Was the USSR really like this?
>>16586248What about that looks unbelievable to you?
>>16586248Yeah, Pripyat was a nice enough place to live. A lot of Soviet cities were when they had the budget to maintain greenery and art.
>>16586248Yes. Commie blocks were a real thing and still exist all over Russia.
>>16586248Yes. It was really nice. The commieblocks weren't even depressing when they were new. Everybody was chill and everybody bad their basic needs met, and then some. This is what they took from you.
>>16586327>It wasn't depressingIt absolutely was. Zero originality. Everything looks the same because having anything unique is a sign of class difference and will have you shot. The only thing allowed is which communist party leader gets painted on the side of the building>Everyone had thier needs metYou mean how thier needs were being just barely met. It's one of the reasons the USSR collapsed because people towards the end could barely get basic stuff like soap and toilet paper with no explanation as to why. Oh you want more then your basic needs? Wow, tell me more as you I face you against the wall.
>>16586248That pool is soulful. Imagine having access to a nice community gym with a pool and traditional banya out back. Some nice borscht after. Qt Slav wife. Why, I could tolerate all kinds of bullshit with that lifestyle. Shame about the no food or freedom parts thoughbeit.
>>16586354Holy shit it is so obvious not only that you never lived in a communist country you never even lived in a post-communist country. Fuck off with your reddit trivia "knowledge", kid.
>>16586248It looks incredibly sterile and depressing desu. Even at their most successful, communist countries have all of the charm of a hospital waiting room.
>>16586356>Qt Slav wifeRussians are Finno-Ugrics and Ukrainians are Tatars so that's a tall order buddy
>>16586360>Holy shit it is so obvious not only that you never lived in a communist country you never even lived in a post-communist countryOh you're trolling. You know what I'll be honest I fell for it
>>16586369Take your meds.
>>16586354>It absolutely was. Zero originality. People who lived there and published memoirs in the anticommunist west disagree with you. You could put plants and posters and lights and flags on your windowsills and in your windows and doors without issue. >Everything looks the same because having anything unique is a sign of class difference and will have you shot.Literal brainrot, this isnt Warhammer 40k>The only thing allowed is which communist party leader gets painted on the side of the buildingSocialist realism had lots of paintings and mosaics and murals of people who weren't Soviet officials. They were propagandized handsome people, sure, but there was a lot of diversity in the subjects and even some neat abstract art. >You mean how thier needs were being just barely met. Yeah from the last decade of its existence. If it was par for the course then nobody would have commented when Gorby couldnt keep food on the shelves. >It's one of the reasons the USSR collapsed because people towards the end could barely get basic stuff like soap and toilet paper with no explanation as to why. They had explainations, just not good ones. No explanation is good enough when you cant wash your ass>Oh you want more then your basic needs? Wow, tell me more as you I face you against the wall.Mass executions for trivial shit had ceased more than three decades ago by this point. Once again, this is real life, not Warhammer 40k. Stop being so effeminate.
>>16586368Russian women are super hot until they hit 60 and suddenly mutate into babushkas
>>16586392Okay but they still aren't Slavic
>>16586396Yes they are, Western Russians are Slavic, unless you really want to split hairs and say Chechens and Kazakhstanis are somehow Russian
>>16586259It's the filter. Mexicans get the yellow filter while we eastern euros get the gray filter.
>>16586427No they aren't Slavic. They're baltic-finnic chinks. Poles and Belarusians are the only Slavic nations left.
>>16586439Incorrect
>>16586446Extremely correct
>>16586387>what's your problem bro? we haven't done mass executions for like 30 years! get over it!
>>16586492Grow up.
>>16586354>the burger shudders at the thought of his cardboard hovel being taken awayquite endearing, even in its unoriginality
>>16586504>so what if we executed your family? grow up bro!
>>16586439Belarusians are quite Baltic, and even Poland has some Finnic lines. Y-DNA group i'm part of for N1c is full of Poles. I also think Poles have little bit Germanic ancestry, thus making them less Slavic.
>>16586492>the mass executions were committed under one dudes rule >Nobody else running shit in living memory has done anything remotely as bad as what he did >Do we blame the man who orchestrated them?>No I'm going to have a feminine emotional meltdown and cry about literally everything else but him The Soviet Union wasn't a death metal album anon, it wasn't first world, but people had kids and jobs and occasionally good days despite things having the potential to be better. Dilate and seethe more, you fucking loser.
>>16586248SO MUCH OPPRESSION BY THE HECKIN COMMUARCHY OH MY RONALDREAGAN I'M GOING INSAAAAAAAAANNNNNNE
>>16586362My parents say Cuba is interesting and people find ways to enjoy life even though they have no cars or AC and live mostly off rice and beans
>>16586360>>16586387To be fair, a certain amount of imagination and artistic sense is necessary to appreciate brutalist architecture. Your average burger is to busy jerking off over photographs of soulless faux-french mcmansions to appreciate the beauty in raw concrete.
>>16586248It would probably be in vain, but I recommend to watch Soviet movies from the second half of the 80s. It's the most authentic experience of the late USSR that you can get.
