Let's post Celtic things; culture, language, archaeology, genetics.La Tene culture, Hallstatt culture etc. it doesn't matter.
>>16580650Why would you care about pagans that have been burning in hell for the last 2000 years? Follow Jesus
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/H_1986-0901-1>Oval shield, made entirely of copper alloy sheet 1-1.25mm thick. Made from nine sections. Broad copper alloy binding around edge. Simple decoration on front, a long spine with ridge rising over the spindle boss, diminiutive terminal finial roundels. On the reverse, a hand-hold of solid ash wood covered with copper alloy sheet is fixed across the hollow behind the boss. The handle has omega-shaped terminals, with the returns resembling stylised birds' heads. The length of the spine is covered with thin strips of copper-alloy sheet on either side of the opening on the reverse for the boss.>This is the only Iron Age shield made completely from bronze ever to have been found in Britain or Europe. Bronze shields found at Battersea (1857,0715.1-2) and in the River Witham (1872,1213.1) are each composed of a sheet-metal facing which would have been fitted onto a wooden shield. Other shields made entirely of bronze (e.g. 1873,0210.2) date to earlier centuries. This shield was found in 1985 by the driver of a mechanical digger excavating gravel from an old silted up channel of the River Thames. The shield had been bent and crumpled by the digger, but staff from the British Museum's Department of Conservation have restored it to its original appearance.
Celts influenced both Germanic and Latin cultures. But then got conquered by both. Why was this?
>geneticsMy understanding of celts was that it was an iron age culture spanning multiple civilizations from Ireland to turkey.
>>16580773>civilizationBut yes, it was a shared "package" with genetic links 2nd to culture.
>>16580781What's your evidence?
>>16580788My evidence is the fact that all celtic groups are genetically not similar at all, and seemingly resemble the locals of the pre-celts there mostly. See, Insular celts, minor celtic heritage on top of the massive Bell Beaker pre celtic heritage.
>>16580801>My evidence is the fact that all celtic groups are genetically not similar at allSo the problem is that the historical record through accounts says they were either blonde ore red haired and always blue eyed. The "distance to" posters are using sample sizes of recent migrations (so they say) of about 30 to 60 people or so. If we have to pick one or the other, we really have to go with the historical records.
>>16580809No, we do not have to go with roman hair color sources over actual genetics. Stop this.
>>16580811>actual genetics>he picked sixteen recently dead pakis to represent three thousand year old populations
Celts were Bell Beakers. Germanics were Corded Ware. Slavs were Yamnaya.
>>16580827You thus don't believe genetics can be used for determining a people's genetics because... all of them are outliers? We know what those look like. If we have 40 samples and everyone resemble each other except 3 then those are outliers. You're acting like a typical celtic nationalist in denial over the non-genetic origin of his language.
>>16580809Celtic mirrors you say?https://celticmirrors.org/
>>16580845That's pretty cool. I remember being told by a teacher in middle school that ancient mirrors didn't exist because they're so fragile and hard to make. Full of shit she was.>>16580840>all of them are outliersBecause you don't have a statistical basis, dates, high enough confidence intervals, or sample sizes large enough.>If we have 40 samples and everyone resemble each other except 3 then those are outliersThere's no basis for any of them at this point. You need at least 3000 samples with a 95% confidence level, but ten times as many with a 0% confidence. There was one guy that came on here and said all of his samples are from modern day people, gunned out a dozen or so distance-to charts, and didn't even think that mass migration would even play a role in the difference between populations. Like, how stupid do you have to be?>You're acting like a typical celtic nationalistThis is wagging the dog a bit. You implying that they were the way that the ancient peoples described is itself simply Europhobic. The fact you would identify me as the Celt is an admission that I'm correct thoughever.
>>16580891>You implying that they were the way that the ancient peoples described is itself simply Europhobic*weren'tBut to go a step further, implying that the Islamic invasions didn't have anything to do with Arabizing southern Europe is equally Europhobic. That's genocide denial and ignores centuries of harsh slavery.
>>16580665Historians have been obfuscating, lying and scheming about all sorts of things Celts related, such as Celts being in Xinjiang in the 9th century BC. I wonder why the historians care to do that. Perhaps you can provide an answer.
>>16580903Racist yts.
>>16580828Why do historians have to act like petulant children and make up neologisms like "corded ware"? Why can't they just call these people Celtic like they were?
>>16580930Germanic*Celts were BBC.
>>16580903They never were.>>16580918Most likely native R-PH155. Found in multiple Xiongnu samples. >>16580930Corded Ware wasnt Celtic. Was more likely core Indo-European.
>>16580958>Corded Ware wasnt Celtic. Was more likely core Indo-European.Germanics were Corded Ware. Slavs were Yamnaya. Celts were Bell Beakers.
>>16580984Slavs are overwhelmingly R-M417. I don't think a single Yamnaya with this haplogroup has been found. Germanics can be either Corded Ware (as Battle Axe) or also Bell Beakers (if Italo-Celto-Germanic branch is real). Of course Beakers are just descendants of some Corded Ware groups.
>>16580903Celts are the "safe edgy" identity among britishers. It's not supremacist like anglos due to their failure, but still larp is to be had due to muh ancient civilizations. This all fits together with the black irish, basque/iberian larp. Celticists are still trying to make all these work despite being genetically btfo'd. We have one here ITT >>16580891
>>165809933 Yamnaya have been found with R1a, not sure if the correct clade. L51 Yamnaya too but as said not sure if ancestral.
>>16580827It's using the British genome bank with almost half a million samples, retard.There is no Celtic genetic ancestry, retard. The "Celtic" countries today are Bell Beakers with (in Scotland and parts of Ireland) some Norse admixture. That's it.Ironically English people have more "Celt" DNA because that's where Iron Age French farmers who brought the Celtic languages largely settled.
>>16581013M417 is a founder effect, it's like I1. Early CWC had diverse Y-DNA.
>>16581023>Early CWC had diverse Y-DNA.Mostly R1b-L51
>>16580903>Cherchen Man >CeltNo.
>>16581046In the popular journo imagination, red hair = "Celt". It's retarded.
>>16581046There are samples from the same cemetery. They aren't Celts and all men are R-PH155. >His naturally-mummified remains were discovered in Tomb 2 at the Zaghunluq cemetery, near the town of Qiemo (Chärchän) in the Taklamakan Desert of north-west China.https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-PH155/treeZhagunluke is the same place. They are under R-PH200.
They were Celts. They were found with the same clothing as found in Celtic graves in Austria. Most likely the silk road didn't start in the 2nd or 1st century, BC, but way earlier and Celts obviously acted as mercenaries protecting this trade (most likely) or were the merchants themselves (unlikely).
Nobody cares about haplo-autism by the way
>>16581086You are delusional. >same clothing Similar, not same. For all we know it could go back to Beakers. Maybe Sintashta made similar clothes. Cherchen Man almost definitely wasn't Celtic. Sure, there's always possibility, but so far nothing indicates there was any presence of Celts that far East. We have plenty of samples from that region, going in hundreds. Not a single one has Celtic ancestry.
