Did the ancient Greeks experience genetic overlap over time? if yes how?or were they always the same as people like lazaridis said? Were the Greeks really more "Aryan" and had some relationship with Proto-Greek? (with greater ancestry from the steppes) or simply a small group without genetic influence, meaning influenced by Greece, like today Turkey speaks Turkish and are Islamic without really being "Turks"?
>>16807232No. The always have been the same
No white people is safe from the degrading effects and consequences of muttification. The Greek Aryans mutted with Semites, hapa mutts and browns.
>>16807232>Did the ancient Greeks experience genetic overlap over time? if yes how?made a simple graph, hope you can understand it
>>16807328Fanfic
>>16807324This would imply that the Greeks were different and why don't we have a single sample of the "original Greeks"?>>16807328
>>16807232N×o2=Nordicist ideology lostGreeks were NOT recent IE arrivals in Italy and Greece, the aristocracy was NOT a cast of pure-bred original invaders keeping up purity for +1200 years- we have even aristocrat dna from Mycenaeans.
>>16807232they got "whiter" via slavs.
>>16807345If you were honest you would admit that Greek speech coincides with the addition of steppe ancestry to Greece. There is no such thing as a Greek culturally or genetically until the steppe admixture appears. There is no language continuity between the EEF Greece and IE Greece. There's a reason they don't still speak Minoan.
>>16807356then why is southern europe more brown now than ever before?
>>16807366there is no evidence of this.do you mean like, Iberia and Southern Italy have more recent MENA admixture?that's not Greece.either way theyre not more brown
>>16807371>there is no evidence of this.Other than the demographics of southern europe today. Just look at pictures of Spain if you have any doubts.
>>16807383they always looked brown though.or rather, what you* consider "brown"crazy shit happens when you go outside. you get a "tan"
>>16807387>they always looked brown though.
>>16807361>If you were honestwho is more honest, me who follows a literally almost 10 genetic studies that prove continuity, or you who prefer a 1900 fanfic?> you would admit that Greek speech coincides with the addition of steppe ancestry to Greece.Linguistics is not related to ethnogenesis. Moroccans are not Arabs because they speak Arabic>There is no such thing as a Greek culturally or genetically until the steppe admixture appears.There is genetic continuity since Neolithic Greece. the difference between Mycenaeans and Minoans was low. the Mycenaeans assimilated much of the Minoan culture and genetically was the lesser steppe. the classical Greeks were no different and the modern ones, the same thing>There is no language continuity between the EEF Greece and IE Greece. pre-Ie gods, a substratum of almost 30%, Minoan architecture, some festivals and etc.>There's a reason they don't still speak Minoan.Assimilated
>>16807395Yes
>>16807371Sicilians are more northern than all Southern Italy
>>16807366
>>16807398yeah okay, believe pic related is literally true if you want. I guess they really was all negros until the slavs made them less black over timeI suppose that means that white people are foreigners in southern europe and should gtfo since the land rightfully belongs to negros, or whoever isn't whiteright?
>>16807409what a shit image huh? I know the idiot you follow and he's more larp than the nordic ghost he beatsSo this idiot is denying that there are patterns in Sweden and Sicilian, and that the phenotype is correlated with that? these Sicilian girls don't represent a majority and these Swedish girls who look a little more southern don't represent a mass of anything.
>>16807409this picture proves that white people are indigenous africans btw
>>16807396There are no genetic studies which prove continuity. Even if average Mycenaean steppe ancestry is low, that is steppe ancestry which EEF Greeks did not have.
>>16807404idk what you even mean t b h I'm including Sicily in "Southern Italy"Sicily may have had more recent Northern Euro infusion via the Normans, also the greatest amount of recent MENA
ancient greeks+10% slav=modern greekstheyre whiter than ever nowadays
Nords coping
>>16807396I swear to God this is just some sort of bizarre trolling where the poster pretends to be a Greek larping as a Sardinian. Just take the bizarrest form of Nordicism and do the opposite>steppe migration never happened>we're still pure Anatolian Neolithic farmers
>>16807366It's not
>>16807426Even in chadcily more than 50% of children (to be clear, prebuscent) are blondish... it isn't Hard to find classes with all blonde/light brown Haired children.The idea of that southern Europeans would find "blonde girls" exotic is nordic BS.
Was there any difference in phenotypes between Greek city states? Like did Athenians, Macedonians, Spartans, etc look difference from each other or did they all look the same?
