What caused the USSR to collapse?
They thought they could sit on their WW2 gains forever. The only thing they ever achieved was a good military and a space programme. The latter was indebted to the Germans and the former needs lots of money to exist
>>16746055trans rights
>>16746055Reagan's USA was very atractive to them.Also money.
>>16746055Single party states inevitably result in higher up cliques competing for power, and whenever a transition in leadership happens as one group one-ups the other, there's always a chance that the instability might tip the scales over.
>>16746055No food, no toilet paper, no possessions, no colors, big brother watching them all the time (like in dictator Xi Jinping's China)...George Orwell tried to warn the world about this in his prescient book "1984" but alas people are just beginning to wake up...
>>16746055Unironically, civilian seething at all the good shit America and its friends had that they didn’t. Really is that simple.
It was me, Barry, I COLLAPSED THE SOVIET UNION
Korenizatsiya.
>>16746230bit of an oversimplification
>>16746055Realistically, it was birthed on a violent and dictatorial foundation. Communism is an insane zero sum ideology that calls for revolutionaries to take over the state by force AND rule that state through violent means. This is how the USSR collected its various sub-soviet republics, through violent wars of conquest and totalitarian rule. During Gorbachevs modernization efforts, he tried to pretend that the Soviet Union was a legitimate state and not just a gang of party thugs and in doing so, he opened pandoras box and let the truth out. After this, he had no path other than to follow through and The Baltic states made the choice to leave after calling out that they never made the free choice to join anyway. After this the other republics did the same and the Communist Party kleptocrats freaked out. I think it was really only a matter of time before this happened after WW2. The Post WW2 order of the UN was based entirly on preventing another Hitler from emerging and setting the world on fire, and the USSR got a front row seat to this order for their conduct in the war. But this was all a cover or them since communist behaved like Hitler before Hitler was even born. They behaved like belligerent nazis on the international stage, but kept a plausibly deniable cover of being an open and democratic society, a lie they ultimately couldnt keep up
>>16746055The fact that it never managed to decently function caught up to them, meddling in other country politics while their own politics were shaky didnt help them either.
>>16746055Lack of consumer goods 60 years after the Revolution.
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>>16746766This. After WW2, despite the USSR being the global contender for global hegemon throughout the 50s and 60s, it was pretty clear after a point that they were behind the US and much of the west in many ways. Corruption and things like the bungled handling of Chernobyl really sealed the deal.
>>16746055Yeltsin went to an American supermarket, saw the high fructose corn syrup and decided that all of Russia needed to consume the goyslop.
>>16746900you mean he was hit with the harsh reality that the ussr was vastly behind the us and that it was clear to him that they would never match it and that they would lose the cold war
>>16746055I'd recommend reading Collapse of the Soviet Military, Gen. William Odom.
>>16746055>Economic stagnation>Was out competed on the oil market when oil exports where becoming increasingly integral to the Soviet economy>Afghan war was a catastrophe and a massive drain >Chernobyl was likewise a costly disaster>Leaders kept dying and couldn’t consolidate their rule >Diminishing international prestige and influence >Couldn’t keep up with Reagan’s massive build up>Internal unrest and increasing nationalism >Its economy wasn’t very efficient or agile, they stagnated in innovation and were reluctant to adopt new technologies from outside of the USSR
>>16746055wafts of decadence from the occident madmen, as in their dogmatic whim pried out the eyes of our supposed blackguard ways as custom to ancient Scythians; never seeing things as they ought to be. now the solvent meatbags who in their unwavering dogma will never realize that the rather inconvenient chain and whip of a slave driver has been replaced to the likes of a hedonistic and indebting glass cage.
>>16746198All those bread lines memes is after Gorbachev reform which really Distrupt existing socialist economy
It was really shitty, and had no reason to continue existing
This document is pretty interestinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MlMQPfoq3I
>>16746055Lack of trans goth chicks.