>>16581086Here's your Celts, bro.>>16581089Have some autosomal ancestry then:C837:Target: Zaghunluq_IA5:C837Distance: 2.1761% / 0.0217610343.0 TKM_Gonur1_BA_o30.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA12.8 CHN_Tarim_EMBA18.4 MNG_Ulaanzukh_LBA_25.6 CHN_Upper_Yellow_River_LNTarget: Zaghunluq_IA:C818Distance: 3.2625% / 0.0326252038.2 MNG_Ulaanzukh_LBA_226.8 TKM_Gonur1_BA_o15.6 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA14.2 CHN_Upper_Yellow_River_LN5.2 CHN_Tarim_EMBA1C3671:Target: Zaghunluq_IA:C3671Distance: 1.7213% / 0.0172132032.2 TKM_Gonur1_BA_o29.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA14.0 CHN_Upper_Yellow_River_LN12.6 MNG_Ulaanzukh_LBA_212.2 CHN_Tarim_EMBA1
>>16581099WEDistance to: China_Xinjiang_Zhagunluke_IA:C8140.08746742 Uzbek0.09287211 Bashkir0.10488069 Tatar_Siberian0.10889831 Hazara0.10946198 UygurDistance to: China_Xinjiang_Zhagunluke_IA_Zaghunluq:C830.SG0.08874318 Bashkir0.10090003 Udmurt0.10408549 Uzbek0.10561320 Besermyan0.10606618 Pamiri_SarikoliDistance to: China_Xinjiang_Zhagunluke_IA_Zaghunluq:C8370.08009725 Pamiri_Sarikoli0.08095907 Pamiri_Sarikoli_China0.08731711 Pamiri_Wakhi0.09227106 Pamiri_Badakhshan0.09389613 Tajik_Hisor
>>16581086>They were Celts. They were found with the same clothing as found in Celtic graves in Austria.You know that we have genetic samples taken from the Tarim mummies right?
This will be good. >Here, we present genomic and isotope data from 31 individuals from this context. We identify three biologically related groups spanning multiple elite burials as far as 100 km apart, supported by transregional individual mobility inferred from isotope data. These include a close biological relationship between two of the richest burial mounds of the Hallstatt culture. Bayesian modelling points to an avuncular relationship between the two individuals, which may suggest a practice of matrilineal dynastic succession in early Celtic elites. We show that their ancestry is shared on a broad geographic scale from Iberia throughout Central-Eastern Europe, undergoing decline after the late Iron Age.
>>16581121Check the image earlier in the thread. The DNA proves they were Celts.
>>16580958Bell Beakers and Corded Wares were both Celts.
I've read most of "The Celtic Heroic Age", a book about Celtic literary sources. AMA.
They were matrilineal https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/v iew/PRJEB73566>Here, we present genomic and isotopic data from 31 individuals from this context. We identify three biologically related groups that encompass several elite cemeteries within a distance of up to 100 km from each other, supported by transregional individual mobility inferred from isotopic data. These include a close biological relationship between two of the richest tombs of the Hallstatt culture. Bayesian modeling points to an avuncular relationship between the two individuals, which may suggest a practice of matrilineal dynastic succession in the early Celtic elites. We show that their ancestry is shared across a wide geographic scale, from the Iberian Peninsula to Central-Eastern Europe, declining after the end of the Iron Age
>>16581065Yes? They were Not IE
>>16581425They probably were Indo-Europeans, maybe even Tocharians. Those aren't the Xiaohe mummies. Cherchen Man is from Iron Age.
Can someone explain Bell Beakers and Celts?Some people say they were swarthy and some people say they were pale, red hair
What really intrigues me is the deal about tartan found on central, western europe, and all the way through the silk routesthere's gold to be dug there
>>16581455you wanna know the truth about red hair? The truth is we don't know yet. We know for certain that it is a deep rabbit hole. To put it into context, it was found in Scythian, Wusun, and core Egyptian dynasties.Once that said, there are old texts caliming Irish and Scotss, had a direct link to a Scythian dynasty. That's also blurry for obvious reasons.Celts were IE, they dyed their hair with limes iirc to make their hair appear more blonde.Just chill, let genetics do their thing.
>>16581464that's a Scythian
>>16581466Celts in Asia are Scythians bud.
>>16581465Were bell beakers swarthy
>>16581478you're simplifying so much that you can't even, the relationship between celts and scythians is so old and blurry you can't just make it like that, eventhough they had similarities they were also radically different, you wouldn't see a scythian without a horse or many, but you'd see a celt without a horsescythians warred mounted, with mostly bow and short sword. celts warred with spears and a shield, and so on and so on.all in all, you're in the /his/tory board, you're supposed to talk with consistence
>>16581482no idea, but hear the jews in here tell you about how swarthy and brown they were, kekmaomy money is on 1:1 genetic clones or bust
>>16581487>you're simplifying so much that you can't evenThey both speak Iranic, they both have the same metallurgical styles, they both shared warring and trading zones. They both crafted venus idols between 18-30k and they both domesticated dogs around the same time from France to the Altai between 24-28k BC. They were a clear continuum. That's the whole point behind Aryan theory.
And pre-BAC Celts are the one that spread domesticated horses throughout Europe.
>>16581497yes, but they're so distant and there's too much stuff in between them to be "linked" you need more than thatmy favorite theory is that Scythians are the seed, and celts are like the distant cousin that changed all culture and stuffI support the aryan theory but that doesn't mean you should simplify so muchtheir gods are different their culture is differentif you wanna check actual similarities you'd tell me about the Celtic mounds and stone idols presiding them same way the scythians had, but even that is fragile since it might just point to a sctythian migration rather than a connection
>>16581510>but they're so distantGeographically? Somewhat. Culturally? No. They're right on top of each other. You can see the linguistic and metallurgical stratum form a straight continuum from the Altai to Iberia. Arguing religion is low hanging fruit. There are ALWAYS oddballs. It's like saying prosperity gospel is a complete break from Christianity. Sure it's a far cry, but you can clearly see how Americanism corrupted Catholicism and Protestantism as it filtered into the 20th century across the landscape. When you say stone idols, you're talking about menhirs? They had those in the far east, we just call them steles over there. They didn't, we do that to separate them unnecessarily. There are plenty of kurgans as well. That's the point of showing you the Siberian Ice Maiden.
>>16581520>When you say stone idols, you're talking about menhirs?no specifically google yamanaya and scythian stone idols they where human shaped made of stone one block, they were placed close to mounds/kurgans iircCelts have like one or two, Scythians have a fuckton of them>were scythians and celts related?yes, definitelybut how, when and why, that's a way more touchy issue that I wouldn't dare touch eventhough I love both cultures and have read a bit about both of them
>>16581529Scythians and Celts weren't related. They had some contacts, but quite different ancestry.
>>16581449>>16581449There is no significant or even certain IE presence in China, and the Tocharians were basically conquered.the haplogroup is probably native R-PH155.
>>16581529>where human shaped made of stone one blockYou mean these?
>>16581609This is outright false. Read the thread.
>>16581619yes
>>16580773You sayin we wuz Turks n sheit?
>>16581623Why
>>16581641Because R1b/a both were recorded in the far east and the Chinese bragged about how they killed all of the yellow haired people. It's pretty clear why they're not there anymore.
>>16581640they were indeed in anatolia, after an incurssion on greek lands they settled there, like a small region
>>16581609They were pretty common in Xinjiang. >Tocharians Indo-Iranians were more successful.
I'll say it again - we don't care about haplo-autism
>>16581640>>16581653Turks don't appear until around the 2nd-3rd centuries AD. Their first script is clearly based on Norse Runic. Turkish is not adopted in Turkey (then the Ottomans) until around the 13th century AD.
>>16581662>weget a load of this multiple personality disorder retard
>>16581640You are misattributing genes to culture and civilization. It's like saying a Mexicans wuz Dutch because Dutch founded New York.No. That's not the point. Mexican Americans are part of the American civilization.We don't care about your haplogroups or who you wuz.
