Why is he portrayed in popular media as having been Asiatic when he was Hungarian?
>why portrayed as X when X?
>>16594275Huns are Turkics
Jesus this place is just a digital special ed day care for tards that deliberately misunderstand wikipedia articles to get attention
>>16594275>>16594291We know literally zero about Huns' ethnicity. It's a complete conjecture to which modern ethnicity were they related, if to any at all.What we know for sure is that they ruled over a heterogeneous tribal confederacy that included among subject peoples Germanics, Iranians and Slavs.
>>16594275>HungarianThere were no Hungarians. He was from Ungarariki. He may have been a Huna, but he had Gothic wives and his name is Gothic for "little father".
>>16594322We know they speak Turkic, have Turkic names, write in Turkic rune and come as steppe horse riding conqueror from central Asia
>>16594334>write in Turkic runeThey lifted their shit straight off of the Germans.
>>16594304>deliberately
>>16594334>We know they speak TurkicThat's total BS. There's zero evidence of Huns speaking Turkic.There are only two words we know that are supposedly "Hunnish". And they are in fact actually reliably Slavic - "strava" and "medos". And this is not a reason to believe that Huns were Slavs, only that the informer of the Roman chronicler was a Slav who served at Attila's court.> have Turkic namesI have seen people making convincing Germanic, Slavic and Turkic etymologies for Hunnic names. Besides, names are not an indication of ethnicity. My own name is Latin in origin and I am not Romance speaker.> write in Turkic runeComplete BS. There's no evidence of Turkic runes even existing before 7th century.> come as steppe horse riding conqueror from central AsiaLike Iranians for example?
>>16594354>And they are in fact actually reliably Slavic - "strava" and "medos"Holy KEK Where did you get this from??
>>16594358Jordanes, who quotes some earlier writer.
>>16594354To reiterate. There's fucking ZERO evidence what ethnicity Huns were and if they were related to any ethnicity existing today. Everything people (mostly non-historians) write today about them being Turkic/Iranian/Hungarian/whatever is total BS made up for nationalistic reasons and repeated in the vein of "everyone know that"
>Most of the ancient descriptions of the Huns stress their strange appearance from a Roman perspective. These descriptions typically caricature the Huns as monsters.[37] Jordanes stresses that the Huns were short of stature, had tanned skin and round and shapeless heads.[38] Various writers mention that the Huns had small eyes and flat noses.[39] The Roman writer Priscus gives the following eyewitness description of Attila: "Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin."[40]
>>16594392>romans who were butthurt make their enemies look bad>meanwhile they wrote of theodoric, the guy who's kin would eventually sack rome, in a positive lightIt's safe to say you can take the accounts of Shitalians with a large rock of salt.
>>16594392I think about that theory that the Huns are the descendants of the Xiongnu that the Chinese had trouble with. Those were a steppe people who vanished into the west around 00sBC.
>>16594368Show it?
>>16594275he's a Tartar, mostly white with some Asian women in there
>>16594275Overall context, modern scholarship generally agrees that they came from somewhere east of the Volga, likely Central Asia, where people even back then had substantial Mongoloid-type East Eurasian admixture, some go as far as to say there's a link between the Huns and the older Xiongnu (also identified as the Huņa in some sources), so according to this theory Huns would have been an offshot of some of the remaining peoples of the Xiongnu confederation that had migrated westwards right into Iranic territories, before suddenly arriving in Europe in the late 4th century CE.Then you have sparse linguistic evidence, mostly proper names, which etymologists have often assigned to Turkic (or broadly "eastern" languages). Indeed, even "Atilla" (after Huns were fully established in Europe and in contact with Germanic tribes) has been proposed to have had either Germanic or Turkic roots, the latter of which is favoured by Hyun Jin Kim, who also mentions some material culture similarity between the Huns and the Xiongnu, like their respective bronze cauldrons. Lastly, various writers described the Huns as: >>16594392>short of stature, had tanned skin>Huns had small eyes and flat noses.>short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin (...); and he had a flat nose and tanned skinWhich sounds exactly like how a generic Caucasoid would describe a stereotypical Mongoloid physical appearance. Nevertheless, it's actually very unlikely Atilla and the European Huns were Mongol-like, but knowing how potent and dominant the alpha Mongoloid morphology is, you don't need to be overwhelmingly East Eurasian to look like one.>tl;drAtilla, the man who stroke terror into the hearts of Europeans, most likely didn't look like Gerard Butler, but like Tenda "EurasianTiger" Spencer.