>>16586248Thats pretty much every inner city goverment affordable housing project in Europe since the 1960's. It wasnt unique to USSR, the difference was that for the soviets, it was usually prestige projects while in europe it was housing where they dumped poor people, hoping some greenery would make them not drink and drug themselves to death.
>>16586248According to my mom yeah. Nice public spaces but visible poverty in the residential areas
Soviet society is equal for the most part. Even if there is distinction of elite soviet and most plebs it's not heaven and earth difference like capitalist country. Even the richest of soviet elites probably by corruption is just probably middle class by world standard. They probably just get comfortable apartment and imported car.
>>16587046>it's so shit you have to warp your very sense of reality to like itnot quite the endorsement lol
I'm no commie, but having such cheap land that anyone living above the poverty line can afford a dacha they can go chill at anytime they like sounds pretty sweet. Frankly I'd rather just stay there than in my apartment.
>>16587122I wanted to write a long-ass post but then decided to write just this: the Soviet society wasn't really stratified by material wealth rather than the possibilites the different classes had. For example, as a common proletarian you would probably never have been allowed to go even to a friendly Warsaw Pact country, while as a party member you'd have been able to travel anywhere except the US and its allies, and you had been a diplomat or a renowned artist you could have gone even there.
The world used to be like that, not only the USSR.
>>16587280THEY TOOK THIS FROM YOU
>>16586248At first I hate the appearance of communist blocs... But - I don't see much in the way of fences around about them. They look shit - but .... maybe they're supposed to. The surrounding area is pretty nice still.
>>16586248Depends where but yes that looks like just about any decent-sized city outside of remote parts of the USSR, especially closed cities like Pripyat.
>>16587476They looked really modern and futuristic in the 60s and 70s, especially since they were newly built and not decayed yet. By the 80s they were definitely passé and started showing signs of wear, too. It wasn't until the 90s that they became synonymous with shit, depression, and disrepair.
>>16587069It was quite different because in the Eastern Block it was well-adjusted normal people who lived there, so it wasn't associated with the kind of dreg that filled this housing in Western Europe.
>>16586248https://youtu.be/6i4xy360fgc
>>16588552>USSR was shit by the end of the 80sNo shit???? That's why communism collapsed.
>>16586248For a brief time, in some particular places, yes. Soviet russia used to be a nice place to live, around the late 60s to the early 80s in the european part of the country. That's why boomers are so nostalgic for it. But that came at great costs and was not to last, and eventually crashed down onto them. For example russians enjoyed a better education than americans, and had all kinds of extracurricular activites all paid by the state, like piano lessons.
>>16588717The pictures in the OP are supposed to depict 1986.
>>16588791Good post, but this was also true for other Warsaw Pact countries, not just USSR>>16588795Fuck OP's pictures
>>16586248The decline in life expectancy that tards blame on capitalism started decades prior
>>16586248>>16588838pic
>>16586248I live in Fabijoniskes :) Where Chernobyl and Siberian Education was filmed :D
>>16586248In the most developed parts yeah, it did.However, as other anons have pointed out, this isn't particularly impressive or great.Most western countries built similar things to contain immigrant population in the 60s to 80s (which now turned back on them as they've devolved into pseudo-ghettos).From where I'm from, these are literally the government given appartment if you're a neet unable to afford one.
>>16586248Maybe in the 80s or the 70s. To be honest, I think it's comfy.>>16586362Maybe we have different tastes, because I think it's charmingly melancholic.Maybe it's because I loathe the sun.>>16586387When in the 80s would you say the shortages got really bad?>>16587008Of course it's going to be interesting. It's the only succesful Tropical communist country.
>>16586248Immagine a gheto projects area in the US but everybody is white and gets along and there's no crime.Going to work, just to clock in, but not expected to do anything.As long as you fit in and don't make a scene or try to think for yourself, life's just fine. You might not have much, but neither does anybody else, except for a chosen few, who keep to their circle.
>>16589198On the other hand, not only were you expected to fall in line, this also meant, the people above you head to. So everybody was too afraid to change anything.Technologicaly, in much of soviet union, time stopped in 1940s. Any advancements made after that, never became widely available to average soviet. Cars, color tvs, etc. - you had the tech and people with ideas, but the system was too rigid to adopt to changes.Better stuff - even the commpie block apartments, were given to people with connections or when you fulfilled certain requirements of 'of being exceptional in falling in line'.Best way to deal with it all and not stick out too much, was to drown yourself in alcohol, especially to prevent yourself from being creative.
>>16586971>The Soviet Union wasn't a death metal album anonBetween 1920s-1940s, the Soviet Union suffered three mass famines that each resulted in millions of people starving to death. This is an event that Kazakhstan today regards as a genocide of Kazakh people. It was too the point where the United States and other capitalist nations had to send massive stores of food so that the Russian empire wouldnt starve to death completely in the greatest extent of mass death in human history. This alone is a "death metal album" and its utterly insane for leftist to hand wave or excuse shit like this away, but cry crocodile tears over the issue of hunger in America now as if its the worst thing ever and indicates that "capitalism" is beyond reproach. Communism is wholly anti-human and evil and must be called out as such.