>>16746055They tried to establish a communist society in Afghanistan, disrespected Islamic law and Islamic tradition there. King Saud didn't like that, so he ordered OPEC to abolish the oil production caps and as a consequence of that Russia lost about 65% of its foreign currency income in the following months. That made paying for imports problematic. Spending cuts were not really an option, so the income somehow had to be increased. Five years later the Soviet Union was bankrupt, nobody agreed to loan them money anymore. The naive young liberal Gorbatchev, appointed as General Secretary because of his promise to save the economy with his liberalization magic, saved nothing and is now the most hated man in Russian history.Oh and the Americans claimed they magically destroyed the Soviet Union by giving more tax money to their arms manufacturers and by sending David Hasselhoff to the Berlin wall. Not sure how they got to that idea. Americans are retards.
>>16746055COMMUNISM IS THE WORST
>>16749127>we brought down the USSR just like the Sassanids and now Rome is nextTurdies didn't do shit besides fork over money and die en masse, the CIA was directing Afghanistan.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
>>16749127>>16749954Also it was the US who baited the Soviets into Afghanistan in the first place and they were not even trying to establish a hardline Islamic society that totally wiped out Islam. That was the approach of the Khalq wing of the PDPA (who were probably helped to power by the CIA via SAVAK who encouraged Daud to launch an absolutely retarded anti-communist purge of the Afghan military, which was the only base of support commies had there). The Soviets correctly saw that the Khalqs were psychos who were going way too far way too fast and they invaded to depose Khalq and replace them with the more moderate Parcham wing but by then it was too late.https://www.voltairenet.org/article213778.html
hardline communist society
>>16747452Meme he just allowed the populace to be able to bitch about it for once
>>16749978thisI understand and can see the validity of a "wipe system clean" methodology in cases but the strict adherence to violent overthrowing directly into eternal violent suppression is very much less "of the people for the people" and more "might makes right".
>>16746055
>Gorbachev wants to do economic reforms>the party is resistant to this idea>Gorbachev weakens the party so he can do economic reforms unhindered>surprise, the party is the only thing holding the country together so it instantly comes ungluedAnd that's pretty much it.
>>16746055The apparatchik "elites" ruling the country with special privileges and still having lower standards of living than skilled laborers in Western countries. The very few people on the highest level sure lived like kings but they couldn't rule the whole country alone and the system was too inefficient and poor to sustain even the local party cadres, let alone the whole population. So they dismantled it.It lasted for so many decades because they kept promising that they will soon "achieve communism" (aka paradise) but eventually it became obvious that they won't so the experiment was terminated.
>>16746055Larping as an empire while not maintaining any of the infrastructure... oh and massive theft of resources to afford a hedonist lifestyle on a retarded scale for the most violent and shrewd.
>>16746055Stalin killed off all those who were a threat to him (intellectuals, leaders, et cetera) and the country was left with yes men, people afraid to think, and drab vodka-drinking apparachiks. Collapse had to come it tore the guts out of the country
>>16746055GlasnostGorbachov
>>16750619>source? dude i watched death of stalin just trust me on this one
>>16746055It was a jewish ponzi scheme that ran out of money>>16749974>Also it was the US who baited the Soviets into AfghanistanHahahah, the CIA forced the Soivets to invade the middle east? How dumb can you be to believe this when they helped a communist party coup the government after they murdered the monarchy
>>16750789>jewish ponzi schemeYou mean germ*n
>>16749954>program to arm and finance the Afghan mujahideen in Afghanistan from 1979 to 199Why did they arm people that "did not do shit"?
>>16746055>What caused the USSR to collapse?Trannies.