>>16594368>quotes some earlier writer.namely priskos the rhetor, who was a member of an embassy to attila.
https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_CrUdgzSICxcC/mode/1up?view=theaterThe world of the hunsGood read, its a bit dated (60s iirc) but has lotsa sources and i learned some thangs, kangz
>>16594344https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Turkic_script
>>16594275It's all based on a single description calling him short with dark hair. That could be a Hungarian also, not really proof of anything.Cucking We Wuzers of course all want to claim him, We Wuzers love claiming to be the losers of history.>>16594322We know their genetics. They had Western paternal haplogroups and about 50% Easter maternal haplogroups.They were hapas.
>>16595998True, by why not post WMAF couples which is what the Xiongnu and Huns actually were, White men who fucked Han princesses then became short happas;>According to Rogers & Kaestle (2022), roughly 47% of Xiongnu period remains belonged to paternal haplogroups associated with modern West Eurasians, while the rest (53%) belonged to East Asian haplogroups. They observed that this contrasts strongly with the preceding Slab Grave period, which was dominated by East Asian patrilineages. They suggest that this may reflect an aggressive expansion of people with West Eurasian paternal haplogroups, or perhaps the practice of marriage alliances or cultural networks favoring people with Western patrilines.[250]
>>16594291>Huns are TurkicsClose. Hunnic is a fraternal branch to Turkic. They both descend from a common ancestor but are not the same.>>16594322We literally have Hun DNA samples that clearly point to the Eastern Steppe as the source, same as Turkic. Of course it is well recorded that they decimated Alans and Goths on their way to Europe. >>16594344Completely different writing systems and sound values.
>>16596473Nah, they were majoritu West Eurasians especially the only elite samples so far are Western:>Gnecchi-Ruscone et al. 2021 analyzed the remains of two elite 4th century Huns from Kazakhstan and Hungary. Their paternal haplogroups were assigned to R1a-Z94 and R1a-Z645The biggest haplogroup in them is R1a-Z93 probably brought East by Sintasha. The next biggest group is from ANE derived turko-Siberians and the rest are Germanic.
>>16595073By asian you mean han migration, which didn't light off until the medieval period.>>16594368He never said that.>>16596473>Completely different writing systemsThere is less deviation by between Orkhon and Norse than Latin and Phoenician by six orders of magnitude.
>>16594334Atilla is a Germanic name
>>16594275He was Serbian
>>16596765>migrationIf by that you mean Heqin tribute payments of Han women to Steppe warlords, sure.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heqin
>>16596796Exactly. Millions will seethe however.>>16596919I mean that the Chinese population boom doesn't occur until the 16th century.
>>16596765>There is less deviation by between Orkhon and Norse than Latin and Phoenician by six orders of magnitude.Proto-Latin script look far more like ruins and was even written in the same way.The entire "Phoenician alphabet" (actually just based off of some Latin alphabet carvings that they found in Sardinia and assumed to Carthiginian) is complete bullshit and requires some extreme mental gymnastics to say that proto-European like Vinca symbols (which also look like ruins) predating even Sumer, then no one used anything except Cuneiform, then Phoenicians evolved their Cuneiform back into something that looks like early European scripts. Then Greeks wrote down the first alphabet, not from local script symbols that existed in Greece since 6000 BC, but from Phoenicians who must have evolved identitical symbols out of Cuneiform(?).It's all horseshit and extremely disappointing that historians refuse to do a proper investigation of the origin of our script.
>>16595998>but knowing how potent and dominant the alpha Mongoloid morphology is, you don't need to be overwhelmingly East Eurasian to look like one.Something tells me this guy masturbate to WMAF porn in secret
>>16596796>>16596935There is zero proof that Attila is a Germanic name.
>>16597007For the longest time and especially in the 2000s nationalist East Asian historians tried to push the narrative that Huns were not just another steppe barbarian tribe, but an ultra technologically advanced civilization spreading everywhere.Then gene tests came out and these "advanced" turned out to be White men who killed local East Asian men and fucked their women. Now they have to undo decades' worth of shilling and some dumbfuck Chinks on /r/asianmasculinity didn't get the memo from the CCP yet.Hilarious.
