Using a combination of culture, genetics and appearance, what group is the swarthiest in all of Europe! Excluding Cyprus, Malta and any micro states like Andorra. Also excluding Finland because they’re a weird anomaly
>>16533824>cultureAlbanian and Bosnian>geneticsItalians (northern ones included even if to a lesser extent) and Greeks. >appearanceIberians
>>16533845Wow yeah I agree. Never expected to agree with the first response
>>16533824Greece
>>16533863This guy is Greek and while it is true he has black hair, he has green eyes and pale skin. Greeks are among the swarthiest of Europe but I don’t think they’re the swarthiest group. I think there’s a few that are swarthier than them
>>16533845Sicilians might be the swarthiest appearance wise, way more than iberians
>>16533881Greeks are the most south-shifted ethnic group in Europe discounting actual Africans and Asiatics geneticallyalso they derive a lot of their culture from the oriental Byzantine empire and the ottoman period
>>16533945you're crazy, modern Greeks are very strongly mutted with the Slavic invaders, if I'm not mistaken, they even have 20% of the Slavic Ydna.The most genetically “southern” (basal) Europeans are the Sardinians and Sicilians.
>>16533978>modern Greeks are very strongly mutted with the Slavic invaders,not really, it's like 10%>Sardinianssuper small group
>>16533978At the same time, I note that the Sardinians do not have any noticeable admixture of MENA and SSA dna, they are simply a genetic relic of the European Neolithic.
>>16533824What does swarthiest mean?
>>1653398621% of Slavic Ydna(I2 din + R1a).
>>16533845Culture:Southern French > North/Central Italians > Iberians > South Italians > Greeks > Bosnians > Albanians/KosovarsGenetics:South French > Iberians > North Italians > Albanians/Central Italians > South Italians > GreeksAppearance:North Italians > South French > Central Italians > Romanians/Bulgarians/Serbians > Albanians > South Italians/Greeks > Iberians > Sicilians(?)
>>16534005ydna isn't everything, south slavs are half wop themselves
>>16534015The South Slavs are pretty based, I agree.nevertheless, modern Greeks seem to drift "further north" than the average Iberian, with the possible exception of the Greek islanders.
>>16534012>IberiansI'll add that if Catalans do have the swarthy Iberians type. You don't see people like Fabregas, Silvia Orriols or Guardiola (all 100% Catalonians) in southern France. This swarthiness is uniquely Iberian.
>>16534036how do you know they're not charnegos?
>>16534039Both their names (Spaniards use both parents name) are Catalan. Jordi Wild is a charnego. His real name is Jorge Carrillo de Albornoz Torres which sound castillan af
>>16534041wtf jordi isn't his real name?
>>16534046Jordi = Jorge in Catalàn.BTW the real name of the other famous Jordi (you know which one) is Ángel
>>16534047disappointing
sicilians and greeksportuese aren't white at all
>>16534115they're whiter than both
>>16534036She's whiteWhat is your point?
>>16534165She looks exotic. Wouldn't pass outside the iberian peninsula.
>>16534115Geneticaly they're almost 2 times whiter than greeks and sicilians. Even if you mean phenotypicaly wise, sicilians are still the darkest.
>>16534177What is your definition of exotic?Even by European standards, she would not be a stranger outside the Iberian peninsula.its phenotype is clearly European and its eyes are not black.I don't know if this is your point of view, but I think you know that Europe has always had more hair and brown eyes have always been represented throughout Europe, right?most of the "blonde" women you see on the streets of northern Europe have dyed hair.
>>16534201Its the aeromachi calabrian poster trying to pretend iberians are the ones who stand out as non european looking to save face, ignore him
>>16534036Do you reckon that swarthy Iberian phenotype is native or a result of foreigners coming into the peninsula?
>>16534187The Greeks have no admixture of arab and nafri at all, and in no case are the Iberians whiter than the Greeks.
>>16534213How do you explain iberians being closer to germans than greeks are even though they were mutted with nafri genes? Embarassing for the greeks honestly.
>>16534213greeks are darker than iberians even with no mutting because they have more EEF and less WHG and steppe than iberiansadd to that that greeks have a lot of anatolian (CHG) blood
>>16534208who? HahahaAnyway, no one denies that there are some Iberians or Southern Europeans with "dubious" appearance, but using them as a population metric is retarded.the woman in the photo is nothing like the average North African or stereotypical Middle Eastern woman.even considering his brown eyes and hair (which is not even black).It's probably the same person who shits on the Nordics and then the Southern Europeans.Troll
>>16534222CHG is not the same as ANFand the ANF weren't that dark, they may not have been Finnish, but "dark" is an exaggeration
>>16534217What?the northern component of modern Greeks is of Slavic origin.>>16534222Continental Greeks have more WSH and WHG than Iberians, this is the first.secondly, the Anatolian admixture is still not literally a mixture of niggers and Arabs.
>>16533845FPBP
>>16534228Some south italian guy from italicroots that insists southern italy, sardinia and sicily are whiter than iberia. Hes obsessed to the point he averages on 6 anti iberian posts/day on the italic roots forum. https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/italicroots/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=10495311&sid=b491f7aa315f21b052605e312cd19c63
>>16534248Again, how do they still cluster closer to NW europeans relative to greeks? On every single model mind you.
>>16534256didn't mean anf but anatolians (hittites etc) after mixing with CHG
>>16534256>>16534256From the photos he posted, he's no different from some people in my family.I don't know what the point of this dumbT: Spanish guy with Italian father.although some in the photos are ugly and a little strange.
>>16534273>>16534240whoops>>16534271>terroni further south than greeksgrim
>>16534277Sicilans lost both geneticaly and phenotypicaly wise
>>16534275Hes projecting his insecurities as a terrone towards iberians.
>>16534283how can they be further south than greeks tho? who did they mix with? lebos?
>>16534271YesGreeks are Europeans
>>16534208>>16534256That guy is not me retard stop seething iberberian. If anything you proved him right, those photos just prove how even calabrians are whiter than (you). And its aermacchi, learn how to spell.
>>16534256jesus wops are UGLY
>>16534271I don't care about NW Europeans.>Rusgol
Why are iberians and greeks fighting here when its obvious from both genetic mappings and phenotype that southern italians and sicilians are the swarthiest amd least european?
>>16534299Hello terrone
>>16534315Among the southern Euros, the most “southern” (Semitic basaloid gibbon) are: 1) Sicilians, 2) Sardinians, 2) southern Iberians in general, Greeks and Italians share the last places.