>>16581651R1b wasn't successful in the East. See:>>16581661R1b2 is native Tarim subclade. R1b1 was brought by Afanasievo. Dominant in the North and West in the Bronze Age, then it pretty much disappeared. In the Iron Age R1a dominates all the regions once settled by Afanasievo. Even the old Tarim R1b2 is more common in Xinjiang (it became one of Xiongnu/Hunnic lines).
>>16581685>if we cannot find the right haplogroups it didn't happenThis just invites historical revisionism and denialism
>>16581670No he's right I'm on board with him. It doesn't tell you what you really need to know even when you are accurate in those terms.>>16581685>R1b wasn't successful in the East. See:I can't tell if you're just trying to piss me off.
>>16581691>>16581692Interdasting, never seen that before.
>>16581700That was a high priority message! It said "no denialism here folks"
>>16581692It's literally true. Z2103, any M269 really is very rare there and it's been rare since at least the Iron Age. R1a carrying Indo-Iranians replaced most of it.
>>16581704And like I said, that's most like PH155 because there are Xiongnu elite samples with this haplogroup. It's native to the region. M343 is just generic R1b. Back then they didn't know that R1b originated in Central or East Asia. Bro, I know far more about this than you. I read the study you just posted. It was published before there were any autosomal studies on Tarim mummies.
>>16581710Sorry but haploists have outed themselves with their lack of actual evidence concerning dates and sample sizes. Literally nothing they say can be trusted. We even had one guy employ recent deaths in the modern era and try to say they were representative of populations three thousand years ago. When he showed his sources it turns out that the author of his favorite website admitted on the front page to deliberately and arbitrarily changing the names of the data sets to reflect his opinions. Imagine going to a set called "Doric Greeks" and it's a bunch of migrants who died between 2010-2020. That's the kind of stuff that was on there.
>>16581722>It's native to the regionWell no shit, that's literally where white people come from. >I know far more about this than youI really don't think you do. Did you know that PH155 registered across the middle east and central Asia too?
>>16581732PH155 expanded with East Asian nomads. It's what I said. https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-PH155/treeYou have one pretty European branch carried by Albanians, Germans and Italians. The ancient sample that carried it was buried in a Gepidan grave, but genetically looked like Siberian Tatar. He was obviously a Hun.
>>16581741>PH155 expanded with East Asian nomadsI don't think you've thought this through.>genetically looked like Siberian TatarNot even close. Did you know the word "Tatar" does not have a Turkish etymology?
>>16580903The fair-haired Tarim mummies are associated with Andronovo, and were mostly R1a z93.however, before them there was an admixture of Yamnaya (Afanasievo), as well as a very ancient R1b absolutely not connected with Europe.
>>16581764>as well as a very ancient R1b absolutely not connected with EuropeWhat's your sources on that one? Or your logic train?
>>16581764Cherchen Man was probably PH155, that's the R1b not connected with Europe. Or Q. He had Andronovo ancestry, all of them had it. >>16581761You just post some nonsense. There's no reason to continue this discussion.
>>16581770>that's the R1b not connected with EuropeAgain, where's your sourcing on that?>nonsenseWhich part did you not like? Tatar isn't even a Turkish word. Turkish as a language family only dated to the very tail end of the classical, at earliest. The first written example doesn't appear until the start of the medieval.
Haplo-autists be like oh corded ware? That's those germans carrying battle axesSpear? Must be a frenchman in that case
>>16581768What?check Yfull, it's not European, it's ANE from Siberia.>>16581770cerchen man was probably z93 and associated with Andronovo, all later mummies were aryan rapebabyes.
>>16581780>Haplo-autists be like oh corded ware? That's those germans carrying battle axes>Spear? Must be a frenchman in that caseHoly lol I mean really
>>16581782All other samples from this cemetery are PH155 or Q. It's unlikely he was Z93.
>>16581782>check Yfull, it's not European, it's ANE from Siberia.Post it all. Show your train of proofs.
>>16581789all the oldest were R1b and Q, all the latest were R1a. Cerchen man lived in the 1st millennium BC. after the Aryan invasion, after all, we literally know their most likely source of blond hair.
>>16581798I already did that. >>16581741You can go back further to R-BY14355. The split between European R1b and Asian R1b seem to happen 17,000 years ago.
Does anyone have any good sources about Celts using armour that wasn't chainmail or linothorax? I'm thinking of armours like the 'pectorale' or 'cardiophylax' like this mounted warriors in the pic form this post:>>16581501So far as I know there's some evidence of Celtiberians using it, and a find from a Celtic burial in the upper Balkans (Romania maybe).What about other places?
>>16581804That's not the point. It's about location. This cemetery don't have Z93 males. They're all PH155 or Q.
>>16581798Look.He somehow got to Turkey, but that's all. https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH155/
>>16581806I'm just pestering you. I don't really care about the facts themselves, I just want to see how you came to the dating of 17k years ago. I don't doubt it but I'm intrigued. >>16581811I don't see why you care.
>>16581808I've seen some proper armor plate, I sugest google images unironically, just place celtic or proto celtic culture names and armor, but I'm guessing it was sort of rare and something for nobles in general
>>16581810literally half the men were R1a z93 and R1a z94 https://www.yfull.com/samples-from-paper/602/
>>16581814>I don't see why you care.Not that I care, but the Tarim R1b are really not from Europe.
>>16581828Again, I don't see why you care. We already agreed that the earliest Aryan stratum comes from central-eastern Asia.
>>16581824Who cares/
>>16581836In the Tarim Basin, 3 layers are distinguished: 1) the oldest Siberian ANE, 2) Yamnaya/Afanasievo, 3) Andronovo/Aryan.here you can literally see the haplogroups of all three.>>16581824
Celts bro, Celts, stay on topic
>>16581824>https://www.yfull.com/samples-from-paper/602/Not all samples are on yfull. There's 200 or so samples from this paper. Cherchen Man was buried in Zaghunluq. All men buried there carried PH155 or Q.
>>165806651 off, satan. There is nothing sinful about learning about history.
>>16581879But everything is Celtic!!! Even Latin is just a dialect of Celtic!! Aaaaaaa
>>16581651I've never read that in my life. Do you have any source? Not that I think it's a lie.but I know that the Tocharians were humiliated and killed by them, should we avenge the Tocharians? they must be avenged
>>16581956Tocharians weren't native to the region. Also, I'm almost sure most of those barbarians were really Indo-Iranians. Tocharians seem to be pretty irrelevant, really.
>>16581956no. They won't show any evidence of it, because it didn't happen.see how these unfortunate people can't decide whether they were Tocharians or Iranians
>>16581929Cherchen man belongs to the samples of the first study of Tarim mummies.the first study found mostly R1a in them.
basically it has been proven that the Europeans in the "Chinese" region lost and were Hapas and some retards think that Celts were Scythians.WOW!
>>16581994...You okay there? It looks like you're having a mental breakdown but instead of internalizing it you're dumping on the keyboard.
>>16582002>>16582002I'm just paraphrasing.one idiot thinks the Celts are Scythians another idiot says the Europeans in China were a success but they were basically used for sacrifices, you tell me, retard
>>16582007>one idiot thinks the Celts are ScythiansI mean they basically are. They share a language family pretty tightly and he did show the kurgan steles ranging from Armenia to western Europe.>Europeans in China were a success but they were basically used for sacrificesThese aren't mutually exclusive things. He's probably right too.
>>16582015don't give that guy (You)s, hes basically the token joomer/golem trying to shit up the IE thread, something that exists on /his/ 24/7
>>16581994Holy fuck what does it matter who lost or won. You are moving the goalposts so hard right now. First you did not want to admit there were Celts in Xinjiang. Now you are claiming they were there, en masse, but they "lost". Quit fucking sperging out over minor things. Why can't you just accept the Celts were there? Who do you have to be bombarded with evidence before you reluctantly move the goalposts like a bitch? Why are you like that you fallacious gobblegabber?