>>16746469George Kennan, who was one of the architects of the Cold War containment policy, is an interesting guy to read:>It was no coincidence that Marxism, which had smoldered ineffectively for half a century in Western Europe, caught hold and blazed for first time in Russia. Only in this land which had never known a friendly neighbor or indeed any tolerant equilibrium of separate powers, either internal or international, could a doctrine thrive which viewed economic conflicts of society as insoluble by peaceful means. After establishment of Bolshevist regime, Marxist dogma, rendered even more truculent and intolerant by Lenin's interpretation, became a perfect vehicle for sense of insecurity with which Bolsheviks, even more than previous Russian rulers, were afflicted. In this dogma, with its basic altruism of purpose, they found justification for their instinctive fear of outside world, for the dictatorship without which they did not know how to rule, for cruelties they did not dare not to inflict, for sacrifice they felt bound to demand. In the name of Marxism they sacrificed every single ethical value in their methods and tactics. Today they cannot dispense with it. It is fig leaf of their moral and intellectual respectability. Without it they would stand before history, at best, as only the last of that long succession of cruel and wasteful Russian rulers who have relentlessly forced country on to ever new heights of military power in order to guarantee external security of their internally weak regimes.
>>16750864>This is why Soviet purposes most always be solemnly clothed in trappings of Marxism, and why no one should underrate importance of dogma in Soviet affairs. Thus Soviet leaders are driven by necessities of their own past and present position to put forward the outside world as evil, hostile and menacing, but as bearing within itself germs of creeping disease and destined to be wracked with growing internal convulsions until it is given final Coup de grace by rising power of socialism and yields to new and better world. This thesis provides justification for that increase of military and police power of Russian state, for that isolation of Russian population from outside world, and for that fluid and constant pressure to extend limits of Russian police power which are together the natural and instinctive urges of Russian rulers. Basically this is only the steady advance of uneasy Russian nationalism, a centuries old movement in which conceptions of offense and defense are inextricably confused. But in new guise of international Marxism, with its honeyed promises to a desperate and war torn outside world, it is more dangerous and insidious than ever before.[...]>I cannot attempt to suggest all answers here. But I would like to record my conviction that problem is within our power to solve--and that without recourse to any general military conflict.. And in support of this conviction there are certain observations of a more encouraging nature I should like to make:
>>16750867>(1) Soviet power, unlike that of Hitlerite Germany, is neither schematic nor adventunstic. It does not work by fixed plans. It does not take unnecessary risks. Impervious to logic of reason, and it is highly sensitive to logic of force. For this reason it can easily withdraw--and usually does when strong resistance is encountered at any point. Thus, if the adversary has sufficient force and makes clear his readiness to use it, he rarely has to do so. If situations are properly handled there need be no prestige-engaging showdowns.>(2) Gauged against Western World as a whole, Soviets are still by far the weaker force. Thus, their success will really depend on degree of cohesion, firmness and vigor which Western World can muster. And this is factor which it is within our power to influence.>(3) Success of Soviet system, as form of internal power, is not yet finally proven. It has yet to be demonstrated that it can survive supreme test of successive transfer of power from one individual or group to another. Lenin's death was first such transfer, and its effects wracked Soviet state for 15 years. After Stalin's death or retirement will be second. But even this will not be final test. Soviet internal system will now be subjected, by virtue of recent territorial expansions, to series of additional strains which once proved severe tax on Tsardom. We here are convinced that never since termination of civil war have mass of Russian people been emotionally farther removed from doctrines of Communist Party than they are today. In Russia, party has now become a great and--for the moment--highly successful apparatus of dictatorial administration, but it has ceased to be a source of emotional inspiration. Thus, internal soundness and permanence of movement need not yet be regarded as assured.
>>16750868>(4) All Soviet propaganda beyond Soviet security sphere is basically negative and destructive. It should therefore be relatively easy to combat it by any intelligent and really constructive program.
>>16750727https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_PurgeIs only one
>>16746055Socialism.
>>16750925>B-but dude that only targeted fascists and hitlerites and shietttHe’s gonna reply with one of the many copes to defend Stalin as all modern tankies do
>>16746055Russian incompetence. A better question is what caused it to last as long as it did?>>16746198Please be bait
>>16746055Failure of the war in Afghanistan leading to disgruntled civilians at home and worsened relations with OPEC, the Chernobyl debacle, Revolutions of 89, and the command economy of the Soviet Union becoming dwarfed by a huge black market due to the lack in supply of consumer goods and general incompetence of the Soviet economy.
