https://dev.amren.com/news/2016/10/what-race-were-the-ancient-greeks-and-romans/>Recent films about ancient Greece such as Troy, Helen of Troy, and 300, have used actors who are of Anglo-Saxon or Celtic ancestry (e.g. Brad Pitt, Gerard Butler). Recent films about ancient Rome, such as Gladiator and HBO’s series Rome, have done the same (e.g. Russell Crowe). Were the directors right, from an historical point of view? Were the ancient Greeks and Romans of North European stock?>Most classical historians today are silent on the subject. For example, Paul Cartledge, a professor of Greek culture at Cambridge, writes about his specialty, Sparta, for educated but non-academic readers, yet nowhere that I can find does he discuss the racial origins of the Spartans>A hundred years ago, however, Europeans took it for granted that many Greeks and Romans were the same race as themselves. >Sixty years ago even Bertrand Russell, the British philosopher and socialist, believed that the Hellenes “were fair-haired invaders from the North, who brought the Greek language with them”>The Pelasgians, which is the name later Greeks gave to the pre-Hellenic population of mainland Greece, were also dark. They tended to have black, curly hair and olive-shaped eyes. Their type is plainly visible on many Attic (Athenian) vases, and has lead some scholars to conclude that all Greeks looked as they did.>Neither the Minoans nor the Pelasgians spoke Greek — the linear A inscriptions of the Minoans have still not been deciphered — so the Greek language must have arrived with the light-haired conquerors who migrated from the north, most likely from the middle Danube River Valley.>Thus, classical Greece was a fusion, both cultural and racial, of these two types of whites. Some city-states, such as Thebes and Sparta, were predominantly Nordic. Others, such as Athens, were predominantly Mediterranean, and still others were mixtures of the two.
>>16533355>linear A inscriptions of the Minoans have still not been deciphered
>Nell Painter, author of the above-mentioned History of White People, finds it “astonishing” that the American Nordicist Madison Grant (1865-1937) argued in The Passing of the Great Race (1916) that the Roman nobility was of Nordic origin, yet there is good evidence for this view>statues that clearly depict the Roman patricians not simply as Europeans but as northern European.>A good example of racial type is the famous portrait bust of Lucius Junius Brutus, the founder of the Roman Republic, which dates from the fourth century BC. Brutus’ face is identifiably Germanic, and so is the color of his eyes>There is also evidence from Roman names. Rutilus means “red, gold, auburn” and stems from the verb rutilo, which means “to shine with a reddish gleam.” Rufus, meaning red, was a common Roman cognomen or nickname used for a personal characteristic, such as red hair. The Flavians were an aristocratic clan whose family name was derived from flavus, meaning golden-yellow. The Flaminians were another noble family whose clan name came from flamma, meaning flame, suggesting red hair.>According to Plutarch, Marcus Porcius Cato had “red hair and grey eyes,” Lucius Cornelius Sulla, the general and dictator, had “blue-grey eyes and blond hair,” and Gaius Octavius (Augustus), the first Roman emperor, had “bright eyes and yellow hair.” Recent analysis of an ancient marble bust of the emperor Caligula found particles of the original pigment trapped in the stone. Experts have restored the colors to show that the demented ruler had ruddy skin and red hair.
>>16533355>>16533371Meme.
>>16533371>The love poetry of Publius Ovidius Naso, better known as Ovid, (43 BC to AD 17) offers much evidence of the color of upper-class Roman women during the early years of the empire. That Ovid ascribes blond hair to many goddesses — Aurora, Minerva, Ceres, Diana, and Venus — tells us something about the Roman ideal of beauty; that he describes many of his lovers the same way tells us that the Nordic type was still found in imperial Rome>So where did the Romans come from? They were a Latin people, although according to legend that may have some basis in fact, there were also Greek colonists and Trojan refugees among the founding races. The Latins were one of eight Nordic Italic tribes — Apulii, Bruttii, Lucanians, Sabines, Samnites, Umbrians/Oscians and the Veneti — who migrated into the Italian peninsula around 1000 BC. Of course, Italy was not vacant. The Etruscans lived to the north of Rome in what is now Tuscany, and there were other darker-complexioned whites living in the peninsula. The Etruscans are likely to have been Carians from Asia Minor.>Viewed in a historical context, it is almost as if today’s northern Europeans have set out perfectly to imitate the ways in which the Greeks and Romans destroyed themselves. In both Europe and America, patriotic young men slaughtered each other in terrible fratricidal wars. In North America, the descendants of slaves are the majority in many great cities. Both continents have paid for imperial ambitions with mass immigration of aliens. Will we be able to resist the forces that brought down the ancients?tldr ancient greeks and romans patricians were nordics, medlets in shambles
>>16533379Picenes vs Etruscans/Romans are basically North Italians vs Iberians
>>16533384Reality:
>>16533391this was written by a qualified historian, i don't think your little numbers hold a candle to him
>>16533400Kek>>16533355Here's a better articlehttps://www.greecehighdefinition.com/blog/2019/5/30/racial-type-of-the-ancient-hellenes-a-racial-analysis-of-the-ancient-greeks
>>16533371This is the bust of Brutus in question btw, definitely germanic especially the brown eyes.