>>16597157>atta = Gothic for 'father'>la = Gothic for 'little', resembling -ula from Lt.
>>16597160Post proof why this is more plausible than the Turkic etymologies or be gone.
As expected. Germoid cucks BTFO.
>>16597167Why would it be Turkic? If not Germanic it would be Finno-Ugric if anything. Your picrel is not very convincing.
>>16597167I don't know why you posted that picture. It has what, like three different versions of what the name is supposed to mean? Two of them don't even make sense from the Turkish perspective. Menander also never used the Turkish name, since he came about in the 4th century BC and Turkish in its archaic form doesn't even arrive until the 2nd century AD. Hilariously bad.Meanwhile Atta and la literally translate from the attested Gothic.
>>16597186>three different versions of what the name is supposed to mean?All are equally plausible>Two of them don't even make sense from the Turkish perspective. Cope
>>16597199Hunnic was not even a Turkic language. As far as we can tell it is much more likely to have been an Indo-European language (through CWC -> Sintasha ->Xiongnu -> Hun connection). Modern Hungarians use the name Atilla the most, so it might aldo be Finno-Ugric if not IE.Hunnic is not attested to have been spoken by Huns, but Gothic is.
>>16596765Retard. Norse is closer to Latin and Phoenician than it is to Orkhon.
>>16597224To add to the this the only 3 known Hunnic words are Indo-European:>Contemporary observers of the >European Huns, such as Priscus and the 6th century historian Jordanes, preserved three words of the language of the Huns:In the villages we were supplied with food – millet instead of corn – and medos as the natives call it. The attendants who followed us received millet and a drink of barley, which the barbarians call kamos.[12][5]>When the Huns had mourned him [Attila] with such lamentations, a strava, as they call it, was celebrated over his tomb with great revelling.[13]>The words medos, a beverage akin to mead, kamos, a barley drink, and strava, a funeral feast, are of Indo-European origin,[9] possibly Slavic, Germanic and/or Iranian.[5][14][15]
>>16597224>Hunnic is not attested to have been spoken by Huns, but Gothic is.Even IF Attila was a Gothic name it wouldn't attest that Huns spoke Gothic. My name is Greek and I don't speak fucking Greek.
>>16594275it's almoast as if the huns were a confederation of various steppe people and their slavic and germanic vassals.
>>16597229Nope. Six symbols in Orkhon are directly shared with Norse. Actually, Phoenician deviates the furthest.
>>16597237>>Hunnic is not attested to have been spoken by Huns, but Gothic isHe's right about this though.
>>16597267Orkhon follows a completely different line of descent than Norse. Both lie on completely different ends of the evolutionary line. They are fundamentally different. Get a grip.
>>16597274Hunnish is clearly attested by Priscus as a language that was distinct from both Gothic and Latin.>On the occasion of the banquet he [Zerco the Jester] made his appearance, and threw all except Attila into fits of unquenchable laughter by his appearance, his dress, his voice, and his words, which were a confused jumble of Latin, Hunnic, and Gothic.
>>16597287>They are fundamentally differentThen how would six times be lifted from the Norse script? That self evidently makes it linear I progression. Not even Latin has exact letters from Phoenician, they have to be manipulated to result in comparison.>Latin, Hunnic, and GothicThis isn't even an attestation.
>>16597300He mentions it as a language, but the only attested "Hunnish" vocabulary are Slavic or Gothic
>>16597314Learn English, ESL dimwit. They superficially resemble each other because they are both carved on hard surfaces. There is a completely mismatch of glyphs and sounds. Orkhon is right-to-left abugida. Norse is a left-to-right alphabet.
>>16596939Ultimately I can't agree more. I once suspected laziness, but now I think it's a concerted conscious effort to produce bad history. >>6597334Was phoneposting earlier but didn't want to neglect your posts. This was my fault, as your posts ought to be neglected.
>Orkhon is right-to-left abugida. Norse is a left-to-right alphabet.Two errors here: If you looked up the script or bothered to expand the picture above you would see that early Turkic has vowel symbols. Obviously, if you didn't know that then you don't know the first thing about what we're all talking about. You're just reacting out of hand because you despise the idea of a northern connection, despite overwhelming evidence of it. Secondly, left to right or right to left matters very little. I take it you're a semitiphile, since that's the only group that cares for the distinction since they write from right to left. Early IE writings do both. Sometimes they do both on the very same text.