>>16582069Yeah that does sound about right. It also explains why the Goebbels thread suddenly appeared
>>16582085hey, wake up:>>16582069>>16582090/his/ has had this problem for fucking years
>>16582090just engage with people that are actually interested in Celts or whatever
>>16582101Haplo-autists need to be forever replied to until they sperg out so hard they get bannedWe need to bully them, HARD
>>16582015>I mean, they basically are.no. They are not, they are people with different ancrestality, different chronological senses, etc. the Germanics have more in common with the Celts than any Scythians. and scythe is not a racial group, it is very broad.>They share a very close language familywe can say the same with Latin and Germanic, different languages but from the same base family. not a good argument, in fact, the Scythians spoke Iranian, not Proto-Celtic.>and he showed the kurgan stelae that run from Armenia to Western Europe.Kurgans are common across cultures, that is, but they do not mean they are part of the same people. What does this prove? a culture close to a common ancestor
>>16582101Seems to be ongoing>>16582110Right. I do find it amazing how defined their crafts were. It reminds me of what followers of Howard's universe put into art as Lemurian or Atlantisian in quality. The Celts, I was always told, were simpletons. And yet with such extraordinary craftsmanship we have not found their extraordinary cities to rival them. The Celts were doing better craftwork than the Romans in 0 AD or the Athenians in 300 BC. Ironically the only ones that come close were the Mycenaeans of 1600 BC, and all of those examples are far superior to anything in Mesopotamia, where our textbooks assure us the most advanced civilizations should be found. Though I will admit there are some extremely impressive Egyptian pieces preceding the Mycenaeans and Celts.
>>16582085>>16582085There is no evidence of celts in China. only a few quartered Tocharians and other peoples of the Iranian Andronovo branch.the r1b is scarce btw.
>>16582153You JUST admitted the Europeans (celts) in the Chinese region "lost"Dumbfuck
>>16582141Some Celtic metal/jewel crafts are impressive, but I'm pretty sure those are late stage, if you look at their early stage stuff you'll find more rough stuff, despite that, they were better than romans or romans wouldn't have copied their sword and come to them to build some of their first armorsif you wanna see fine craftmanship, check at Scythian jewelry, allegedly it was made by Greek jewelers, but who knows
>>16582141This is an original image of a Celtic sword found in Germany 3000 BC. There are propagandists at work. Celts were highly advanced.>inb4 it was not celts because it was the wrong haplo group or they are supposed to have battle axes or something
>>16582157>>16582157no? haha read my comment above. I said that: the type of Europeans that existed there were basically Iranian and not Celtic.in fact, the presence of any European is very contradictory. I can destroy you if you want to debate, just challenge me
>>165821711935 is when the Sjah of Persia asked foreign nations to use the word IranFuck off illiterate haplo-autist
>>16582166>3000BCHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAThis proves that you are retarded from /pol/, you square mule! this sword is not Celtic and there are no Celts in 3000 BC haha. Does this mean that the first CWC were actually Celtic? and you realize that swords were only really used in the middle of the iron age as something more accessible
>>16582177challenge me. yes or no?
>>16582169>>>16582166Gorgeous>>16582183The Aryan expansion exploded around 3300 BC, there likely were Celts by around 3000 BC. We're talking language btw.
>>16582183Corded Ware is what lying historians call Celts because they don't want to admit continuity. Even historians admit Corded ware people were around 3000BCIt's like if you would call ancient jews the Zoroastrian Prayer culture, that's basically what Historians are doingPure fucking disinformation
>>16582166wtf how could it be preserved so well? it looks slick, and 3000BC? no way, pls poast sourceother than that, there's clearly an "IE" sword pattern, only the joomers/golems will deny this
>>16582183Don't debate with Nordicists. they know nothing about archaeological chronology and think that the IE were somehow a single large tribeWe wuz PersianzWe wuz kingz We wuz greekzWe wuz romanz etc
>>16582166>>16582169this is insane, thanks for posting that anon
>>16582204Celts didn't come from the nord, retard. They were all over the place. They were in fucking XINJIANG
>>16582200>The Aryan expansion exploded around 3,300 BC, Celts probably already existed around 3,000 BC.NO. the Celts are at least close to hallstatt in age, these were proto-Celts and they are not 3000 BC.We're talking about language, by the way.Likewise irrelevant, the language of the Hallstatt people or even Italo-Celtic did not exist in 3000 BC.>Corded Ware is what lying historians call CeltsYou already lost.
>>1658220>IE were somehow a single large tribeThey were. When the Semitic Assyrians invaded and oppressed the Medes everyone from Persians to Scythians to Cimmerians showed up to push their shit in. It's why we support Israel knowing full well they're first on the chopping block if anywhere from outside the Eurosphere tries to pick a fight with us. It's sort of like a disposable part and a warning system all at once.
>>16582211your friend who said that.In fact, the Celts had a limited area from Türkiye to Portugal. just like that, and in places like Portugal and Spain they were well mixed with the EEF and in Turkey, according to the Romans, they were mixed.T: Persian
>>16582211>Celts didn't come from the nordYou're really not going to like what comes next.
>>16582213>Proto-Celtic people arrived from the Balkans to Central Europe around 2500 BCE. Equipped with horses and superior bronze weapons, the Celts quickly conquered Western Europe, from Iberia to the British Isles. Classical Celtic culture emerged in central Europe around modern Austria, Bavaria and Switzerland.HAHAHAH OH NO THE PROTO CELTS YEAH I SURELY LOST THE ARGUMENT NOW NOT LIKE THEY WERE ALL OVER FUCKING EUROPE AND ESPECIALLY NOT 2500 BCI would say something like H1B or 982HB haplogroup BTFO now but I'm not a haplo-autist so I'm not going to
>>16582215>It's why we support Israeldude, the fuck are you smoking?
>>16582221How does this refute me? you won't like what comes next:
>>16582213>>Corded Ware is what lying historians call Celts>You already lost.Corded Ware isn't a culture. It was a way for Soviet historiographers to sneak past actual cultural groups by identifying them with a singular item. The groups themselves can't be and never related to themselves that way.
>>16582231>you won't like what comes next:Oh I think I will
>>16582222The Hallstatt culture was the predominant archaeological culture of Western and Central Europe from the Late Bronze Age (Hallstatt A, Hallstatt B) of the 12th to 8th centuries BC and Early Iron Age Europe (Hallstatt C, Hallstatt D) of the 8th–6th centuries BC, developing from the Urnfield culture of the 12th century BC (Late Bronze Age) and followed over much of its area by the La Tène culture. It is commonly associated with Proto-Celtic speaking populations.1200 – 450 BCHallstatt A (1200 – 1050 BC);Hallstatt B (1050 – 800 BC);Hallstatt C (800 – 650 BC);Hallstatt D (620 – 450 BC)Le celtz nordic 100% north 3000 BC
>>16582234Exactly, corded ware and hallstatt and hilversum and yada yada are all neologisms. And then to associate these made up "cultures" with haplogroups is even more autistic
>>16582245>>16582240Your source is, at the very least, false.Don't use that shit, modern studies prove me right.
>>16582250Oh right yes maybe you were agreeing with me. Sorry I just started doing a day drink and it's already hitting ( I got to work tomorrow making beta bux and I'm already pissed )
>>16582245proto-celts were proto-celts were celtsthanks for submitting
>everyone arguing with the obvious joomer/golemsrsly guys?