>>16534332The most "southern" will always be Iberians because of their sub-Saharan African ancestry.
>>16534315I m Sicilian and i m not "less european"
>>16534332ive never seen anything that shows andalusians as significantly darker than catalonians
>>16534338Terronemacchi, sicilains also have sub saharan admixture, accept defeat.
>>16534348Calabrians too btw :)
>>16534338ok you're right.>>16534347In addition, due to the increased CHG, the Greeks have more ANE admixture.
>>16534340Sources? Haha
>>16534348>>16534350They don't quit lying iberberian pig.
>>16534348No Sicilians have Levantine admixture, but actual sub-Saharan African ancestry is only found in the Spanish and Portuguese.
>>16534353papadopolos no arguing will change that you're the darkest europeans after terroni (discounting your asiatic cousins from cyprus and jews)
>>16534363
>>16534366I'm not Greek, also.
>>16534366I don't have a dog in this fight, but I would say they are equivalent "Europeanness". Greeks have lighter features but Iberians have genes closer to the French.
>>16534371must be the black genes lebos got>>16534377i honestly believe phenotypes are irrelevant and only genotype matters, but also i don't see how greeks have "whiter" features. they're both wops but greeks are shorter, darker, kinkier hair etc
>>16534340you are
>>16534371The greek and italian values are bullshit, no way thats true. It should be 0.
I m Sicilian :)very close to the ancient Mycenaeansyou can cry if you want
>>16534388Thats not the flex you think it is.
>>16534394Cope
>>16534381Greeks have higher frequency of certain light features. Greeks are taller than Iberians in every source you can find. Greeks 177-180 while Iberians are 172-176.worlddata.info/average-bodyheight.php
Can any of the basaloids(southern euros) show their puntdnal k10 ancient?
>>16534394My ancestor:)
>>16534476This guy thinks hes whiter than iberians
>>16534476nigger
>>16533824Is that patch of red hair in eastern Russia from vikings?
>>16533824>cultureHow does one have a swarthy culture?They like going to the beach?
>>16534177>Wouldn't pass outside the iberian peninsula.>t. You have to go back
>>16534315Southern Italians ARE Greek
>>16534212The bottom guys only look darker because of lighting. Two even have blue eyes. They're the same.
>>16534371Literal Black Legend moment
>>16533824>cultureAlbanians>geneticsSicilians>appearanceIberians
>>16534213Lol.
>>16534306With the exceptions of Macedonians who are turbo slavic mutts Spaniards are closer to Russians than Greeks are.
>>16533824I live in Hungary and we have a lot of redheads with dark brown eyes, what the fuck is up with that?
>>16535476Uralchink moment
>>16535486We don't really have any Uralic genes left.
Even if the "Spaniards have nigger blood' thing was true, which isn't it would still mean nothing. Afrikaners have significantly more nigger blood than any meds yet they're whiter than even the French on average.
>>16535494>French>WhiteNoThey celebrated octoroons like Dumas. Their greatest historical figure was an Italian. The French have just been very successful at larping as better people than them. Look at Haiti.There's your "French" legacy
>>16533845Northern Italians look like the average Iberian
>>16535682They have a significantly higher incidence of blond hair and blue eyes
>>16533881Having green eyes doesn’t mean anything. That guy looks like he has significant non euro admixture
>>16535682Northern Italian + some Somali = average Iberian
>>16535684Is it the nose?
>>16535687Genetically speaking it's the other way around. Some Romans samples with extra african admixture cluster with north Italians.
>>16535682Iberians look like themselves. Why do you have to compare them to some mutts that larp as Germanics larping as Romans? They don't even have an identity anymore.
>>16535683According to that map they have generally the same amount of blond hair as Iberians, and around 10% more blue eyes. I wouldn’t call that significant.
>>16535692Genetically speaking Iberians are Northern Italians + Somali no coping will change that
>>16535433Italians and Greeks are Phoenician.
>>16535698If you add Somali admixture to Iberians you get another Iberian.Distance to: Spanish+1/4Somali0.02502755 Spanish_Canarias0.04242644 Portuguese0.04451559 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon0.04490707 Spanish_Extremadura0.04525286 Spanish_Andalucia0.04679034 Spanish_Galicia0.04747242 Spanish_Murcia0.05166841 Spanish_Alacant0.05290675 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha0.05367138 Spanish_Asturias0.05373590 Spanish_Eivissa0.05414670 Spanish_Menorca0.05482359 Spanish_Cantabria0.05487620 Spanish_Cataluna0.05563266 Spanish_Baleares0.05583492 Spanish_Valencia0.05727738 Spanish_Mallorca0.05767375 Spanish_Aragon0.05796154 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona0.05999841 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona0.06005184 Spanish_Castello0.06006713 Belmonte_Jew
>>16535710>Belmonte_JewJej
>>16535717African Jews have less sub-Saharan ancestry than Iberians.
>>16535710If you add Somali admixture to Northern Italians you get Iberians.Distance to: Italian+1/4Somali0.03491118 Spanish_Canarias0.04907154 Portuguese0.04959361 Spanish_Extremadura0.05081226 Italian_Liguria0.05145805 Spanish_Murcia0.05150841 Spanish_Andalucia0.05321555 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon0.05365386 Spanish_Galicia0.05369968 Italian_Emilia0.05397786 Italian_Tuscany0.05473575 Italian_Marche0.05513350 Spanish_Menorca0.05540588 Spanish_Eivissa
>>16535684That guy looks Irish/Slav
>>16533845Depends. There are more North Italians with light pigmentation but a light Iberian looks more NW European. Light Italians usually look unmistakably Italian.
>>16535694>some mutts that larp as Germanics larping as RomansLiteral Spanish
>>16535735He doesn’t look Irish at all, but he does look Slav. He could probably pass in Eastern Europe.
>>16535739They are allowed to larp as Romans, since they are the genetically closest to them
>>16535750They are not genetically closest to them you retard. PCA's like putting them together because modern Italians have much more steppe than ancient Romans did. The actual ancestry is a different matter.
>>16535750North Italians are R1b-U152 actual descendants of Italics, yes due to mixing with people whose culture Romans worshipped, they became a bit less related to Romans than Spanish, but it's irrelevant. Meanwhile Iberians are entirely R1b-Df27 descendants of celtiberians, who were subhuman barbarians for RomansSo Spanish are bigger larpers imo, I'm neither Italian nor Iberian
>>16535771Not my problem
>>16535771Im an R1b-U152-L2 iberian, am I roman?
