brahman todayThe Kuru people, who despite being considered part of the Indo-Aryan peoples, were to blame for degenerating the Vedas back in 900~800 BC, including the creation and canonization of the Atharvaveda in what previously constituted only three textual/oral bodies; Rigveda, Yajurveda and Samaveda. This Kuru people/federation was very linked to the Semitic peoples of Mesopotamia and as their first relations with the pure Aryans were very troubled, the bastards literally acted like Jews and gradually mixed until they were accepted and blended completely, the dates also match the Creation of Zoroastrianism and how As you well know, in the Avestan the Vedic gods are considered demons, the same technique that the Jews used in the Bible when demonizing deities other than Yahweh.
>>16518153The date of birth of Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche is exaggerated because the years at that time had few days/months passing years faster for us, just like the Biblical Patriarchs, but Bonpo predated Tibetan Buddhism and even Vedism. So they have a reason for We Wuzzing. The plateau of north Tibet were proved by pollen & tree ring analysis to have become inhospitably cold around 1500bc. Tibetans exist for 1500 years:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhangzhung>Established c. 500 BC>Conquest of Songtsen Gampo>Zhangzhung or Shangshung was an ancient culture and kingdom of western and northwestern Tibet>The Bonpo claim that the Tibetan writing system is derived from the Zhangzhung alphabet, while modern scholars recognize the clear derivation of Tibetan script from a North Indian script>Zhangzhung culture's influence in IndiaZhangzhung influenced India, not other way around.https://www.boandbon.com/bon-and-indo-iranians/https://files.catbox.moe/bb8jci.djvu
>>16518265Siberian Nenets and artic\alaskan inuit have to be in the top 5 most based ethnic groups on the planet, imagine eating almost exclusively raw meat and raw blubber\fat since being a baby and living in the (nowherness is manly, urbanite-ism is anti-nature)glorious bumfuck nowhere of ice and snow.
>>16518134>being Brihaspati (guru of the Devas, master of the Vedas and the planet Jupiter in Vedic astrology) son of the rishi Angirasa and Suroopa according to the Shiva PuranaAhriman created all seven classical planets according to Mēnōg-ī Khrad.https://www.avesta.org/mp/mx.html#chapter8>17. 'Every good and the reverse which happen to mankind, and also the other creatures, happen through the seven planets and the twelve constellations. 18. And those twelve constellations are such as in revelation are the twelve chieftains who are on the side of Ohrmazd, (19) and those seven planets are called the seven chieftains who are on the side of Ahriman. 20. Those seven planets pervert every creature and creation, and deliver them up to death and every evil. 21. And, as it were, those twelve constellations and seven planets are organizing and managing the world>22. 'Ohrmazd is wishing good, and never approves nor contemplates evil. 23. Ahriman is wishing evil, and does not meditate nor approve anything good whatever. 24. Ohrmazd, when he wishes it, is able to alter as regards the creatures of Ahriman; and Ahriman, too, it is, who, when he wishes it, can do so as regards the creatures of Ohrmazd, (25) but he is only able to alter so that in the final effect there may be no injury of Ohrmazd, (26) because the final victory is Ohrmazd's own. 27. For it is declared, that "the Yim [Jamshed] and Faridoon and Kay Us of Ohrmazd are created immortal, (28) and Ahriman so altered them as is known. 29. And Ahriman so contemplated that Bevarasp [= Azi Zohak] and Frasiyav and Alexander should be immortal, (30) but Ohrmazd, for great advantage, so altered them as that which is declared."'
>>16518332>3. The spirit of wisdom answered (4) thus: 'They grant; (5) for there are such as they call thus: "Destiny and divine providence." 6. Destiny is that which is ordained from the beginning, (7) and divine providence is that which they also grant otherwise. 8. But the sacred beings provide and manifest in the spiritual existence little of that grant, on this account, because Ahriman, the wicked, through the power of the seven planets extorts wealth, and also every other benefit of the worldly existence, from the good and worthy, and grants them more fully to the bad and unworthy.'>3. The spirit of wisdom answered (4) thus: 'On account of the compassion of Ohrmazd, the lord, as regards the creatures, he allots all happiness alike among the good and alike among the bad. 5. But when it does not always come upon them, it is on account of the oppression of Ahriman and the demons, and the extortion of those seven planets
>>16518332>>16518340>Mēnōg-ī KhradThis text appears to have Zurvanite influence. They believe that Ahriman was the elder brother of Ahura-Mazda who created/ruled the material world before him.https://archive.org/details/FromTheAshesOfAngelsTheForbiddenLegacyOfAFallenRaceByAndrewCollins>During the Sassanian, or second empire, period (AD 226-651) of Persian history, there existed a very dominant form of Zoroastrianism known as Zurvanism, or fatalism. It revolved around a great god named Zurvan, a word meaning 'fate' or 'fortune', who was seen as the genius, or intelligence, of Zrvan Akarana (Pahlavi Zurvan i Akanarak), 'infinite time'>The principal creation myth of Zurvanism ran as follows:>In the beginning, only Zurvan existed. Then for a period of a thousand years he sacrificed barsom-twigs in the hope of achieving a son who would rule heaven and earth>At the end of this time he mixed together fire of the air and water of the earth to produce twins - Ormuzd (Ahura Mazda) and Ahriman (Angra Mainyu), who represented light and darkness, or good and evil. To the first to be born the great father promised dominion over the earth for 9,000 years>On learning of Zurvan's promise, Ahriman immediately broke free of the cosmic womb and approached his father. Yet on seeing that the child was dark and stinking, the great god realized that he was not the rightful heir>Ormuzd then was born, and on seeing that he was radiant with light, Zurvan knew that he was to be the true ruler of both heaven and earth. Yet because of his earlier pact with the first-born, he would have to grant Ahriman dominion. over the earth for 9,000 years. During this time, Ormuzd was made high priest in heaven alone - and only afterwards was he able to reign supreme
indoaryan theory anon please let's go back to discussing Vajrayana Tantra
>>16518415Bonpo has that too.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bon>Bon myth also includes other elements which are more obviously pre-Buddhist. According to Samuel, Bonpo texts include a creation narrative (in the Sipe D zop ’ug) in which a creator deity, Trigyel Kugpa, also known as Shenlha Okar, creates two eggs, a dark egg and a light egg>According to Bon scriptures, in the beginning, these two forces, light and dark, created two persons. The black man, called Nyelwa Nakpo (“Black Suffering”), created the stars and all the demons, and is responsible for evil things like droughts. The white man, Öserden (“Radiant One”), is good and virtuous. He created the sun and moon, and taught humans religion. These two forces remain in the world in an ongoing struggle of good and evil which is also fought in the heart of every person>Powers also writes that according to Bon scriptures, in the beginning, there was only emptiness, which is not a blank void but a pure potentiality. This produced five elements (earth, air, fire, water, and space) which came together into a vast "cosmic egg", from which a primordial being, Belchen Kékhö, was born
>>16518436Shiva/Rudra worship is the primordial Tantric Yoga cult. This date back to Harrapan IVC with Pashupati, a horned figure with several faces cross-legged/meditating around animals. Tantras and the Shaiva/Shakta are the Dravidian side of the Bharata Dharma, Tantra is the antithesis of Vedism.Now Shiva is considered to be the first Yogi, and his tradition is said to date back long before most traditions, he is one of the first and prime gods in latter hinduism, but still there is a representation in IVC, which may indicate some form of physical exercise regiment created to keep peoples transferring from active lifestyles of hunter gatherers, herders to more sedentary and urban lifestyles and to instill in them calm and disabuse notions and need to be restless.Angry Shiva, in his Prototypical Rudra form, was the destroyer of Asura that is the Iranians. The imagery is of someone who despises Iranian Panis and Dahyus for threatening Vedic Aryans. But since it known that Vedic Aryans were very bad at naming new things, they named the Indian natives, Asura born, demons and Mayavis Once inside India, Shiva actually becomes a sympathetic figure to Asuras, social outcasts and lower castes, is hated by Vishnu worshipping Brahmins, becomes patron deity of mostly non-Aryan societies and it is very clearly depicted in the Puranic traditions. The competitive aspect of Vishnu and Shiva is the core of Shiva's marriage to Shakti, the daughter of a prominent Aryan King who sees Shiva as unacceptable. Like Romeo and Juliet, Shakti falls in love with Shiva but dies when King disrespect Shiva.An angry Shiva here goes ahead and behead the King. Throughout the stories, he is benign to Asuras (now natives) and cares for their well-being but due to Aryan influence (biased narrative) act against them. The famous native King Ravana was a supreme Shiva worshipper and Aryan narrative of Ramayana glorifies his killing.
>>16518530Wait so...it's all about IRL wars, migrations and kings and kingdoms? There's no literal blue giant ascetic smoking hash non\stop at the peak of Mt Kailash?that's...supremely disappointing.I envy men who are bough up to \believe in full Tantric Literalism. Well, it seems I will just delve further into Buddhism.
>>16518530This splits off between the Puranic sects, and the Non-Puranic (or Agamic) sects. The latter generally denote what we would call Tantra.The Puranic systems produced what we understand as the "exoteric" methods of Shiva worship. The "orthodox" or otherwise "Vedic schools". They are, again generally speaking, monist.Non Puranic then branched off again, into the Mantra Marga, or the "Mantra path" which postulated esoteric sets of mantras and ritual. Atimarga , or the "great path" and references classes of religious injunctions. I'm a bit skeptical of the way it's been broken down; Mantramarga is one of the forms of Atimarga. To my understanding the big historical point where all this diverges finally and clearly are among the Kapalika and the Kalamukha. We have ancient ass plays that focus on Kapalikas, and the general form of Tantra has been already stereotyped. There's a fair chance that Vangisa the Skull Tapper of the Buddhist parables was a Kapalika. This, of course, then branches off into the Trika (trident/trifold goddess form of Tantric Saivism), the Kaula, or the family/circle form of Tantric Saivism (united together in Abhinava's Uttara Kaula Trika), and the infamous Aghori. Shiva Siddhanta is also a nondualist school, but are "orthodox" in their nondualism, meaning this still adhere to various purity restrictions. I'm not well versed in Lingayatism. They have the same sorts of restrictions as the Siddhanta, and there's a ton of crossover in iconographic foci and methodology.
>>16518560Tantra is a word with a lot of connotation. So if “Sutra” means stitch, or suture (as in a single stitch in a bookbinding), Tantra has connotations of binding, continuity, and even 'spine' in the book context.Rig Veda describes wild renunciates who practice alone. While Gordon White asserts that there's little evidence that Tantra is non-Vedic, the Agamic sources assert an oral lineage that's at least as old as the Vedic contact and synchretism. Frederick Smith – a professor of Sanskrit and Classical Indian Religions, views Tantra to be a parallel religious movement to Bhakti movement of the 1st millennium CE. Tantra has been an esoteric, folk movement without grounding.Tantra means many things; each subsect of Hindi practice has it's own methods of interfacing with Tantra. Some of it involves esoteric sexuality. Slightly more often it's simply a corpus of any given group's occulted or esoteric knowledge. There's Jain tantra, which is asexual, and other groups encode the methods of sacred geometry into tantras. For others it's linguistic knowledge that looks more like Kabbalah than not.Some of the first reflections of Tantra in history come from the Buddhists. A series of artwork discovered in Gandhara, in modern day Pakistan, dated to be from about 1st century CE, show Buddhist and Hindu monks holding skulls. One of them shows the Buddha sitting in the center, and on his sides a Buddhist monk and a Hindu monk each. The legend corresponding to these artworks is found in Buddhist texts, and describes monks "who tap skulls and forecast the future rebirths of the person to whom that skull belonged".
>>16518560Aghoris are ,IMO, the logical consequence of taking Monism to it's extreme conclusion. ie; it shows the real implications (absurdity? or truth? you decide) of the idea of Monism but taking it to it's furthermost exaggeration that's still coherent with it's own nature and premises.
>>16518580Tantra it's the worship of Shiva. It comes in many different modes and flavors, but what we're going to focus on is non-Puranic (Vedic) North Indian and Southeast Asian Saivist Tantra. The non-Puranic Saivists reject the Vedas in favor of an oral tradition of teachings called The Agamas. These Agamas were written down long ago, in part a manifestation of the oral teaching, and in part a manifestation of contact with Vedic people and non-Vedic tribals. Most serious scholars consider the Shaiva cults to be pre-existing and, like most of the deities honestly, were later absorbed into the Vedic fold. same with Devi, and probably Krishna, just to name a few big name ones.This religious practice is kind of hard to parse out to Westerners. Some of these groups employ Shakti puja (ritual worship of Kali/The Feminine)....while others are strictly worship of Shiva. Anyway, the specific kind of Saivism we're talking about today (Vama Marg/Kaula) is a natural extension of funerary asceticism (The Aghori cannibals) but has a different focus: Sexuality.You see, Saivism, in it's non-Puranic form, employs a philosophical mode called “Vamacara”, translating roughly as the Left Path....this is the origin of the Western concept of the Left Hand Path. It is there goal, not to retreat from the veil of illusion (called Maya), but to seek synthesis with it. To do this, these Vamacara practitioner use the “Five M's”, or five ritual uses of things considered taboo in the general culture (alcohol/drugs, sexual orgies, meat (sometimes human)) in order to physically integrate this transgressive ideology AND to by physically “closer” to the forces of entropy, decay, and consumption that their aspect of Shiva represents.
>>16518560>>16518530also what about Kaali worship? is she higher than shiva or his consort on the most "radical left hand" tantric ascetic groups?
>>16518605>Five M's”, or five ritual uses of things considered taboo in the general culture (alcohol/drugs, sexual orgies, meat (sometimes human))b-but you just listed 3 and there are FIVE ms!!