>>16807458read what I said, you idiot.you impute things to me that I never said. no one was really "100% ANF" that's impossible.
>>16807478Yes. But all farmersExamples of Ancient Greek types:MediterraneanAlpine Dinaric
>>16807485>>16807478Modern greeks
/his/>farmers were white and got raped by brown yamnaya chadsAlso /his/>greeks were brown because they were farmersI am confused
>>16807502>there is one his poster
>>16807503I just want to know the truth, who was browner, indo-europeans or famers.I assume farmers were browner
We are the same lolDNA Analysis Reveals Minoan And Mycenaean Genetic Origins The new analysis suggests that the Minoans and Mycenaeans shared a great deal of their genetic
>>16807507farmers were white wop style, olive skinpie pale, pink skin
>>16807514Except Minoans had no steppe ancestry and weren't Indo-European
>>16807502they were both tanned with dark hair. but the Yamnaya did not conquer Greece, and would more properly be people derived from the catacomb culture without genetic evidence of people of steppe ancestry in Greece, in addition to some samples in places close to caves, but some were women then...
>>16807522And neither do the Greeks. no paternal haplogroup IE eitherMycenaean elites had a ridiculous 10 or even 0 steppe ancestry
>>16807439this proves that they were actually the cline.the cline between steppe peoples and pre-Greek peoples how is that dealing? although it is true that the steppe people were quickly assimilated and did not leave many genetic marks. you need to understand that low steppe does not mean "lack of steppe presence
>>16807527>And neither do the Greeks.Take your meds>Mycenaean elites had a ridiculous 10 or even 0 steppe ancestryWhy are you immediately contradicting yourself and underestimating the steppe ancestry?Also, Macedonians had a bit more which supports the idea that the ancestry was more concentrated in the north.
>>16807537I never denied that there was EI in Greece, but as you said it was extremely low and they were assimilated, the Greeks were still essentially pre-EIDo you know how many high steppe samples we have in MLBA and EB?? literally 3 samples haha one of them is a roast by the wayThey are located in areas that are not very noble, you know? Google where the theopretra region is hahahahahaha a smelly cave hahaCry more larper
>>16807540>>16807540Elites had a literal 0% and the Greeks on average were agricultural, not IE. they had a ridiculous 15% steppe or even less
>>16807571some elites have 0% sorry*
>>16807232 I don't consider LARP to be ancient stone stackers of any flavor. It doesn't count because the Greeks were brown, despite all the memes about modern Greeks being brown because they were "raped" by the Turks, the truth is that the Greeks didn't mix with the Turks, but they mixed with the Slavs and are in its whiter state nowthe steppe peak ranges from 11~20%. If this is considered high, then some Indians are definitely Indo-European
>>16807540>>16807537The Hellenistic/Roman Greeks were, on average, similar to the Dodecanese and Cypriot Greeks.
>>16807571>>16807540>>16807232Greeks:
>>16807571Define "elite". The only sample in your pic that is 0% Yamnaya is literally a Minoan. Then you have the Palace of Nestor samples which are ~13% - ~20% which I might have assumed are southern "elites" because they're from a palace. Why does your picture contradict your post?
>>16807594good post
>>16807602Holy shit, look at those high steppe samples! Those are Corded Ware migrants
>>16807619We've already had literally 4 threads about this. they are simply mercenaries from the north.
>>16807604https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867421003706elite: minority that holds prestige and dominance over the social groupsee the article, essentially they were agricultural without much IE ancestry. some Indians and Asian people have more steppe ancestry than greeks
>>16807232The ancient Homeric Greeks are mostly European farmers, including their Y DNA. This means steppe larpers with ancient conquest fantasies are delusional when they promote their bullshit.
>>16807671The Iranians are: Neolithic Iran + Neolithic Anatolia + Steppe; the same as the Mycenaean GreeksWe are more brothers than the people of wooden houses T: persian
>>16807682stop trying to force this meme
>>16807682Nearly everyone has lived in wood+dirt housesDid you think people lived in the temples?