>>16535778Yes, you can larp as roman
>>16535771You are a dumb fucking wog if you think Y Haplogroups make you any whiter than moorberians. You dumb fucking greasy mutt.
>>16535771>who were subhuman barbarians for RomansSo the Irish are not related to the English because they were treated as subhumans? And that's assuming it's true. Martial was one of Rome's greatest writer and he boasted about his Celtiberian roots. Deep down he knew that he was more Roman than all the Greeks imperial mutts
>>16535805>His name seems to imply that he was born a Roman citizen, but he speaks of himself as "sprung from the Celts and Iberians, and a countryman of the Tagus"; and, in contrasting his own masculine appearance with that of an effeminate Greek, he draws particular attention to "his stiff Hispanian hair" (x. 65, 7).Spaniards are the real romans. Italians are greekoid mutts. Someone like Martial understood this ages ago. Proper Romans like Juvenal understood it as well. Modern greekoid mutts can never be romans, it's that simple.
>>16535805Romans thought of the Greeks as great men and copied them. Romans thought of Iberians as subhumans and genocided them.
>>16535810>Romans thought of the Greeks as great men and copied themIt was evidently not an universal opinion as many writers stood against it and mixing also caused their decline military speaking. This is a fact.>Romans thought of Iberians as subhumans and genocided them.Factually wrong and those Iberians were more related to Basques anyway
>>16535816Want it or not but the domineering and conquering Rome that crushed the Punics, Gauls and Germans was genetically Spanish. The weak Rome that was crushed by Germans, Huns and other Scythians was genetically Italians. That's a hard fact
I have no horse in this race but Spanish history and character are a lot like Rome while Italian history and characters is more akin to non Macedonian Greece
>>16535820Moors ruled over Iberia for 8 centuries. Literally black skinned Africans had fun with local women.
>>16535860E1b1b is 10x more in Iberia than Italy for that reason
>>16535859Iberberian history be like>Raped by Romans and Punics>Raped by Arabs and Blacks>Mix with Africans and Amerindians to create a mutt race forever ruining America
>>16535867>Medieval Iberberians are 10% Sub saharan African congoids
>>16535859So heckin true I remember when Carthage occupied Rome for 1000 years in the First Punic War like Spain and Portugal were, wait....
>>16535870>Franco's Moroccan troops occupy Spain >Spanish women quickly have sex with them because Spanish "men" died en masse during the civil war.
>>16535794>>16535799Cope shitskin.All meds are brown>>16535799Cisalpine Gauls and Italics were almost the same predominantly U152 people, also there were a lot roman colonies in north italy>>16535805Sure, an Irish can't claim that Newton was Irish and claim achievements of the British Empire. While a half-English, half-French man can easily have such claims, his genetic distance from pure Anglos is not important>>16535809North/Central Italians have the biggest claim on roman heritage in my opinion, then Iberians and maybe south French, then others
>>16535879>Cisalpine Gauls and Italics were almost the same predominantly U152 peopleHaplomeme is irrelevant. Especially a Haplomeme as spread as U152. Northern Gauls and some Germanics who had no cultural or genetic link were U152You're just coping. At least you agree that they weren't the same people, divergent in culture and autosomal language.>While a half-English, half-French man can easily have such claimsRetarded logic. Italians are less than half romans.>Central ItaliansYou're joking right? It's like saying a half afro-americans mulatto who might even be up 70% british has more claim to the British empire than a random German do. Completely delusional. Pure folly.
>>16535938divergent in culture and autosomal dna and language*
>>16535938>>16535879You see, I honestly think a Irishman or a Frenchman, two countries toward which I have no particular sympathy are more qualified to larp as conquistadors than Castizos are.And IN FACT an Irishman or a German or whatever else who had not a single drop of spanish blood was still LEGALLY considered superior to criollos that were 1/8 amerindians. Because they were closer genetically, even if back then they couldn't prove it.Distance to: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha0.06924464 German0.07998740 Irish0.08170334 1/8InjunCriolloI won. You can't argue against this flawless demonstration. I completely assraped and demolished you.
>>16535867although you're right.Without the admixture of nafries and blacks, the Iberians would not have turned South America into such shit.
>>16535962Stop replying to yourself anon. You've been seething since dawn. Take a break, go eat something, go outside a little
>>16535964cope>>16535962this
>>16535958Criollo weren't part Amerindian you retarded American.
>>16535969I'm not Americans and they were, that's why they were legally inferior to peninsulares. Anyway that's not the point here, use another word if it bothers you
>>16535964>Stop replying to yourself anon.you missed
>>16535938>Italians are less than half romansEnglish people are less than half anglosaxon, but can claim anglos heritage>It's like saying a half afro-americans mulatto who might even be up 70% british has more claim to the British empire than a random German do. Completely delusionalCorrect, a German has almost zero claims to the British Empire, but your analogy is manipulative. East meds looked similar to romans, romans generally loved their culture and traced their origins back to them. While africans are completely alien and subhuman to europeans
>>16535973Criollos were Spaniards born in the New World that is why peninsulares was used to distinguish Spaniards born in Spain, retard.
>>16535975>English people are less than half anglosaxon, but can claim anglos heritageSpanish people are less than half Romans, but can claim Roman heritage>While africans are completely alien and subhuman to europeansIn what world are you living? African culture and music are the most popular thing ever among white people since at least the 60s. It's only a minority of chuds who genuinely hate blacks, just like greek-hating roman chuds like Juvenal were unfortunately a minority.
>>16535975>East meds looked similar to romansThey don't at all. A Roman was closer genetically to a present day german than he was to a greeks, let alone the anatolian ones who were not fewDistance to: Italy_IA_Republic.SG0.08020965 German0.08288241 Greece_BA_Mycenaean
Distance to: Italy_IA_Republic.SG0.05520649 Swiss_German0.08020965 German0.08288241 Greece_BA_Mycenaean0.11312523 Turkey_HellenisticSame people according to genius anonRomans have more in common with Germans than with Greeks, it's over.
>>16535977>Criollos were Spaniards born in the New World that is why peninsulares was used to distinguish Spaniards born in Spain, retard.Then why are all of them related to Moctezuma?