>>16518581Aghoris believe everything is just a manifestation of shiva-bhairava and shakti-kali. Siva, although also worshipped as a god, represents your thought space and space inn general. He is the static, masculine aspect of existance. Shakti is the feminine, active aspect. She is the thought, the actions and basicly anything that goes through the cycles of birth and death ( or creation destruction, degradation etc - everything). Because of this idea of nonduality (yes, its shiva and shakti which seems like two, but they are infact part of one whole. if there ws just shiva, what difference would it be if existance existed or not-it would be just as static as nonexistance, if only shakti existed, where would she create if there was no space?) and monism (everything is a manifestation of shiva and shakti) they deem everything to be equally holy which is ridiculous for indians, who believe even touching a dead person is absolutely haram. The aghoris eat dead corpses, they eat feces and eat with their left hand (also absolutely haram) as a way of realizing that everything is the same. sort of like extreme mental exercise. They walk around naked or semi naked to get rid of shame, they preform rituals on the cremation grounds at night to get rid of fear, among other things as ways to loose things that tie them to cycles of time (i like this, dont like that, im scared of this so i wont do it etc) because those cycles (called samsara) create suffering. thats also why they renounce family, like it or not family also binds you to certain cycles ( have to feed senpai, have to work etc). if you think about it, cycles of time arent as ridiculous as they sound - the human females period cycle, menopause cycle. its all cycles that pass with time.The goal in all of this is fully realizing they are Siva - because all of us here are siva. But just reading it in a bok or right now doesnt change much to most people. They need to feel and experience the conciousness of siva cont
>>16518643(although there were some aghoris in legends who realized tht they are siva just through somone telling them, this depends on karma)This siva conciousness is sometimes described as ultimate bliss. its basicly the same thing as nirvana in other words. There is no discriminating thought, or any fear. there is just... knowledge. And not book knowledge, just life knowledge if you put it at that. There are supposedly siddhis and i personally saw a buddhism monk show siddhis (mind reading, no joke) so i believe in them but to each their own belief.The aghoris are also known for their rituals and healing. Since they believe in this strict nondualism, they are believed to be able to change matter into different forms of matter, change meat into vegetable etc, but thats usually once they achieve sivata ( realization of being shiva)The realization of being shiva comes through raising shakti through your chakras. Your chakras are energy points along the spine, but those are only th main ones. Theres i think a few thousand chakras around the body (accupuncture points are basicly same shit) and 84,000 nadis (sort of like neural pathways) connecting all of them. You, in your body have both shiva and shakti in you, except most of your shakti in her unlimited form is within your root chakra (between benis and ass) in form of kundalini. through ritual work, meditation and yoga the aghoris raise this kundalini up to the crown chakra, sahasrana, where shiva is ( basicly to your thought space). the rituals are usually involving sex depending on tantra.theres not much difference between tibetan buddhism and aghori tantra. They stem from the same school of tantra - the kapalikas. They just mixed with different traditions and practice things differently, but they share the same scriptures and even some saints, and some ritual objects and deities. Vajrayana ( tibetan buddhism) is a different path of tantra. paths of tantra are: kaula, trika vajray, aghor & sivasiddhanta
>>16518605The sexual practices of the Vama Marg/Kaula include the ritual consumption of intermingled male and female sexual fluids (specifically when the female is cycling) tinged with drugs and alcohol, for the purpose of further sex rites in which the Yogini (Female Yogi) becomes a host for Demons, Demigods, and if you're doing it right, Gods. The positions her hands take in orgasm becomes the mudra for the rite. Her panting the pranayama metric, and so forth.Vamacara goes against the Vedas, and is generally viewed as a heresy, but this is only from the Vaishnavu, who feel that the vamacara practices come from Shakti Shridivya. This is wrong; just like the word 'tantra', vamacara is a catch-all term describing multiple practices across multiple traditions of worship, having their origin in non-Vedic sources.The connection with Shri Vidya comes via Shaktism in about half of the Aghori and half of the Kaula, but does not reach into Vamacara and Vama Marg...since Shiva and Kali are viewed as the divine Kaula, it's perfectly common for Kaulas and Aghori to favor one over the other (Aghori to a much lesser extent as they're funeral ascetics). Vamacara enters the picture in the non-Puranic Mantramarga, drawing on the Kapalika aspect of Shiva and Aghorism. The Kaula are emphatically a Kapalika format of practice of both Saivism AND Shaktism, while the Aghori are usually (but not ALWAYS) reckoned to be Saivists...and guess what; they employ the Left Hand Path of Vamacara; meaning that someone SPECIFICALLY employing the Vamacara methods of attainment is going to be drawing from Shiva as opposed to Shaktism or a dual/mixed practice. Really, it all depends on the geography. To say that vamacara is a subsect of Sri Vidya is idiotic. if anything Sri Vidya is the dakshinamarga Shakta cult par excellence.
>>16518580One of Buddha's early followers was Vangisa, a man who was almost certainly a kapalika mystic. The following story is in Dhammapada, but we've got fragments of varying detail elsewhere such as the Pali canon and a number of poems attributed to the dude ( http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ireland/wheel417.html ):Once, in Rajagaha, there was a brahmin by the name of Vangisa, who by simply tapping on the skull of a dead person could tell whether that person was reborn in the world of the devas, or of the human beings, or in one of the four lower worlds (apayas). The brahmins took Vangisa to many villages and people flocked to him and paid him ten, twenty or a hundred to find out from him where their various dead relatives were reborn.On one occasion, Vangisa and his party came to a place not far from the Jetavana monastery. Seeing those people, who were going to the Buddha, the brahmins invited them to come to Vangisa, who could tell where their relatives had been reborn. But the Buddha's disciples said to them, "Our teacher is one without a rival, he only is the Enlightened One." The brahmins took that statement as a challenge and took Vangisa along with them to the Jetavana monastery to compete with the Buddha. The Buddha, knowing their intention, instructed the Bhikkhus to bring the skulls of a person reborn in niraya, of a person reborn in the animal world, of a person reborn in the human world, of a person reborn in the deva world and also of an Arahat.
>>16518696The five were then placed in a row. When Vangisa was shown those skulls he could tell where the owners of the first four skulls were reborn, but when he came to the skull of the Arahat, he was at a loss. Then the Buddha said, "Vangisa, don't you know? I do know, where the owner of that skull is." Vangisa then asked the Buddha to let him have the magical incantation (mantra) by which he could thus know; but the Buddha told him that the mantra could be given only to a Bhikkhu. Vangisa then told the brahmins to wait outside the monastery, while he was being taught the mantra. Thus, Vangisa became a Bhikkhu and as a Bhikkhu, he was instructed by the Buddha to contemplate the thirty-two constituents of the body. Vangisa diligently practised meditation as instructed by the Buddha and attained Arahatship within a short time.Ok, so who were these Skull Tappers….? The best bet is that they were, or a forerunner of, the Kapalikas, who are thought to be one of the wellsprings of the Tantric transmissions.
>>16518714The Kāpālika tradition was a non-Puranic form of Shaivism in India. The word Kāpālikas is derived from kapāla meaning "skull", and Kāpālikas means the "skull-men". The Kāpālikas traditionally carried a skull-topped trident (khatvanga) and an empty skull as a begging bowl. Other attributes associated with Kāpālikas were that they smeared their body with ashes from the cremation ground, revered the fierce Bhairava form of Shiva, engaged in rituals with blood, meat, alcohol, and sexual fluids.According to David Lorenzen, there is a paucity of primary sources on Kapalikas, and historical information about them is available from fictional works and other traditions who disparage them. Various Indian texts claim that the Kāpālika drank liquor freely, both for ritual and as a matter of habit. The Chinese pilgrim to India in the 7th century, Hsuan Tsang, in his memoir on what is now northwest Pakistan, wrote about Buddhists living with naked ascetics who cover themselves with ashes and wore bone wreathes on their heads, but Hsuan Tsang does not call them Kapalikas or any particular name. Scholars have interpreted these ascetics variously as Digambara Jains, Pashupatas and Kapalikas.Mattavilasa Prahasana (Devanagari:मत्तविलासप्रहसन), (English: A Farce of Drunken Sport) is a short one-act Sanskrit play. It is one of the two great one act plays written by Pallava King Mahendravarman I (571– 630CE) in the beginning of the seventh century in Tamil Nadu.
>>16518729Mattavilasa Prahasana opens with the entering of two drunken Kapalikas, Satyasoma and his woman, Devasoma. Full of drunken antics, they stumble from tavern to tavern searching for more alcohol. The Kapalikas are told to be followers of a Saivite sect whose rites included drinking, wild dancing and singing, and ritual intercourse with their partners. As Satysoma asks for more alms, he realizes that he has lost his sacred skull-bowl. Devasoma suggests that he might have left it at the tavern they previously visited. To their dismay, it was not there. Satyasoma suspects that either a dog or a Buddhist monk has taken it.A Buddhist monk, Nagasena, enters the stage and the Kapalika suggests that he is the culprit-the one who has stolen the skull-bowl. Satyasoma criticizes the Buddhist monk by saying that he steals, lies, and desires liquor, meat and women even though his religion prohibits it. As for Buddhism itself, the Kapali accuses it of stealing ideas from the Mahabharata and the Vedanta. Satyasoma argues with the monk who denies the accusations and the dispute eventually leads to a physical brawl. As the fighting escalates, another mendicant, a Pasupata acquaintance of Satyasoma's, enters and mediates the situation. The drawn-out argument continues until the Buddhist monk, in despair, gives his begging bowl to a delusional Satyasoma.The Madman enters the stage and in his hand is Satyasoma's real skull-bowl. The madman recovered the bowl from a dog and the skull-bowl is finally returned to its delighted, rightful owner. There is a happy resolution and all characters leave in an amicable fashion.
wow! very great info!What do you make of\ info you have on, Dzogchen? is it truly the ultimate set of teachings within Bonpo\Tibetan tantra, or just a different school from mahamudra? >could it hypothetically ,be possible to be a Krishna-worshipping (pre-ISKCON Bhakti of KRSNA) Aghori?
>>16518743It is widely held that Mahendra’s play is a satire of the degenerate sects of his day. For example, both the Kapalika and Pasupata sects must have been considered peculiar during Mahendra’s reign, and the king satirizes them in his play. The Kapalikas embodied a serious, yet suspect, religious concept: Tantrism where religious enlightenment is attained through unorthodox rituals. Some of these notorious rituals were Madya (liquor) and Maithuna (ritual intercourse). Meanwhile, these rituals are satirically echoed by Nagasena, the Buddhist monk, who wonders why Buddhism disallows liquor and women. Jainism isn’t spared from Mahendra’s satirical pen as both Devasoma and Satyasoma describe Jains as heretics.Another sect we have knowledge of is the Kalamukha, a medieval Shaivite sect of the Deccan Plateau who were among the first professional monks of India. Their earliest monasteries were built in Mysore.Ramanuja, a Vaishnavite acharya, may have confused the Kalamukha with the Kapalikas in his Sri Bhasya work, in which he noted them as eating from a skull and keeping wine. Such practices were common for the Kapalikas but are atypical for the Kalamukhas. His writings may have been coloured by his experienced of being a member of a different school and being forced by the Kalamukhas and other Shavites to leave his native Tamil Nadu. There was also possibly a desire to discredit because of an element of fear or jealousy driven by the then rising popularity of the Kalamukhas. Nandi notes that:the Kalamukhas were a saivite sect of social and religious reformers with a strong social basis, whereas the Kapalikas were a sect of selfish self-seekers practising queer and gruesome rites at the cremation ground, away from human localities.
>>16518766Nonetheless, for many years scholars such as R. G. Bhandarkar believed the Kalamukhas to be a more extreme sect than the Kapalikas, despite acknowledging that Ramanuja's written accounta were confused. David Lorenzen believes this error lay in placing emphasis on Ramanuja's skewed written record above that placed on such epigraphical evidence from inscriptions as had been collated by the time Bhandarkar and others analyzed the situation.For more on Kapalikas and Kalamukhas, you can read… “Kapalikas and Kalamukhas”.Coming from these transmissions is the modern Vamachara practices.Vāmācāra (Sanskrit: वामाचार) is a Sanskrit term meaning "left-handed attainment" and is synonymous with "Left-Hand Path" or "Left-path" (Sanskrit: Vāmamārga).It is used to describe a particular mode of worship or sadhana (spiritual practice) that is not only "heterodox" (Sanskrit: nāstika) to standard Vedic injunction, but extreme in comparison to the status quo.
>>16518784These practices are often generally considered to be Tantric in orientation. The converse term is dakṣiṇācāra "Right-Hand Path", which is used to refer not only to "orthodox" (Āstika) sects but to modes of spirituality that engage in spiritual practices that not only accord with Vedic injunction but are generally agreeable to the status quo.Left-handed and right-handed modes of practice may be evident in both orthodox and heterodox schools of Indian religions such as Hinduism, Jainism, Sikhism and Buddhism and is a matter of taste, culture, proclivity, initiation, sadhana and dharmic "lineage" (parampara).Vamachara is particularly associated with the pancha-makara or the "Five Ms", also known as the pancha-tattva. In literal terms they are: Madya (wine), Mamsa (meat), Matsya (fish), Mudra (cereal), and Maithuna (sexual intercourse). Mudra usually means ritual gestures, but as part of the five Ms it is parched cereal.Vamachara traditions place strict ritual limits on the use of these literal forms and warn against nonsanctioned use. If so used they encourage the person to sin. Practitioners of vamachara rituals may make symbolic substitutions for these literal things, which are not permitted in orthodox Hindu practice. The fact that tantric practices can be done without involvement with the literal pancha-makara is emphasized by Swami Madhavananda, and said to have been practiced by numerous saints.
>>16518804Dating from around 850-900 CE, the Siva Sutras and Spandakārikā were the first attempt from the Śākta Śaiva domain to present a non-dualistic metaphysics and gnostic soteriology in opposition to the dualistic exegesis of the Saiva Siddhanta. The Siva Sutras appeared to Vasugupta in a dream, according to tradition. The Spandakārikā was either composed by Vasugupta or his student Bhatta Kallata.Somananda, the first theologian of monistic Shaivism, was the teacher of Utpaladeva, who was the grand-teacher of Abhinavagupta, who in turn was the teacher of Ksemaraja.The Kulamārga is a category of Saktism and tantric Saivism which preserves some of the distinctive features of the Kāpālika tradition, from which it is derived. It is subdivided into four subcategories of texts based on the goddesses Kuleśvarī, Kubjikā, Kālī and Tripurasundarī respectively. The Trika texts are closely related to the Kuleśvarī texts and can be considered as part of the Kulamārga.The Kulamārga is one of the roots of hatha yoga.What I'm interested in is Uttara Kaula Trika, or Kashmiri Saivism. Trika, a concept of Kashmir Shaivism, refers to the 3 goddesses Parā, Parāparā and Aparā which are named in the Mālinivijayottata-tantra.
>>16518815Kashmir Shaivism is a group of nondualist Tantric Shaiva exegetical traditions from Kashmir that originated after 850 CE. The Tantrāloka, Mālinīślokavārttika, and Tantrasāra of the Kashmirian Abhinavagupta (975–1025 CE) are formally an exegesis on the Mālinīvijayottara Tantra, although they also drew heavily on the Kali-based Krama subcategory of the Kulamārga.Abhinavagupta was a philosopher, mystic and aesthetician from Kashmir. He was also considered an influential musician, poet, dramatist, exegete, theologian, and logician – a polymathic personality who exercised strong influences on Indian culture.He was born in Kashmir in a family of scholars and mystics and studied all the schools of philosophy and art of his time under the guidance of as many as fifteen (or more) teachers and gurus. In his long life he completed over 35 works, the largest and most famous of which is Tantrāloka, an encyclopaedic treatise on all the philosophical and practical aspects of Trika and Kaula (known today as Kashmir Shaivism). Another one of his very important contributions was in the field of philosophy of aesthetics with his famous Abhinavabhāratī commentary of Nāṭyaśāstra of Bharata Muni.Abhinavagupta's thought was strongly influenced by Buddhist logic.