>>16588791>like piano lessons.Really?
>>16589238Soviets enacted a lot of huge scale projects, without much care for individuals, but also sht like some guy in kremlin coming up with a plan to grow bananas everywhere in the USSR, without counting the fact, bananas don't grow in arctic climate, but nobody being brave enough to tell the comrade rule maker in kremlin.In fact, these sort of brave new world projects were pretty common all around the world in the first half of 20th century - man taming the nature, just that in USSR, they were executed with extreme measures and when they didn't work out, the consequences were tragic. Which happened more often in USSR, where many such projects were lead by people unfit for the task.As continuation of similar practices in Russia today, you can look at how the state/oligarch owned companies are ran - people closest to the inner circle get the sweetest deals and run the easiest to operate industries - mining for example, where the only requirement to make bank, is to dig something up from the ground and industries which somewhat require brain, are left to the outer circles
>>16589279Mining is actually pretty hard. Well, I suppose if you don't have to care about being profitable, maybe not. Just throw more resources at it
>>16589279>some guy in kremlin coming up with a plan to grow bananas everywhere in the USSR, without counting the fact, bananas don't grow in arctic climate, but nobody being brave enough to tell the comrade rule maker in kremlinIt wasn't bananas, but corn. And the guy was Khrushchev himself.
>>16589377As an example. But projects like these were kind of similar to what lead to us dust storms and australian cactus attack, etc.With planned economy, if the guy who has to carry out the plan is the one who realizes, it's a bad idea, a whole chain of people would need to be convinced, before anything could be changed and by that time, the initial guy would be in gulag for disobeying the orders.
>>16589238>muh productivity>if you are unproductive you are le badA people with slave mentality do not deserve rights and human status.And most ironic part is that that collectivistic, workist rat literally holds same views as oldschool ussr commies.
>>16589238Any idealogy or religion are wholly anti-human and evil and must be called out as such, including conformity.
Weren't towns around atomic energy stuff and other military secrets intended just for military officers, scientists etc and their families? They were closed off to the general public (some still are in Russia today) and had a higher standard of living compared to regular places
>>16589453Not really no
>>16589238>Between 1920s-1940sSo basically entirely under Stalins reign, yeah. When a train keeps derailing while being driven by a bad conductor, you dont blame the train, retard, you blame the conductor. Notice how nothing even close to those atrocities occurred in the five decades after those first two. If the system was so inherently anti life you would imagine it would keep happening, but Chernobyl and the Siberian meltdown are the only comparable incidents and they occurred right before the collapse of the Union. Stop being such an emotional wretch. Nobody defends Stalin. Get over yourself.
>>16589549>>16589549>Stop being such an emotional wretch. Get over yourself.Follow your own advice, faggot.
>>16589111>When in the 80s would you say the shortages got really bad?It was a problem in the later years, but people knew there was an issue. Russia as it exists today has less than 10% arable land fit for large scale agriculture, and most of it is arctic or barely sub arctic. If there's a flash frost or a late thaw, you're totally fucked. Even in Imperial Russia they had crazy famines that pushed the people to agitate against the system. Sort of like a Mandate of Heaven situation.
>>16589552>Do I blame the murderer or do I blame the society You blame the murderer you fucking fool, if the Soviet system was so inherently murderous why did mass killings and imprisonment (which even at its height doesn't even come CLOSE to the American level of imprisonment per capita) suddenly stop once dear old Koba had his stroke and died pissing himself in his bed? If a town has a higher than usual number of rapes, and one guy dies and the rapes stop, does that mean the town is built to facilitate rape or was it just the town rapist doing what he does best?
Everything was great.
>>16586327>everybody bad their basic needs met>Everybody was chillClearly their heating must have sucked then.
>>16589584Honestly I would rather be too cold than too hot. When I lived in Florida the heat was fucking oppressive.
>>16589557>Russia as it exists today has less than 10% arable land fit for large scale agricultureAnd yet they manage to export food today whereas in the USSR they had to import it.
>>16589385>australian cactus attackFound my new punk band name
>>16589571>which even at its height doesn't even come CLOSE to the American level of imprisonment per capitaNTA, but what about the American level of killings?
>>16589571>>Do I blame the murderer or do I blame the societyI literally never said that, learn to actually read, instead of imagining doing so.All i said>follow your own adviceAnd look at yourself, you really should do so.
>>16589602Yeah modern farming tends to help with that. Thanks to the Five Year Plan. They also import and smuggle shitloads in from neighboring countries now. I love that post from Helsinki PD showing a Russian truck that was trying to smuggle nearly a ton of Finnish cheese over the border once the Ukraine War really kicked off.
>>16589571>>16589549>defending ussrWhy?
>>16589615>Thanks to the Five Year PlanUmm, Russia doesn't have five year plans.>They also import and smuggle shitloads in from neighboring countries nowYeah, but I was talking specifically about domestic productionhttps://www.forbes.ru/prodovolstvennaya-bezopasnost/492604-rossia-postavila-rekord-po-eksportu-zerna-cto-budet-v-sleduusem-sezone
>>16586248No, this is trve Soviet.