>>16535682Northern Italians look Austrian, Iberians look Tunisian
BTW I'm not a mindless Italian hater my 2nd favorite RPG planescape torment was made by an italian, sicilian evenYou on the other hand are mindless seething anti Iberians
>>16535981>Spanish people are less than half Romans, but can claim Roman heritageSpanish people are 10% Roman at best. They can claim it but to a lesser degree than non-south italians. Cental italians are majority U152, if some roman fucked some greekoid woman, his son still has more claim to roman civ than any celtiberian. e.g Cassius Dio>In what world are you living?In northeastern europe, most people here dislike blacks. No such thing as african culture btw >>16535983>>16535985Distance=/=PhenotypeIberians are closer to Anglos than to any other meds, but look more like the latter and even MENAs
>>16536013>northeastern europe, most people here dislike blacksNorthwestern europeans view you as white niggers only good to clean their toilet and used to enslave you and generally prefer koreans and japanese over you yet you are still closer to them>Iberians are closer to Anglos than to any other meds, but look more like the latter and even MENAsWrong, Spaniards look more like Anglos than south italians or greeks, let alone MENA
All of this discussion would be simpler if you retards realized genetics is meaningless and unimportant and phenotype is what trully defines race.
Iberia and Sicily are niggerhell. Only people near the Basque area are free of groid genes.
reminder that OP is an iberian larping as an italian that hates iberians, he's trying to generate this infighting since years
>>16536041Sicilians are whiter than iberians dont lump them together
>>16536022>Replace some thing that is actually quantifiable with something that is up to personal opinion That's how you end up with retarded shit like honorary Aryan.
>>16536051stop trolling OP
>>16536056Its not up to personal opinion, if you have both blue hair and eyes and a european facial features youre white, if any of these points is lacking, youre mixed with something else.It would also stop iberberians and shitalian schizos from larping as roman bc muh genetics. North italians are fine ig, clearly mutted though.
>>16536069*blond hair and blue yes, my bad i made a typo
>>16536069True, you're not Aryan unless you have blue hair
>>16536041Meme map.
>>16536069it's both and it's generally correlatedeven the dark iberians generally look less middle eastern than the italians in features, and the swarthyness of iberians is exaggerated, they're generally at least as light as central italiansand i say this as a an italian>It would also stop iberberians and shitalian schizos from larping as roman bc muh genetics. North italians are fine ig, clearly mutted though.it wouldn't because romans were swarthish and only iberians larp as romans, i've never seen a thread of italians larping as iberians(inbefore iberian OP makes 50 threads larping as italian that larps as iberian)
>>16536098True, reality is much worse
>>16536106>even the dark iberians generally look less middle eastern than the italians in featuresBut they look more nafri which is worse. Nafris are much less white than Middle Easterners.
>>16536115This combines everything and is not actual SSA. Also it's extremely outdated shit and not really backed by recent studies.
>>16536116>But they look more nafri which is worse.the mena looking ones tend to look more nafri and less middle easterner, but there are more mena looking people among italians, while most iberians look more european in features
>>16536021>Northwestern europeans view you as white niggers only good to clean their toilet and used to enslave you and generally prefer koreans and japanese over you yet you are still closer to themI'm swarthy and people say I look like a Spaniard or Italian. These are compliments here btw>Spaniards look more like Anglos than south italians or greeks, let alone MENASainz/Xavi.jpg
>>16536241Sainz is an outlier and Xavi would pass as a dark brit.
>>16536254zavi looks kinda south italian too, i can see him as a south italian easilysainz looks very weird, he honestly doesn't even look nafri, he looks like a cartoon character
>>16536069Fuck off Jew. Sean Connery will ALWAYS be more European than Ellen Degeneres.
>>16536322Jew isnt a race anon
>>16536106>>16536116>even the dark iberians generally look less middle eastern than the italians in featuresThere are many genotypes in Spain, pic related, for example, it has Visigothic genetics
who are they? Russian Scythians?
>>16536407>it has Visigothic geneticsi doubt he has more than the average iberian, isn't he basque? he probably has even less
>>16536407he doesn't. fair hair among iberians go back all the way to the neolithic. Iberians don't have goth dna.
>>16533824Southern Italy and Greece.
>>16536322>Ellen Degeneres1/4 Irish, 1/4 German
>>16536423>>16536424Alonso is a surname of Visigoth origin>male of German origin in its Castilian variant. It comes from the Germanic Adelfuns, from adel 'noble' and funs 'ready', 'prepared', so it means 'nobleman prepared' (for combat). Adelfuns gave Alonso in Spanish, Alphonse in French (and from there it was reintroduced into Spanish as Alfonso, after the enthronement of the Bourbons in Spain) and in Galician and Portuguese as Afonso. In Galicia, Alonso is very common, but most of the Afonso surnames that were documented in the Middle Ages disappeared, since they were Castilianized as Alonso between the 16th and 19th centuries.
>>16533978>mutted with the Slavic invadersSlavic admixture is a bleaching element on the genome, not a mutting one.
>>16533990They are also by far the shortest people in Italy, even shorther than the southern arab mutts.
>>16533824There's also a ss from a great study on Spain's genetic history. In short - all of them are slightly whiter than North Italians, and Southern Italians, Greeks and Sicilians are closer to the Near East than to Europe:
>>16536474So are Rodriguez, Gonzalez, Fernandez... 75% of Iberia is of Visigoth origin if we follow your logic.
>>16536438And that proves what? Fuck off retard.
>>16533824Yeah, the Spaniards are probably the swarthiest Europeans...
>>16536924Yes I’m sure your cherry picked examples are proof that the average Spaniard is Aryan ubermensch carlos
>>16536928>>16536924Not really, I sumbled upon most of them while watching Spanish tv shows. And interestingly, I HAD to cherry-pick when looking for attractive Greek women, and Katerina Papoutsaki is the best I found:
>>16536928Nah, I was recently visiting Madrid and the women look like fatter versions of the models he posted.
>>16533824The portuguese, they literally have no steppe DNA it seems >>16536947
Lebanese here, so I have no horse in this race.>>16533824>CultureAlbania and BosniaKs.>GeneticsItalians and Greeks.>AppearanceGreeks, then maybe Albanians and Portuguese.>>16533937Sicily isn't a county, North Italians are Iberian-tier in genetics, but in terms of pigmentation (eye, hair) they're lighter to a substantial degree, making the Italian average arguably lighter than the average Portuguese, for example.Italians are interesting because it's very common to find green or blue eyed individuals who look straight up non-white, especially in the southern half. Nonetheless, North Italy has a FUCKTON of people who look full-blown generic North Euro, even though their genetics are comparable to Iberians. >>16536421Udmurts.
>>16537040>North Italians are Iberian-tier in geneticsSpaniards are inbetween North Italians and the French.