Whites wuz hunz n shieeet
>>16596919>>16595073The own article you linked says it was only between royals, dumbass (one woman marrying a Chanyu), not entire populations of women marrying the Xiongnu.Secondly, the same article you linked says the Xiongnu gave Xiongnu women to Han Chinese defectors and even prisoners.Han Chinese generals Li Ling and Li Guangli both received Xiongnu princesses as wives. Han Chinese explorer Zhang Qian who was taken prisoner by Xiongnu received a Xiongnu wife.
>>16596919>>16596935>>16597955The Heqin was literally an official interstate royal marriage (with the Han dynasty giving fake princess title to a single woman who was to marry the Chanyu and lying that the woman was the emperor's daughter).If that's "paying tribute in women to steppe warlords" then Queen Victoria gave tribute payments of women to every single other European nation.There was no mass payment of women.
>>16596919>>16597955>>16598110https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heqin#XiongnuXiongnuThe Xiongnu practiced marriage alliances with Han dynasty officers and officials by marrying off daughters of the Chanyu (the Xiongnu ruler) to Han people who joined the Xiongnu and Xiongnu in Han service. The daughter of the Laoshang Chanyu (and older sister of Junchen Chanyu and Yizhixie Chanyu) was married to the Xiongnu General Zhao Xin, the Marquis of Xi who was serving the Han dynasty. The daughter of the Qiedihou Chanyu was married to the Han general Li Ling after he surrendered and defected.[11][12][13][14][15] The Yenisei Kirghiz Khagans claimed descent from Li Ling.[16][17] Another Han general who defected to the Xiongnu was Li Guangli who also married a daughter of the Hulugu Chanyu.[18] The Han diplomat Su Wu married a Xiongnu woman given by Li Ling when he was arrested and taken captive.[19] The Han explorer Zhang Qian married a Xiongnu woman and had a child with her when he was taken captive by the Xiongnu. The Emperor Wu of Han dispatched Zhang Qian to explore the Western Regions and to form an alliance with the Yuezhi people in order to combat the Xiongnu. During this time Zhang married a Xiongnu wife, who bore him a son, and gained the trust of the Xiongnu leader.[20][21][22][23][24][25][26]The Yenisei Kyrgyz khagans of the Yenisei Kyrgyz Khaganate claimed descent from the Han general Li Ling, grandson of the famous general Li Guang.[27][28][29][30] Li Ling was captured by the Xiongnu and defected in the first century BCE.[31][32] And since the Tang imperial Li family also claimed descent from Li Guang, the Kirghiz Khagan was therefore recognized as a member of the Tang imperial family. This relationship soothed the relationship when Kyrgyz khagan Are (阿熱) invaded Uyghur Khaganate and put Qasar Qaghan to the sword. The news brought to Chang'an by Kyrgyz ambassador Zhuwu Hesu (註吾合素).
>>16596919>>16598112https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heqin#Northern_and_Southern_dynastiesThe Tuoba imperial family of the Xianbei-led Northern Wei dynasty started to arrange for ethnic Han elites to marry daughters of the imperial family in the 480s.[34] More than fifty percent of Tuoba Xianbei princesses of the Northern Wei were married to southern Han men from the imperial families and aristocrats from southern China of the Southern dynasties who defected and moved north to join the Northern Wei.[35] Some exiled royalty of Han descent fled from southern China and defected to the Northern Wei. Several daughters of the Xianbei Emperor Xiaowen of Northern Wei were married to ethnic Han elites, the Liu Song royal Liu Hui 刘辉, married Princess Lanling 蘭陵公主 of the Northern Wei,[36][37][38][39][40][41][42] Princess Huayang 華陽公主 to Sima Fei 司馬朏, a descendant of Jin dynasty (266–420) royalty, Princess Jinan 濟南公主 to Lu Daoqian 盧道虔, Princess Nanyang 南阳长公主 to Xiao Baoyin 萧宝夤, a member of Southern Qi royalty.[43] Emperor Xiaozhuang of Northern Wei's sisters, the Shouyang Princess was wedded to the Liang dynasty ruler Emperor Wu of Liang's son Xiao Zong 蕭綜.[44] One of Emperor Xiaowu of Northern Wei's sister was married to Zhang Huan, an ethnic Han, according to the Book of Zhou. His name is given as Zhang Xin in the Book of Northern Qi and History of the Northern Dynasties which mention his marriage to a Xianbei princess of Wei. His personal name was changed due to a naming taboo on the emperor's name. He was the son of Zhang Qiong.[45]When the Eastern Jin dynasty ended Northern Wei received the Jin prince Sima Chuzhi (司馬楚之) as a refugee. A Northern Wei Princess married Sima Chuzhi, giving birth to Sima Jinlong. Northern Liang Xiongnu King Juqu Mujian's daughter married Sima Jinlong.[46]
>>16594275Priscus saw him with his own eyes and described him as an Asiatic steppenigger with common Mongoloid features (short, slant-eyed, thin beard, flat nose, etc.).