>>16589614Every one of your posts lays the blame at the feet of Soviet socialism when none of the other leaders who ran that system engaged in the same level of paranoid psychopathy that Stalin or Lenin did and just conveniently leaves out how nothing remotely as bad happened when those two weren't in power, save the Chernobyl disaster. Lenin isn't a good guy but Stalin was a fucking monster, every premier after him was nowhere near as bad, and your conclusion in every post prior to this heelturn backtracking cowardice is "muh gommunism". You'll notice when socialist systems don't have psychopaths running the show, things aren't quite so hideous. Lackluster in comparison to the richest and most developed countries on the fucking planet, sure. Missing certain individual liberties, absolutely. Ineffecient economy because top down command is a shitty way to run your markets, one hundred percent. But unless you're a total Petersonite toadie there's no real evidence for this pearl clutching "gommunism is the greatest killer ever" when the Nazis killed more in their short time on Earth than Stalin, the most murderous commie short of the based retard Mao.
>>16589634>Russia doesn't have five year plansStalins Five Year Plan is historical fact and you might want to read up on that anon
>>16589662Didn't you notice that we're not talking about Stalin?
>>16589607Does the genocide of the Aboriginal Americans count? If not, we have a proud tradition of killing striking workers in the early 20th century, bombing occupied towns with biplanes, and sending Pinkerton goons to murder union laborers and leaders, all approved by the powers that be. Nowhere near as bad as a totalitarian state, true, but that's why we imprison people as slave labor. Read the 14th Amendment.
>>16589655What posts, what are you even talking about?>>16589552>>16589614These are my posts.
>>16589668>Russia doesn't have five year plans >Stalin did tho>wuh what we aren't talking about StalinBruh did you doze off in class when they were teaching reading comprehension? Stalin is the only one in my recollection to even use the phrase Five Year Plan
>>16589683That's why I asked. Remember that the Soviets managed to murder around 800k people within just 2 years.
>>16589689Oh, my bad, I thought you were >>16589238My apologies.
>>16589699>Russia doesn't>Stalin did>doesn't>didI'll leave the question of reading comprehension to you.
>>16589700Yeah, under a notoriously psychopathic Premier. Funnily enough that all stopped when he died.
>>16589710I don't argue with your statement, just found it funny that you still tried to be apologetic towards Stalin saying it was still better than in muh America.
>>16589627Not even a commie or particularly socialist but these half-baked Petersonian criticisms are pretty easily laid at the feet of the leaders themselves rather than the system, since they didn't repeat themselves to any noticeable degree once he was gone. It wasn't a good system but it's needlessly reductive to use feminine emotional appeals like "anti life" and focus on the universally agreed upon psychopaths reign when the rest of its time on Earth wasn't nearly as grimdark.
>>16589719Didn't say it was better, anon.
>>16589727>mass killings and imprisonment (which even at its height doesn't even come CLOSE to the American level of imprisonment per capita)Sure.
>>16589655>defends ussr for no reason at all>whatabotism about nazis>mao not true gommunismCommies are legit insane.
>>16589732All or nothing thinking is a symptom of autism anon, you can disagree with mass imprisonment and still bring up the degree of imprisonment between free countries and totalitarian states without saying one is better for it.
>>16589735>disputing emotional warbling is defending something Lol>noooooo don't bring up the much more successful mass murders that occurred in less time Lmao>le mao isn't commieShow me the part where I said Mao wasn't a commie. I recall saying he was a based retard commie who won the "starve your people" challenge, but didn't say anything about his status as a True Scotsman
>>16589453Yes they were. And considering how many military bases there were in USSR, there were tons and tons of closed districts with no real need for them to be closed, but they were.
>>16589767State security is a beast
>>16589743Are you sure you're not the autistic one here?>you can disagree with mass imprisonment and still bring up the degree of imprisonment between free countries and totalitarian states without saying one is better for itWhy would you bring that comparison up anyway? It served literally no purpose in that discussion apart from literally stating "btw it was still better than in the US".
>>16589777It was an aside that puts the mass incarceration of the totalitarian state into context. You'll notice I never said it was better or worse for it, it's just a fact.
>>16589767Although, the security wasn't nearly quite as tight as some might believe. The closed towns in remote areas, sure - simply by nobody living nearby, but for example, a lot of the coastal areas in Baltics were off limits to outsiders, yet they didn't really expell the little local population that was left after war and you could visit your relatives and sht with permits.
>>16589798>context>didn't say the exact numbers, didn't say the exact years, didn't say anything - just that the level was higherWhatever you say, buddy.
>>16589820Do you deny that the USA has 20% of the world's prison population today? Putin's Russia's trying to catch up, don't get me wrong, but even during Stalins Terror they weren't even close to what were dealing with now, yet you don't see anyone but libtards and rappers commenting on this disparity.
>>16589835>compares Stalin's USSR to today's AmericaYeah, you're special.
>>16589842How is it a bad comparison?