>>16807691haha it seems like you understood who I was talking about correct? that is good.his play on words had no effect, since obviously temples are for the elite, but just like in Persia and just like in the Italian Mediterranean (post BA) and in Greece people lived in houses made of stone and not wood, which was replaced by the people who had long hells until the beginning of the middle ages>>16807687No:)
>>16807682wooden houses disgust me so much it's surrealI don't hate the Nords, I myself am an American with a father from Denmark the Nordic bronze age was one of the richest in Europe which included the Mycenaeans had contact and influence their ships were one of the best of the time and maybe, just maybe, some Mycenaean axes were inspired by the battle ax culture, but then you look at those disgusting wooden houses>>16807671The Mycenaeans were not Iranian Neolithic.. persianflag
>>16807726>The Mycenaeans were not Iranian Neolithic.. persianflagCope Yes they were. Already the Minoans were a mix of Iran Neolithic and Anatolian.Iran Neolithic are not jeets, they mixed with native south Asians and became jeets
>>16807328Southern Europe became whiter actually
>>16807537Reminder that Mestizos are genetically closer to a Fin than a Spaniard according to genetic distance.
Isnt ANF proven to be Dzudzuana which is basically WHG + Basal
>>16807458no. The Neolithic Greeks probably spoke a Proto Indo-Anatolian language and there are many words in ancient Greek that do not have an Indo-European origin. In fact, names like Aquiles, for example, are not of IE origin.The truth is that the cultures then mixed and created what we know today as the Achaeans, Danaans and Argives
This is what actual ancient greeks looked like
>>16808420? Basal=Dzudzuana
>>16808432> Dzudzuana itself can bemodeled as a 2-way mixture of Villabruna-related ancestry and a Basal Eurasian lineage.
>>16807232They were ANF, with dark hair and eyes.>muh logkas central european steppe proto-greekz n sheitzwas a cave and plots with the modern northern Greeks, we get a preview of the classical Spartans and they are similar to the Mycenaeans.
>>16808453Good representation btw
>>16808453Anf is whg + mbuti
>>16807232Greeks have maintained a homogeneity since ancient times, though there have been migrations into Greece which changed some of the genepool. Ancient Greeks and modern Greeks maintain continuity in their neolithic ancestry (Early European Farmer) however is diluted a bit due to migrations from the North by slavs. Ancient Greeks have always been a pale to tanned, brown/black haired people with brown eyes and curly hair. There have always been some outliers who were blonde even in in the Minoan civilization (which had negligible Steppe admixture levels). People don't understand that the Greek genius took centuries to develop. The bronze age Myceneans (Homeric Greeks) had civilization for 400 years before it collapsed, and Greece lost all writing and complex civilization for the next 400 years. The archaic Greek song tradition is what kept tales from the Mycenean age alive, which would allow them to have a unifying mythology. Then it was from the Ionian (Western Anatolia) coast where Greek philosophy came from- then the Pythagoreans etc. all this came from a very imaginative people who had centuries to ponder, think, look to the stars from paradise like islands, with questions about existence itself. Just because modern Greeks aren't the geniuses who took centuries to reach the levels of thinking their ancient ancestors did, doesn't mean they don't descent from these people. Also, Christian Greeks intermarried during the occupation. Turkish rapebabies would've been assimilated into the genepool and not affected the countries genetics because Greek Christians were still reproducing at high levels.
>>16807366what is this obsessions with being '''white'''? Ancient Greeks are majority Early European Farmer, a Sardinian like people which originated in Anatolia which every modern European descends from. Have you ever been to Greece? do you know how hard the sun hits in the summer? you're deluded if you don't think people won't develop bronze tans in that climate. Curly hair, tanned skin, prominent noses, island climate, all this has been part of Hellenic living circumstances and 'muh brown, muh white' is irrelevant because all Western civilization which 'le white' people try to claim comes from Greece. Not 'brown', not 'WHYYTE' but Greek.
>>16807328It's literally the opposite. Italians and Greeks are both whiter than their ancient counterparts. The only exception are Iberians. Basques are lighter than other Iberians, so it can be interpreted that the rest used to be lighter as well.