>>16533400>genetics is not real bc it doesnt support my bogus claimsGet a grip.
>>16533355Most of them had blonde hair and blue eyes.
>>16533563Those are green eyes you colorblind medshit schizoRomans were aryan, seethe
>>16533603Uuuh anon, are you sure it's him who's color blind?
>>16533651The silence after this says volumes, fucking kek.
>>16533368Why should this interest me?>>16533391Makes sense. Del Mar writes that Greece (especially the coastal areas) was settled by Phoenicians.
>>16533651>>16533800I see brown too, red almost.
>>16535274>Del MarYou read two paragraphs from this guy a few hours ago and you're already dropping his name like you're related.
>>16533355they were indo europeans and therefore descendants of aryans
>>16535299Lol. Keep going my dude.
>>16533355One of the later articles this Jon Harrison Sims (pen name) wrote was justifying the whiteness of south american latinos https://dev.amren.com/news/2017/09/who-is-white-who-is-not-white-census-race-categories/>>16533371>>16533603The entire nordicist theory is based od bad faith actors and color blindness, hilarious.
>>16533355
>>16533603>>16535276That is clearly brown. He looks like Chiellini lol, nothing germanic in his look.
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>>16533400>the ramblings of a deluded amerimutt hold a candle to advanced DNA analysis holy kek
>>16533355Med
>>16535299Turks and Arabs also have significant Aryan ancestry and yet arent Indo Europeans nor speak one of their tongues. This is in contrast with low case poojeets who do speak an Aryan tongue but are 1/4th as Aryan as say a eastern Anatolian Turk. Aryan blood alone means nothing
>>16535276>>16535685The eye color is literally the same as the statues overall color you samefag schizo
>>16535852projecting hard
>>16533400And other qualified historians disagreeBeing a qualified historian doesn't mean much unless you are right
>>16535852So why did you claim it was green and called others colorblind? Here you are admitting it is indeed brown
>>16535905Inspect element isnt rocket science>>16535918Its literally green
>>16535921>it's green>it's the same as the statue's overall colorWhich is it?
>>16533355The elite was Northern European but the commoners were mixed race like modern Italians and Greeks.
>>16535926Both are a dark green
They made their statues of themselves of marble, which is pure white for religious reasons because the white flesh of the earth is of godly origin.
>>16533384Ήμεθα ανακτες και περιττώματα
>>16533355White.
This thread is full of trolls like those>>16535921>>16535978
>>16533355Minoans were not darker than Mycenean Greeks.
>>16533391Syrians are whiter than other middle easterners, I would know I have met them. Substitute them with Palestineans and post the result.
>>16536496I know a Palestinian and he was pretty white he even had green eyes
>>16536527Most Palestinians that I've met are browner than most Syrians that I've met.
>>16536568Ancedotally, Steve Jobs was Syrian IIRC.
>>16533355>Sixty years ago even Bertrand Russell, the British philosopher and socialist, believed that the Hellenes “were fair-haired invaders from the North, who brought the Greek language with them”Retard. All proto greeks mixed with natives>Even those who came from the Prytaneum of Athens, and reckon themselves the purest Ionians of all, brought no wives with them to the new country, but married Carian girls, whose fathers they had slain.>Herodotus
>>16536023They painted them dipshit
>>16533355They were Arab