>>16582260>Your source is, at the very least, false.That's actual history retard. Read'em and weep. All kinds of goodies in those old books.
>>16582264>>16582264Do you realize this destroys your source of shit?I will summarize:1. the Hallstatt were proto-Celts.2. they are not 3000 BC4. they didn't come from the north, as I proved with my DNA samples5. the peak of the hallstatt elite is not even in the north. related photo
>>16582269Celts called Paris Parisii, not Parisborg. It was a Celtic settlement. So your hypothesis is that Vikings or Norsemen were Celts, and that Celts misspelt their own settlement.
>>16582271Do you realize your dumb made up terms don't mean anything to us? Proto-Celts is like saying Americans before the Federal Reserve were Proto-Americans. Fuck off with your rewritten history
>>16582269What do Vikings from the MIDDLE AGES have to do with you retards?Anyway I won and you know I won.the eschizos here do everything.. from denying the CWC to saying that Celts were Scythians or using retarded sources from books that talk about concepts not supported by modern and even contemporary sources of this rubbish.I won and I'm leaving, you lost, again... and the coolest thing, for a girl who studies hairdressing hahaBye loser
>>16582278>Celts called Paris Parisii, not Parisborg. It was a Celtic settlement.Yes that's right. The Norse names come from much later, around 600-1100 AD. The Celtic names were around at least since the Bronze Age Collapse. >so your hypothesisGermanics split from Celts later on. I never made that hypothesis, I just switched subjects. Don't waste our time making up words to put in other's mouths, it pleases only yourself and everyone sees through it.
>>16582289Based Sardinian Girl!!! I love u
>>16582271Why are you citing me twiceWhy are you obsessed with 'elites' (made up construct by historians)Why are you obsessed with the northWhy do you care about genes and haplogroupsDo you not realize 99% of people visiting this board don't care whether they are related to your so called 'elites'
>>16582289Yes you won you're so smart :))
>>16582289>and the coolest thing, for a girl who studies hairdressing hahaReverse humblebragElites btw
>>16582289git fucking shrekt joomer/golemyou won't be missedS
>>16582302there's something really interesting about that pattern, it came from the norths then stayed with the Celts and the Celts developed it into their own related thing
Speaking of Scythians and Celts, there are some Celtic sites in what is now western Ukraine where Celts settled and intermarried with the Scythians that lived there.
>>16581478Scythians were half-Iranic and culturally far closer to the Persians than Celts
>>16582677you can't post that and not post all the sauce, I love both cultures
>>16582677How would you even differentiate between the two in, say, the 3rd century BC? They wear the same armor, both domesticate the same animals, speak closely related languages even by this point, and build kurgans with steles. They have the same funerary rites.
>>16582689nta, but my understanding is that Persians were settled Scythians, that must be an interesting story to uncoverimo
>>16582693check burials and artifacts, imo they were still quiet different
>>16582689Scythians are Nordic-Aryans racially. Linguistically and culturally they cut the strata between the Avestans and the later Celts.>>16582698I did. I find them quite the same. They literally bury themselves with the exact same items nearly every time.
>>16582694>Persians were settled ScythiansNo. They don't even speak the same language
>>16582710Scythians speak an Iranic language. When the Persian emperor courted Tomyris he did not have to translate his tongue.
>>16582714Might as well considered Italic and Celtic speakers the same thing
>>16580650The creation myth of the Celtic people is that they are directly descended from gods. I like their version of the story out of the many versions of the story you find everywhere white people existed at the dawn of history.
>>16582704ok, let's try it this way, how many Celts have you seen with the Phrygian cap, a mount, short sword a bow and a big ass arrow holder thingie?see now?
>>16582727the thing is that the Dannaan was something that happened relatively late stage, doesn't make it less interesting
>>16582693>say, the 3rd century BC?Vastly different customs and technology among Bell Beaker-descended folk and Scythians or other Steppe groups. Settled farmers since the middle bronze age vs nomadic herders from a continuous tradition. Goths brought agricultural customs that were far more advanced to the Steppe when they came against Sarmatians. Gauls and etc would have had much better metallurgy and defensive equipment than Scythians, perhaps save ornamental designs (but even that can be contested). Also certainly better infantry customs, at least other Western European groups did.
>>16582728>>16582704or even easier, how many Scythians with tartan printthey were different this is no jewish pilpuleventhough I want to say I think they were more related than some people think, however the differences are way obviousalso another interesting difference is that Scythians eventhough they have R1b as well, have predominantly and by that I mean majority R1a, this is very big difference btw, in fact the R1a/R1b split, the day that shit gets really explained we'll learn a lot about ancient aryans
>>16582690>you can't post that and not post all the sauce, I love both cultureshttps://balkancelts.wordpress.com/2016/05/01/celto-scythians-and-celticization-in-ukraine-and-the-north-pontic-region/There's a link to a PDF on there.
>>16582726I kind of do. The early Etruscan helms match those in Negau, and further across middle Europe. >>16582728>ok, let's try it this way, how many Celts have you seen with the Phrygian cap, a mount, short sword a bow and a big ass arrow holder thingie?The original Phrygians before their move, yes, and they were right in the underbelly of Scythia proper. Honestly you're just making points that the two were really the same.
>>16580781Did I misspell civilization? Did I use the word wrong?>>16581640No, just that they live in the Anatolian peninsula.
>>16582775I've been to that blog before, amazing collection of archeological pics
>>16582727>>16582731Danaan are probably the Danaoi of Greece and the Denyen of Egypt. The tribe of Dan in the OT is based on them very loosely.
>>16582728>a big ass arrow holder thingie?I take it your not a golfer
>>16582780>Honestly you're just making points that the two were really the same.the fuck? Phrygian hat is what I said, anyways I don't know if you're dense or just trolling
>>16582787>Phrygian hat is what I saidPhrygians were originally Balkanoid Celts. Also, Cybele is Freja.
>>16582797look I'm not saying they weren't the same people if you go back long enough, I'm just saying as a culture they have massive fucking differences pretty much everywhere you lookthe sword is similar, but I already mentioned key differences
>>16582806>they have massive fucking differences pretty much everywhere you look... Like where? The dress is similar, the weapons are similar, the burials are the exact same, the languages are clearly crossed over, etc etc etc etc going back nearly 32,000 years before hand in material culture and in domestication of dogs.
>>16582811>... Like where?are you dense? I said plenty of differences already:>>16582769>>16582728
>>16582811>the burials are the exact samewhat are you smoking? there's 2 pseudo kurgans in Celtic lands, and they're called mounds and are slightly differentif the burials were the same you'd find over 9000 kurgans in europe, yet you don't
>>16582822>there's 2 pseudo kurgans in Celtic lands, and they're called moundsWhat are you smoking kid? There's at least hundreds of high profile notable ones, thousands beyond that. Mound is a modern linguistic approach, that has fuckall to do with Scythian or Celtic languages. You've got a lot of straw in your hands.
>>16582841oh my bad, show me all those celtic kurgans you speak of right now
>>16582842Awww, da baby wants a spoonfeed becwas he only knew two! Here little baby, I've got one right here lmao
>>16582850ok, that makes it threehow many fucking kurgans do you think there are in scythian landshow many fucking kurgans do you think there'd be in celtic lands if they actually had kurgan burialscome the fuck on...
>>16582863>ok, that makes it threeThank you I just needed confirmation I shared something today. Have a good one!