>>16808470Was the catacomb culture the Greek (steppe) component? So is it really right that they have a 2000 year old language? some say up to 2100 which I think is an exaggeration. maybe around 1900
>>16808470>>16808461>>16808414>>16807671>>16807602>>16807571>>16807439>>16807398Sooooo genetically they were EEF/ANF? Ok the debate is over. unless they prove otherwise
>>16808479the Nordics have been losing since 2018 in fact. every year is a new genetic punch to their ideas.. their gurus are little by little becoming neutral and becoming anti-nordicist due to the shame of being associated with this easily refuted and satirized ideology.Survive the cope, Chud Pastoralist and The saami One don't larp like ancient doctors or pretend that the Roman and Greek elites were Norse. although surviving the cope did with the Romans by saying they were French misinterpreting the study on Roman genetic changes and saying they were a type of "Celtic derivation" (the most Celtic in Italy are the people of the Alps lol)They just larp like ancient Germans and are anti-Christianity. In fact, the Sami One is not anti-Christian and does not deny the importance of Christianity to that of the two German guerrillas who will invade Wessex.Genos is very neutral. The only Nordic guru that the Nordicists have on their list who distorts history to favor themselves is Varg and he is not taken seriously by anyone other than the metalheads of southern Brazil. Better examples would be Robert Sepehrs and Asha Logos, who actually pretend that everyone who ever achieved anything was blond and blue-eyed. Asha Logos being the most egregious in refusing to use sources more recent than Hans Gunther and in claiming that genetics is not a real science because it defeats his "Hellenic Norse elite" narrative.the ANF won, again.
>>16808514The STL (survive the larp) used to claim that the ancient Romans, Greeks were Norse however he just backed down in the face of the evidence destroying his little fantasy and is now dealing with it by spamming that gay little map "Germanic territories conquered by Rome vs. Romans conquered by the Germans" and their "spiritual and pure" paganism, while of course, it uses some subjective connections to plug the holes in a dead religion. This guy obviously has problems with the southern euro. Also, your yamnaya/Anglo-Saxon larp is scary
>>16808524Sorry i meant *his not *your
>>16808524Robert Sepehr and especially Asha Logos, who values his personal "spiritual connection" with Achilles over archaeological and genetic evidence that he claims has been manipulated. they represent 80% of Nordics in /his/
>>16808531>>16808524No.It's not so much that they hates us, but that he has an inferiority complex that translates into passive-aggressive behavior.some southern Europeans are like this too, but it's rarer. they know this even if they post images of some Celtic houses or hallstatt armor. I believe that these people having a large audience does more harm than good to the combined fields of genetics and history, a combination that should otherwise be promoted, because it is obvious that they are in it to satisfy their own gay fantasy rather than in search of an empirical truth.
Frescoes, murals and other works of art from antiquity clearly prove this. From the Mycenaeans and Minoans, to the Byzantines, the Greeks were dark, more aligned with the Levantines. Even the Persians were paler. Macedonian soldiers often insulted Persians based on their lighter skin. The Slavic migrations introduced more steppe ancestors, which resulted in today's lighter-skinned modern Greeks, who are mostly descended from the ancients with 10-20% extra Slavic DNA and less Levantine ancestry.
>>16808722Furthermore, ancient people tended to consider men darker and olive-skinned, as they worked under the scorching sun, while women were paler.Steppe lost
>>16808537Note that these Norse claims only existed in a time before reliable studies and modern sciences such as DNA analysis existed to easily disprove their pseudoscientific claims. The very conflation of hair color and race, especially today with all the knowledge we have, is completely idiotic and you should laugh for believing it.The real question should be why you and others are trying to appropriate the history of the Mediterranean people. Don't you have anything that is equally impressive and inspiring?
>>16808428>no. The Neolithic Greeks probably spoke a Proto Indo-Anatolian language and there are many words in ancient Greek that do not have an Indo-European origin.Why does this read as if you don't think Anatolian is in the same language family as Indo-European? Anatolian is a branch of IE. Minoan isn't.I find it very strange how steppe denialists in these threads repeatedly insist that Greek isn't really an IE language. It's pseudoscientific twisting of the facts that no linguist would support.
>>16809037>Why does this read as if you don't think Anatolian is in the same language family as Indo-European? Anatolian is a branch of IE.Kakarotto?
>>16809073>>16809037By the way, I don't deny the "spare tire", I just pay attention to new models.PIE and PIA are sisters, but not the same families. the basis is the CLV. maybe SS
>>16808471>Basques are lighter than other Iberiansif you go by % of blond hair and blue eyes then absolutely notBasques have less steppe than other iberiansancient iberians had less steppes therefore, but modern iberians have about the same amount of steppe as the ancient italics so still pretty low
>>16809077>By the way, I don't deny the "spare tire", I just pay attention to new models.The CLV cline does not demonstrate a new linguistic model. It's a genetic model.>PIE and PIA are sisters, but not the same families.Linguistically, they are the same family. Who is saying otherwise?>the basis is the CLV. maybe SSThe CLV does not change the linguistic reality which is that Anatolian is a type of IE language. The CLV cline is an attempt to model the genetics of the speakers of IE languages.Anyway, I don't see the point in quibbling over the classification of Anatolian when Greek isn't classified as an Anatolian language to begin with.