>>16586248Petty crime was relatively low, but the standard of living was still abysmal. Everything was cheaply made, overpriced, and in chronic shortage. Didn't matter if it was a car, table lamps, or basic sugar and potatoes groceries. New construction was done poorly and held up terribly and older infrastructure was literally crumbling. All of this applies doubly outside of the major European metropoles of Moscow, Leningrad, and Kiev.Just how neglected everything was can be seen in average height, where chronic malnutrition meant that the average ethnic Russian outside Moscow was 10cm shorter than the one in Moscow. You also see it in life expentancy. In the late 80s, Soviet male life expectancy was 65 years, 10 years shorter than in the United States.The 80s was a time of chronic decay in the Soviet Union. Pic rel is a Soviet grocery store from that period. You can see why Yeltsin was so ashamed after visiting the American one. Commieboos, like naziboos, will accept literal propaganda images as gospel truth and somehow imply everything was totally great while ignoring the fact that things were so abysmal that the whole country and ideology collapsed 5 years later.
>>16589864>YeltsinThat story always cracks me up. Imagine going to the country of the great enemy and finding out that not only is their propaganda completely true, but they were underselling it.>"For a long time, on the plane to Miami, he sat motionless, his head in his hands. 'What have they done to our poor people?' he said after a long silence.">"On his return to Moscow, Yeltsin would confess the pain he had felt after the Houston excursion: the 'pain for all of us, for our country so rich, so talented and so exhausted by incessant experiments'.">Yeltsin added, "I think we have committed a crime against our people by making their standard of living so incomparably lower than that of the Americans."
>>16589273My russian piano teacher said it herself. She doesn't live in russia since the glasnost so she still thinks everything is just like back then in mother Puccia. But so much as suggest her to go back and she'll recoil as if i were a member of the ICE.
>>16589549No, the first one was under Lenins rule, the second two were under Stalin. You're proving my point by trying to hand wave this away as "not that bad"Three mass famines in the course of 30+ years with millions of people starving is an insane level of suffering. My point is to expose sovietapologist as miserable, anti human ghouls and BTFO their bullshit humanitarian mask they hide their mass murder resentment behind. Come clean and just admit you love this empire of death because you wish you could rule it.
>>16587008>My parents say Cuba is interesting and people find ways to enjoy life even though they have no cars or AC and live mostly off rice and beansI heard someone who went there describe it as an interesting place. Like what's easy in the U.S. is hard in Cuba, but the opposite is also true: like what's easy in Cuba is hard in the United States. On the one hand, they really do lack for things. Like where I live, I can travel five minutes and get a candy bar whenever I want, 24 hours a day. Cuba is just not like that. They lack access to technology like we do, as well, which is important. But there does seem to be a kind of social solidarity there, like an "everyone is in it together" mentality because, like, when the power goes out in Cuba, it goes out for *everyone* and not because you forgot to pay your bill that's why you should feel ashamed of yourself. The medical system in Cuba does seem to lack a lot of basic stuff, but if you get sick you just go to the doctor and it's 100% free and three doctors will tend to you on the spot, while that can be an ordeal in the U.S.They have this tourist economy now and people are just trying to get by, and I doubt it presents an alternative to capitalism anymore, but somewhere deep down in there, or in the DNA of the place, there was an attempt to create an alternative form of modernity, like in terms of the priorities about what is important and what's not.>>16589273>like piano lessons.>Really?Soviet education was undeniability high quality. From what I've read about it, it's closer to what trad guys want (without the religion). Like they elevated classical music, and traditional Western and Russian literature (Shakespeare, Goethe, Pushkin). Literary commentary was a mass and popular thing. The problem is the USSR also restricted access to the outside world. There was incredible hunger for information which the government restricted and told lies that became less convincing as shortages mounted.
Another thing I find interesting about the history is also the differences in media. For example, I like a lot of "capitalist" media and would probably rather watch an American action movie than a Soviet movie. But in America, media is primarily a commercial enterprise: media products are created to make a profit. The Soviet Union was not like that.So when you watch old Soviet television programs, a lot of it is pretty boring, and there's propaganda in there too, but it's a bit like watching PBS -- which is a non-profit media organization in the U.S. that's partially funded by the government. The idea is to educate people, to make people behave better, and that sort of thing. It's "eating your vegetables." Communist America is if you get rid of the for-profit media outlets and just have 30 PBS channels. It would actually be more "wholesome" in a way. But do you want to watch PBS all the time? Maybe I want to watch some violent trash.Communism almost seems like a dictatorship of schoolteachers. It's good for you, but there's a strict curriculum and you'll get a failing grade if you stray from it, and that become stifling. And since making a lot of money isn't an option if you want to rise up, getting good grades becomes the way to do that. Of course, that can be related in the U.S., but you don't necessarily have to do well in school to make a lot of money.Here's funny Cuban music video by a reggaetón-like band. What's it about? A guy is abusive to his girlfriend which diminishes her, so she casts a spell that shrinks him down so he's tiny, and then he's chased around by a chicken. That's a positive moral lesson: be nice to your girlfriend. I don't know how censorious the Cuban government is, but I can't imagine they tolerate a ton of music that's just about getting rich and acting like Andrew Tate, because that's capitalist egoism:https://youtu.be/ZVdI-xbFNgw
>>16590072>And since making a lot of money isn't an option if you want to rise up, getting good grades becomes the way to do thatNo, you got that part wrong. You either kiss teacher's ass (corruption) or you reject the whole system and go spend time with your friends (shadow economy)
>>16586248About education - in Baltics, compared to schools nowdays, there did use to be highschools with all kinds of fairly expensive sports facilities. From pools to ski jump towers.Not sure if mandatory for everyone, but 9th grade physics exam - that's for ~15 year olds, involved assembling an FM radio kit.