>>16533824That's also an interesting one. Shows how many people carry genes for blue eyes. This makes Andalusians the swarthiest.
>>16537268And a country as a whole - Montenegro.But it might not be the best indicator.
>>16537268This is such bullshit lmao. Apparently the Lebanese are more likely to have blue eyes than Welsh? Who the hell made this
>>16535491Pigmentation is an astronomically small component of someone's gene pool so still could be the case, unless it's from Bell Beakers eastward expansion
>>16537376>This is such bullshit lmao. Apparently the Lebanese are more likely to have blue eyes than Welsh? Who the hell made thisSimilar percentage to Greeks which makes total sense
>>16537391The Spanish are more likely to have blue eyes than the Welsh? Have you ever been to wales? Have you ever seen a Welsh person before? Anybody trying to argue that would just get laughed at here and rightfully so
>>16535494Saffer here.You're full of shit dude.Most afrikaaners here have ZERO sub Saharan blood. You're thinking of our version of Brazil with the coloureds.Most afrikaans 'white' people you meet here have zero African genes. There's plenty of coloureds that claim afrikaans heritage, by are very visible regarding admixture.Euro's don't mix down here unless you're genetic trash.I'd even post a old picture of my face during my youth since my family have been here for centuries.Jy praat groot kak en jy weet jy lieg deur jou tande.Bliksom jy poes.
>>16537376>>16537408These threads are adult playgrounds for chronically online shut-ins. Half the takes itt would get you laughed out of the most racially supremacist nazi gathering in 1935
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>>16537389Actually it's Hungarian Jews
>>16537456>>16537449It's like you're intentionally devoid of reason.You really don't think there's a political reason to manipulate stats including clearly mixed afrikaaner descendants? Mutts with the surname Van Vuuren can CLAIM ancestral cultural connection (All it takes us for onebafrikaanerbtonfuck a black and still reproduce his pure line, not hard to realise) but you can always clearly tell they are mixed.Don't be disingenuous when it comes to statistical analysis of testings.Sure there are some afrikaaners with minute admixture, but above and beyond most just don't have.All you need to do is throw some coloureds of afrikaans roots (but still clearly visible mutts) and it's screws with the data set.I'm getting shill IDF vibes.
>>16533824Daily hair-eye cope threadImagine not being I1
>>16536928This is your brain on 4chan overdose. These people are just as common as the dark ones, I’d say.
>>16537565Careful now, the eye-hair clown will meltdownDon't you even dare mention how they are baltic traits
autism, the thread
>>16537573Regular Haplothreads were pure, until you got what the mods werePathetic
>>16537040And even though there are less light Iberians, the ones who ARE, look much more NW European than a light Italian. Ie: Margarida Corceiro, Clara Galle, etc.
>>16537268Apparently according to this, Italian Lombards are more blue eyed than Galicians who are more than Croatians. But the genetic closeness to Northern Europe is the exact opposite.
>>16535975What's the solution to the Finnish problem?
I think it's south spanish, some spanish people can look really dark
>>16536482No' it's not, greeks went from red haired and blonds from illiad to gypsys that they are now
>>16535860No they didn't, and no they weren'tIf by local women, you mean Visigothic nobles, sure
>>16538469So Hungarians are Slavs who speak an Asian language?
>>16536069Nice try, Simo. You're still a mongol
>>16536069virgin fingol vs THE CHAD SOUTHERN EVROPE
>>16536069Take your meds, Varg
>>16537572>Careful now, the eye-hair clown will meltdownWho?>>16538492>No' it's not, greeks went from red haired and blonds from illiad to gypsys that they are nowAnd Slavs caused that? >>16538520>So Hungarians are Slavs who speak an Asian language?Looks like it.
>>16535756>>16535750>PCA's like putting them together because modern Italians have much more steppe than ancient Romans did. The actual ancestry is a different matter.The population of Italy from the Iron Age was the most simmilar to today's northern Spaniards. Then after population migrations over the years, Romans became closer to the easteners, mostly Greeks.
>>16535771>North Italians are R1b-U152 actual descendants of ItalicsIsn't this HG a mixed Italic-Germanic group? It's prevelant in southern Germany, and it's known that Germanic tribes invaded Italy and stayed there.
>>16539577trvke>>16539591U152 was a haplogroup shared by Romans, continental Celts and some Germanics. Most of the U152 in Italy is likely Romans however this doesn't change the fact that in aDNa Spaniards are significantly closer and aDNA > YDNA
>>16535820>>16535859>Want it or not but the domineering and conquering Rome that crushed the Punics, Gauls and Germans was genetically Spanish. The weak Rome that was crushed by Germans, Huns and other Scythians was genetically Italians. That's a hard factWhat do you mean by "genetically Italians"? Have the Spaniards magically turned into Italians?Fact of the matter is that your statement is right if you exchange "Spanish" with "purely Iron Age" and "Italians" with "Iron Age mixed with Eastern genes (mostly Greek).
>>16539639>Iron Age mixed with Eastern genes (mostly Greek).So Italians?Mexicans = Spanish + NahuaItalians= Romans + Greeks
>>16535862You curbed those numbers so high that one might think that you're from a certain ethno-religious group...
>>16535867Can you upload it in higher res? It's quite good data.
>>16538469Why did you left out populations closely related to Finns, like Balts and Russians? Is this some kind Iberian cope?
>>16539662>Balts and RussiansLiteral farm equipment who never achieved anything, are you proud to be related to literal white negroes?
>>16539668>Literal farm equipment who never achieved anything, are you proud to be related to literal white negroes?Yes, they are my neighbors and belong to my genetic grouping (northern European). It's not like you guys have any stones to throw here, being mixed with niggers.
Another PCA-chart.
>>16539671>being mixed with niggersNice fiction bro.
>>16539694I don't know why have the need to deny it. We don't deny our mongoloid Siberian admixture, but you need to deny your foreign admixture. People are going to keep pressing on about this is issue until you will admit it. Not that this map doesn't even count the north African admixture, only Sub-Saharan.
>>16539699Meme map. We have some north african but no SSA.
>>16539728>We have some north african"Some"? At least as much as Finns have Siberian, and i'm quite sure i have seen figures even in 15%.
>>16535975I'm afraid this map is wrong. R1b is the most prevelant in Lombardy, at around 60%. Then it's Piedmont with 53%.
>>16539646>>Iron Age mixed with Eastern genes (mostly Greek).>So Italians?>Mexicans = Spanish + Nahua>Italians= Romans + GreeksYes. It needs to be specified when making these kind of claims, which was the point of my comment.