>>16809170>The CLV cline does not demonstrate a new linguistic model. It's a genetic model.Not entirely, it's true. because it is not a linguistic article but rather a genetic one as you said. In any case, it is established that the IE and IA languages come out differently and derive from a base. and the genetic basis is the CLV, so it would make sense that a region adjacent to the cline. the article explained this, did you read it before insulting me?>Linguistically, they are the same familyThey are close families, but they no longer derive from the PIE.>Migrations to the west (3) and south (4) ca. 4400-4000 BCE split PIA into the PIE languages and PA languages>The CLV does not change the linguistic reality which is that Anatolian is a type of IE language. The CLV cline is an attempt to model the genetics of the speakers of IE languages.It changed because it was previously thought that PIE was the linguistic basis, because Yamnaya spread all non-amatolian Proto-Indo-European-Anatolian languages, Yamnaya and Anatolians both descended from CLV so I guess CLV is urheimat... or as I said, something adjacent.The ancestor of Urheimat is CLV which is divided into Anatolian and PIE (Yamnaya)
>>16809218but it does not matterthe thread is about Greek genetics, who were olive gods meditation ANF creator of civilization and beauty.. ANF is the world
>>16809218>In any case, it is established that the IE and IA languages come out differently and derive from a base.The linguistic base is still called PIE.>They are close families, but they no longer derive from the PIE.That's not what this article is about. Lazaridis did not just upend centuries of *linguistic* work.>It changed because it was previously thought that PIE was the linguistic basis,The PIE language is still thought to be the linguistic basis of Anatolian. What are you even talking about?The only thing potentially confusing may be your picture which has the languages PIA, PA, and CPIE. This is just a semantics game where the categories are relabeled. Linguists still refer to the umbrella language as PIE from which Greek and Anatolian descends
>>16807328based on feedback in this thread I have formed a new opinion
>>16808514the amount of butthurt contained in a single post, good, good let the butthurt flow through you
>>16809464Cry if you want
Bronze Age Crete was one of the first societies to develop daggers and swords. They had boars tusk helmets and huge shields and their weaponry workshops continued throughout the Minoan period.
>>16809308It was literelly opposite, germanics started dark ages. Ancient meds were more ANF and less steppe than modern meds.
>>16809656The dark ages came from Christianity which came from the Mediterranean.Southern Europe should have remained allied with the *dyḗws péḥtōr
>>16810234Fake Nordicism!All advancements originated in the south, where Steppe-ancestry had been diluted, rather than the unmixed north. The assimilated pre-Greeks gave rise to all achievements, distinguishing Greece from the rest of Europe, which remained undeveloped and uncivilized for millennia.The elite and the common people were indistinguishable. Same cranial morphology and genetic profile (elite samples from Palace of Nestor)However, for the sake of argument, let’s assume they were; what did the rest of Europe’s dormant “blonde, blue-eyed” people do for millennia?You lost, again.
>>16810234One more thingWho were the ”real Hellenes”? The proto-Greeks directly descendants of Yamnaya or the Mycenaean derived Ionians, the ones who created these statues and had a diluted Steppe ancestry of ≈10%? Owo! Very aryan n shiet isn't? Barbarian.Hundreds of samples of both Mycenaeans/Ionians and Yamnaya, not a single Nordid;) cope
>>16810245>>16810255Why are you so angry?
>>16810234You will probably have to go back to proto-Graeco-Armenians to find Nordics.
>>16810259The difference is you’ve convinced yourself outdated and unscientific theories to be correct when all sciences firmly disprove the presence of Nordic phenos anywhere near GreeceShitty way your theories.. why do nords are such larpers as the bronx kangz? Leave me people ALONE
>>16810262>more crying Dude?! I m not even the guy who you are fighting lol just calm down bro You looks like a woman
Its a classic case of the ruling elite being the tall, hansom, intelligent, godly people who ruled over the browner, shorter, dumber people.
>>16810265>>16810264>>16810234Sameflaging? You always lost LOLOL
>>16810234Why did you trigger his autism like this: >>16810245We are steppe friends and med pals in this thread. See right here: >>16807602 (steppe friends fighting alongside meds)
>>16810271
>>16810272no? Europe was barbaric compared to the Mycenaean and classical Greeks.such samples were literal foreigners who did not represent even a significant portion of any army.