>>16587008cuba is good because people can blame castro fucking up the economy on the embargo
>>16589864IMO, American houses, post 1960s were pretty badly built. New ones are especially abysmal with construction quality.
>>16586248it's tolerable when there were hardly any diasporic blacks, jews, spics, etc. etc.
>>16586248Yes and it still is. I would rather live there than Amerimutt cities.
>>16586248>Grass and apartments Nigga I can find a neighborhood like this in Brazil right now.
>>16586436>we eastern euros get the gray filterit's not a filter bro
>>16590538You would get diasporic Azeris, Kyrgyz, Tajiks, Tatars, Jews, Armenians etc. etc. instead
>>16590431Your opinion is retarded. There's a reason we don't build like that anymore and it's the reason residental structure fires are super rare now. You're just buying into survivorship bias. Like cars and consumer goods, the things they built that then are literal garbage compared to today.>>16590040>yeah, the power grid regularly collapsing really encourages a sense of communityAre commie sympathizers really this absolutely retarded?Also who gives a fuck about American doctors? The rest of the capitalist OECD works the same way. Cuba has an excess of doctors because they train a shitload and have lower standards.
>>16590787Tell me you've never encountered african americans without telling me you've never encounted african americans
>>16586248Yes. Free apartments. Free education. Why?
>>16590823I never said it would be the same.
>>16590845Slavs are the furthest things from NIGGERS
>>16590848I didn't mention any slavs, read again
>>16590851All the groups you mentioned except kikes are slavic. Stop embarrassing yourself nigger lover
>>16590862Ok, this is trolling now.
>>16590799>yeah, the power grid regularly collapsing really encourages a sense of community>Are commie sympathizers really this absolutely retarded?It does when it happens to everybody. Most shit you read about Cuba is either "the Cuban people are on death's door" or "the Cuban people are happy and thriving in paradise." But there's never any real nuance to that. Like the country is extremely hosed up in general, very poor and the people live in very poor conditions, and it's probably not sustainable. But people are also, like, extremely proud of certain things about the country, such as how safe it is in Cuba. You don't see any homeless people whereas in the U.S. a homeless person can really just be dead meat. A certain social floor exists in Cuba (it's low obviously, but such a thing does not exist in the U.S.). It's cheaper to buy import beer and easier to get rum or beer than bottled water. The cigars are actually great and the cars are exactly what you've seen in photos and it's mind boggling. There's nowhere else like it on earth.
>>16586368Russians are stereotypical Slavs.
>>16591127leave him, he's too far gone in haplofaggotry
>>16590131Maybe it's not that diverse anymore, but Estonia has one of the world's greatest education system as of now. They surpassed us Finns when the nogs started to come here.>ski jump towersSki jumping here in Finland is usually just a hobby, those towers are free to use but it's not the easiest hobby because the parents need to be quite involved.
the USSR was bearable from 1958 to 1975ish. Most people were content. Reading a book called the Soviet 60s and apparetly people were still living in holes in the ground in Stalingrad as late as Stalins death in '53 though. Once the housing crisis was resolved modern agricultural techniques also ended starvation, though those who travelled to the west (which was illegal for most) were, throughout all of soviet history, completely in awe at the piles of goods even in a rural nothing village in somewhere like Austria.
>>16589615>Yeah modern farming tends to help with that.eh, nope. Tsarist Russia exported grain. Soviet agriculture was just amazingly inefficient. At times 10-15% of Soviet budget was spent on subsidies for agriculture and even then they had to import. In comparison it was 1-2% in the US who exported their gigantic surpluses
>>16589888Cold War propaganda in general is really interesting to read about. Apparently Reagen was told when he became President in 1980 that they were all fully aware the USSR was fucked and were telling Reagen all the issues it had and how it more or less relied on the kindness of the US for its survival.Reagen just said fuck it and started to cut off all lines of credit that the USSR was getting from the west and the rest is history
>>16590040>Soviet education was undeniability high quality. From what I've read about it, it's closer to what trad guys want (without the religion). Like they elevated classical music, and traditional Western and Russian literature (Shakespeare, Goethe, Pushkin). Literary commentary was a mass and popular thing. The problem is the USSR also restricted access to the outside world. There was incredible hunger for information which the government restricted and told lies that became less convincing as shortages mounted.This is true but also still sort of true today. If you speak to a Russian woman online (interpals etc) they are just far, far more intellectual on average compared to say an American woman. Russian women tend to have a much deeper appreciation of literature and classical music. Still hangovers of soviet times or the russian education system still puts a lot of focus on this. watch out for gold diggers though :^)
>>16589575Yup.