>>16539749Between 0% and 5% iberomarusian except for the canarias where it peak at 10%Many Iberians even among non basques like the northern aragonese or those from burgos don't show any iberomarusian while every finns have ~5% east asian. Not here to pick up a fight btw, you basically started this with this post attacking iberians out of nowhere >>16539662
>>16536970Holy shit ... how far back does her skull go? Is she an Alien hybrid?
>>16539779Cope, those studies have been pr9ven false by david reichIberians have the least steppe admixture of europe, the portuguese dont even have steppe admixureIts only a matter of time until its proven theyre not r1b either.
>>16539662Does it work in the following way?From left to right we have the middle eastern/near eastern DNA going from 0 to 100, and from top to bottom we have the mediterranean DNA going from 0 to 100. Is that how it works?
>>16539771But really I don't get the logic that north Italians could larp as Romans while Iberians couldn't.North Italians are largely descended from Gauls and Spaniards from Celtiberians. Neither are primarily descended from Romans or similar central Italics. The only difference it that north Italian share a peninsula with Rome which by itself mean nothing. If Padania was independent I don't even think anyone would make such claims.
>>16539787Go away schizo, I wasn't talking to you
>>16539779>Not here to pick up a fight btw, you basically started this with this post attacking iberians out of nowhereWhat? I respond to this post>>16538469where Finns were brought up in no reason whatsoever, while posting dubious PCA-charts.
>>16539779>>16539812>while every finns have ~5% east asian.This is also not true. Siberian ancestry has quite different levels depending on the region.
>>16539779>>16539812>>16539814Sorry, think i made mistake here. The Siberian ancestry fluctuates from around 3% to 8%, depending on the region.
>>16539799Here's the same map i think with some ancestral populations like ANE.
>>16539802>But really I don't get the logic that north Italians could larp as Romans while Iberians couldn't.I never said such thing, it could've been someone else. >Neither are primarily descended from Romans or similar central Italics.This causes too much confusion, we should simplify it:The founding backbone of the populations in Iberia and Italy was the Iron Age population. The latter created an Empire and conquered the former. Then near eastern immigration started, mostly to Italy, but also to Iberia. Then it all colapsed. Then Germanics conquered Northern Italy, but Northern Spain stayed mostly unchanged. So who has a bigger claim to the Empire - Spaniards or Italians, is your guess.
>>16539851The main difference with Spain is that the southern territory were repopulated by northerners during the reconquista, so that's why you don't get that enormous north south gap like in Italy.Distance to: Spanish_Pirineu0.01930699 Spanish_AndaluciaDistance to: Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige0.07429241 Italian_Calabria
>>16537268>>16537617>>16537391>>16537282this is notorious fake mappic rel is an actual map of the blue eye gene with sources
>>16539787this is using middle bronze age populations
>>16539851>but Northern Spain stayed mostly unchanged. it didn't, we can see ancient iberian samples from northern spain, they plot with french and austrians
>>16539952the ones from the visigothic period, that is, and from the iron age they plotted with basqueiberia changed genetically
>>16534005>>16533978depends on the greek, some greeks have 40% slavic ydnayour chart probably includes greek islanders continental greeks easily reach 30-40% r1a+I (you also have to consider the e-v13 from balkaners that also carry it)not to mention that ones that don't often have high amounts of e-v13 probably because of albaniansthe ydna of some greek region is similar to north macedonians and bulgarians
>>16539941It is interesting that Porto (N. Portugal), has a bigger frequency of the blue eye allele than anywhere else in the Iberian peninsula, including Galicia. Their A to G ratio is similar to Hungarians and Slovenes.
>>16539979all the greek thrace samples score 42% r1a+Iall the greek macedonian samples score 43-45% r1a+Iall the greek thessaly score 25-32% r1a+Ithere are some samples called "greek north", that i assume are various greeks above the peloponnese, and they score 32% r1a+Ipeloponnoese and epirus/westgreeks are a mixed bag, some have high r1a+I, like the agrinio samples (29% r1a+I), or the greek corinthia (33% r1a+I), some have high E-v13, like the petrai (44% e-v13) or the ioannina (30% e-v13)the "greek south", that i assume are mostly peloponnese in contrast to the "greek north" from the same study" are high in e-v13 (43%) but also have a decent percentage of R1a+I(26%)there are some samples called "greek continental" that i assume are a mixture of various continental greeks, that score 30% r1a+I
>>16540012it's not interesting, probably a sample issue, the average portugese is likely similar to other iberians, it can occur in real studies with large datasets
>>16540029the replacement of greece is evident even at the y chromosome levelswhen you factor, I2, R1a, and E-v13, all very race among myceneans, you can see 70%+ of the haplogroups of greece have been replaced by balk slavs and albanianseven greek islanders with J2(or most people in greece with j2 for that matter) in reality got it from having massive percentages of anatolian admixture, it's not actual greek j2
>>16540049>all very race among myceneansrare, not race
>>16540037So your image is just as useless and wrong.
>>16540029to continue, there's a study, the king et al 2008, that includes various localities in greeceNikomedeia=central macedoniaLerna/Franchthi=peloponneseSesklo/Dimini=thessalythe study is behind paywall, so i can't separate the results or see how many samples there are for each locality, overall however, the percentage of r1a+I is 26%, so still above 20%and the e-v13 is around 32% probably because of the inclusion of peloponnese samples
>>16540059no obviously, it's pretty useful, iberians overall score around 32-46% for the derived allele, the portugese are probably due to a selective bias, most portugese are likely similar to other iberiansand it's not my image, it's from a study made in 2020
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>>16540068to conclude there are other samples from other places in greece, they generally always score more than 20% r1a+Ithe euborea samples, score 21% r1a+I, the athens samples score 26% r1a+I (there's another set of samples from athens but the study is very old and doesn't distinguish between J, I and G)there are some samples from firastat2007 simply called greeks that score 35% r1a+I, i assume they're mostly continental greeksso my conclusion is that the average r1a+I in continental greece is around 30-35%
>>16539802but north italians don't larp as roman, in fact they call terroni romans and say they descend from celts, so why are you complaining about things that never happened?
>>16540097I was replying to a guy who mentioned that retard
>>16540075>iberians overall score around 32-46% for the derived alleleAnd somehow the study YOU posted is wrong because Porto scores more than that? When every other study shows that Galicia and Northern Portugal (basically the same population) have the most blue eyes in the peninsula? Same with every study about blond hair, which heavily correlates with blue eyes?