>>16582870kekmao, yeah I see your infinite celtic kurganstake a nap, retard
>>16582850Newgrange isn't even an IE barrow. Inside were some I2 haplogroup Megalithic descendants, so not even descended from those in Yamnaya. No CWC ancestry, it was a neolithic farmer tomb with uniquely high WHG ancestry. I would be interested to see if there were some Bell Beaker barrows that far west and so ancient but I highly doubt it was the case. And none so grand as newgrange or anything quite like it, that far back especially. IE barrow ls seem more like tall hills, but then you see a layer of wood almost like a pyramid and a rich tomb at the center often. Iron age Celtic barrows are more what you're looking for.
>>16582881nta, thre are 2 celtic "mounds" with their stone idols included, as far as I could tell they looked indeed very similar to a kurgan burial
>>16582811>>16582870Nothing quite like this art style existed in any other IE culture, and though they were quite vicious I don't think I've seen any who made art so soulful as the Scythians. Not photo-realistic like the Romans but still just the patterns and styles VGH...
>>16582907I've seen /his/ claim over and over again that it was made by Greeks specially for scythiansanother interesting thing about scythian jewelry is that you see one specific style that definitely does not seem to be greek at all, like their deers for example, interesting topic wish I knew more about
>>16582289It's Over Celtbros
>>16582922fuck off kike, go make a thread about how israel is totally loved by everyone everywhere and they'll totally not get genocided soon enough when everyone gets tired of their bullshit
>>16582920Yeah the animal patterns were very unique to them, later groups even in NW Europe adopted those patterns here and there. Scythian art has become a passion of mine there are a few good but quite academic books about their art.I don't believe the Greeks would be needed for such art when we're talking about an IE culture and metallurgy such as this >>16582811Even in the Mycenaean era you have agate carving that had such anthropomorphic realism, but no one likely ever went to an academy or whatever to make that. Many cultures, especially IE just genuinely preferred more abstract depictions but you get examples of similar highly detailed work in stuff like game pieces just after the Viking Age or Celtic recreations of Roman art, artisanal repairs or copies, or original designs even. Metal and glass is arguably even simpler to make with such detailed intricacy compared to carving stone or ivory, even with working knowledge of the materials. Would have been a since for Celts. People sell Scythians short because they were genuine savages, but it's like saying cavemen couldn't make amazing or expressive art, when we know that's not the case. That had a high tradition in working with gold especially.
>>16580650theres no such thing as "Celts". All objects labelled as "Celts" do not belong to them or are modern inventions eg "Celtic" attire merely being ripped off Roman attire and Germanic attire with modern additions.Most things mislabelled "Celt" are Roman.
>>16582727"Celtic" people have no creation myth. Actually one of many pieces of evidence that support them being an artificially constructed modern identity.You just made that up, as expected of a paddy.
>>16582211>we wuz chinese n sheet>we wuz everywhere n sheetto be sure to be sure
>>16583392Retard alert
>>16583430Yup. That bell is ringing again.
>>16583430Educated person alert. You actual retard. Take your pseudo-historical fantasy bullshit and fuck off."Celts" do not exist. There is no celtic language, civilisation, culture or artefacts. Its a modern and erroneous invention. Only armchair historians talk about it.
"celtic" is the biggest load of fucking bullshit ever invented.Its just obese Irish nationalist boomers sitting on their pcs trying to convince everyone in the world they are irish and the irish are the root/master race a d that they had an empire/civilisation
>>16583440>>16583453Nafris and beaners who LARP as Iberians on anonymous image boards have no justification to claim European ethnic groups didn't exist, such as the great Celts. It's an Indo-European linguistic branch that is verified and widely accepted among academics and cultural experts of all walks. t. Anglo (Nord) btw
>>16583475Celts didn't exist so can never be great. Theres no celtic civilisation or Empire. Its pure cope from nazi retards like you.
>by begorah the celts used to be great, we wuz literate and civilised and we had an empire to be sure>then the evil Anglos and Jews covered up Celt-wakandai cry every time
>>16583486>Theres no celtic civilisation or EmpireBeaker derangement syndrome. Who said anything about muh civilization? There is no Bell Beaker civilization or empire. But they existed, it's widely accepted they transformed Europe. As did their descendant groups, such as Celts. You don't need shitty pointless brown person monuments and lead pipe drinking niggas to have left something on the archaeological record. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/these-ancient-celts-were-buried-with-their-animals-180983796/
>>16583508"Beakers" aren't a people, it's a type of pottery. Celts are not a people there never was any celts in antiquity.You are trying to call design trends in pottery a race like a moron.Then pulling out of that a made up race because you are a nazi and implying shared civilisation
>>16583538>"Beakers" aren't a peopleQuite feigning being this obtuse. You know what concepts like culture mean. You know there was a language branch called Celtic. And if you refuse it, propose a better model or fuck off. Don't let the door hit you in the neopussy and remember to dilate that shit. It's an open wound, not the real thing.
>>16583568Pottery trends being transmitting by trade does not equal migration or a collective ethnic identity you dimwitYou people are nazis not discussing history but modern political ethno-nationalism crap
>>16583576>Pottery trends being transmitting by trade does not equal migration or a collective ethnic identity you dimwitIt was a thousand year culture with many cultural changes, in many aspects of material culture and genetics, not a pottery trend. We are discussing history and prehistory. You are just bring a fake gay retard contributing nothing.
What/where do I start reading to understand what the haplo autists are talking about?
>>16583658Start with questions that pique your interests. For me, it was learning about neat mammoth hunters and if/how we emerged from them.
>>16581353Rundown?
If you aren't going to argue in good faith, i'll take the discussion elsewhere
>>16582806>look I'm not saying they weren't the same people if you go back long enough, I'm just saying as a culture they have massive fucking differences pretty much everywhere you lookOkay and?Do we call jews the proto-stinky nubian satan's spawn Egyptian slave culture B? Or do we call them jews?How would you feel when I start calling your ancestors proto-stinky nubian satan's spawn Egyptian slave culture B?Fucking asshole.Call people what they are.Have some respect, of course you don't have that, fucking satan's spawn.
>>16583829>proto-stinky nubian satan's spawn Egyptian slave culture B?Kek
>>165821661300 bc tard, not 3000 bc
>>16582850Thats Neolithic, kang
>>16582969I'm with you 2bh, but alas, if they did their super refined and detailed jewelry that'd be even more impressive
Celtic altar for sacrifices in western Spain. https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castro_de_Ulaca
>>16583721they fought with spear and shield, the best warrior had the right to choose and pick the best portion from the feast, before the chief and the druid, the chief wouldn't speak in the feast withut the permission of the druid, the women killed the men who raped them or murdered their husband, when christianity kicks in they claim to be descendants of noah, some weird bits about some link with scythians, they had their own equivalent of Hercules, some of them fought on chariots, with a driver, throwing poisoned spearsdules out the ass between warriors, fighting naked on a battlefield made of thorns
Celtic Castro of Santa Tegra in northern Spain.
>>16584466saw a galician docummentary on the celts, it said that the castros weren't built by celts, pretty awkward
>>16584483Because it's not proven that Galaicans were celts at all. It's all crapy larp from romaniced hispanomutts. The only proven celts were the celtiberians. Celtiberians spoke a celtic language, and they left written account of that, the oldest written account of celtic matter of fact. We don't know what the fuck Galaicans spoke. It's also tought that most of the celtic toponymian in Galicia was the result of roman troops of celtic origin putting names to the new territory.