>>16595073>>16596321The Slab Grave Mongoloids weren't Han you dumb Carthiginian Moor rapebaby.The Xiongnu's East Eurasian Mongoloid ancestry came from the Slab Grave culture before them mixing with other groups, not from Han.Mongolia was already populated by slab grave Mongoloids preceding the Xiongnu, and the fake Han princesses consisted of FIFTEEN women for the entire history of Heqin between the Han dynasty and Xiongnu.>>16597955 >>16598110 >>16598112 >>16598117https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heqin#Han_dynasty>There were a total of fifteen instances of heqin marriage alliances during the Han dynasty.[5][3]>The Han dynasty sent random unrelated commoner women falsely labeled as "princesses" and members of the Han imperial family multiple times when they were practicing Heqin marriage alliances with the Xiongnu in order to avoid sending the emperor's daughters.[6][7][8][9][10]So 15 women (one woman married to one Chanyu) somehow spawned an entire ethnicity according to this incel here.It was one woman married to one Chanyu until he died.There was never any mass payment of women to all Xiongnu men.The Xiongnu already existed and replaced Slab grave before heqin started.The first war between the Xiongnu and China was when Qin dynasty general Meng Tian conquered the Xiongnu in the Ordos loop, defeating Touman and ethnically cleansing the Xiongnu into fleeing to the Gobi desert and Outer Mongolia.
>>16598138Did he say Asian? Post the source you mongrel.
>>16595073>>16596321>>16597158>>16596919>>16598251https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Er_Shi#Early_life>Huhai (Chinese: 胡亥) was the personal name of the Second Emperor. Its Old Chinese pronunciation has been reconstructed as Ga-gə′.[6] Although his parentage was questioned by many historians including Sima Qian,[7] they accepted Qin Er Shi as a member of the state of Qin's House of Ying. Huhai is the eighteenth son of Qin Shi Huang. As the youngest son, he was doted on by his father. It is not clear who his mother was, although most likely she was "The Hu (barbarian) princess" Hu Ji (胡姬). Although he is sometimes known as "Ying Huhai" according to the practice of modern Chinese names, the ancient custom was not to combine the names in this way: his personal name never appears in combination with Ying, Zhao, or Qin.[8][9] From an early age, Huhai was apprenticed to the minister Zhao Gao to learn Legalism, by the decree of Qin Shi Huang. There is a possibility that Hu Ji was a princess from the Greco-Bactrian Euthydemid dynasty offered to Ying Zheng as an alliance gift from neighboring Gansu in 230 BC.[10]>>16597158Again incel, you were caught lying >>16597955 >>16598110 >>16598112 >>16598117 >>16598251 Xiongnu don't have Han maternal DNA. Their Mongoloid ancestry comes from the Slab grave culture that preceded them.Han mtdna is different from Siberian mtdna despite both being East Eurasian. Their subclades are different.The basal ANE Tarim mummies had Siberian Mongoloid East Eurasian mtdna but no Han mtdna.The entire Xiongnu population formed via Slab grave culture people mixing with others.And over half of Xiongnu paternal DNA is Mongoloid.