>>16586396What does that matter?
>>16586248Thats just Lithuanian old soviet-era buildings with blue filter
>>16592266I think this problem is more restricted to America. I'd say women in Europe (at least in north) are also quite educated.
>>16589198Damn, i'm not sure to think of this. Getting out of the rat race and the endless dick measuring contest of wealth would be nice for my simpleton ass. But at the same time I really like having the freedom to think and do what I want.
>>16587280How old are you?
>>16592798>le le le le rat racestop watching hamza/tate you child
>>16586248a brand new closed city? yes.
>>16587251NtaMy father travel to Romania on sone school trip when he was a kid. He bought some meat grinder from Romania, still works. That's the only time my father has left the country (Bulgaria), even today.
>>16592861The rat race critique has been around since the 80s anon, probably earlier if you care to look. Capital is all well and good and wealth is nice but people are happy to make a decent wage to survive on and accrue some wealth to retire on while they do the thing they enjoy, rather than making more money than they will ever need at a job they hate.
>>16593741>He bought some meat grinder from Romania, still worksThat's a terrible way to talk about your mother anon
>>16593741I don't know how it was in the Warsaw Pact countries, but in the USSR you had to apply for an exit visa which was hard to obtain because KGB did a background check on you and if there was anything out of the ordinary (a job in the MIC, no family, bad characteristics from school/uni/work) you'd be denied automatically.
>>16590040most of the problems plagueing cuba are from the massive US embargo thats been going on for decades. imagine how much better of a place it would be to live in if it was allowed to trade and cooperate normally with its neighbors
>>16589549>dude it was ALL Stalin lmao, the system that enabled one man to exterminate so many millions isn't to blame lol
>>16594285Yeah basicallyIt's like saying democracy is anti life because America genocided the natives
>>16589835The assumption that a normal person makes when it comes to incarceration rates between a free and totalitarian nation is that in the free nation all the incarcerated persons are guilty of some form of crime, but that the free nation doesn't imprison political dissidents, and that any criticism of the state doesn't give them an automatic trip to prison with a potential of execution for speaking agains the dear leader.In contrast in a totalitarian state you have a mix of people guilty of actual crimes ( theft, murder, etc), along with dissidents whose only crime was criticizing the state.The Soviet union murdered its citizens for the crime of wanting multiparty elections, wanting leaders like Stalin to step down, or for their property to not be stolen by the state.
>>16592861I hate those guys, I'm sick of the pursuit of wealth. it's fucking soul-crushing and I am content with just a few things.
>>16588494I live in a commie bloc in Czech Republic today. They were mostly sold off into private ownership in the 90s. If your bloc has a decent owners association that takes care of the building; and it's in a nice part of town; they're actually pretty nice places to live. The value of the flats in our estate has gone through the roof in recent years.The only real problem is noisy neighbours, since the walls can be pretty thin. We've been mostly lucky with that, though.
>>16586354Completely false. I'd like to know what media contributed to the image you hold. About basic needs: the standard before the war were smallish apartments in older buildings with drafty windows. No bathroom, warm water was produced via the stove. No, not only in Russia, same story I germany. These commieblocks on the other hand had district heating instead of having to carry coal. They had a bathroom at all, with warm water as well and your own toilet.
>>16586354>Everything looks the same because having anything unique is a sign of class difference and will have you shot.Holy shit you're retarded
>>16595711He's not entirely wrong though. Being different in a socialist society most of the time meant asking for trouble.
>>16595688Noisy neighbors is a big problem. Two college whores used to live next to me and I had to listen to them fucking different men every night.
>Tsars>SaarsDoes this prove there is some kind of racial understanding and solidarity between Bharat and Pocciya?
>>16595742Yes Habibi.
>>16586436The moment you cross east of berlin everything is blue filtered.
>>16595776operation ost barborosza kino
>>16589571>if the Soviet system was so inherently murderous why did mass killings and imprisonment (which even at its height doesn't even come CLOSE to the American level of imprisonment per capita)Its amazing how insane stupid communists are you want us to take Soviet statistics at face value when Stalin regularly shot them for reporting statistics he did not like.This is ignoring the fact Soviets executed way more people than we ever did. Its no fucking surprise they had less people in prison, even if we trust the bullshit numbers they produced.
>>16594342>It's like saying democracy is anti life because America genocided the nativesWhat a retarded thing to say considering American democracy has been constantly reformed since then to acknowledge the oppression of minorities because the system was at fault for doing that.
>>16586248USSR? Bitch, it's still like this, now with shitty ads everywhereat least the buildings were new back then, they look even shittier these days
>>16586327>Everybody was chill and everybody bad their basic needs metAnd how would you know that, faggot? Are you 50-70 years old? My boomer (actual baby boomer) uncles and grandparents tend to disagree
>>16586392>until they hit 30alcohol
>>16586362>have all of the charm of a hospital waiting roomwait until you see soviet, especially post-soviet hospital waiting rooms
>>16592813I like how he still didn't respond
>>16589571>which even at its height doesn't even come CLOSE to the American level of imprisonment per capitaI just crunched the numbers. c. 1953 the USSR's incarceration rate was 946/100k, similar to the US rate in the 2000s.