>>16518847One of the most important works of Abhinavagupta is Īśvarapratyabhijñā-vimarśini ("Commentary to the Verses on the Recognition of the Lord") and Īśvarapratyabhijñā-vivṛti-vimarśini ("Commentary on the explanation of Īśvarapratyabhijñā"). This treatise is fundamental in the transmission of the Pratyabhijña school (the branch of Kashmir Shaivism based on direct recognition of the Lord) to our days. Another commentary on a Pratyabhijña work – Śivadṛṣtyā-locana ("Light on Śivadṛṣṭi") – is now lost. Another lost commentary is Padārthapraveśa-nirṇaya-ṭīkā and Prakīrṇkavivaraṇa ("Comment on the Notebook") referring to the third chapter of Vākyapadīya of Bhartrihari. Two more philosophical texts of Abhinavagupta are Kathāmukha-tilaka("Ornament of the Face of Discourses") and Bhedavāda-vidāraṇa ("Confrontation of the Dualist Thesis").Abhinavagupta's most important work on the philosophy of art is Abhinavabhāratī – a long and complex commentary on Natya Shastra of Bharata Muni. This work has been one of the most important factors contributing to Abhinavagupta's fame up until present day. His most important contribution was that to the theory of rasa (aesthetic savour).This is where Buddhism reenters the dialogue.
>>16518874Vajrayāna (Sanskrit: वज्रयान, literally meaning either the Diamond Vehicle or Thunderbolt Vehicle) is the tantric corpus of Buddhism.According to Vajrayāna scriptures, the term Vajrayāna refers to one of three vehicles or routes to enlightenment, the other two being the Śrāvakayāna (also known as the Hīnayāna) and Mahāyāna.Founded by Indian Mahāsiddhas, Vajrayāna subscribes to Buddhist tantric literature.Various classes of Vajrayana literature developed as a result of royal courts sponsoring both Buddhism and Saivism. The Mañjusrimulakalpa, which later came to be classified under Kriyatantra, states that mantras taught in the Shaiva, Garuda and Vaishnava tantras will be effective if applied by Buddhists since they were all taught originally by Manjushri. The Guhyasiddhi of Padmavajra, a work associated with the Guhyasamaja tradition, prescribes acting as a Shaiva guru and initiating members into Saiva Siddhanta scriptures and mandalas. The Samvara tantra texts adopted the pitha list from the Shaiva text Tantrasadbhava, introducing a copying error where a deity was mistaken for a place.The goal of spiritual practice within the Mahayana and Vajrayana traditions is to become a Bodhisattva (i.e. attainment of a state in which one will subsequently become a Buddha—after some further reincarnation), whereas the goal for Theravada practice is specific to become an arhat (i.e. attain enlightenment with no intention of returning, not even as a Buddha).
>>16518926>Various classes of Vajrayana literature developed as a result of royal courts sponsoring both Buddhism and Saivism. The Mañjusrimulakalpa, which later came to be classified under Kriyatantra, states that mantras taught in the Shaiva, Garuda and Vaishnava tantras will be effective if applied by Buddhists since they were all taught originally by Manjushri. The Guhyasiddhi of Padmavajra, a work associated with the Guhyasamaja tradition, prescribes acting as a Shaiva guru and initiating members into Saiva Siddhanta scriptures and mandalas.So...IS it possible to be a Krsna devotee and also get into all this Dzogchen-Kapalika and five Ms- far-left hand stuff?Before you dismiss me as a retard, please consider Krsna is actually EVERYTHING - his All Form is also Shiva, and the kalachakra time-god, and Kaali. And Maha Mantra is almost considered omnipotent (??) in itself, so Maha Mantra may be a stepping stone upon contacting or reaching qualified gurus and ascetic orders of the variety described ITT?
>>16518926In the Sutrayana practice, a path of Mahayana, the "path of the cause" is taken, whereby a practitioner starts with his or her potential Buddha-nature and nurtures it to produce the fruit of Buddhahood. In the Vajrayana the "path of the fruit" is taken whereby the practitioner takes his or her innate Buddha-nature as the means of practice. The premise is that since we innately have an enlightened mind, practicing seeing the world in terms of ultimate truth can help us to attain our full Buddha-nature.Experiencing ultimate truth is said to be the purpose of all the various tantric techniques practiced in the Vajrayana. Apart from the advanced meditation practices such as Mahamudra and Dzogchen, which aim to experience śūnyatā, the empty nature of the enlightened mind that can see ultimate truth, all practices are aimed in some way at purifying the impure perception of the practitioner to allow ultimate truth to be seen. These may be ngöndro "preliminary practices" or the more advanced techniques of the tantric sādhanā.Anuttarayoga Tantra (Sanskrit, Tibetan: bla na med pa'i rgyud), often translated as Unexcelled Yoga Tantra or Highest Yoga Tantra, is a term used in Tibetan Buddhism in the categorization of esoteric tantric Indian Buddhist texts that constitute part of the Kangyur, or the 'translated words of the Buddha' in the Tibetan Buddhist canon.
>>16518954In the New Schools of Tibetan Buddhism, Anuttarayoga Tantra is the highest of four classes and is associated with the Mahamudra route to enlightenment. According to the Gelugpa tradition, in Highest Yoga Tantra, the Buddha taught the most profound instructions for transforming sensual pleasure into the quick path to enlightenment, which in turn depends upon the ability to gather and dissolve the inner winds (Sanskrit: prana) into the central channel through the power of meditation.>The Tibetan Schools:Nyingma"The Ancient Ones" is the oldest school of Tibetan Buddhism and the original order founded by Padmasambhava and Śāntarakṣita. Whereas other schools categorize their teachings into the three yānas or "vehicles", Hīnayāna, Mahāyāna and Vajrayāna, the Nyingma tradition classifies its teachings into Nine Yānas, among the highest of which is Dzogchen. Terma "treasures" (revealed texts) are of particular significance to the Nyingma school.Kagyu"Lineage of the (Buddha's) Word". This is an oral tradition which is very much concerned with the experiential dimension of meditation. Its most famous exponent was Milarepa, an 11th-century mystic. It contains one major and one minor subsect. The first, the Dagpo Kagyu, encompasses those Kagyu schools that trace back to the Indian master Naropa via Marpa Lotsawa, Milarepa and Gampopa and consists of four major sub-sects.SakyaThe "Grey Earth" school represents the scholarly tradition. Headed by the Sakya Trizin, this tradition was founded by Khön Könchok Gyelpo (Wylie: 'khon dkon mchog rgyal po, 1034–1102), a disciple of the great lotsāwa Drogmi Shākya (Wylie: brog mi lo tsā wa ye shes) and traces its lineage to the mahasiddha Virūpa. A renowned exponent, Sakya Pandita, was the great-grandson of Khön Könchok Gyelpo.
>>16518961GelugThe "Way of Virtue" school was originally a reformist movement and is known for its emphasis on logic and debate. The order was founded in the 14th to 15th century by Je Tsongkhapa, renowned for both his scholarship and virtue. Its spiritual head is the Ganden Tripa and its temporal one the Dalai Lama.These first four major schools are sometimes said to constitute the Nyingma "Old Translation" and Sarma "New Translation" traditions, the latter following from the historical Kadam lineage of translations and tantric lineages. Another common but trivial differentiation is into the Yellow Hat (Gelug) and Red Hat (non-Gelug) sects.There is some interesting history in Tibet's interface with Christianity:The first Christians documented to have reached Tibet were the Nestorians, of whom various remains and inscriptions have been found in Tibet. They were also present at the imperial camp of Möngke Khan at Shira Ordo, where they debated in 1256 with Karma Pakshi (1204/6-83), head of the Karma Kagyu order. Desideri, who reached Lhasa in 1716, encountered Armenian and Russian merchants.
>>16518748It's uncertain. It overlaps heavily with mahamudra to the point they consider it the same, but not. It's recognized as very old and part of the Bon religion that predates Shakyamuni Buddhism. If we take all the claims as true in some respect but apply some educated guessing, there were native shamanic, tantric, and meditational instructions and practices in Tibet that predate Buddhism which syncretized with Kashmiri Shaivism and Buddhism at various points because they were already similar. Dzogchen is the end result, it's both very old and very reformulated through syncretism and terma.Vajrayana = Buddhism + Yungdrung Bön + Krama / Kālī-krama + Kashmir Shaivism (some of Buddhist tantras have parts copy-pasted basically copy-pasted from Krama, check out paper "History through textual criticism" by Alexis Sanderson).
>>16518945Krishna was an avatar of Vishnu and Vishnu took a lot of influence from Varuna. On the other hand, Virocana/Dainichi Nyorai (The Primordial Buddha) is also associated with Varuna and he is compared to the creator deity in the Japanese mythos, who in turn is translated to the mythological role of Varuna. Basically at the root of Ahura Mazda-Vishnu (Krishna)-Vairocana-Amenominakanushi seems to have its roots in pre-vedic Varuna worship, who in turn can be compared to Uranus of the Greeks. Perhaps he (Varuna) can represent the Afansievo tradition meanwhile Indra whose important eclipsed Varuna's could be representative of the Andronovo tradition.
>>16518134>who created IslamSource?
>>16519408Guru Shukracharya (Venus) was miffed that he wasn't chosen as the Guru of the devatas aka devas and that position belonged to Lord Brihaspati. Hence he aligned with the asuras. He worshipped Lord Shiva to get the Sanjedvani mantra which has the ability to bring back the dead and he used it to defeat the devas who had until then repeatedly defeated the asuras in battle. There is a lot more history after that involving the later avatars of Lord Vishnu like Narasimha as well as Prahlad the great devotee. Long story short, since devas were seen as upholds of vedic order, Guru Shukracharya strove all this time to defeat them in various ways. It is believed that Islam is an anti vedic system created by Guru Shukracharya to counter Vedic Dharma in Kali Yuga.Evidences for this can be found in texts like Bhavishya Purana where the meeting of Mohammad (coming from the words 'maha' meaning great and 'madras meaning obsessed) and Emperor Bhoja is described.
>>16520196https://hinduism-islam-asoka.blogspot.com/2010/04/allah-and-muslims-according-to-hinduism.html>Allah and Muslims according to Hinduism>We Hindus have this responsibility of speaking to our fellow muslims and open their eyes,and convince them to leave their Demonic religion.The following article can help you in convincing them>Shukracharya and Allah:>Shukracharya and Allah are same, and are worshipped by nearly one billion Asuras or Muslims>Proof:>1. Their holy day for worship is Shukravar (Friday), which is a dedicated day for Sukracharya, who is considered to be master of Shukra (Venus) planet>2. Shukracharya worshipped only one god “Lord Shiva”. He made it sure that every Muslim worships Shivalinga and circumambulate (Pradakshina) it 7 times, like Hindus do, when they go to Mecca for Haj.Follow the link for more information about Shivalinga or black stone in Kabba http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_stone>3. During the Hajj, Muslims follow exactly Hindu rituals of worshipping lord Shiva. They shave their heads. Male pilgrims are required to dress only a garment consisting of two sheets of white cloth (Dhoti), with the top draped over the torso and the bottom secured by a white sash, walks counter-clockwise (Pradakshina) seven times about the Kabba, the cube-shaped building, kisses the Black stone (Shiva lingam) in the corner of the Kabba, drinks from the Zamzam well (Ganga river)>4. Every Hindu knows the crescent moon to be associated with Lord Shiva, which is a symbol for Islam, and can be found on all the flags of Islam>5. Hinduism was prevalent in Arab, before Sukracharya converted Mohammed in a demon (Asuras) prophet and asked to convert other human beings in demons (Asuras)>The proof of this is the Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kabba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire
>>16520206>The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as Sayar-ul-Okul treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says:>"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram’s reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf us Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya’s behest.">For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script:>"Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum". (Page 315 Sayar-ul-okul)
>>16520211>Muslims and Asuras (Demons):>According to Hindu scriptures, following are the traits of Asuras, which fit completely on Muslims:>1. The meaning of Asura is those who do not follow Sura (Devas) as they follow Sukracharya the demon guru>2. Asuras derive pleasure from killing cows and "sajjana" (good and innocent people). Totally true as we can see in nearly every country Muslims are killing innocents in name of their religion>3. Asuras will breed fast in the earth – (10-12 per couple), fastest growing population>4. Asuras involve in mundane and physical sexual pleasure - they can have multiple wives>5. Their Guru (Master/Prophet) will be Sukracharya and their worship day will be Shukravar (Friday)>6. While normal human beings and gods will grow their hair in the head and shave off facial hairs (moustache and beard), Asura will do the other way around>7. Asuras will be a blind faith cult and will not believe in cosmic truth>8. Asuras ="Vigraha-Bhanjags" - they break idols everywhere and will not worship idols>9. Asuras do not believe in education and destroy "Vijnana" (knowledge). They destroy Guru Kula (ancient universities and libraries)>10. Asuras will be sellers of religion - this means multi level marketing (MLM) ring. Who is spreading the religion as MLM agents?>11. Asuras consider only far-away waters (land) as place of pilgrimage - a place away from old Indian sub-continent>12. Asuras, as a tribe, will be male chauvinists. They will consider females as just an object of physical happiness>13. Asuras will blindly follow their Guru (Prophet) as final authority. They will not be opened to any ideas or truth
>>16520216>14. Kalki Avatar will happen when; the world will be “aachhadit” (full of) with Asuras. The way Muslims (Asuras) are breeding it is no surprise that; the world is going to see their majority in some point of time. Then Kalki avatar will happen and destroy Asuras (Muslims) to get the earth rid of them. According to scriptures, “Lord Kalki will take birth in Sambhal village in the family of Vishnu Yash Sharma. He will worship Savitri and Lord Parshuram, an inhabitant of Mahendra Mountain will be his preceptor. After handing over the kingdom of Mathura to Suryaketu, he will then live in Haridwar (India) with his wife. After combating with faith-cult and Asuras, he will re-establish a true religion in the world.” Kalki Purana, I[2], Verses 11 and 15>Hence it becomes clear that Muslims are Asuras in this Kali Yuga, who worship Allah or Sukracharya, and finally Lord Shiva when they go to Hajj.Once again Hindus' suffering will end when the tenth avatar of Lord Vishnu will annihilate the Asuras>We Hindus have this responsibility of speaking to our fellow muslims and open their eyes, and convince them to leave their Demonic religion
>>16520221https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalachakra>Kālacakra (Tibetan: དུས་ཀྱི་འཁོར་ལོ།, Wylie: dus kyi 'khor lo) is a polysemic term in Vajrayana Buddhism as well as Hinduism that means "wheel of time" or "time cycles". "Kālacakra" is also the name of a series of Buddhist texts and a major practice lineage in Indian Buddhism and Tibetan Buddhism. The tantra is considered to belong to the unexcelled yoga (anuttara-yoga) class>The Kālacakra system also links the soteriological implications of social relationships to socio-political events. Negative events, such as the Muslim conquests of India and the decline of Buddhism in India, are linked to social segregation and divisions (based on corrupt Puranic teaching). Meanwhile, positive events such as the defeat of "the barbarian Dharma" (i.e. Islam) are linked with social and spiritual unification of all castes, outcastes and barbarians into one single vajra-family. Because the Vaisnava and Saiva Dharmas promote class prejudice (jati-vada), create a false sense of identity based on caste, and thus create social divisions, the Kālacakra tradition admonishes Buddhist practitioners not to admire or follow these Dharmas. The tradition also sees caste theory as being related to false theories of a self (atman), to linguistic prejudice (based around the belief in the superiority of Sanskrit) and to theories of a creator god>The Kālacakratantra contains passages that refer to a Buddhist kingdom called "Shambhala", which is ruled by a line of Buddhist kings that preserve the Kālacakra teachings. This kingdom is said to be located near mount Kailasa and its capital is Kalāpa. It also mentions how this kingdom comes into conflict with invaders called mleccha (barbarians), which most scholars agree refers to Muslims and the Muslim invasions of India
>>16520228>According to John Newman, the Buddhists who composed the Kalacakratantra likely borrowed the Hindu concept of Kalki and adapted the concept. They combined their idea of Shambhala with Kalki to reflect the theo-political situation they faced after the arrival of Islam in Central Asia and western Tibet. The text prophesies a war fought by a massive army of Buddhists and Hindus, led by King Raudra Kalkin, against the Muslim persecutors. Then after the victory of good over evil and attainment of religious freedoms, Kalki ushers in a new era of peace and Sambhala will become a place of perfection. Further battles with the barbarians are described as well in later eras>Urban Hammar notes that a passage from the tantra mentions a series of figures who are said to be in the service of demonic snakes. These figures are "Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, "The white-clad one", Muhammed and Mathani." Hammar adds that "Muhammed and his teaching of Islam is presented as a barbaric teaching and consequently the main enemy of Buddhism.">According to John Newman, passages from the Vimalaprabhā also mention a year from the Islamic calendar (403 AH, 1012–1013 CE). This supports the dating of this Kālacakra tradition text to the 11th century by Tibetan and Western scholars, as well as the link to the Indian history of that era which saw conflicts with Islamic Ghaznavid invaders. Alexander Berzin also notes that Tibetan sources mention the "barbarians" slaughtering cattle while reciting the name of their god, the veiling of women, circumcision, and five daily prayers facing their holy land, all of which leaves little doubt that the prophecy part of the text is referring to Muslims
>>16516791>>They also believe in the far out old cosmology in books like the bhagavata purana, which is inaccurate physical cosmology which they think is true, blended with mythological cosmology which they take literally down to every detail (and its very detailed).I'm not even Hindu but not lining up with basic physical science doesn't mean these scriptures can't be true. Learn about contemporary physics.