>>16810278Kek, you are a clown, the mirror image of a Nordicist
>>16810265>>16810234To remember;All societies exchanged knowledge throughout history. As far as I’m concerned, Western civilization wasn’t simply copied; it was born in Greece. There’s also the sheer number of new and distinct innovations, concepts, and ideas that originated there independently from others
>>16810260other words, pre-1700BC. Do you equate Mycenaeans to proto-Greeks, you buffoon?
>>16810234The ''cypriots'' on the right are lebanese maronites and not actual greek cypriots my shitskin friend
>>16810234The proto-Greek urheimat was in northern Greek. Waves of Greeks just migrated to the south and assimilated pre-Greeks which birthed the Mycenaean civilization. Literally Logkas + Minoan.He doesn’t claim proto-Greek originated in southern Greece.Basically;>found a neolithic warrior culture with bronze smithing technology>get BTFO>Greece has farmland and living space, decide to settle instead of ooga boogaing like niggers>marry into neolithic settlements and assimilate>so much so that during the EARLY Mycenean age steppe admixture averaged 15% in Greeks, the early Mycenean settlements were neolithic in origin (see the griffin warrior, ancestor of Nestor of Pylos that had literally 0% steppe)>Myceneans, who have 15% steppe, basically copy pasted all their art and culture from the Minoans, a neolithic people- Mycenean linear B being based on the undeciphered linear A>Higher steppe Greeks from the north were seen as rural peasants and ooga boogas, expanded south when EEF heavy Myceneans had already collapsed
>>16810324>He doesn't claimWho doesn't?
>>16810336I'm sorry. I wrote it with my ass.. I meant that instead of he i meant them*
>>16810255AtDNA is irrelevant since a distinct autosomal profile is to be expected given the variability in EHG. That’d be like saying BA Cretans were 0% Minoan derived because they weren’t Minoans-like autosomally…The origin of Steppe in Mycenaeans and Logkas is the same; the Steppes.
>>16810260Explain how this is strawman. Graeco-Albanian and Graeco-Armenian are not a thing because Albanian and Armenian are half-satemised, and branched from PIE later.The range you give is not on when Graeco-Phrygian split but when they arrived in their urheimat.
>>16810324Not much actually You probably cant even tell why logkas or skourtanioti 2023 samples don't work for mycenaeans lol
>>16810324>>16810245BasedAthenians used to boast of their local Pelasgian origin ANF wons, again
>>16810364>>16810354? Not only is Logkas too south for Armenochori, and within the proto-Greek urheimat, but even Theopetra in Thessaly is within this area and clusters with Logkas
>>16810234Embarassing.
>>16810265Embarassing headcanon and proven fake and gay. Nordchimps are the antithesis of civilization in the ancient world. Pasty skin and yellow hair doesn't make you important or better, monkey.
>>16810265t. gay BAPtard
>>16810734they look white to me but whatever
>>16810740>you are this gay jew from twittertake your meds schizo
>>16810744Are you an American? What the fuck does white even mean, here we're discussing whether the ancient Hellenes were southern European or northern European like. And it is obvious as per genetics, descriptions, and art that they were a southern European people. The women look southern European and the men look like southern european men. They weren't some asiatic mystery meat chinky rape baby pig nosed nords.
>>16810753I said a bap follower, not him you stupid retard
>>16810759its like 300 miles from north to south europe but you retards are convinced that the brown mutts living there today constitute a unique race which as existed for thousands of yearsnow only are you wrong, you might also be retarded and have no common sense
>>16810772You are literally a fucking retard. Where is your proof of this? The evidence? No one is saying the Greeks stayed the same you filthy pasty monkey, they got slav'ed in the middle ages and the neolithic (EEF) ancestry was diluted and they gained steppe admixture. What were filthy pasty pig faced nords doing? Or would do for the next 2000 years? Oh yeah, fucking nothing. Back to your pol echo chamber, chink mongrel.
>>16810782yeah okay rabbitake your pills before you have a stroke
>>16810808None of those people in the Pek'kin cave samples had Andronovo or steppe ancestry.It's true ghe Peki'in cave samples overwhelmingly had blue eyes, but "57% of its ancestry from groups related to those of the local Levant Neolithic, ~26% from groups related to those of the Anatolian Neolithic, and ~17% from groups related to those of the Iran Chalcolithic." They had no steppe admixture and did not cluster near Europeans on PCA autosomal DNA plots. They were also overwhelmingly T-CTS2214, which is weird
>>16810234someone spent time making that img
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