>>16799895>The notion of "self" must entirely be discarded, not just piggy it back on top of kandhas or some other sense.But I would not be supposing that person=khandhas=Self. I would be supposing that person=khandas≠Self. The concept of Self would be discarded and the person and the khandhas would not be the same as a Self.>Khandhas naturally rise and cease, regardless of the state of nirvana.How could the khandas rise after the death of someone who achieved Nirvana?>Even karma isn't a thing but a mental causal chain that which the brain slowly but surely stops processing on the path of nirvana.What's your definition of "thing", then?>If someone says "when you reach nirvana, the self is annihilated or something is annihilated" it is actually very much wrong. So far as we understand that annihilation means an ontological annihilation. Of there being a thing that which disappears. Suffering ceases at nirvana. When the sutta is saying this, its not saying suffering as a thing is destroyed, but rather as one of the last few important fetters of the mind changes, the functions of a mind that which cling to "things" stops trying to cling to a "things".What's the difference between "ceasing" and being destroyed? And of course that during the life of someone who achieved Nirvana their brain's changing doesn't mean the destruction of anything, but what about after their death?
>>16801889>khandhasKhandhas are just what being encompasses. Its what we are, whether we achieved nirvana or not. And as such, khandhas naturally cease to be at death. The rising of khandhas is further linked to past karma. So when a being achieves nirvana, they live out the rest of their lives, and at death, the kandhas naturally die. The difference between those reaching nirvana and not reaching is there is no linkage to the next rebirth or next rising of khandhas after nirvana.>ceasesing/destroyed/annihilationBirth = rise of khandhas -> death = cessassion of khandhas.No birth = no rising, no death = no cessassion.Khandhas cessassion/annihilation isn't part of nirvana, as khandhas ceassing is just natural death of the body for all beings. >karma thingKarma is merely referring the chain of process of uncontrolled grasping for permanence, one after another. One of the last important fetters of the mind is the grasping mind, which once you stop grasping, the process of karma is undone. Its ofcourse a very hard one to do it, so thats why its one of the last on the lists.
>>16802190>Birth = rise of khandhas -> death = cessassion of khandhas.I agree.>No birth = no risingIf there was no rising, that means that the previous cessation of the khandhas was forever.>no death = no cessassion.You can say that there is no cessation of khandhas that didn't even rose, but that's after the previous khandhas being cessated forever.>Khandhas cessassion/annihilation isn't part of nirvana, as khandhas ceassing is just natural death of the body for all beings.It is a part of any death. The difference is that Nirvana causes the cessation of the khandhas to be forever.
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