>The USA did nothing wrong by embargoing Japan of oil during the Second Sino-Japanese War, a nation is not obligated to trade with people if it doesn't want toAlso America:>forces isolationist Japan to open its borders and trade with the outside world by firing cannons on it and threatening it with warI'm confused.
>>16528038Things change over 100 years, not sure why this confuses you.
>>16528038Bait thread no one can be this retarded
>>16528047What changed?
>>16528038>>The USA did nothing wrong by embargoing Japan of oil during the Second Sino-Japanese War, a nation is not obligated to trade with people if it doesn't want toCorrect. And it was a good thing because they would have used that oil to kill more people in China.>>forces isolationist Japan to open its borders and trade with the outside world by firing cannons on it and threatening it with warAnd that was a bad thing. Bigger army (or navy) diplomacy, using threats of violence to achieve political means.Anything else?
>>16528083American leaders and political establishment, at the most basic level.
>>16528038>>16528047Nah Anglo's are simply bloodlusted demons. They do they same thing across every region they interfere in.-In the balkans they supported various independence against the ottoman empire.-Naturally this made Austria and Russia more powerful.-They then invade Russia during the Crimean war.-Naturally this makes Austria more powerful.-They then help Russia destroy Austro-Hungrian empire.-Naturally this makes Germany and Russia stronger.-They then destroy Germany outlaw it from unifying with the Austrian rump state they created and by international agreement expel of germans from central amd southern Europe. A region they deliberately destabilized.-Having all their enemy empires (Ottomans, Austrians, Germans)crippled and partitioned turns Russia into a major super power for several decades. Which they seethe at.-They then invest massive amount's of iron, oil and trade into industrialized china to weaken Soviet influence in east asia. Durning and after the Soviet sino split.-Now the Anglo's saber rattle at tht same china they empowered to challenge the Soviets.Anglo's and their elite norman American cousins practice what i call "she swallowed a horse to catch a fly" geo politics. And hopefully for the sake of all of hum the horse they swallowed into the Bretton woods trade system kills them.
>>16528092So when will America face legal punishment and have to pay repartition money for that? You know, like Japan did.
>>16528083Well for starters Japan in 1853 wasn't an Empire and the US was not unofficially allied with a Chinese Republic
>>16528855>Retard's understanding of European geopolitics is that the UK is the only country that ever does anything and everyone else is just a hapless reactor to "Anglo" actions
>>16528038vae victis
>>16529875When someone big and strong forces them to
>>16529906So the Fascist belief is true: might makes right...
>>16529882>being an Empire is illegalI would consider America having land all the way in Hawaii and SEA to be imperialistic. Pretty sure Britain was still the British Empire and the Australian army was called the Australian Imperial Force. Why were they not embargoed then?
>>16529887German Prussia, the nation unified central Europe. Only survived the seven years war and took silesia from Austria (silesia mineral wealth is what allowed Prussia to become a great power.) Because the British were subsidizing Prussia's entire army. Ans that's just a single example.Down playing British global influence post 17th hundred is absurd.
>>16529949I was talking about God
>>16530066This is some Manifest Destiny shit.
>>16528038Fuck why did they make them so attractive
>>16528038Every single Axis apologist point boils down to claiming that the Allies are at fault because they should have known and treated the Axis states as violent animals incapable of agency. Every single Axis apologist point is literally just a "that kid scared the pitbull with its bad energy!" argument.
>>16528038>that picNazi apologists just can't help giving themselves away.
>>16528038the powerful act as they wish, the weak suffer what they must
>>16529962>Why were they not embargoed then?Because they weren't at war with US allies lol Also the USA did fuck over the British Empire and basically ensure they wouldn't survive past the war.