>>16584623>most of the celtic toponymian in Galicia was the result of roman troops of celtic originWhether the castros were celtic or Iron Age people building it that way we don´t know it for sure but saying this phrase about the roman troops is just ridiculous.How many romans were in Gallaecia? A 0.001% of the total population? So how do so few romans reach to hundred of rural areas and started to gave names to places? If they were roman why did not they use latin? Even if they were roman of celtic origin why did the real romans allowed the places to be given celtic names instead of latin names? It just sound ridiculous and not believable at all.
https://museum.wales/collections/online/object/3917e6f8-187b-3a80-b42d-008cd65ee95f/Iron-Age-copper-alloy-helmet-replica/>The Cerrigydrudion Crown reconstruction is based on the bronze fragments found in a grave near Cerrigydrudion, north Wales. The fragments are from the Middle Iron Age, 405-380 BCE.
https://museum.wales/collections/online/object/c90483e6-615b-31b9-9dd0-eeaa00f744b7/Iron-Age-copper-alloy-shield-boss/?field0=string&value0=iron%20age&field1=with_images&value1=1&field2=string&value2=celtic&page=2&index=12>Iron Age copper alloy shield boss>Decorated with asymmetrical triquetras in paired circles, engraved in Mirror-Style. The shield boss has a domed and pointed oval form, double-arched at the sides, with longitudinal fish-tailed perforated extensions, like the two lugs on each side, for fastening to the shield. Decorated in the central area with four engraved roundels, containing triskele motifs with trumpets, filled in with rolled graver matting.>Bronze cover of a shield boss, 100 BCE-50 CE. It is decorated with a Celtic art design. The shield was probably made of wood and leather.
Cisalpine gauls were based
>>16584698>So how do so few romans reach to hundred of rural areas and started to gave names to places? As they did in the rest of SpainIf they were roman why did not they use latin? They used latin, but they also used celtish toponyms.Even if they were roman of celtic origin why did the real romans allowed the places to be given celtic names instead of latin names?Because it was prestigious to give sort of celtic names to places, the same happened in Gaul. Those names aren't really celtic, they sound celtic, like prefabricated names, very similiar one to another.
>>16584623I'd maybe believe you more if you spoke with a lower level of foaming at the mouth with ragetell me anon, what happened between you and the galicians?
>>16584698anon, isn't it obvious? he's the token joomer/golemdisregard, why discuss something you love with someone that hates you and the thing you love? Doesn't make any sense.
>>16584455>Celtic altar for sacrifices in western Spain.I find this super interesting, celts and sacrifices are interesting
>>16584775>Middle Iron Age, 405-380 BCElove this age, love this artifact, at that age, approximately, Herodotus was writing his storiesvery nice artifact, thanks for posting it anon
>>16584802Celts loved their shield and spear
>>16584909They were making armor for the romans at some point, early on iirc
>>16585107You are right. But sometimes it is good to show them how wrong they are so they shut up a bit.>>16585114There are saunas from the celtic period too. So the saunas were not invented by the romans either.
>>16585217>There are saunas from the celtic period toopls sause
This is what they took from us
>>16585219>>There are saunas from the celtic period too>pls sauseNTA but I just found thishttps://www.academia.edu/9743809/2014_The_Iron_Age_Saunas_of_the_NW_Iberian_Peninsula_an_archaeoastronomical_perspective
>>16585274second time I see this format, I have infinite throwaway emails, but it still fills me with rage that they ask me for my email
>>16585122No problem anonYou might like this too:https://avalonmarshes.org/heritage/glastonbury-lake-village/>The village was habituated between about 250 and 50 BC. In total about 40 roundhouses were built during this time, with a maximum of some 14 at any one time.>The range of everyday items of Iron Age life discovered in the village is staggering, examples are:>Vast amounts of plain and decorated pots of varying sizes>Tools such as billhooks, saws and chisels which retained their wooden handles>Other wooden items such as a ladle, a chopping board, a ladder and parts of a wheel.>Woven baskets, carved and lathe-turned bowls stave built buckets and rectangular boxes made by steaming and bending wood into shape.>Personal ornaments included bronze and iron brooches, pins and rings, shale armlets, glass beads, a pair of tweezers and a bronze mirror.>Spindle whorls and loom weights.>Metal, especially bronze, was worked on-site and a beautiful sheet bronze bowl was discovered.>An antler shaker and a set of bar-shaped dice that had dots representing the numbers three to six were found, suggesting that gaming may have been taking place.
>>16585302>steaming and bending wood into shape.Pretty sure I watched something ages ago about making a replica of an Iron Age chariot and part of the process involved steaming & bending wood. >suggesting that gaming may have been taking place.I think they've found gaming pieces in late Iron Age burials from the ssouth east of England.Remembered it:https://balkancelts.wordpress.com/2019/02/17/alea-iacta-est-games-and-gaming-pieces-in-celtic-europe/
>>16585302have you seen Celtic "evil eye" beads/collars?have you check'd the literary source (by Pliny the elder, iirc) about the cutting of the mistletoe and the Snake egg?Have you seen the dead swords?read the Caesar's passage about the mass inmolation of the Druids and the women?The druid's surgery tools?read the passage of the Scared island of the priestess women that'd kill eachother if they dropped the sacred ceiling straws?read the bits of the women that killed their rapists/ the man that murdered their husband?That should give you a good start if you haven't
>>16585338btw, you can't read most of these in "the celtic heroic age", other than that I'm pretty sure Internet has most of these texts just bits by bits here and there
>>16585338>The druid's surgery tools?The Deal/Windmill Hill warrior from the SE of England?Yeah I've read about that. Really interesting stuff.>>16585357There's some bits about Greek and Roman primary sources here:https://exploringcelticciv.web.unc.edu/chapters-and-texts/
>>16584466Where did they poop?
>>16584623Those helmets are fuckin sweet
>>16585759More stuff about helmets here:https://exarc.net/issue-2020-1/at/embossing-technique-italy
>>16586966>>16585759see what happens when we focus on the people that enjoy the culture? we get an amazing thread
>>16580650Why are Irish women so much better looking than English and Scottish hags?
>>16586966this one>https://exarc.net/sites/default/files/Figure%2017%20a.png>spoiler: no I can't post picslooks a lot like a roman helmet
>>16586973>>16586973and btw, the reason might be cause they got norde'd pretty hard (anglos and scotts), anglos also got roman'd to some degreeoh boy post Irish "celtic" cuties please
>>16586973Lack of Celtic DNA
>>16586982But Nordic women and Italian women are both much hotter than Irish women, so this makes no sense.
>>16586993's k
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>>16586982are you retarded? why do you spics say stupid shit like this Anglos and Romans never interacted besides Anglos being Mercs for Romans. Romans were before Anglos you tard.
>>16586969>enjoy the made up larp cultureyou get an echochamber hugbox
Let's keep the thread going
>>16588318>>enjoy the made up larp culture>you get an echochamber hugboxFeel free to jack off to your interracial porn in another thread Mexican anon.
Celtic head cult hasn't been mentioned yet!
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>>16589041Lugus
>>16589054
https://balkancelts.wordpress.com/2013/09/05/excarnation/>TOWERS OF SILENCE – Excarnation in Celtic Europe>This shrine/sanctuary was erected on the site of the Battle at Ribemont, where around 1,000 Celtic warriors are believed to have died. The victorious Belgae erected this shrine to celebrate the great battle, decapitated the bodies of the defeated warriors taking the heads home with them as trophies. The headless corpses and thousands of weapons collected from the battle field were hung from a large wooden platform (‘Tower of Silence’).
>>16582141Nah, the Mesopotamians are clearly the most advanced in their time, and their level of engineering is way beyond the others.
>>16582166You misread the article you got the image from. The sword is 3000 years old, but that would put it at around 1000BC. You're off by 2 millennia.