>>16598253You're the mongrel descended from Moorish,Carthiginian and Hun rape.The Xiongnu already existed before the Han dynasty was even founded. Xiongnu already replaced Slab grave, the Chinese state of Zhao and Qin dynasty fought agianst the Xiongnu and defeated them in the Ordos loop before the Han dynasty was founded. Zhao adopted pants from Xiongnu to ride horses.Qin dynasty defeated Xiongnu and ethnically cleansed them from Ordos loop and built the first Qin great wall to block them from returning to the Ordos, before the Han dynasty.Fifteen women born in the Han dynasty centuries after Xiongnu ethnogenesis didn't create the Xiongnu ethnicity..Xiongnu also married off their own women to Han defectors and prisoners.
Haha the Chink spammer is back with his wall of cope pastes.
>>16597675There is zero evidence for a "northern connection". The scientific view on this matter is clear. They are two unrelated writing systems. You are merely a schizophrenic.
>>16598500Everything pasted >>16598251 >>16598117 >>16598112 was pasted from your link >>16596919
Meanwhile, the Mongol Nogai Khan defeated the Byzantines, marched on Constantinople and the Byzantine Emperor begged the Mamluk Sultan Baybars to ask the Mongols to stop and gave his daughter, Byzantine princess Euphrosyne Palaiologina to Nogai Khan so he would not siege Constantinople.The Ilkhanate Borjigin Mongol Abaqa Khan later took and married Byzantine Princess Maria Palaiologina from the same ruling dynasty.According to this logic, the Byzantines paid tribute in women to the Mongols and all Mongols are descended from Mongol men fucking Byzantine women.The Byzantines also gave actual daughters of the Emperor and not fake ones.
>>16594354are you that schizo who claims franks weren't germanic?
God damnit, nordicist incels are fucking embarrassing. Literally the only thing they have going for them in life is blonde hair so naturally everyone in history that ever achieved something must be Germanic.
>>16594275The huns are the peoples of Hønir,- the steppe relatives of the scandinavian Q branch.They descend from a long and complicated line of Horus, which Jesus in his studies discovered were allies with Dan and the Elohim (Elves).When Jesus saw that Israel had betrayed him and sided with Imperial Rome (Saruman siding with Mordor), he called upon the disciples to cry out for Dans help (The lost sheep of Israel/Dunedain).This eventually led to Huns (Rohan) answering the call for aid sent by Thoth-Israel of Egypt (the southernmost descendant throne of the Elohim/Elves,- Gondor)Haplogroup Q is the american haplogroup.Scandis, Huns and a few isolated mediterraneans also have Q in Europe (Which is the focus of Tolkien, Rohan representing his easternmost source aka the Huns)
>>16598764Meds won't help here, just kys
Xi-Jhee Ping Ping 天女 said that Han people were the Huns. Huns owned access to the Arctic Ocean, thus we also own access to it.
During the Han dynasty, Sima Qian wrote in the Shiji that the Xiongnu were descended from China's Xia dynasty as a means of explaining their origin.
>>16598781Are you saying that Tolkien didn't simply translate actual mythology into his made up languages for fun, and thus being right that his stories were NOT analogy?Are you accusing Tolkien, a linguist, of not knowing the meaning of "analogy"?Tolkien may have been a spineless catholic simp, but he was correct in every way when it came to depicting his languages according to the sources and would-be headcanons of the characters that he made up, like that of pre-roman british hobbits reacting to the first christian disciples and their warnings of Rome/mordor.If you aim at translating mythology and history, and telling these translations from the narrated perspective of a headcanon of the past, LOTR is as trustworthy as it gets on performing this specific task.can't expect todays spoonfed popculture retards to understand the writings of a romantic pre-television linguist.No amount of meds will fix your mind, anon. Begin by contemplating the severity of your ignorance.
>>16598815>>16598885Ok and? Genetic tests proved them wrongUnless modern Han people are unrelated to Ancient Han.
>>16599129Like the great Tsao-Ming Chin "永遠的智者" said; "事實就是事實,北冰洋通道就是北冰洋通道。"
>>16594382They were rugian.t. rugian. (for real though I'm old stock rygr)
>>16599129Read>as a means of explaining their origin.Also it implies the Xiongnu were Mongoloid phenotypically which is how Sima Qian could write this is an explanation.
Saying that Attila was Hungarian is like saying that Boudica was an Englishwoman.
>>16600064His name was Atli and european chroniclers simply couldn't get his name right due to being foreign.
>>16599129https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14895772/#q14904974https://archived.moe/his/thread/14895772/#q14904974>>14904974