>>16596017Are you implying that the Soviet Union didn't undergo reforms after Stalin?
>>16586248is this from a film? does anyone know which one
>>16586248
>>16596567Still looks like shit
>>16596550It is the HBO tv series Chernobyl. Pretty good show in my opinion. Pretty historically accurate with only a few instances of Hollywood editing like the trial in the end or the nude minors.
>>16596927Miners*
>>16596567Right is still shitty:>Very dense housing that looks shitty inside>No amenities close by>Soulless architecture that looks ugly even in the summer>Ugly subway connects you on 40 minute commute to your soulless wagie job>You have to take the same shitty subway to get your groceries etc.Garden cities can be done right, but commie blocks are not it. If you need greenery for it to look nice then that just emphasises how shitty it really is.
>>165887951986 was a terrible year for the USSR
>>16588921Looks horrible
>>16596567>cia this cia thatkys pinko retard>>16596977>no amenities>no groceriesdo burgers really think that high density dwellings are just as dead as their cardboard suburbs? please be bait!>40 minute commutearen't you supposed to cry about 15 minute cities?
>>16597183>do burgers really think that high density dwellings are just as dead as their cardboard suburbs? please be bait!The commie ones are, it's a very common complaint. That's why I posted an example of a comfy Central European city that has both aesthetic housing block if appropriate density and amenities all in range.Btw it looks beautiful in winter too.>aren't you supposed to cry about 15 minute cities?What? I don't think you get. Imagine "suburbs", but you live in a commieblock flat and can hear your gay neighbours fucking. But unlike Americans you don't own a car and you need to take shitty public transport just to go buy some shitty Vodka.
>>16586248Generally when trying to qualify anything in the USSR you need to take into account that you're dealing with a roughly 70 year period that was subject to a lot of change and a massive area that was very varied. The importance of a town for instance would affect how nice it was, Pripyat being a town for housing nuclear powerplant workers, was rather well funded. Timewise, the 20s were grim but with genuine optimism and trying a lot of actually progressive ideas mixed in with the horror, 30-40s were the Stalinist horror show featuring famines and WW2, 50s were taking a turn for the better, 60s were nice and generally considered the golden age for the USSR, 70s were decent as well but saw the start of the stagnation that hit the 80s hard and ultimately destroyed the USSR. Throughout all it's history, though the USSR was still subject to regular scarcities. So while things look nice in the picture and probably really was, it was the sort of nice where you'd quit work early to go stand in line because the toilet paper that wasn't basically sandpaper was available in one specific store, because it might be your only chance to secure that sort of luxury that year.Another thing to take into account relating to the change through the decades is also inconsistant policy. For instance a controversial topic today due to the war in Ukraine is the place of minority languages in Soviet constitution, sometimes being protected with higher education made available in that language, sometimes being subject to hard Russofication and genocide.The USSR was far from consistent.tl;dr: Yeah it looked like that.
>>16597200you really don't thoughever, most high density residential zones have their own groceries, pubs, schools, pharmacies, doctors' offices and culture houses, several of these, mind you, meaning that no resident has to walk more than 15 minutes to any of these, I don't see why you would lie about these things with such vigorpic very much related
No one is gonna give you jobless losers free shit. Communism fucking failed by under a pile of bodies that makes Hitler look like an amatuer everytime it has ever been tried. It's time to grow up and put away childish things Gommunism isn't gonna happen. Stop trying to make it happen.
>>16597313>most high density residential zones have their own groceries, pubs, schools, pharmacies, doctors' offices and culture houses, several of these, mind you, meaning that no resident has to walk more than 15 minutes to any of these, I don't see why you would lie about these things with such vigorBecause Russian ones don't, that's literally the main complaint about newbuild commieplanning, not the architecture itself.Your pic is very uninteresting.
>>16597994Hitler killed some 10 million people if you don't count the other 12 million Allied military deaths. You could lay the Axis dead at his feet too because he started it so that's another 6.5 million. Stalins internal repression killed less than a million unless you include the Holodomor as a deliberate genocide, which only bumps it up by five mil and the only commie leader who topped that was Mao. So no, Hitler definitely killed more than Stalin.
>>16596003Not a commie, dipshit.
>>16596017>What a retarded thing to say considering American democracy has been constantly reformed since then to acknowledge the oppression of minorities because the system was at fault for doing that.The Medals of Honor they gave out for dudes chasing and shooting fleeing children at Wounded Knee haven't been retracted. Not that I'm disagreeing with you, mind.
>>16586327you had to know shopkeepers to set items aside for you if you wanted clothes because of how infrequently they got stock. lmao
>>16597994Anon commieboos are indistinguishable from cultists. They are completely inoculated from logic and reason, trying to get one of these people to admit any fault in their ideology is a fools errand, like trying to convince an Al-Qaeda member to abandon Islam.
>>16589273I knew a Russian couple and they said that when they were kids, they had a shitty apartment and shitty clothes, but they had sailing lessons in school. Like on sailboats. They said that's what it was like under communism.
>>16596567Fall/Winter lasts 9 months.