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>>16520626>>16515058Here's the most important part of the history of India.
>>16520652Cope.
>>16521201The arrival of the Indo-aryans happened in 1900 bce. They essentially had to adopt Indus Valley Civilisation technology and writing systems. The Vedic age where the majority of Hinduism theology transpired happened in 900 bce when the pure Indo-Aryan heavily miscegenated with the Harrapans and natives. So much so that in the Mahabharata Gita Krishna's name literally means black and Draupadi is described as dark skinned. This only shows that the ancient indians were not white 'aryans', they were heavily mixed. In 320 bce when Alexander the Great invaded india the men were described as darker then the rest of the men but less black than Ethiopians. The golden age of india was the 4th – 6th centaury which was when the Upanishads which were different to the vedas as they were more philosophical.
. Tibetan “Chod” is a diluted version of real Aghori kapala and khanda manda practices, where a Shaiva Tantric actually chops off their body parts (including the head), burns them in a fire to purify karmic-elemental impurities, and rejoins them to renew as a divine being with esoteric powers and knowledge. Dalai Lama himself says that the Himalayan Kundalini Yogis are the most mysterious. Even great Tibetan Dzogchen Master Chatrul Rinpoche said, “We are all Shiva Bhaktas (devotees).” It is because of such things many Theravada Buddhists (strict followers of Gautama Buddha’s original teachings) consider Tibetan Buddhists to be heretics. Many Shaivite sects like the deadliest fearsome Aghoris, raging warrior Naga Sadhus, devotional wisest Tamil Shaivas and Veera Shaivas, extensive skillful Kashmir Shaivas and Kaulas, fearless intense Nathas and Pashupatas, other obscure Kapalika sects, and ancient tribal (unorganized) predecessor sects have produced Rainbow Body beings before, during, and after Padmasambhava (and Tibetan Buddhism)
>>16520196https://classicalastrologer.com/2013/06/30/venus-the-cube-in-arabian-cosmology-1/>When we read the works of astrologers from other times and cultures we tend to feel we have a lot in common with them. For example, it is natural to assume that Venus must have much the same qualities and associations in our cultural tradition as she does in others Some accommodations are made, but we don’t expect radical departures. The fact is that Venus is multifaceted, one might even say protean, in Arabian cosmology. Venus is also closely related to the Moon, in ways we may not expect>It is well known by Traditional Astrologers, particularly those working in Mundane astrology, that Islam is under the governance of Venus. This is an ancient association which has been transmitted to us by both Muslim and non-Muslim scholars>What is not be so commonly known is that the importance of Venus preceded the inception of Islam by thousands of years in the Middle East. Ptolemy divided the four directions by triplicity>The one that would cover the Middle East and Central Asia, including what is now Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan is made up of “Taurus, Virgo and Capricornus in southeastern, and again is governed primarily by Venus on account of the south wind, but conjointly by Saturn because of the east wind.” (Tetrabiblos II 3)>The addition of Saturn is an important element here. So is the fact the exaltation of the Moon is Taurus and Venus the dispositor of Taurus>The tradition of worshipping Venus was widespread in ancient Arabia, where 360 gods and goddesses were adored. The Kaa’ba contained 360 idols which were eventually destroyed by Muhammad. Venus’s special day of the week is Friday and the form of this goddess is a cube, which is the sacred form for Arabs
>>16521660>This doesn’t correspond with the Platonic Solids, as understood by Kepler, but the source appears to be an Ancient Middle Eastern one, long preceding Plato or Pythagoras>“Plato argued that each of the elements could be thought of as being composed of the first four solids – the tetrahedron was fire, the cube was earth, the octahedron was air, and the dodecahedron was water. The final solid, the icosahedron, was applied to the “heavenly sphere” upon which rested all of the stars and planets.” (Isaac M. McPhee. Platonic Solids) In other words, the solids primarily relate to elements rather than planets>Historical evidence shows that in the late third millennium BC, worshipping mother goddesses was common in Iran, India, Central Asia, Mesopotamia, Syria, North Africa, and Europe>One of the first things that caught my eye on seeing footage of the Haj many years ago, was the participants circumambulating the Kaaba in an anticlockwise direction. This is highly unusual and in most traditions considered very harmful
>>16521664>The act of moving counter-clockwise is said to provoke or upset the natural course of the world – it went against the natural order From this comes havoc, destruction, and in general negative and unfortunate things to occur. Although we find this knowledge in the oldest Pagan sources, the clockwise movement came as a natural element to Christianity, perhaps because of its association with Solar Cults, including Zoroastrianism>In The Great Triad, Rene Guénon demonstrates two points of possible orientations. (i.e. Polar in Fig 13 and Solar in figure 14) “The first direction is one of the stars turning about the Pole when one looks North” the second is oriented to the Sun when looking South (50,51) The second is by far the most common>All other visible planets in our Solar System rotate in a counter-clockwise motion. Certainly, it would be impossible to view the direction of the orbit of Venus even with telescopes because of the planet’s extremely dense atmosphere>Her rotation is virtually stationary, with her day being longer than her year. She takes 243 days to turn once on her axis and almost 225 days to travel once around the Sun in orbit
>>16521669>There is no specific Qu’ranic reference to the best of my knowledge which would require this counterclockwise movement. However, Muhammad advised on many issues, ranging from how to cut one’s beard to making adoption unlawful. In virtually every case, he is concerned about doing everything in the opposite way to “the Pagans.”>It has also been suggested that moving in anticlockwise direction goes against time and revives the Sunnah of the prophet Ibrahim and of course, Muhammad>The Kaaba’s keystone is a meteorite set in what looks like female genitalia. The meteorite is essentially round, so there is no structural reason for this choice of setting. This harks back to pre-Islamic times as does Ramadan and much else. The participants at the Haj are ideally to kiss the meteorite and if that isn’t possible, they are to point at it each time they circumambulate the Kaaba>The Kaaba was home to 360 idols. Different families would worship different idols. For Muhammad’s family it was Allah. His father was named Abdulalla which means Slave of Allah. Of course it’s no coincidence that the number of idols is the number of degrees in the zodiac>This meant that Mecca’s income came largely from pilgrims visiting and worshiping the idols while spending money on the process. This was an early source of conflict between Muhammad and the Meccans>The site of the Kaaba itself is celestially aligned.: ”the structure holding the black stone is offset from the Cardinal Directions so that one wall is to the line connecting the Winter Solstice sunset to the Summer Solstice sunrise. The other side of the building faces towards the horizon and the rising of Canopus” (Penprase. Power of Stars. p.209) This sets the direction of prayer for Muslims worldwide>“The southwest orientation, dissimilar to other recorded temples in southwest Arabia, conforms to the Babylonian ancestral practice of an axis diagonal to the cardinal points
>>16521672>The raised platform style of the building seems derived, probably indirectly, from Babylon” (Natan 33)>The goddess Nahid, for example, is “alternately the wife, the sister or the mother of god. However, when she is the wife and mother of god, her symbol is the moon, and when she represents the goddess of love and music, the planet Venus.” (Mohammad Sadeq Nazmi Afshar. Nahid, Mother of Gods 2013) In effect, the Arabs took the Moon-god Sin, a male god of war. Over time, Venus replaced the Moon, while absorbing his qualities>An Armenian myth says: “the devil knew that if the god had intercourse with his mother, the sun would be born, and if with his sister, the moon would be born.” (ibid)>Muhammad is said to have literally split the Moon as a sign that he was a true prophet. I now wonder if the message isn’t also that the Moon-god is giving way to another. Today, the vast majority of Muslim nations use the Crescent, with or without Venus. But this association only came with the Ottoman Turks>However, Islam subscribes to a Lunar Calendar. The Lunar cycle is 28 days and so very naturally associated with the menstrual cycle>The goddess in her various names and guises is ubiquitous. Venus and Inanna are both what are known as dying and resurrecting deities: this death and rebirth myth is a product of simple observational astronomy. This is true in all cultures of observation and they are remarkably similar in their interpretations
>>16521676>Vedic astrologers Hart De Fouw and Robert E. Svoboda write of Venus:>“Sukr, [Venus] which has a 584-day cycle of visibility, appears as both the Morning Star and the Evening Star. In between these periods of visibility, each of which lasts about 263 days, come 2 periods of invisibility, during which Sukr is conjunct with Surya. When Sukr, as the Evening Star, moves toward its solar conjunction, it ‘sets’ in the sky — it appears lower and lower each night until that fateful night when it fails to appear at all, swallowed up by Surya, who may be identified here with Lord Shiva. Both Surya and Shiva represent the Universal Soul.” (Light on Life: An Introduction to the Astrology of India p.6)>Details may differ, but the core myth is always there. The amount of interaction between India, Persia and the Arabs may not have been massive, but is very well documented>In his twenty-year study, Dr. Rafat Amari writes: “we know that the term “Allah,” as the god of the moon, was derived from the Thamud god of the moon. His name was Hilal, or Hlal, which means “crescent.” Later, the name “Hilal” became Hilah, as we see in many inscriptions which were found in Arabia. In the Thamud inscriptions, he is found as H-ilah, Ha-ilah and H-alah. We see the same development for “Hilah,” the moon deity in Yemen, where Almaqah is called “Halal,’ or “Hilal, the Crescent>Safaitic tribes were nomads wandering in many parts of Arabia, especially in the north. The god of the moon was found in their inscriptions as “H-lah.” in the Safaitic inscriptions, the letter “H” pronounced as “Ha” is the definite article, “the.” It corresponds to the Arabic, “Al.”16 This led the Arabians to call him “Al-lah.” The big Star Athtar – Venus – Replaces the Moon for the Title of “Allah”” (The ‘Trinity’ in Islam p. 8)
>>16521682>This is intriguing, but I’m not convinced it’s perfectly true on all counts. Neither can I be absolutely certain of his intent. Apologists abound, as is the case with much of the studies on this subject. However, his contention that the Sabians did have a Moon-god and that Islam practices the same style and number of daily prayers, prostration, fasting for 30 days in observance of the Moon (Ramadan) and wear long white robes is well documented. Sabians are mentioned by name in the Qu’ran as a group that was on a righteous path and should have no fears. (see Sūrat l-Baqarah 2:62 – 7 Quran. Trans M.A.S. Abdel Haleem – Oxford)>Sabians were known “as “Star Worshippers.” Both Jewish and Islamic sources claim that Abraham was himself a star worshiper, and there is a mutual story told that after contemplating the setting of Sun and the Moon, he came to the conclusion that there must be one God.” (Kemal Menemencioglu @ http://www.hermetics.org/Sabians_of_Harran.html)>The ancient Sumerian Moon God, Sin was male and this association was carried over to the pre-Islamic cultures in the Middle East . Arabs, particularly insofar as he was a god of war. One of the names of Venus is Lucifer, which we usually consider as masculine>You will notice that Arab and Muslim representations of Venus do not always have feminine characteristics. The attributes are primarily love, music and finery. But the procreative and fertility attributes of, say Ishtar or Aphrodite, are still given to Venus. If she is the replacement for Sin, presumably she would also have war as an attribute>Although Ptolemy was looking at the Middle East and Central Asia when assigning Venus as the significator, the eventual Arab influence on the entire region is staggering. At the most basic level, Arabic is considered the only fully legitimate language of the Qu’ran, in spite of the fact that it pre-dates Classical Arabic and was more likely written down in Syrio Aramaic
>>16521685>Ptolemy couldn’t possibly have anticipated just how accurate his association would become. Some will consider this a dilemma, but it doesn’t need to be. I think this knowledge is crucial, particularly in Mundane astrology. It is most helpful though to consider the meaningful differences between the Western Classical and Arabian Venus, not least because of the association with the Moon
>>16520196In Southern Arabia, the most important deity was ʿAmm, the moon god. This was in stark contrast to most other civilizations in both the Old and New Worlds (the Mesoamericans, the Indo-Europeans, the Altaics, the Egyptians, the Aztecs, etc…), where the Sun reigned supreme. It turns out that 'Amm was not El, but Attar, a god associated with the Morning Star (Venus) who tried to dethrone El on his sacred mount and fell into the underworld. Sound familiar? ʿAmm, in fact, derives from a Proto-Arabic term for paternal uncle. Asherah of Ugarit entered the pantheon as ʿAmm's consort. The name also suffered a slight corruption and its epithet ʾElat became ʾal-Lāt. However, there is significant confusion surrounding ʾAl-Lāt's true relationship with Allah. While her Ugaritic ancestor ʾElat/ʾAṯirat was the consort of ʾEl, in Arabia she was of ʿAmm/Attar. That's the Moon/Venus god who tried to usurp El, if you remember. But when ʾEl arrived on the scene as Allah, things got confusing.
>>16522286Some tribes began to worship ʾal-Lāt as Allah's consort, while others saw her as a daughter. At least in Meccan tradition, she was a daughter. And she became the goddess of war and peace. In this form, she also had two sisters, Manāt and al-ʾUzzā, who remind me of the Triple Goddess Artemis-Selene-Hecate of Greek-Roman Mythology, who are also associated with the phases of the Moon. In any case, this Trinity was worshiped jointly by the entire Peninsula, together with Allah. Near Mecca there was a large structure that housed hundreds of statues, including those of the three sisters. This was called Kaaba, you may already know, the word literally means cube. In Mecca, they shaved their heads and circled around the Kaaba chanting the name of ʾAl-Lāt together with their sisters seeking her blessings, especially her. Part of this chant was:>“These are the exalted gharāniq, whose intercession is expected.”When Muhammad brought Islam to Arabia, he was questioned by the pagan inhabitants of Mecca whether al-Lāt, Manāt and al-ʾUzzā should be worshiped because they are daughters of Allah, the Qur'an says:>“Now, have you considered the idols of Lāt and ʾUzza and the third, Manāt as well? These are the exalted gharāniq, whose intercession is expected. Would you rather have sons while ascribing to Him daughters? So this is actually a biased distribution! These idols are mere names that you and your ancestors invented, a practice that Allah has never authorized.”
