why do people say that chinese history is convoluted and difficult to understand? it's pretty straightforward and always follows the same pattern of rise, expansion, stagnation and fall. european history is much, MUCH more complex. i'm studying the 30 years was and the amount of intercrossed alliances and factions are making me dizzy. ffs
>>16537056because the names are difficult to remember
>>16537078Nobody likes to say this but it's true. Sounds racist (and it sort of is) but someone has to say it.
>>16537056It's not complicated it's just incredibly boring and stagnant for precisely the reasons you've outlined. Additionally not much was actually written down outside of court affairs (which was written in tedious, almost extreme detail).Even the "romance of the Three Kingdoms" which is supposed to the more interesting period was incredibly boring because in reality it was just a bunch of spear levies and bow troops led by "eccentric" warlords each more replaceable than the next.
In Europe you have different languages, clothing, architecture, gographical shape, royal symbols, heraldry, numbered names of kings... in China you have a huge plain landmass where everyone looks and acts the same, have the same name, the buildings, the armies, the names of battles... I mean the imperial dynasties even have monosillab names!So it's hard to remember, it's not china's fault that they got unified so early and but it makes the story less interesting and weird to follow.The example of the same thing happening in the west would be the crisis of the third century, with many similar people fighting each other for no particular reason. It's just not as engaging.
>>16537130that wouldn't explain the weeb's obsession over japanese history, since it's basically chinese history but even more boring and on a smaller scale. at least chinese history is more engaging just because it's amusing to see the sheer number of deaths, and every chinese war basically would depopulate the entire european continent over and over.
>>16537166You cannot possibly expect us to attempt to dissect the mind of a weeab.
>>16537056>Ching Chong Ho of the Dow Fo Din believed he held the Fus Ro Dah so called upon the Chang Ho Meng to rebel against the Chen Cheng Chen>48 million people died>2 million civilians eaten
>>16537130>In Europe you have different languages, clothing, architecture, gographical shape (sic), royal symbols, heraldry, numbered names of kingsYou have the same shit in China>different languagesThe chinese had to coexist with the khitan, mongols, jurchens, yue ppl, koreans>clothing Different clothing for different tribes and time periods. They didnt wear the same thing in the han, tang, song, yuan, ming, qing>architecture Ontop of traditional chinese architecture therr are also lots of Tibetan, mongolic, and even some recent japanese buildings. Not to mention different religious buildings >gographical (sic) shapeSeriously dude? The gobi, north vs south, China is huge and hast vastly different terrains>royal symbols The dragon? Yellow being the imperial color>heraldyTrue but there are the mandarin sqaures which indicate rank of scholars and military officers>numbered name of kingsThey dont have this but thats because chinese people dont like reusing ancestral names, instead they have era names (kangxi) , temple names (gaozu han)You don't have to be interested in chinese history but to act like chinese history doesnt possess any of these is incredibly retarded and simply not true. You sound ignorant and you clearly need to lurk more and do more research before speaking on topics you dont know
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>>16537056People find it hard to engage with Chinese history because it's mostly about internal conflict. The biggest wars were all civil wars, the biggest political controversies took places inside one imperial court etc. Europe didn't have one dominant state since the fall of Rome, so European history have mostly been about various very different cultures clashing, which people find more easy to follow than various aristocratic factions inside one country.
>>16537056One historian I read described the difficulty of teaching westerners chinese history is because when it comes to the names of people and places in china its like having dyslexia, you cannot remember anything without much more difficulty.
>>16537721People in the West are still interested in the heavy intrigue and civil war style stuff, though; the popularity of Byzantium and the 30 years' war speak to it. They are fairly niche, though, so maybe it's more that there are very few on-ramps into Chinese history for your average pop history consumer.
>>16537721>>16537729At least for me, it’s these two combined. Chinese names are hard to remember, sure, but the real problem is that I’m mostly interested in history as kind of a chain reaction, and while Europe constantly had cultures and nations colliding, China’s history is mostly just one big internal blood bowl before it collided with Europeans and the old imperial system started choking up.Now you could ask that does it matter if we have an area with X million people and 50 nations vs. an area with the same X million people and one nation. Isn’t it the same but with just different labels? Well, not to me, even if Chinese had huge civil wars.
>>16537056Decided to take multiple summer history courses for the summer>Intro to East Asia>Intro to South Asia>Intro Chinese HistoryUnironically exited