>>16589203>stacking blocks on top of eachother>more advanced than reinventing metallurgy like six times in a row, creating running water systems using fucking wood, and creating complex architecturelol
>>16589007it's that time againhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auR-lJfzTeY
>>16589032there was a source that spoke about a Celtic dude that had a whole body preserved as war trophy, and the man said he'd never sell it even if he was offered its weight in goldmore blurry to me is the mention of Celtic skull cups (the kind you'd have seen Scythians use)
>>16589041had never seen it reconstructed like this, just the pillars, neat
>>16589164pretty fucking metal
>>16589216>>16589216Yeah, stacking rocks is way harder. The Mesopotamians had skilled metallurgy. Especially applied in the artistic form. The classic Sargon Mask was from >2200BC, and Sargon was comparatively late in the region, which other impressive metal works being found from Akkad and Sumer far before him.
>>16589270Copper bull from near Ur. >2500BC.
>>16582797Freya is a late developed god in Norse mythology. She is unlikely to be descended from any specific older goddess, and seems to have mostly been an odd split off from the more ancient Frigge. Freya's husband being clearly patterned off of Odin, plays into that. Perhaps she's partially a split off of Frigge and partially some Old European material, combined together, due to her association with the Vanir.
>>16589246Head hunting was still remembered even in the medieval times by Gaelic people despite them stopping this practice under Christianity
>>16589315that reminds me how romans did all they could to forbid warrior honor duels
>>16581482They were not. You should be able to intuit this just from the geography and by looking at the modern populations of Europe.
>>16582291Kænugard comes from the word"Kai" or from PIE root *kaghThis means Quay, enclosure, or natural unloading point in a river, due to its enclosing SHAPE, like that of a woven fence used to restrain sheep.The word-name Caesarius comes from some form of celtic for Cae (note that this often means the man made fence specifically used to enclose sheep), and Arius, meaning that one is BORN in the enclosure of Aries, or that one is a "born Lamb of Aries",- meaning within the timespan of that gods astronomic symbol.this is the same root that Canoe and Quay comes from.The Arawak language of Haiti, curiously, uses the same root "Cae" for things that are woven, rolled or carved out for housing. (like that of the canoe), with the same implication throughout being to "enclose".
>>16589860for all the bullshit the jews and their dogs talk, /his/ is pretty rad, you can find people here with many /his/skills* language reconstruction* skull shapes through pre/his/tory* ancient migration patterns* y-dna expertisse* knowledgeable about burials, artifacts, etc.* knowledge in ancient literary sourcesWe're a fucking badass machine, bros.
>>16581664Other way around. Norse chronicles say Odin (likely Turkic name slightly misinterpreted) came from Tyrkland found in Asealand and taught them writing and fighting. And Germanics come from the steppe, of course. The father of swedish history even said that swedes were Turks and that he would be discredited for saying so but that he would still state the truth.
>>16582166>Celtic swordIs anyone gonna tell him? I mean outright?
>>16590243Nah he's right anon. Nordics had developed runes first from when some traveled south to be mercenaries for the Etruscans. Etruscans would carve letters into their helmets like some Hellenics, it looked amazing. Some were recently found in the far north that pretty much confirms the Etruscans origin of Runes, and Turkic speakers had nothing like this for several centuries. What the Sturlungs we're doing, I forget the exact word but it's a form of syncretism to prevent some of the barbaric things Christians were doing at the time to their heritage. If you could link your ancestors or gods to Troy, to the works of like Ovid or Homer, you were granted some likely cultural protections since it was a preservation of your heritage. Thus Odin became a Trojan, and Hun and a dozen "other" or foreign things, and with some playful etymology you could say things like Aesaland = Asian land or some clear cut bullshit like that. Germanics are descendants of Bell Beakers and Corded Ware/Battle Axe who had been in Europe, even Western Europe for more than a thousand years before the proto-Germanic language was formed.
>>16590315I'm sorry but it's not bullshit. It's so clear that it's ridiculous you're trying to say other wise. It's not a stray word it says he comes from Tyrkland which is found in asealand. Furthermore if you think vikings went raiding into the steppe then you know nothing about the steppe. The word hord comes from the east because nomadic conquering people all come from the steppe. Furthermore as I stated before the father of swedish history, despite being discredited by Eurocentrists was unequivocal. Germanics come from the east, it's absurd to even entertain the reverse. >It looked amazingthis makes you sound biased and wanting to believe a certain narrative to me
>>16590243Firstly, no "Norse chronicles" don't say that, Snorri does once in a text that he's writing to the Norwegian King in order wherein he attempts to craft a theological origin for Icelandic independence. We can obviously tell that the Aesir and Vanir were not in fact a separate race of immortal wizard-king-spirits that originated in Asia because "Aesir" does not have any relationship with "Asia". Secondly, we know that this is a creation of Snorri's because he says so, and we find nothing referencing this in any of the other material on what Asatruar of the period believed. Thirdly, a shitpost memeinfographic that you saw on /pol/ one time isn't a source. Fourthly, no the Germanics obviously didn't come from from Turkey, there's zero evidence to suggest that. The Germanic peoples only "came from the east" in as much as the PIE urheimat is along the Black Sea, but even then the Hunter-Gatherer components of the Germanic peoples came from the West. By the time Proto-Germanic came around there had been over 2,000 years of history in between any sort of oriental (by which again we mean the Ukraine, not Turkey) origination of the Germanic peoples (who obviously would have to remember this as something predating their ethnogenesis as by definition Germanic anything originated in northern Germany and southern Scandinavia).
>>16590267scythian, celtic, roman, hittite, persian, etc. swords follow a very similar pattern, almost as if they come from a same root
>>16586973They aren't. It's a meme from "kiss me I'm Irish" Hibernophilia. There's a reason why Irish men have mass emigrated at every opportunity.Southern English women are the best looking (Germanic and French admixture), then Scots (Nordic admixture), then Irish, then Northern English and Welsh (genetic refuse).
my ancestors :)
Can someone give me a rundown on the origins of the Picts before the thread is kill?
>>16590377At the end of the day, we're all indo Europeans except the sub saharan Africans. That's why this haplograp type stuff does not matter that much.
>>16591451>Can someone give me a rundown on the origins of the Picts before the thread is kill?Mostly descended from the Bronze Age Britons, so far as I know.
>>16580665falseflag bait, kys
>>16591451Brythonic speakers who developed a separate cultural identity north of the Firth of Forth as they were outside the zone of Roman cultural influence.That is to say basically non-Romanised Britons.
>>16591451Picts are theorised to be an ancient migration of Scandinavians.They didn't speak "Indo-european". Tacitus said they were like Germanics."Celt" larpers will lie to you and claim they are Gaelic celts but it was the Gaels that genocided the Picts.Most "celt" imagery is actually just ripped off the Picts, like swirly woad tattoos.
>>16580665kys jew worshiping race traitor
>>16591451I think their origin is very uncertain, but they strike me as very primitive people, like very ancient cultureballs of steel to wander naked in such cold lands
>>16595618>balls of steel to wander naked in such cold landsPretty sure they'd wear clothes.
>>16595897probably, but what many sources said about them is that they were naked, not sure of the context, I don't know much about them other than them being naked and full of tattoos
>>16591451a wild celtic tribe appears !
>>16584623Anon, because of that typo for a second I thought you were arguing the Galatians weren’t celts and I got very concerned.
>>16595906>probably, but what many sources said about them is that they were naked, not sure of the contextSome of them might have fought naked, but I really doubt most of them went about their day-to-day life butt naked. There's Pictish stones with clothed people on them too.
>>16596247when in doubt, primary sources
>>16594908>Tacitus said they were like GermanicsWhat's the source btw? I'm legitimately curious
>>16580918>ancestral Altaic language Pseudolinguistics