Both Iberians and Italians are partly Romans.Stop brother wars
>>16540111>And somehow the study YOU posted is wrong because Porto scores more than that? When every other study shows that Galicia and Northern Portugal (basically the same population) have the most blue eyes in the peninsula? Same with every study about blond hair, which heavily correlates with blue eyes?last time that i say this, because it's pretty simple shitthe portugese in that study probably were selectively higher carrier of that allele(that has a strong impact on blue eyes, but it's not the only snp that determines blue eyes) and the average portugese likely scores like other iberians, hence you should not shit out some esoteric meme conclusion from it like portugese always like to do, if you cannot understand this simple you have low iqlast (you)
>>16540116Id wager my right nut that all these anti-spanish/italian threads and posts are not made by any ethnic europeans. Just /int/niggers shitting up the board as always
>>16540104no one larps as roman, except iberiansno one larps as greek, except south italians(actual greeks don't do it)
>>16540128>actual greeks don't do itgreeks descend from balkan slavs >>16539979they have no connection to the greeks of old
>>16540127>Id wager my right nut that all these anti-spanish/italian threads and posts are not made by any ethnic europeans. are made by mexicans, moroccans and pajeets
>>16540132>they have no connection to the greeks of oldand that's a good thinkthe ancient greeks were short low steppe homosmodern greeks are tall heterosexuals
>>16540124>the portugese in that study probably were selectively higher carrier of that allele“Probably”? Do you have any proof or is it just what you want to believe in? Why would that be the case for that SINGLE study, but not for the rest of the other countries? YOU are the one questioning these particular samples but simultaneously calling the image useful. You are thick.>average portugese likely scores like other iberiansWe are not talking about the AVERAGE Portuguese. We’re talking about a SMALL AREA in Portugal.>like portugese always like to do, if you cannot understand this simple you have low iq>last (you)You sound like a coward and a retard.
>>16540133>>16540127they're made by spanish and portugese themselveshe spams the same things on other boardeven the "anti" iberian posts in reality are just excuses to post pro iberian stuff in the thread
>>16540135greeks have no problem admitting that they're mutts, it's mostly italians(especially south italians) that defend the purity of greeks
>>16540141>they're made by spanish and portugese themselveshe spams the same things on other boardI doubt it, the most active boards in Spanish and Portuguese have Mexican and Brazilian activity
>>16540141spanish and portugese are the worst posters in the worldthe quality of posts on 4chan would massively increase without them
>>16540132Island greeks avoided slavic rape pretty much
>>16540148it's an iberian, i recognize him>>16540149anti iberian posts are either false flags made by iberians themselves or justified reactions to iberians shitting up 4chan with their bait posts
>>16540150but they didn't avoid anatolian rape as you showednow show the distance between them and myceneans, or even more relevant for islanders, show the distance between them and minoans
>>16540156Who cares about myceneans? They didn't contribute anything to philosophy or science. That was all Anatolian Greeks.
>>16540156>anatolian rapeNever happened, it was the opposite>Even those who came from the Prytaneum of Athens, and reckon themselves the purest Ionians of all, brought no wives with them to the new country, but married Carian girls, whose fathers they had slain.>HerodotusIsland greeks have hardly changed since classical times
>>16539941But it looks the same as the other one?
>>16540180>le meme quote changes the genetic reality of the mass replacement of ancient greekslmao
If Iberberians aren't Africanized mutts why do Basques look so much whiter than them?
>>16540191basque look exactly like any other iberians
>>16540187We have too few samples from ancient greece. So far we can only say that mudhut mycenaeans from mainland have been replaced pretty much
>>16540180greece was completely replaced on a genetic level multiple timesthe modern greek is a balkan slav/albanian
>>16540197Iberberian delusions. They have veriably higher rates of light eyes and light skin.
>>16540202they have about the same, basque are regarded as southern europeans appearance wise
>>16540201Modern mainland greeks are half slavo-thracians, true
>>16540212half slav and 1/4 thracian, the rest being anatolianthe ancient greek admixture is around 0%the island are 1/4 slav/thracian and 3/4 anatolian, with around 0% of their ancestry being ancient greek
>>16540150>turkey hellenisticnot greekan anatolian mutt
>>16540217Most ancient greeks were hellenized anatoians with a bit mycenaean blood.So, mainland greeks are 1/2 slavo-thracian and 1/2 ancient greek.Island greeks are probably 70-80% ancient greek, I have not found a single ancient sample from islands of relevant era
>>16540225Not mycenaean a greek
>>16540226>Most ancient greeks were hellenized anatoians with a bit mycenaean blood.no, you're confusing imperial era mutts with ancient greeks>Island greeks are probably 70-80% ancient greekno, they are 70-80% anatolian muttyou're simply conveniently renaming anatolian mutts as ancient greeks
>>16540230not greek, an 60% bronze age anatolian(MENA)
>>16540226>>16540212greeks are at least 1/3 slav >>16539979you have to accept this
>>16539787This kills the iberberian schizo kek, even sardinians have 5% steppe, moortuguese have 0, pathetic, how do we cleanse europe of them?
>>16540212Basedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Philipp_Fallmerayer#The_Greek_theory
>>16540239true, just look at the himeria greeks or the iberian greeks, greeks were mycenean-like and were barely related to hellenistic era anatolian muttsDistance to: Spain_Greek_oAegean0.02681763 Greece_BA_Mycenaean
>>16540239>>16540240>>16540245>>16540253Most greeks were mostly hellenized anatolians long before roman empire, that quote from herodotus dates back to 5th century bc. Mainland greece outside of attica was mudhut and irrelevant.Stop samefagging lol
>>16540226>>16540239>I'm an uninformed retardAnatolian Greeks were responsible for pretty much all ancient Greek achievement. Read more books.
