Why don't people talk about Jesus' grandpa?
>>16807487Everyone does, and He's an extremely popular topic on this very board. You must be new here.
I think the intention was that he was the father, not the grandfather. You see, there's a lot of signs which suggest that the earliest Christians thought Jesus and Yahweh were the same thing (not in a father-son relationship). "The Father" was not actually Yahweh. I think some people may dismiss this because Jesus=Yahweh looks like an early component of Trinitarianism, which would be anachronistic, but it actually has nothing to do with it.And then we have the problem of Yahweh obviously not being a historical character. What does that mean for Jesus? He was fan fiction about an incarnation of Yahweh, not a historical person.
>>16807588So you’re saying Jesus is a Nehushtan Yahweh created to accomplish his plans?
>>16807487>t. never read the NTElohim is (are?) mentioned there.
>>16807487Jesus didn't exist.
>>16807601Elohim are the children of El, which would make YHWH Elohim
>>16807616So Elohim is (are) the Father(s)?
>>16807595No, he's just Yahweh. This background context is lost on modern readers because they don't know that pre-Christians were imagining Yahweh in various places wherever there's an anonymous "man" such as when Jacob wrestled the anonymous elohim. The later the early Christians were saying Jesus was literally in the Old Testament such as the burning bush episode. Moses was talking to Jesus according to early Christians. Some early Christians also rewrote the Old Testament to say Christ wherever it said Yahweh.
>>16807646The basic idea is "Jesus is Lord" (Jesus is Yahweh). "Lord" means Yahweh.The notion that Jesus is the "firstborn son of God" comes directly from Gen 1:26-27. You have to understand that pre-Christian jews were reading those verses as if they were about Yahweh, because after they establish that some "man" was made in the image and likeness of God, they noticed that Yahweh was introduced in Gen 2. So they thought an anonymous divine man was made in Gen 1:26-27 who was then called Yahweh in Gen 2 and proceeded to make the first humans from dirt (unlike Yahweh who was made of divine substance).Yahweh walks the garden around like a regular Joe in Genesis. He was imagined as an incarnated god with finite knowledge and power from the very beginning. Then we have encounters with various anonymous divine "men" in Genesis such as the elohim who wrestled Jacob. These were often interpreted as Yahweh in disguise.This is why early Christians kept talking about Christ in the Old Testament as if Jesus was a character in jewish literature from the very beginning. Well, technically he was, just by a different name. They reinforced this idea with a system of abbreviations called nomina sacra.Lord God, (κύριος ό θεός) was sometimes abbreviated ΚΣ ΘΣ or ΚϹ ΘϹChrist Jesus (Χριστός Ιησούς) ΧΣ ΙΣ or ΧϹ ΙϹ.And an alternative spelling of κύριος: χύριος so that ΧΣ literally meant Christ and Lord simultaneously, hence "Jesus is Lord"
>>16807668Just to clarify, actual early Christian Bible manuscripts use the abbreviations in the picture. They do not spell out κύριος or Χρίστος in full. In this way, some early Christians sneakily inserted Christ into the Old Testament by using the abbreviation ΧΣ wherever the text said κύριος or Yahweh.
>>16807609he did, cry about it