>>16522292Remember that chant? The Meccans interpreted this as Muhammad's endorsement of pagan practices and returned to worshiping the three sisters. This error is known as the Satanic Verses. Of course, Muhammad recanted and corrected himself as soon as he realized this by saying that in fact Iblis (Satan), not the Angel Gabriel, whispered this in his ear. But the incident caused considerable embarrassment and was eventually expunged from all official Islamic narratives. Thus, while ʾEl became Yahweh Elohim in Judaism and Allah in Islam. ʿAmm/Attar, the original Arabic Moon/Venus god, became the Crescent Moon, the symbol of Islam. The curious thing is that Jewish Kabbalists associate the angel Gabriel, who supposedly revealed Islam to Muhammad, with the Sephirah of Yesod (Moon), that to its upper right is Netzach, the Sephirah of Venus. Yesod is associated with the male sexual organ of Adam Kadmon and Islam is obsessed with sex, its paradise being an eternal orgy with 72 virgins. Pure coincidence.
>>16522296>The curious thing is that Jewish Kabbalists associate the angel Gabriel, who supposedly revealed Islam to Muhammad, with the Sephirah of Yesod (Moon), that to its upper right is Netzach, the Sephirah of Venus. Yesod is associated with the male sexual organ of Adam Kadmon and Islam is obsessed with sex, its paradise being an eternal orgy with 72 virgins. Pure coincidenceIt is also curious that to the upper left of Yesod is Hod, the Sephirah of Mercury, a planet that was associated with the Greek god Hermes, known in Egypt as Thoth and in the Hellenistic period as Hermes Trismegistus, which Muslim esotericists associated with Idris, the Arabic name of the Prophet Enoch. Medieval Europeans called him Termagant.
>>16522304BTW The Goetia texts of the Middle Ages/Modern Ages were attributed, in addition to Solomon, to a certain "Toz Graecus".https://booksofmagick.com/toz-graeci/>This Key of Solomon family mentions Toz Graecus who is said to have received the secrets from King Solomon. The title typically contains the phrase “secretis secretorum‘ (‘Secret of Secrets’). They have the same format as the Abraham Colorno Text-Group with two books of about thirty total chapters but with no traditional pentacles section>These manuscript contain what should be considered the oldest Key of Solomon content. A example of this is Lat. 18510 which shares much of the same content with the earliest known Key of Solomon manuscript, Compilazioni di vari trattati latini d’astrologia, necromanzia, magia, medicina, ecc, ca. 1446. I have added this manuscript below for comparison>Lat. 18510 and Lat. 15127 randomly assign Candaries (Pentacles) to the 72 angels of the Shemhamforash however the manuscripts from the ‘Secret of Secrets’ text-Group (i.e. Le secret des secrets, autrement la clavicule de Salomon, ou le veritable grimoire – RSL 210 N 37) add a corresponding angel name to each. Many of these manuscripts, although forming their own family of texts, also mention Toz Graecus including RSL 210 N 37 and Wellcome 4662 whose ‘Secrets of Secrets’ they are attributed. I have added two such manuscript in the ‘Related’ section below for comparison
>>16522337>‘Toz Graecus’ vs. ‘Secret of Secrets’ Pentacles:
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>>16522337>>16522357>>16522362>>16522366>>16522370>>16522377Context:>The Secretum Secretorum or Secreta Secretorum (Latin for "secret of secrets"), also known as the Sirr al-Asrar (Arabic: كتاب سر الأسرار, lit.'The Secret Book of Secrets'), is a treatise which purports to be a letter from Aristotle to his student Alexander the Great on an encyclopedic range of topics, including statecraft, ethics, physiognomy, astrology, alchemy, magic, and medicine. The earliest extant editions claim to be based on a 9th-century Arabic translation of a Syriac translation of the lost Greek original. It is a pseudo-Aristotelian work. Modern scholarship finds it likely to have been written in the 10th century in Arabic. Translated into Latin in the mid-12th century, it was influential among European intellectuals during the High Middle Ages>The Secretum Secretorum claims to be a treatise written by Aristotle to Alexander during his conquest of Achaemenid Persia. Its topics range from ethical questions that face a ruler to astrology to the medical and magical properties of plants, gems, and numbers to an account of a unified science that is accessible only to a scholar with the proper moral and intellectual background. Copland's English translation is divided into sections on the work's introduction, the Manner of Kings, Health, the Four Seasons of the Year, Natural Heat, Food, Justice, Physiognomy, and Comportment>The enlarged 13th-century edition includes alchemical references and an early version of the Emerald Tablet>The Emerald Tablet, the Smaragdine Table, or the Tabula Smaragdina[a] is compact and cryptic Hermetic text. It was a highly regarded foundational text for many Islamic and European alchemists. Though attributed to the legendary Hellenistic figure Hermes Trismegistus, the text of the Emerald Tablet first appears in a number of early medieval Arabic sources, the oldest of which dates to the late eighth or early ninth century
>>16522412>Who is Toz Graecus?>Many variations of the name, Toz Graecus, have appeared in magical texts since the medieval period. De universo by William of Auvergne (1231-36) refers to him as Toz le Grek (Toz the Greek). Lynn Thorndike suggests that this name is a corruption of Thoth ie. Hemes Trismegistus, the Greek god of wisdom, writing, hieroglyphs, science, magic, art, judgment, and the dead. Trithemius cites Toez Graecus (Toz the Greek) in his Antipalus Maleficiorum (written in 1508.) Sloane 3847, one of the earliest known editions do the Key of Solomon (1572), is attributed to Ptolomy the Grecian, yet another corruption of the same name. To the contrary, Graziella Federici Vescovini has suggested that “Toz” derives from the Arabic “Ta’us” which translates to “Peacock” in English based on the usage of the name in the famous Arabic grimoire, Picatrix. In Mathers preface to his translation of Clavicula Solomonis he presents the introduction from Additional MS. 10862, which tells a story of one Iohe Grevis being among a group of Babylonian philosophers that were determined to restore the sepulcher of King Solomon. Upon digging up the tomb, they found the Key of Solomon sealed in an ivory casket (as Solomon had instructed his son Roboam to bury with him). However, none of these men could comprehend it until Iohe Grevis implored them to beseech the Lord for guidance. He was granted the presence of an angel, and subsequently his desire to understand the book. Grillot de Givry (Witchcraft, Magic & Alchemy, 1931, p. 103) cites him as Tozgrec which is no doubt, a condensed version of Toz Graecus. The list goes on…
>>16522423>The Manuscripts>Below are the major Key of Solomon manuscripts that are categorized in the ‘Toz Graecus’ Text-Group. In addition, I have added other Toz Graecus attributed works. One such work is titled, la Veritable Magie Noire (or ‘The True Black Magic’) which is an early printed edition of the Key of Solomon by one, Iroé-Grego. There are only 2 known editions, both dated 1750 but printed in ca. 1790 and ca. 1830 respectively. Below is the ca. 1790 edition.
>>16522412>>16522423>>16522435The most curious thing is that the planet Mercury in Jyotisha (Vedic Astrology) is called Budha.>Budha (Sanskrit: बुध, "awakened intelligence") is the Sanskrit word for the planet Mercury. Budha is also a god of Planet Mercury. He is also known as Somaya, Rohinaya, and rules over the nakshatras (lunar mansions) of Ashlesha, Jyeshtha, and Revati>Budha was the son of Soma, a descendant of the ŗşi Atri, the husband of Ila, the father of Purūravās, and the regent of the planet Mercury (M. Bh.), the god of trade and commerce and the patron of merchants and entrepreneurs. He represents intelligence, intellect, communication, analysis, the senses (especially the skin), science, mathematics, business, education, research, the written word, and journeys and adventures of all types>Budha and Buddha can be traced to buddhi, the intellect, the human ability to distinguish between reality and delusion. Buddha uses intellect to become wise. Budh uses intellect to be smart, slippery even cunning. The two cannot be more different from each other. Buddha is associated with silence, stillness and serenity; Budh is associated with communication, travel and exchange. And yet, both crave for the truth>Buddhist scriptures inform us that Buddha’s birth is preceded by auspicious omens. His mother dreams of a white elephant entering her womb; it is foretold the child will either be a great king or a great sage. Buddha’s mother, Maya, dies soon after childbirth. He is raised by his aunt Mahaprajapati. He is named Siddhartha. He marries, has a child, but then is confronted with the miseries of worldly life — oldage, sickness, death — that he has been kept away from by his father, Suddhodhan. He wonders what is the cause of suffering. He goes in search of the truth. Truth makes him Buddha, the enlightened one
So how did India go from this rich history and culture to what exists now?
>>16522658>While Buddha has two mothers, Budh has two fathers. His mother, Tara, goddess of the stars, and wife of Brihaspati, the planet Jupiter, elopes with Chandra, god of the moon. Brihaspati represents cold ritual rationality. Chandra represents hot passionate romance. Tara prefers the latter over the former but the gods are divided over the righteousness of the act. A great war is fought between those who side with Brihaspati who claims the rights of a husband and those who side with Chandra who claims the rights of a lover. Finally, Tara is forced to return to her husband. She comes bearing a child. Whose child is it? Both Brihaspati and Chandra claim to be the fathers. Tara refuses to reveal the secret, until the unborn child demands to know the truth. Tara says it is Chandra. This makes Chandra happy but Indra insists that Brihaspati raise the child. Law thus triumphs over love>In some versions of the story, alluded to in the Navagraha hymn composed by Vedanta Deshika, Brishaspati curses Budh to be born as a non-man. This is the reason why in images of the Nava-graha, nine planets of astrology, Budh is sometimes portrayed as man and sometimes as a woman. He rides a Yali, a liminal being, a lion with the head of an elephant, alluding to his mercurial shape-shifting nature. Budh later marries Ila, a prince cursed to be a man on full moon nights and a woman on new moon nights. The children of these two mercurial beings establish the Chandra-vamsa, the lunar dynasty of kings, whose story is told in the Mahabharata>Thus Budh is associated intimately with the most violent epic in India while Buddha is associated with the doctrine of self-control, meditation and non-violence. Budh may be more mythic and Buddha more historical but both have a powerful hold on the Indian imagination. They represent the two ends of the spectrum of possibilities offered by buddhi, the human intellect
>>16522658>>16522679In addition to this etymology linked to Mercury, Buddhism has the Triratna representing the three jewels of Buddhism, and it consists of two serpents twining round a diamond rod (vajra), and forming a circle and a crescent, symbolic of the sun and moon, in exactly the same way as the Caduceus of Hermes or Mercury. >The Triratna (Pali: ti-ratana or ratana-ttaya; Sanskrit: tri-ratna or ratna-traya) is a Buddhist symbol, thought to visually represent the Three Jewels of Buddhism (the Buddha, the Dhamma, the Sangha)>The Triratna symbol is composed of:>A lotus flower within a circle>A diamond rod, or vajra>An ananda-chakra>A trident, or trisula, with three branches, representing the threefold jewels of Buddhism: Buddha, the Dhamma and the SanghaHermeticism and Buddhism are derived from the same source, the Trismegistus (Three Times Great).
>>16522670I wouldn't say dark age, but the Rigvedic Aryans were a relatively primitive people compared to the BMAC/Harappans who had actually gone thru droughts and such. The RV mentions that dasas had far superior metal weapons, chariots, and castles. It does not distinguish between iron or bronze. It took centuries for the Aryans to assimilate properly, and new ideas to develop. By 800 BC you have the events of the Mahabharata and Gita, both texts showing a pretty complex political landscape. By 400 BC you have the Ramayana showing the same thing. In places where the Aryans did not reach, such as the south, cultures developed in relative isolation but ofc there was still exchange both ways. >>16521201For some reason your image claims that India entered a dark age in 1060 CE, even though Delhi was never an important center in indian history. North India was considered to be in its dark age in the 14th century when the final libraries and universities were destroyed. South India fortunately was able to defend itself and actually expand out to SEA, so they in fact had a medieval golden age.
