>30 percent of women historically died during childbirth >generation after generation, despite such a huge population filtering event, women still kept dying until a century ago to this common occurrence Can anyone explain this phenomenon? You would think it would take natural selection a generation or two to sort out the women with well developed hips for childbirth, especially with such a massive bottleneck, but apparently it still kept happening for thousands of years
>>16535064it makes sensethe human population has always been ridiculously low.The IE took centuries to "conquer" Eurasia because of this;baby makers died (or "women", how they call)
>>16535064That's 30% of women dying in childbirth at some point in their childbearing years, not a 30% risk per birth.What usually happened was that a woman would push out a couple kids just fine when she was young, then die in childbirth later on as age and cumulative injury took their toll on her body and made her less able to bear the strain of it. But this isn't a selective pressure at all, because her genes had already been passed on in the kids she'd successfully birthed earlier on.
>>16535064Delivering the child is the goal of natural selection, not surviving the delivery.
>>16535094The most difficult delivery is always the first one, highest chances for the baby to get stuck and die inside the woman, for the womb to get ruptured from intense contractions and bleed to death. After the first one the rest of births are piss easy, until they shit out the 5th kid, then there is risk of rupture over scarring.Most women would die at the first birth overall.
>>16535064Because the average age when giving birth was like 13.
1. Humans had no idea how infectious diseases or infections worked before 1750. Pre-modern physicians knew about sterilization, but not to the extent we know today. The entire idea of being able to define a disease as a material object that can be controlled, even engineered, didn't exist to them. For them it was the will of god and not something that they could influence. Many of the deaths were preventable by modern standards.2. C-sections, modern surgical instruments, and professionally trained surgeons capable of doing it did not exist before 1800 and did not exist before 1900 in most of the world. If complications occurred, the woman was fucked as there was no way to get the baby out as most men won't stab their own wife and child to kill the latter to save the former. 3. Important life-saving equipment such as oxygen machines didn't exist because people didn't realize air was an object that can be manipulated, purified and used. Many deaths probably could have been preventable if the woman could get more air to sustain life functions longer.By the way, fetal deaths were still very commonplace until the 1980s for the same reasons. Even if the mother's life could be saved, often the baby's couldn't. So ask yourself how humans survived in the 1940s, 50s, 60s and 70s before professional medicine came down in price where midwives were eliminated for OBGYNs.
also this >>16535167 and the fact that girls didn't go through puberty as early as they do now, which means multiple men are trying to stop a teenager from panicking as the thing growing inside her tries to get out
>>16535181Much text
>>16535181But why havent women evolved wider hips and vaginal canals to make childbirhth easier throughout the years?>>16535122In most cases the child will die as well
>>16535246>But why havent women evolved wider hips and vaginal canals to make childbirhth easier throughout the years?They did and women with wide hips, fat asses and a verified history of successful childbirth were worth more money than prettier women. For most of human history, most humans were property as slaves, and slaves' value were based on their overall health and ability to make new slaves. However, because there was never a consistent standard for health until 1850, there was no consistent definition of what a "healthy" childbearing woman was. This often differed greatly based on culture, preventing natural selection from working properly. The rise of the printing press and mass media assisted this as verifiable, scientifically provable medical information could suddenly be dispersed cheaply.When humans did realize this, the Eugenics movement began and would remain legal until the 1970s.
>>16535064big noggins help outperform knuckedragging niggons.max your headroom, or die.females used to be metal.
>>16535064Childbirth is a messy business.Pushing out a baby can involve shitting yourself and tearing the vagina. You get shit in open wounds, in hard to reach places and there you go.
>>16535181>most men won't stab their own wife and child to kill the latter to save the former.10 examples?
Women are supposed to give birth squatting. Laying down on their back induces potential complications and is done mostly for the convenience of the doctor/midwife delivering the baby.
>>16536420I wonder how they do it in uncontacted tribes like those in andaman
>>16536609here's your uncontacted tribe bro https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-unexpectedly-gives-birth-standing-11230734
>>16535064>>30 percent of women historically died during childbirth >>16535135>Most women would die at the first birth overall.>>16535181>fetal deaths were still very commonplace>>16535190>girls didn't go through puberty as early as they do now>>16535257>For most of human history, most humans were property as slaveswhere are the peer reviewed sources for any of these claims?
>>16536806Why do you want the opinion of "peers"? Do you know who the peers are in the first place?
>>16536829where did you come from?
If you dilate harder trannies and receive a full biological womb transplant you can now shit out half nigger children out of your wound once you can fully take BBCs
>>16535167Sauce? I was told that the average of giving birth was always in the 20s and having sex with teens was always a historical abnormality.
>>16536900>30+ was the average before the 1900shuh, really? Then why is it considered a problem now?
>>16536900bullshit, they consumated marriages at 14 all the time
>>16537443I’d imagine it was that high because the average woman was having 4 children
>>16535064foids are hiplets literal garbage gender
>>16535167That would only make it more likely for the girl to die
Failures need to fail for successes to succeedLosers and winnersMiscarriages and babiesHomeless and richIncel and breederYoung death and century oldOur mistake is being fooled by so-called "Justice" disrupting the natural filtering process and breeding mediocrity.Let it die, make it die
>>16535094>>16535064the cause of childbirth death is not anatomical but due to poor nutrition, each child depletes her nutrients, why first child was usually the healthiest.
>>16535246>But why havent women evolved wider hips and vaginal canals to make childbirhth easier throughout the years?They (well we as men carry these genes too) are, it's why White women have the widest hips: their kids have the biggest skulls. The problem is that there's a competition between wider hips for childbirth and thinner hips for bipedalism. Women with wider hips often suffer from hip problems due to how the weight (which is increasingly on the angled socket of the femur) sits.
>>16535064it helped to keep the population downtherefore it was usefultherefore males kept selecting for females like that on some level
>>16535064>>30 percent of women historically died during childbirthWrong...>>16535064>Can anyone explain this phenomenon? You would think it would take natural selection a generation or two to sort out the women with well developed hips for childbirthThat's exactlly what happened though.Women also had far more children each.like more than ten. Basically continuously pregnant.So it isn't surprising that they would die in childbirth.>>16535167>Because the average age when giving birth was like 13.Also wrong. Holy shit you idiots think that women can magically get pregnant without a period.So many extremely stupid and uneducated pedophiles on 4chan that don't understand basic human reproduction.>>16538270>it helped to keep the population down>therefore it was useful>therefore males kept selecting for females like that on some levelAnother stupid answer that doesn't make any logical sense.>>16537835>foids are hiplets literal garbage genderFound the homosexual autistic tranny.