>>16530065>Only survived the seven years war and took silesia from Austria (silesia mineral wealth is what allowed Prussia to become a great power.) Because the British were subsidizing Prussia's entire army.You forgot the part where the Tsarina fucking died and was replaced by a literal Fredrick Fanboy who pulled off the greatest bullshit reversal in history by simply giving Fredrick a peace treaty with no strings attached + French indifference to helping out their Austrian allies and France basically just pussying out of the war with Prussia after Rossbach
>>16528038>The USA did nothing wrong by embargoing Japan of oil during the Second Sino-Japanese War, a nation is not obligated to trade with people if it doesn't want toTechnically, it was FDR's foreign policy. Many people in America disagreed with it, but he at least on the surface argued that it was in the US national interest even if that is difficult for us to believe. In retrospect, it probably didn't matter as Japan would have attacked us with or without that excuse anyway, they were gearing up for some kind of civilizational attack. The basic outline is the same, but some specific details might just have turned out somewhat differently than they did.On the other side of things, other countries like Japan did practice naval embargoes too, and the US was also embargoed by other powers in the past. That part does make sense to me even if it is unfortunate.>forces isolationist Japan to open its borders and trade with the outside world by firing cannons on it and threatening it with warIn those days, it wasn't possible for an Admiral in the Navy to communicate with the White House within minutes. It's just the way things had to be in the 1800s. Admirals in the US Navy were simply ridiculously powerful at the time. So the ultimate reason for this incident happening was the technology at the time, combined with the vicissitudes of Perry's way of administering things.Many of the so-called "imperialist" decisions of the distant past that people criticize now were nothing more or less than the best choice from several bad options, so that expecting otherwise, expecting one dude to solve world hunger, slavery, etc is the nirvana fallacy.Of course, the authoritarian regimes of the 20th century were deliberately malginant and destructive. They consciously chose and encouraged increased suffering. It makes no sense to compare Japan in 1945 to the age of imperialism. The empires didn't have a policy to genocide people, they were just making difficult decisions.
>>16532280>descrimination bad>descriminates
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>>16534186What's wrong with raping China?
>>16534186>kill civilians badAmerican officials say that's okay.'There are no innocent civilians. It is their government and you are fighting a people, you are not trying to fight an armed force anymore. So it doesn't bother me so much to be killing the so-called innocent bystanders'.- Curtis LeMay
>>16533184>In those days, it wasn't possible for an Admiral in the Navy to communicate with the White House within minutes.lol, what? This is a really absurd argument. 'We didn't know what to do so we potentially started a fucking war tee hee XP'.'Perry also demanded greater latitude in his orders from Webster, a demand the Secretary of State granted just before his death in October 1852. Perry thus sailed for Japan with "full and discretionary powers," including possible use of force if the Japanese tried to treat him as they had the unfortunate Commodore Biddle'.
>>16528038>a nation is not obligated to tradeIt's individual who trade, nations are the thing that gets in the way because they enjoy being evil.
>>16530066God is also might makes right if you really think about itWould you really follow the scriptures of a homeless bum if he had no magical superpowers?
>>16534320>It is their government and you are fighting a peopleLeast deranged statist cuck
>>16534343'Hence it comes that all armed prophets have been victorious, and all unarmed prophets have been destroyed'.
>>16534336>lol, what? This is a really absurd argument.It's true though, they weren't able to communicate in a split second, there was no intercontinental telegraph line or anything like that. So it was his decision based on his limited intel how to handle the situation and decide things in the best possible way and that's what he chose. He was the one who had to deal with the consequences. You can criticize it if you want I don't care. It's not the same today though, we have it easy with electronic communications. And what Perry did definitely doesn't compare to intentionally ethnically cleansing a region or anything like that. It's actually absurd to even try to make that comparison, but here I am anyway. (Next they'll be saying that Europeans invented smallpox when they came to America or that they invented slavery as well rather than ending those things, when simply put none of that is the case either.)>Perry thus sailed for Japan with "full and discretionary powers,"Exactly my point.
>>16534724When did I mention ethnic cleansing?
>>16534724>Exactly my point.Your point was Perry did it himself without discussing it with government though.>it probably didn't matter as Japan would have attacked us with or without that excuse anyway, they were gearing up for some kind of civilizational attackThe IJA wanted to focus on China, but they got stalled there. Then priority was given to the IJN, who planned the attack on PH.They were barely making progress in China, and Tojo said they weren't even planning to take Australia, so it's very doubtful they wanted to. Were they not forced to go south BECAUSE of the embargo? To search for oil.
>>16536509>Your point was Perry did it himself without discussing it with government though.Now you are conflating the discretionary powers that were necessarily given, with the specific details of what he encountered which couldn't be communicated in time. It is the latter which could not be discussed.>Were they not forced to go south BECAUSE of the embargo?That's what I would guess as well. FDR's policies are open to being questioned, but not the fact that the US could do embargoes if it was decided to be in their interest. The government has a duty and obligation to protect the lives of the people.