>>16522337>>16522423>The Goetic demons are the 72 infernal spirits listed in the Ars Goetia section of the Lesser Key of Solomon. They are alternately called "demons" or "spirits," depending on the translation and the source of the text. They are closely connected to the 72 Kabbalistic angels, and are subject to them>Egyptian mythology credits Thoth with the creation of the 365-day calendar. Originally, according to the myth, the year was only 360 days long and Nut was sterile during these days, unable to bear children. Thoth gambled with the Moon for 1/72nd of its light (360/72 = 5), or 5 days, and won. During these 5 days, Nut and Geb gave birth to Osiris, Set, Isis, and Nephthys>Yaldabaoth is the first ruler, who took great power from his mother. Then he left her and moved away from the place where he was born. He took control and created for himself other realms with luminous fire, which still exists. He mated with the mindlessness in him and produced authorities for himself. The rulers created seven powers for themselves, and the powers created six angels apiece, until there were 365 angels. These are the names and the corresponding appearances:>Athoth, whom generations call the reaper, he rules the Sphere of the Moon, who has the face of a sheep, who engenders Alpha, and whose qualities are goodness, darkness, growth and waning>Thoth was a Moon god. The Moon not only provides light at night, allowing time to still be measured without the Sun, but its phases and prominence gave it a significant importance in early astrology/astronomy. The perceived cycles of the Moon also organized much of Egyptian society's rituals and events, both civil and religious. Consequently, Thoth gradually became seen as a god of wisdom, magic, and the measurement and regulation of events and of time. He was thus said to be the secretary and counselor of the Sun god Ra, and with Ma'at (truth/order) stood next to Ra on the nightly voyage across the sky
>>16522911>The Kitab al-Ustuwwatas is a curious Islamic text, which transmits a Saturnine anecdote from India. The text relates that at a time when India was still uncivilized and people were essentially 'savages,' there ruled a king called Safnadula. He had a dream in which Saturn appeared to him as a 'black man,' and instructed him to convene all his governors together for a religious ceremony before the black stone idol of Saturn. Safnadula did so, and all 72 of his nobles came for the religious event. The nobles and the statue were incensed, and an animal was sacrificed before the idol. The 'black man' emerged from the idol, and bestowed one of his 72 spirits to each of the nobles, along with the secret name of that spirit, so that the noble would be able to invoke or evoke the spirit when he returned to his home province>The manuscript, interestingly, provides the names of the 72 spirits, in case some aspiring magician wishes to try such a ceremony at home. These spirits are said to have entered into the nobles, and empowered them to be effective at 'civilizing' the various kingdoms which make up India. It is worth noting here that one major distinction of medieval Islamic magic is that there is to be a recurring theme of a magician being able to evoke a spirit visibly before a crowd, with the expectation that the entity will appear in visible form." This tradition is also interesting, because it connects Saturn with the earliest levels of government, and depicts an ancient time in which Saturn is the only deity, and the patron of the state. This is echoed by the Roman tradition, in which Saturn is the founding deity of the Italian kingdom
>>16522916>Shani (Sanskrit: शनि, IAST: Śani), or Shanaishchara (Sanskrit: शनैश्चर, IAST: Śanaiścara), is the divine personification of the planet Saturn in Hinduism, and is one of the nine heavenly objects (Navagraha) in Hindu astrology. Shani is also a male Hindu deity in the Puranas, whose iconography consists of a figure with a dark complexion carrying a sword or danda (sceptre) and sitting on a crow. He is the god of karma, justice, and retribution, and delivers results depending upon one's thoughts, speech, and deeds. Shani is the controller of longevity, misery, sorrow, old age, discipline, restriction, responsibility, delays, ambition, leadership, authority, humility, integrity, and wisdom born of experience. He also signifies spiritual asceticism, penance, discipline, and conscientious work. He is associated with two consorts: Neela, the personification of the gemstone sapphire, and Manda, a gandharva princess>Shani is depicted wearing blue or black robes, having a dark complexion and riding a vulture or on an iron chariot drawn by eight horses. He holds in his hands a bow, an arrow, an axe and a trident. He is canonically represented riding on a large crow or vulture which follows him wherever he goes. Some Hindu texts also depict him riding other animals such as a horse, a snake or a buffalo, while Buddhist texts from Northeastern India and Nepal uniformly represent him mounted on a tortoise
>>16522925>Shani is believed to be an incarnation of Krishna, on the authority of Brahma Vaivarta Purana where Krishna says that he is "Shani among planets". He is also called Saneeswar, meaning "Lord of Saturn", and is designated the task of granting the fruits of one's actions, thus becoming the most feared amongst Hindu astrological gods. He is often the most misunderstood deity in the Hindu Pantheon as he is said to cause persistent chaos in one's life, and is known to be milder if worshipped>Shani is the basis for Shanivara – one of the seven days that make a week in the Hindu calendar. This day corresponds to Saturday – after Saturn – in the Greco-Roman convention for naming the days of the week. Shani is considered to be the most malefic planet that brings restrictions and misfortunes>Sani (Slowly-moving one), aka Sanaischara (One who moves slowly) aka Saneeswara (The god who is slow) is the planet Saturn among the nine planets. His other epithets include, Chhayatmaja (Son of Chhaya), Saura or Sauri (Son of Surya), Ara, Kona, and Kroda. He is the son of Surya and Chhaya and is the only planet with the epithet Iswara (god.) He takes 30 years to make a full round of the Sun and so he becomes the slowest among the planets. He was made lame by his half brother Yama. He is the indicator of longevity, diseases, death, base actions, reason for death, danger, slave hood and cattle wealth in a person's horoscop>He is described as one with very hard hair, of black colour, phlegmatic, one with thick teeth, one having red eyes, one with base character, slow witted, lazy and well proportioned. He is the owner of Makara and Kumbha rasi of the horoscope, powerless in mesha rasi and extremely powerful in Thula rasi. Shukra (Venus) and Budha (Mercury) are his friends, Jupiter equal, sun, moon, and Kuja (Mars) are his enemies
Thank you OP this has all been very interesting
>>16522286>>16522292>>16522296>>16522304>The motif of the fall of heaven also has a parallel in Canaanite mythology. In ancient Canaanite religion, the morning star is personified as the god Attar, who tried to occupy the throne of Hadad and, finding that he could not, descended and ruled the underworld. The original myth may have been about the minor god Helel trying to dethrone the high Canaanite god El, who lived on a mountain to the north. Hermann Gunkel's reconstruction of the myth told of a mighty warrior named Hêlal, whose ambition was to ascend higher than all other stellar deities, but who needed to descend to the depths; thus portrayed as a battle the process by which the bright morning star does not reach the highest point in the sky before being faded by the rising sun>Among the ancient South Arabians, 𐩲𐩻𐩩𐩧 (ʿAṯtar) was a masculine deity who had retained the prominence of his role as the deity of the planet Venus as the Morning Star, and was a god presiding over thunderstorms and who provided natural irrigation as rain. ʿAṯtar thus held a very important place within the ancient South Arabian pantheon, in which he replaced the old Semitic high god ʾIl as the supreme deity>Within South Arabian polytheism, ʿAṯtar held a supreme position within the cosmology of the ancient South Arabians as the god presiding over the whole world, always appeared first in lists, and had various manifestations with their own epithets. The rulers of the ancient South Arabian states would offer ritual banquets in honour of ʿAṯtar, with the banquet being paid for from the tithe offered to the god by populace>The patron deity of the Qatabānians, however, was the Moon-god, variously called 𐩲𐩣 (ʿAmm, in Qatabān) or 𐪊𐪚𐩬 (Sayīn, in Ḥaḍramawt), who was seen as being closer to the people compared to the more distant figure of ʿAṯtar, and the people of these states consequently called themselves the children of Moon-god
>>16523434The patrons of Islam were both the Moon and Venus, with Muhammad's family before the creation of Islam being ancient devotees of a lunar/venusian god of war.References to Venus/Ishtar/Cybel are plentiful among the elite, remembering that homosexuals, prostitutes, STDs, sexual degeneracy and transvestism are ruled by this star, she was also patron of demons as she was both a celestial and subterranean deity. In Jyotish, Venus is Shukra and therefore guru and "godmother" of the asuras while Jupiter was guru of the devas, but unlike Saturn she seems to be beneficent and in some cases graces the faithful not only with riches but also other earthly pleasures and spiritual knowledge, the Pentagram is its symbol is something even more interesting; Kobo daishi, the creator of Shingon Buddhism reached enlightenment in a long devotional ritual to the morning star, this star represented by the Bodhisattva Kokūzō, the more you study Japanese esoteric Buddhism the more you realize that they are deep in Astrotheology.The Esoteric Buddhism is linked with Ancient Vedism pre Hinduism and Persian Mithraism, they all drank from the same source and evolved in similar ways but while Mithraism and Vedism died out Shingon Buddhism became the only connection with esoteric Aryan religions pre-Islamic invasion and Hindu expansion (some scholars say that Bön Buddhism is also a holdover from this era). All points link to the fact that planets are gods, kek.The Goetia entities are compelled to act at the behest of the practitioner by the authority of Saturnian and Venusian forces, both celestial bodies that are supposed to rule chthonic creatures.
>>16523437>the Pentagram is its symbol is something even more interesting; Kobo Daishi, the creator of Shingon Buddhism reached enlightenment in a long devotional ritual to the morning star, this star represented by the Bodhisattva Kokūzō, the more you study Japanese esoteric Buddhism the more you realize that they are deep in AstrotheologyInterestingly, Shinto had Sacred Prostitution.>Sacred Prostitution, Temple Prostitution, Cult Prostitution and Religious Prostitution are general terms for a rite consisting of paid intercourse performed in the context of religious worship, possibly as a form of fertility rite or divine marriage (hieros-gamos). Scholars prefer the terms “sacred sex” or "sacred sexual rites" in cases where payment for services is not involved>Sacred prostitution was once practiced by the miko within traditional Shintoin Japan. There were once Shinto beliefs that prostitution was sacred, and there used to be lodgings for the temple prostitutes on the shrine grounds. This traditional practice came to an end during the beginning of the Meiji era, due to the encroachment of Western Christian morality, and the government implementing the Shinbutsu bunri; which, among other things, drastically decreased the roles of themiko, and modified Shinto beliefs until it became what is now colloquially referred to as State Shinto>During the Kamakura period, many shrines and temples, which provided for miko, fell into bankruptcy. Some miko started travelling in search of livelihood and came to be known as aruki miko (歩き巫女 lit. walking shrine-maiden). While aruki miko primarily provided religious services, they were also widely associated with prostitution>Wandering Miko Aruki Miko (歩き巫女) are a historical variety of miko, or Shinto priestesses, from Japan. Wandering miko are characterised by their lack of allegiance to any particular shrine or temple, instead performing their religious duties in various locations over time
>>16523439>While not belonging to specific Shinto shrines, wandering Miko made their living by traveling around the country praying, ordaining, and advocating. Similarly, some wandering miko also worked as itinerant poets and prostitutes. For this reason, they could also be called shirayumoji (白湯文字, an ordinary woman who secretly engages in sex work), or tabi-jo-rō (旅女郎, a prostitute who travels alone on foot to meet various clients). Other terms included azusa miko (a priestess who performed rites by playing a bowstring) or kumano higauni (a priestess who spread the Kumano faith throughout Japan)>Other varieties if wandering miko including the waka (若, priestesses who served "offshoot" shrines known as wakamiya), agata (miko who traveled rural areas), shirayama-miko (a miko of the shirayama faith), and moriko (the wife of a yamabushi) are all said to have carried their gods with them and traveled from place to place to perform rituals such as the kamado harahi and to act as mediums>While not belonging to specific Shinto shrines, wandering Miko made their living by traveling around the country praying, ordaining, and advocating. Similarly, some wandering miko also worked as itinerant poets and prostitutes. For this reason, they could also be called shirayumoji (白湯文字, an ordinary woman who secretly engages in sex work), or tabi-jo-rō (旅女郎, a prostitute who travels alone on foot to meet various clients). Other terms included azusa miko (a priestess who performed rites by playing a bowstring) or kumano higauni (a priestess who spread the Kumano faith throughout Japan)
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>>16515058Munda have a lot of recent migrant ancestry from Austroasiatics.
>>16518013Links to yoga are spurious. We don't know much about it other than a man sitting down. There are depictions of Cernunos like that so it can be a false positive.Indra is not from BMAC, soma might be.New Sramanic traditions originated from elites common people are not drivers of change but rather participants in it.
>>16516791>up to twoProbably more. Vaasudeva being the most important one.
>>16524223>Indra is not from BMACThe origin of Indra involves the demotion of Dyaus Pita, the original supreme God of the PIE, to a figurehead and, according to some hymns, father of Indra (denoting a pacific transition of kingship between him and the new king of the gods, Indra) in the Vedas, with Witzel having the Aryans pick him up in the BMAC period (where they discovered the Soma and Indra is the god of the Soma ritual), while Parpola favors a cultural exchange with Uralic peoples before the migration into South Asia.>Indra is called vr̥tragʰná- (literally, "slayer of obstacles") in the Vedas, which corresponds to Verethragna of the Zoroastrian noun verethragna-. According to David Anthony, the Old Indic religion probably emerged among Indo-European immigrants in the contact zone between the Zeravshan River (present-day Uzbekistan) and (present-day) Iran. It was "a syncretic mixture of old Central Asian and new Indo-European elements", which borrowed "distinctive religious beliefs and practices" from the Bactria–Margiana Culture. At least 383 non-Indo-European words were found in this culture, including the god Indra and the ritual drink Soma. According to Anthony:>"Many of the qualities of Indo-Iranian god of might/victory, Verethraghna, were transferred to the god Indra, who became the central deity of the developing Old Indic culture. Indra was the subject of 250 hymns, a quarter of the Rig Veda. He was associated more than any other deity with Soma, a stimulant drug (perhaps derived from Ephedra) probably borrowed from the BMAC religion. His rise to prominence was a peculiar trait of the Old Indic speakers."
>>16524251>Dyaus (Sanskrit: द्यौष्, IAST: Dyáuṣ) or Dyauspitr (Sanskrit: द्यौष्पितृ, IAST: Dyáuṣpitṛ́) is the Rigvedic sky deity. His consort is Prthvi, the earth goddess, and together they are the archetypal parents in the Rigveda>Dyauṣ stems from Proto-Indo-Iranian *dyā́wš, from the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) daylight-sky god *Dyēus, and is cognate with the Greek Διας - Zeus Patēr, Illyrian Dei-pátrous, or Latin Jupiter (from Old Latin Dies piter Djous patēr), stemming from the PIE Dyḗus ph2tḗr ("Daylight-sky Father")>The noun dyaús (when used without the pitṛ́ 'father') refers to the daylight sky, and occurs frequently in the Rigveda, as an entity. The sky in Vedic writing was described as rising in three tiers, avamá, madhyamá, and uttamá or tṛtī́ya>Dyáuṣ Pitṛ́ appears in hymns with Prithvi Mata 'Mother Earth' in the ancient Vedic scriptures of Hinduism>In the Ṛg·veda, Dyáuṣ Pitṛ́ appears in verses 1.89.4, 1.90.7, 1.164.33, 1.191.6, 4.1.10. and 4.17.4. He is also referred to under different theonyms: Dyavaprithvi, for example, is a dvandva compound combining 'heaven' and 'earth' as Dyauṣ and Prithvi>Dyauṣ's most defining trait is his paternal role. His daughter, Uṣas, personifies dawn. The gods, especially Sūrya, are stated to be the children of Dyauṣ and Prithvi. Dyauṣ's other sons include Agni, Parjanya, the Ādityas, the Maruts, and the Angirases. The Ashvins are called "divó nápāt", meaning offspring/progeny/grandsons of Dyauṣ. Dyauṣ is often visualized as a roaring animal, often a bull, who fertilizes the earth
>>16524253>Dyauṣ is also known for the rape of his own daughter, which, according to Jamison and Brereton (2014), is vaguely but vividly mentioned in the Rigveda>Dyauṣ is also stated to be like a black stallion studded with pearls in a simile with the night sky>Indra's separation of Dyauṣ and Prithvi is celebrated in the Rigveda as an important creation myth>The Aryans looked up to the bright sky and worshipped it under the name of Dyu or Dyaus. This term is equivalent to the Greek Zeus and the first syllable of the Jupiter It is also similar toTiu of the Saxons and the Zio of the Germans>These common names under which the sky-god was worshipped by the different cultures of ancient times prove that the sky was worshipped under these names by the primitive Aryans in their original home. So, earliest divine power in Vedic literature is Dyaus Dyaus was referred as Dyaus Pitr, which later became Ju-piter Pitr means Prithvi and Dyaus was coupled with prithivi and the two Dyaus-Prithivi are the universal parents>Rig-Vedic Aryans called the sky of day as Mithra corresponding to the Zend Mithra; and they called the sky of night Varuna, corresponding to the Greek Ouranos Varuna, apart from being the god of the sky, is also the god of law of nature Rta Varuna is also lord of the Patal Loka (nether world). He is one of the most prominent gods in the Rig-Veda, and lord of the heavens and the earth>Indra and Marut>While the Hindu Aryans of the Punjab continued to worship the ancient sky-god under the ancient names of Dyu, Mitra, and Varuna, they paid special homage to the sky that rains, which they called Indra Rise of rivers and the luxuriance of crops depend on the rain-giving sky; and in course of time, Indra became the most prominent deity in the Vedic society
>>16524251Witzel says all kind of stupid shit like Para munda IVC. Indra is a counterpart of a deity found in all other IE religions. There might be some aspects picked up from BMAC like soma but that's about it.