>>16540253the pristine greek profile resembled myceneans, not the creaturas from anatoliaDistance to: Italy_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_1:I72210.02254589 Greece_BA_Mycenaean0.04202135 Turkey_Hellenistic0.08486493 Turkey_MBADistance to: Italy_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_1:I72190.02661330 Greece_BA_Mycenaean0.06535026 Turkey_Hellenistic0.10768330 Turkey_MBADistance to: Italy_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_1:I72180.03446291 Greece_BA_Mycenaean0.06994852 Turkey_Hellenistic0.11004162 Turkey_MBADistance to: Italy_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_1:I72170.03263722 Greece_BA_Mycenaean0.06132459 Turkey_Hellenistic0.10132319 Turkey_MBADistance to: Italy_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_1:I109520.03295261 Greece_BA_Mycenaean0.06062942 Turkey_Hellenistic0.10019084 Turkey_MBADistance to: Italy_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_1:I109480.02539338 Greece_BA_Mycenaean0.06549148 Turkey_Hellenistic0.10718656 Turkey_MBADistance to: Italy_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_1:I109450.03342183 Greece_BA_Mycenaean0.05534053 Turkey_Hellenistic0.09945353 Turkey_MBADistance to: Spain_Hellenistic_oAegean:I82080.04048848 Greece_BA_Mycenaean0.05682911 Turkey_Hellenistic0.09245272 Turkey_MBADistance to: Spain_Greek_oAegean:I82150.02681763 Greece_BA_Mycenaean0.05715872 Turkey_Hellenistic0.10105788 Turkey_MBA
>>16540262i'm not samefagging, you need to stop copinganatolians were migrant mutt troons, barely related to the greeks of old
>>16540278we wuz greekz larpers destroyed completely
greeks are 35% r1a and I2greeks are the sons of slavic men
>>16540278>>16540283You are coping. Anatolians created Greek/Western civilization, not irrelevant Mycenaeans.
>>16540302"myceneans" were just an offshoot of ancient greeks, ancient greeks were mycenean-like >>16540278no one cares about some gaypedo mutt from anatolia, when people think about the glory of greece they think about the greek colonies and the macedonian empire
>>16540278>HimeraCompletely irrelevant city, no one cares about them, meanwhile hellenistic anatolia was birthplace of many ancient greek philosophers, scientists, historians, geographers>>16540283You are. Basically no one has ever even used the term anatolian greek in relation to ancient greece, all people from there are usually simply called greeks in literature>>16540302True
>>16540314Coping nordshit coping over a people he's still completely far removed from. Sad to see. Islander Greeks are the purest Greeks and they're mostly related to the ancients. You will always be a snownigger barbarian with no ancient heritage.
>>16540318>Completely irrelevant city, no one cares about themit shows that the middle iron age greek profile was mycenean like> meanwhile hellenistic anatolia was birthplace of many ancient greek philosophers, scientists, historians, geographersgay stuff no one cares about>Truesamefag
>>16540314when people think about the glory of greece they think about philosophy (anatolia and athens), scientific achievments (anatolia and alexandria) and the macedonian empire
>>16540323>Islander Greeks are the purest Greeks they have the least amount of greek ancestry according to actual studies, even less than the mainland, literally 0%you're the one that's coping real hardmigrants from anatolia aren't greeks
>>16540331>Thales wasn't Greek, he was an Anatolian muttImagine seriously implying this. You have brain damage.
>>16540330>when people think about the glory of greece they think about philosophy (anatolia and athens), scientific achievments (anatolia and alexandria)no one cares about any of that gay homo shit>and the macedonian empirethis was done by actual greeks that looked like this >>16540278and like this:Distance to: Greece_Delphi_IA0.03338102 Greece_BA_Mycenaean0.06399631 Turkey_Hellenistic0.10256159 Turkey_MBAnot by anatolian troons
>>16540327>it shows that the middle iron age greek profile was mycenean like>mainland greek colony was mainland greek likeWow>gay stuff no one cares aboutFrisian would disagee, he praised intellectual achievement above others>samefagThats another anon
>lemme just slap a greek label on these migrants and half migrants. see? they're pure greeks now
>>16540346>mainland greek colony was mainland greek likethe only greeks are mainland greeks, the mutt half+ mena hellenistic anatolians aren't greeks, they're anatolains>Frisian would disageei'm not frisian
>>16540341>>16540348>>16540355Frisian bro, you are obsessed with the idea of separating modern southern Europeans from the ancients in every possible way, so you can ignore your intellectual dishonesty. I'm more objective
>>16540361i'm not frisian, you are not objective, i bet you're not even greek, you are butthurt italian
>>16540369We are both northern europeans, but you are extremely biased
>>16540380you are not northern european
iberians lost, italians lost, greeks lost
>>16540382I'm and you are frisian
>>16540401wrong and wrong
>>16540413Post geolocation or dna test
>If I don't have ancient heritage then nobody else does!
>>16540153>>16540141So iberberians are behind this not italians? Should have expected it.Iberians are so obsessed with italians while most italians dont even care about iberians, its clear these obsessed threads are a product of some butthurt moortuguese ape
>>16539941Basques - 0,366This pretty much debunks the theory that light eyes indicate your "whiteness", since these guys are the whitest and purest Iberians.
>>16540473Best pic about light eyes imo. As you can see, only the Basque area has a decent percentage.
>>16540485You are on your 3rd light eyes map and STILL it shows that they have a majority of BROWN eyes. What a fucking RETARD you are. A gorilla baboon retard.
>>16540485France is browner than what I expected
>>16540068>the study is behind paywallHave you trieb this beautiful tool?https://sci-hub.se/
>>16540132>they have no connection to the greeks of oldDo you think the "Greeks of old" were white Europeans?
>>16540198>>16540187>>16540180>>16540175>>16540156>>16540150Here's the admixture of Mycenaean Greeks according to Eupedia. Caucasus means caucasus+Anatolia. Makes sense to me.
>>16540498what did you expect
>>16540267>Anatolian Greeks were responsible for pretty much all ancient Greek achievement.Can you give some sources on that?
>>16540565He is mostly correct
>>16533824Have you guys seen those reconstructions/visualizations of how the Ancient Greeks might've looked like, based on their sculptures?Part1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoHXmz2Gco4Part2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq5JvWUMJE4Super interesting, flies in the face of those who claim that the people who created the backbone of our civilization were a bunch of swarthy caucasians and middle easteners.
>>16540609>the people who created the backbone of our civilization were a bunch of swarthy caucasians and middle easteners.true, meme reconstructions won't change that
>>16540609for some reason light hair and eyes fit the statues features better than dark hair and eyes, its clear the statues intended to depict nordic like individuals
>>16540623almost all statues that retained color pigments are dark
>>16535433Southern Italians are confirmed to actually be closest to Homeric bronze age Greeks genetically (the people BAPcels and nordicists like to we wuz as)
>>16535867America belonged to the native indigenous populations. South Americans have a homeland, which is where they live, unlike Amerisharts whose ancestors were retarded pilgrims and always try to LARP as Europeans because they have an identity crisis.
>>16539450Told you