>>16524273>Indra is a counterpart of a deity found in all other IE religionsParjanya has more IE equivalents than Indra.>Parjanya (Sanskrit: पर्जन्य, IAST: parjánya) according to the Vedas is a deity of rain, thunder, lightning, and the one who fertilizes the earth>It is assumed Parjanya is the udder and lightning is the teats of the rain-cow, accordingly rain represents her milk. Also, he is sometimes considered as a rain-bull controlled by the superior Indra. The thunder is his roar. He is the father of arrow or reed which grows rapidly in rainy season. He is also considered as a protector of poets and an enemy of flesh-eating fire>He is also related with Lord Varuna as a deity of clouds and as punishing sinners. In the Atharva Veda it is mentioned that prayers are dedicated to Parjanya, to invoke the blessings of rains. He is also responsible for vegetation and is also associated with cattle>Parjanya is also symbolized as the brother of Aditi, and husband of Prithvi, the Earth. He is also described as the father of Soma, and the protector of the Soma plant>Parjanya is also the name of a Lokapala, the regent of the north and king of clouds. Maruts that consists of several Gods is also associated with Parjanya. Thunderbolts created by Parjanya are powerful as they cause entire mountain ranges to disappear or appear immediately. He is also coined as `divine father`>The deity can be identified with various other Indo-European Gods such as Slavic Perun, Lithuanian Perkūnas, Latvian Pērkons and Finnish Perkele "god of thunder", Gothic fairguni "mountain", and Mordvin language Pur'ginepaz
Is it really possible to get enlightened in this single lifetime? What are the most secure\reliable and time-tested Tantric methods?Phowa before death if terminally ill? Extensive Bardo training...but that requires 6 yogas of naropa which I think requires the full Kalachakra initiation and vow keeping- which in turns requires Ngondro and thus quite possibly a retreat.But another parallel (?) route will be to do Vajrayogini full practice after Kalachakra. there's also Mahagriva, Hevjara and Mahakala but I dunno much about those.
>>16524295Parjanya is also associated with frogs, kek.>They who lay quiet for a year, the Brahmans who fulfil their vows, The Frogs have lifted up their voice, the voice Parjanya hath inspired>What time on these, as on a dry skin lying in the pool's bed, the floods of heaven descended, The music of the Frogs comes forth in concert like the cows lowing with their calves beside them>When at the coming of the Rains the water has poured upon them as they yearned and thirsted, One seeks another as he talks and greets him with cries of pleasure as a son his father>Each of these twain receives the other kindly, while they are revelling in the flow of waters, When the Frog moistened by the rain springs forward, and Green and Spotty both combine their voices>When one of these repeats the other's language, as he who learns the lesson of the teacher, Your every limb seems to be growing larger as ye converse with eloquence on the waters>Onc is Cow-bellow and Goat-bleat the other, one Frog is Green and one of them is Spotty. They bear one common name, and yet they vary, and, talking, modulate the voice diversely>As Brahmans, sitting round the brimful vessel, talk at the Soma-rite of Atiratra, So, Frogs, ye gather round the pool to honour this day of all the year, the first of Rain-time>These Brahmans with the Soma juice, performing their year-long rite, have lifted up their voices; And these Adhvaryus, sweating with their kettles, come forth and show themselves, and none are hidden>They keep the twelve month's God-appointed order, and never do the men neglect the season. Soon as the Rain-time in the year returneth, these who were heated kettles gain their freedom>Cow-bellow and Goat-bleat have granted riches, and Green and Spotty have vouchsafed us treasure. The Frogs who give us cows in hundreds lengthen our lives in this most fertilizing season. (Rigveda 7.103)
>>16524295Epithet of Indra, and Indra can be plausibly traced to a PIE source. There are other proposals but the case is strong for the root from from IE. Furthermore the whole smashing of forts sounds like an Indo Aryan interaction with BMAC (IVC fell too early for this) so at least that sounds like an enmity.
>>16515058>bhimbetka rock art>older than the french onesmade me look>"Some of the Bhimbetka rock shelters feature prehistoric cave paintings and the earliest are dated to 10,000 BCE"but Chauvet cave mogs it>"A study published in 2016 using additional 88 radiocarbon dates showed two periods of habitation, one 37,000 to 33,500 years ago and the second from 31,000 to 28,000 years ago, with most of the black drawings dating to the earlier period."both quotes come from the respective wiki articles.so, pajeet wewuzzing again?
>>16524413>Epithet of IndraIndra was a non-IE god that replaced Parjanya when the Aryans assimilated BMAC.>Indra can be plausibly traced to a PIE sourceBecause he absorbed characteristics from Parjanya just as the Puranic deities did with the Vedic ones.Basically, almost everything you may know about hinduism is mostly Puranic in nature. Just as an example- Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva (at least in their popular versions) are Puranic deities. There is a Shiva (Rudra) and Vishnu in the Vedic tradition, but they act as subordinates to Indra (who himself is like a twin of the Vedic creator Agni). Most Puranic deities are re-worked Vedic ones. Like Vishnu is mostly a re-worked version of the older Varuna, Shiva is mostly a re-worked version of the older Indra/Rudra and Brahma is the re-worked version of the creator Agni. But all in all, by the period of the later Vedic ages, the (late Vedic) tradition came to the view that Varuna, Indra/Rudra, Agni and every other deity is a different iteration of the same Brahman.tl;dr- They start off with a Dyaus, then the early Vedic tradition splits it into Indra and Agni, then they re-converge into Brahman in the late Vedic period, and then split again in the Puranic tradition.
>>16518013Hinduism in its present structure is an amalgamation of 4 distinct theology - a form of popular faith which Atharva Veda vaguely hints at, which was brought by the people who once inhabited of Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex; the Rig Vedic pastoralists who came from north of Afghanistan; the native worshippers of the God-couple of a hunter and the nature venerated by smooth erect stones, the crocodile and the ocean and the other native worshippers of formless God-couple venerated by Sun and a primaeval moon.The religious syncretism is clearly depicted in the kind of mythological stories that Hinduism deems holy. The original Rig Vedic deities, centred around Indra(Thunder) like Agni (fire), Varuna (Water of ocean and the sky) and Rudra(Storm and War) are like the Sanskritic version of Greek and Roman pantheon which in turn are the European version of Phoenicians and ultimately it distill down to Sumerian archetypes. The Puranic traditions which are written very late, well into the Indian subcontinent chastize Indra and reject his supremacy in lieu of syncretic Gods that arise out of Vedic+Native gods. Vishnu while retaining the Vedic name, is nowhere near his Vedic image, instead, he is depicted as an omnipotent God having his domain in a watery-place. Rudra is transformed into Shiva, a hunter-like God who wear Cheetah skin and live high in mountains and creator Brahma who is denied worship. These mythological events mirrored the conflict that the followers of these sects went through in order to gain supremacy.
>>16518285Dont forget drinking shaman piss too
>>16515766Same reason Persians fought the Greeks and Romans by the time indo europeans settled in the new lands after generations they all forgot about there past but a few until colonisation happened one of Britain claims to India was that Indians where indo European descent I can’t remember the following words where.Back to Persia some Greeks where aware of there indo European ancestors and some did see the connections between Greeks and Persians
>>16515766In the Battle of the Ten Kings in the Vedas, an Aryan tribe finds itself cornered by other Aryan tribes. There the Vedas tell us that those Aryans had turned into Dasyus by worshipping the Asura, then the lone Aryan tribe of Trutsu-Bharata conducts a ritual of Ashvamedha (horse sacrifice) dedicated to Indra, before heading into battle. One of the “betraying” Aryan tribes is Pahlava/Parsu aka the Persians, who arrived in battle. Suddenly, Indra strikes from above, and “cast such hell upon them that their boldest were slain”. Indeed, this is also the first instance where a non-Aryan King, King Sudas, is given Aryan status for helping Indra’s loyal men. Because Indra says, that a former enemy is much better than a traitor.In the Vedas, Indra is described as a slayer of evil. He drinks Soma, which is milk, and cannibis. He kills the serpent who is guarding a heavenly fortress, and opens the gates of heaven allowing Indus and Ganga and the oceans across the world to fill. He is also seen striking thunderbolts and killing thousands of people. He is the prime God of the Vedic scriptures. Okay, so how is this related to Zoroastrianism? Well, in the Zend Avesta, Indra is not a God but a demon. An evil demon who kills people without any reason and drinks a sinful drink called Haoma which gives him uncontrollable rage.
>>16524910I am well aware of Veda vs Upanishad vs Puranas. You are operating on the assumption that Indra must be from BMAC. I don't have reason to believe it since the IE scenario makes more sense to me. IE people probably had negative interactions with BMAC (they might have been the stingy merchants that Aryans sold copper to) and Vritra as a representation of drought is a better representation of the BMAC influence (a desert dwelling people) in Vedic literature than Indra is.Also Vishnu probably has something to do with the same common source as Viddar.
>>16526239The Rig Veda itself says that the Divine beings who started Vedic civilization came from the North West, specifically from a mountain/ mountain range called Meru, and, led by Indra. The land of Meru, from where the Vedic Aryans originated, is still called Marv/Mari/Margiana/Murghab. It is part of the Oxus (Bactria-Margiana) civilization located around Turkmenistan. BMAC/Oxus was part of Greater Andronovo-Sintashta, which also included: Arkaim in Russia, Sogdiana, Kushan/Yuezhi/Tocharians in China, and Gandhara in Afghanistan.
>>16515058Good Morning, Sir.
>>16527432Meru can be argued to be a metaphysical mountain and the IE ancestors came from Europe which is even further northwest of BMAC.
>>16529966>Meru can be argued to be a metaphysical mountainMount Meru is literally also called Sumeru (Sumer). The Indus valley culture had close ties with that of Southern Mesopotamia and the cult of Ea/Enki, it is considered for example Indra was represented in Sumer by Nindara.https://www.academia.edu/10344521/An_Indo-European_god_in_a_Gudea_InscriptionA Theological conflict emerging in the minds of the Babylonians did not affect the Indus valley culture continuing to worship this side of the Pantheon as the Deva. The Northern Iranians were culturally much closer to the Northern Mesopotamian cult of Enlil and that side of the Pantheon not based in nature and pro-creation but rather abstract phenomena this they took as the Asura, it was likely as a result of the Babylonian position that they doubled down on that side of the Pantheon against the Deities of nature. Babylon was in the unique position to create this schism between the Northern and Southern traditions, the Elohist aversion to nature Deities that developed is also part of the greater picture of a reaction against Babylon.
This is the best thread on /his/ in a long time. Bravo, saar!
surprisingly decent thread
>>16530011There's a very obscure early first Millenium Babylonian text which concerns itself with a conflict between 360 Anunnaki led by Enlil and another group led by Marduk/Martu/Mar-Biti/Son of the Absu. This has to be connected for what became seen as the schism between the Asura and Deva, Aesir and Vanir, as team Marduk can be associated with Enki's side of the Pantheon, including his consort Damkina, and were the child of the Abzu can be taken as the son of Enki. The reasons why this Theology transpired are very deep.https://www.academia.edu/1480914/Damkina_shall_not_bring_back_her_Burden_in_the_future_A_new_Mythological_Text_of_Marduk_Enlil_and_DamkiannaIn Hinduism, Mount Sineru, or Mount Meru is identified as the location where Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva reside; it's said to be the center of the universe. In Buddhism, Mount Sumeru is the location where Sakkha (Indra) resides with the 33 gods, the "asuras" were gods living on top of Mount Sumeru, and they were told by the god Sakhra not to drink the alcoholic beverages because they are potent, they did so anyways and got drunk, it was so unaristocratic that Sakhra and the gods tossed them off the mountain and they became demonic versions called "asuras", and they are in constant warefare trying to overthrow Heaven.
>>16530036The conflict between the two factions is seemingly resolved by Damkina unleashing her full power level, though it's not clear what that involves, the name of the text is basically "Don't make me have to do this again..."
>>16530039She loses it but nobody's sure quite what, but there are deeper issues as Marduk/Martu is simply the Divine personification of the Amorite that is equating himself with the Child of the Abzu/Abyss as the son of Enki.
>>16530042Even Enlil didn't know what he was supposed to have done.
>>16530011>>16530036>>16530039>>16530042>>16530044The Asura correspond to Enlil's side of the and the Deva to Enki's, but the disagreement probably arose with rejecting Amorite/Marduk claims to represent those who emerged from the Abzu, they claimed descent from the guardian of the Abzu Dedanu/Ditanu meaning ther Bison Man and also the seven sages as the Rephaim.Ezekiel 16:2-3 says that Abraham was an Amorite and his wife Sarah was Hittite. The deep lore is that the likes of the Amorites and Akkadians saw themselves as descended from the legendary Bull/Bison figure (DIDANU/DITANU) that was the guardian of the Abzu and King of the Rephaim in Mesopotamian/Canaanite tradition (Fun Fact: The word Titan in Greek Mythology comes from him), which related to the stars of Centaurus and in that sense guarded the mysteries of the deep, the seven sages as teachers and developers of humanity were understood as emerging from the Abzu, and were also non-human before the hybrid scribe and scholar classes became seen as entirely human, these the Ab-gal/Apkallu, great one of the deep, who taught the Tree of Life to the Sumerians.For Canaanites, Ditanu/Didanu was El, also known as Moloch/Cronus according to the Phoenician historian Sanchoniathon. The important thing is that these Apkallu were priests of Enki/Oannes, whom occultists consider to be the first Hermes (Trismegistus), the first Apkallu is Adapa, the Sumerian Adam, and the last Apkallu is Utuabzu, "who ascended to heaven", like Enoch. Among them are five other Apkallu that exactly match the five antediluvian biblical patriarchs between Adam and Enoch.>The star to its side, the Harrow, the weapon of Mar-biti, within which one sees the Abyss (The western part of Centaurus)>The two stars that are behind him, Shullat and Hanish, Shamas and Adad (Two stars in Centaurus)>Mul-gish-Ganur “constellation-wooden-Harrow” (Crux) is seen on the Dendera Zodiac, Bull man with implement
>>16530049Mar-Biti who supposedly fights against Enlil is the child of the Abzu seen in the constellation Eridu next to Bison Man with Harrow, the Abyss/Abzu is represented by the rectangle beneath a beast representing the river ordeal. The Harrow itself may indicate the method to locate Celestial South using the two pointer stars of Centaurus Shullat and Hanish (Alpha and Beta Centaurus) and Crux, those two Stars in Mesopotamian tradition were connected to the causing of the flood, as they related to the waters of the deep.>Lahmu, meaning parent star or constellation, is the name of a protective and beneficent deity, the first-born son of Abzu and Tiamat. He is often associated with the Kusarikku or "Bull-Man". Lahmu guarded the gates of the AbzuThe bull man with Harrow then seen at Dendera is derived from Lahmu guardian of the Abzu, Ditanu the Bull man, and that connected to the greater cult of Enki and the emergence of life from the sea, including his daughter Nanse who arrived on the foam of the sea, this translated into Classical tradition as the pointer stars of Centaurus likely represented by Aphros and Bythos, the personifications of foam and abyss, these can be seen on the Temple of Neptune drawing Neptune and Amphitrite, the personification of the Sea. They can also be seen bringing forth Venus and her son Eros/Cupid from the shores of the sea, and like her could be understood as translated to the star Anunitum the Fish of Pisces, that derived from the Sumerian cult of Nanse. Centaurs, particularly Chiron were the general mentors and guardians of the Deities connected with the passions, such as Bacchus and Dionysus which also relate to Eros, and ultimately the greater connection is to the senses and origins of organic life itself, through the cult of Enki.
Centarus was created in honor of Chiron, son of Cronus and teacher of Hercules. Venus was born from the sea foam that was formed when Uranus' testicle was cut by Cronus's sickle, Dionysus in the Orphic Mysteries is the reincarnation of Phanes, the Luciferian creator of the universe and son of Chronos (Father Time) who hatched him as a lion-faced serpent/dragon around an egg.>The serpent-dragon is the most polysemous of symbols. Even in its earliest manifestations it served to both symbolise and synthesise the disparate domains of cosmogony, astral lore, earth energy and the life-force that lays dormant in all sentient life. We can locate this most primordial manifestation of the godhead in the Orphic creation myth that we find rendered in the Estensi Phanes relief. The 2nd century CE Church Father, Athenagoras of Athens, records:>"According to Orpheus everything had its origin in water, from water mud was formed, and from mud an animal, a dragon bearing the head of a lion; and between the two heads there was the face of a god, named Heracles and Kronos. This god generated an egg of enormous size, which burst into two, the top part became the heavens, the lower part the earth.">Chronos, the primeval form of the godhead - a serpent-dragon also known as Herakles or 'the coiling serpent' - is depicted wrapped around the two parts of the egg and coiled around the luminous, golden-winged god, variously known as Phanes (Radiant), Protogonos (First-born), Eros (Love), Ericapaeus (Power) and Metis (Wisdom), who emerges from it. An androgynous being, facing the front this syzygy possesses male organs, to the rear, female; cloven hooves indicate his/her identity with that most universal force of nature, Pan. The deity bears the thunderbolt of Zeus in its right hand and the staff representing the polar axis in the left. Emerging behind the shoulders is a crescent moon; on the chest, the face of a lion, and to the left and right protrude a ram or bull and an ibex
>>16530068>"According to Orpheus everything had its origin in water, from water mud was formed, and from mud an animal, a dragon bearing the head of a lion; and between the two heads there was the face of a god, named Heracles and Kronos. This god generated an egg of enormous size, which burst into two, the top part became the heavens, the lower part the earth."Abzu was the primordial waters and Ea/Enki was the Sumerian god of waters. Heracles/Hercules comes from Ninurta, the Saturnian Annunaki son of Enlil.>The Labours of Heracles form a cycle like the victories of Ninurta. Ninurta is a vigorous champion, a son of the chief god Enlil. An Akkadian text (KAR 76.9) calls him aplu dannu ša Enlil, ‘the strong son of Enlil’, paralleling the formula used of Heracles, ‘the doughty son of Zeus’ (Dios alkimos hyios). In a series of Sumerian texts, starting with the Cylinders of Gudea in the 22nd century and continuing with other Ninurta texts in Sumerian and Akkadian, there are references to a series of monsters, each one different, which Ninurta has killed or captured in separate combats and brought back to his city as trophies>Among the creatures killed by Ninurta one can certainly recognize some analogies with the objects of Heracles’ Labours. The seven-headed serpent is the most unmistakable. There is also a terrible lion, corresponding to the Nemean Lion; a ‘buck’, which can be a stag or ram, and which might be matched up with the Cerynean Hind; the storm-bird Anzu, which could at a pinch be put beside the Stymphalian Birds; a crab that is trampled underfoot in a pool, recalling the crab that assists the Hydra against Heracles; and a ‘bison’, pictured as a bull-man, which is slain ‘in the middle of the sea’ and might be compared to the Cretan Bull. The captured bulls and cows that Ninurta adds to his dead trophies in Angim and brings back to Nippur may be put beside the cattle of Geryon
>>16530070>The connection with Heracles is strengthened by the fact that in most cases the Greek hero takes the object of his quest back to Eurystheus at Tiryns, as Ninurta takes all of his trophies back to Nippur. The correspondence would be still more striking if the canonical number of Heracles’ labours, twelve, were matched by that of Ninurta’s trophies, which number is consistently eleven in the Mesopotamian textsIn addition to Nippur, Ninurta was also very worshiped in Lagash, where those Sumerian statues with hooked noses rubbing his hands were found.
Best thread on /his/ right now
>>16515060>you can imagine the eastern part of India as the Greece and rome for EuropeLMAO pajeet please!
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>>16530011Linking Indo Aryans with Sumerians using confused etymology is not only a bad argument it makes the rest of them look even worse.
>>16531308It makes more sense than being at the North Pole.
i went down a rabbithole and read articles by ranajit pal and vedveer arya, what did i think of them?
>>16531950eh it's might not even be far off
>>16516797Kṛṣṇa-Vāsudeva is interesting because he's obviously heavily featured in the Mahabharata, but the epic was continually expanded for hundreds of years so we can't be sure about how he was described in the oldest version. As a human he's first mentioned in Chandogya Upanishad 3.17.6 (700-500 BC)>Ghora Āṅgirasa, having taught this to Kṛṣṇa son of Devakī...Despite the Kṛṣṇa of the Mahabharata also being the son of Devakī, the traditional commentators like Shankara don't make the connection and modern Hindu commentators seem divided about it. He's first mentioned as an object of veneration in Pāṇini's Aṣṭādhyāyī 4.3.98 (400-300 BC), but it also mentions Arjuna which might indicate veneration of great heroes rather than strictly gods>The affix वुन् [vūna] comes in the sense of 'this is his object of veneration,' after the words 'Vāsudeva' and Arjuna.However, the later commentary on this verse by Patañjali (200-100 BC) interprets Vasudeva as God>The word वासुदेव [Vāsudeva] here is the name of God and not the designation of a Kshatriya ...The Greek traveller Megasthenes (early 3rd century BC) mentioned that worship of Hercules was very common in India, he was probably equating Kṛṣṇa-Vāsudeva with Heracles because they both lived as men on Earth and wielded a club (really a mace for Vāsudeva). And the Bactrian Greek king Heliodorus made a dedication to Vāsudeva as "the god of gods" in the late 2nd century BC.
>>16531950Out of nowhere you bring up the north pole. Why? Both Sumer and North Pole are wrong. And the northwestern mountains could simply be Urals or the Carpethian mountains because the immediate Sintashta crossed the Urals and the distant EBA era ancestors were close to the Carthpathians and that memory could have been passed on. >>16532110Not revelant to Indo Europeans directly. Maybe some very distant memory of pre-Indo Europeans but it's not relevant.
>>16532192"Krishna" wasn't called Krishna before 4th century or 3rd century A.D.. I doubt that era Krishna-Vasudeva as a term would been around to be equated to Heracles. But you are right about the hero lore, if you haven't already, check out the Vrishni heros.
>>16531102bump
>>16532241>"Krishna" wasn't called Krishna before 4th century or 3rd century A.D.Huh, that's interesting. Is that the earliest evidence though? The books I've read say that Vāsudeva, "Kṛṣṇa", Nārāyana, and Viṣṇu became synchretised throughout the Indian classical era (about 350 BC - 500 AD) so we can't talk about a specific date they first appeared.The history of these gods is pretty poorly-attested so it's confusing. If the Chandogya Upanishad does refer to the same Kṛṣṇa son of Devakī as the Mahabharata, then that's pretty early evidence for him as a folk hero at least. If he was always the divinised king Vāsudeva is another question that I don't know enough about.
>>16527432-The turks do not arrive in the Near East or Central Asia until at least the 500s or so. There's some debate or question as to a few of the ostensibly non-Iranian invaders who arrive thereabouts with the migration of the Huns: Kidarites, Chionites, and a group I forget preceding the Kidarites. Some consider them Iranian speaking, some an Iranian populace led by a Turkic elite.-Instead, the linguistic majority for the Iranian Platea & Central Asia area are Iranian-speaking tribes. Traditionally a distinction being made between (in more classical to 0AD history) the Saka Iranian nomads concentrated beyond the Oxus (along with the Sarmatians who dwelt north and west of the caspian, more so west) and the more sedentary Iranians below - Bactrians, Sughdians, Arachosians, and so on. It's important to remember that nomadism did exist and would continue to exist (I think upwards of 25% of the Iranian population before the first Pahlavi emperor in the 20th century was still nomadic) beneath the "saka" lands. It's more the idea that in saka lands you would have little to no urbanization or settlement whatsoever, while in Chorasmia/Margiana/Sughdia/Bactria/Iran/Media/Media Atropatene you would have urbanization and nomadism.-As time goes on the Saka would start to migrate southward and settle, which is where you get the Indo-saka of India, the Kushans, Sistan of Iran/Afghanistan originates from Sakastan.-Iran was always greatly decentralized, and even the supposed centralization efforts of the Sassanids is a bit of a overinflation. Compared to the Parthains yes, but as this dry read illustrates the Sassanids continued to rely on the major Parthian houses (clans) for political and military support.
>>16534396-Mesopotamia is the most populated, most lucrative, and also least Iranian province for the Sassanids. It is almost entirely populated by Aramaean speakers (and then probably a slim minority of Arabs on the fringes) who are Jews, Christians, and Sabeans.-Sughdian culture has been discovered to have been a vibrant entity all its own and not just an echo of the Sassanids. It was Sughdian (and Gandharan, who would be Indo-Iranian in essence) merchants who largely brought Mahayana Buddhism to China and without them it's dubious if China would have ever become Buddhist. Similarly, it was largely Greeks and Indo-Iranians who formulated and codified Buddhism Or you could say perverted it from Siddhartha's original vision and created Mahayana buddhism.-Greek influences on Iranian culture were most acute during the Parthian period and probably the late Achaemenid given basically any Greek with money and influence could run to some Achaemenid court to hang out if he got into trouble back home or wanted to fly with the big money. The Sassanians pursued a much more aggressive Iranification to purge greek influences and the presence of the clerical Magi had no predecessor during the parthians or achaemenids. Similarly, the fighting of heresies (Zurvanism, Manichaeanism) was a new and irritating phenomenon.-Iranian courtly custom and the behavior of aristocracy in play is the single defining element that classical golden age Arab (and subsequent golden age Turkic) monarchies and courts imitated. If you can imagine the life of a 1,001 nights Sultan barring perhaps the excessive emphasis on harem purdah seclusion it's a dead ringer for Iranian (sassanian) court ritual, which in turn descended from Parthian and Achaemenid (which in turn was imitations of the earlier Babylonian court ritual and custom which in turn was imitation of the Assyrian which was imitation of the akkadian).
>>16534400-"Emperor is the Shadow of God on Earth", feasting, drinking, hunting, the emperor is the arbiter and bringer of justice, law and order. Honestly you know the 40k emperor? That is largely derived from the Byzantine or late Roman notion of the Emperor which is derived/influenced/shaped by the Sassanian notion and so on and so on. It's not a Charlemagne kind of emperor with limits and handicaps on power or a holy roman emperor. Now this is all in theory, in practice a Shahenshah would have the same troubles and problems of factionalism, practical limitations on power.-Achaemenid (famous cyrus cylinder) and Parthians were thoroughly tolerant and didn't really give two shits about foreign religions. Sassanids had more issues with this because of the symbiotic relationship of the Magi clergy's validation of the Shahnehshah's power and authority. Jews were persecuted the least compared to their treatment by the post-Christian Romans, Christians had a mixed record but by the late empire princesses or queens or wives of the Shahenshah could be Christian, Zoroastrian heresies were treated very badly and Manichaeans got the shit kicked out of them.-Outside of certain outliers living in mountainous territories (south of the caspian or daylam/Mazandaran/Gilan/Elburz, Caucasus, ect.) the Iranian love and association of equestrianism is highly evident. In those aforementioned areas infantry could be more abundant to the point that Strabo writes of the Caucasus folk fighting as adept on foot as on horseback and in wooded mountainous terrain, and the Daylami..well just look them up because they were from 500s to 1000s the premiere indigenous infantry of the Near East.http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/sassanian_economy.php
>>16533298Earliest written sources only use the word Vaasudeva. Krishna doesn't appear until 3rd century A.D.
>>16515058>which had roots in many places in western and eastern India, not merely in the nation of Pakistan.Pajeet seethe. The IVC arose in Balochistan and from there into Pakistan and from there into Bindia.
>>16530068>>16530070>>16530073There is a city named Nimrod in Mesopotamia which is the seat of the temple of Ninurta; a city which never had a king and was ruled by the priests of Ninurta who kept their god as the symbolic king. The Hebrews essentially just secularized the Assyrian mythopoetic tradition as an attack on their religion. It's the same variety of tactical atheism as social technology used in the rise of Christianity.The cult of Ninurta can be traced back to the oldest period of Sumerian history. In the inscriptions found at Lagash he appears under his name Ningirsu, "the lord of Girsu", Girsu being the name of a city where he was considered the patron deity. In the astrotheology system Ninurta was associated with the planet Saturn, or perhaps as offspring or an aspect of Saturn. In his capacity as a farmer-god, there are similarities between Ninurta and the Greek Titan Kronos, whom the Romans in turn identified with their Titan Saturn. Ninurta is associated with stars like Sirius (Sukudu meaning arrow) and Canismaior (qastu meaning bow). Ninurta is also identified with the star Sagittarius, which is the ninth sign of the Zodiac which is represented by a drawn bow and arrow and/or with a centaur using it. Thus a star of Saturn (Ninurta) is being fired.Freemasons call Nimrod Belus, who is according to Herodotus, a descendant of Ninus (a word corrupted from Ninurta), that the Greeks called Heracles (Hercules).
>>16534621>And if we include the Simurgh in this formula, we cannot forget that other half lion, half eagle - the Imdugud, or Anzu, of Mesopotamian myth and legend (see Chapter Sixteen). This monstrous creature was said to have stolen the Tablets of Destiny from the god Enlil (Ellil in Akkadian), which, when in its possession, gave 'him power over the Universe as controller of the fates of all', enough to endanger 'the stability of civilization'. Saying that the Imdugud had become 'controller of the fates of all', aligned it directly with the figure of Zurvan, who was also the controller of 'fate' or 'fortune'. So, in addition to its proposed connection with the Watchers, might the story of the Imdugud refer to the 'theft', or revealment, of hidden knowledge concerning the precessional time-cycle, which was seen by the Zurvanites as ruling over earthly 'destiny'?In Sumerian Mythology, it is Ninurta who kills Anzu and recovers the Tablet of Destiny. Ninurta was associated with the planet Saturn, which, if you know Roman Mythology, was the titan that controlled the time. Ninurta was also the cosmic man from whom all things were made.>Macranthropy is an allegorical concept where the universe is portrayed as a giant human body, with various cosmic elements represented as body parts. This concept has historical roots in several ancient civilizations>In Mesopotamian culture, macranthropy is exemplified in a hymn to Ninurta, where the god is depicted as a cosmic man. This hymn, believed to have originated from Kassite Nippur, portrays Ninurta in grand proportions, with major gods of the Mesopotamian pantheon represented as parts of his body, his clothing, and his weaponry.[ This imagery suggests that the hymn not only served as a religious text but also as a creative expression of the era's cosmological views. It is also thought that the Ninurta depicted in the hymn was a representation of a cult statue of the god
