Modern west Sicilians are about 35% levantine and 15% greek, while east Sicilians are 20% levantine and 40% greek. This correlates well with the Phoenician and Greek colonies
>>16808913What about central Sicilians
>>16808916Probably mix of both + more sardinian-like shifted
>>16808916100% Agarthan hyperboreans
>>16808913elymians were trojans btw
>>16808913It's got little to do with either of those. Greek samples and Phoenician samples from Sicily are usually more "Western" shifted than modern Sicilians. So the source of the Eastern Med admixture in modern Sicilians must be another
>>16808913>>16809217For the record modern Sicilians would cluster above Greece BA in this PCA, so they'd have both higer Yamnaya and higher Eastern admixture than these Punic Sicilians
>>16809217>>16809227Post vahaduo distances of those sicilian phoenicians
>>16809242It was presented over a year ago, just wait some months or years, there's also another time with similar samples which was presented at a conference almost 3 years ago, just wait
>>16809217>GreekYes Himera samples are more western because they are dorian, but there are were later ionian migrants who were more eastern shifted>Phoenician samples from Sicily are usually more "Western" shifted than modern SiciliansVery doubtful. Phoenicians from lebanon are heavily eastern
>>16809263>Very doubtful. Phoenicians from lebanon are heavily eastern So? Phoenicians from Sicily clearly aren't as you can see in the preliminary PCAs and on the talks given at the conference about said studies>Ionian Ionian Greeks from Spain are no different from Mycenaeans, Western shifted, and Himera was founded by the inhabitants of Zancle, before Zancle got conquered by Dorians, the original settlers of Messenia who founded Himera were Ionian themselves
>>16808913>15% greek>40% greekmost of this greek is anatolian greek, that is mostly bronze anatolian, a MENA component not too dissimilar from levantine admixture>>16809217he's considering anatolian "greeks", that were half bronze age anatolian, actual full greeks from greece
>>16809288>Phoenicians from Sicily clearly aren't as you can see in the preliminary PCAs and on the talks given at the conference about said studiesThose are clearly mixed with italics then, original phoenicians were semites>from SpainDorian or unmixed ionian outlier>the original settlers of Messenia who founded Himera were Ionian themselvesThey were Chalcidians from central greece
>>16809350>most of this greek is anatolian greekYes and they migrated to greek colonies rather than phoenician ones, since we see than west sicilians are significantly more semitic>full greeks from greece80% pelasgian actually
>>16809354A Dorian from Spain? Empurires was a Ionian Asiatic colony, buddy>Phoenicians Already absorbed by the Sicels genetically, so they can’t be the ancestors of modern Sicilians, if most inhabitants of their colonies in 500 bc had already next to none of their DNA, the source is the great slave shift in hellenistic-roman times, which explains both the high IA Anatolian and higher Yamnaya in South Italians in general. Gaulish slaves + Anatolian slaves + some minor Italic maybe
>>16809380>A Dorian from Spain?Yes, there were 1-2 individuals if I remember correctly, they can be anyone>Already absorbed by the Sicels geneticallyWest sicilians were elymians, not sicels. Modern west sicilians are x2 more levantine than anatolian, unlike east sicilians>most inhabitants of their colonies in 500 bc had already next to none of their DNAI'm waiting for vahaduo>higher Yamnaya in South ItaliansDue to normans and germanics. Most slaves were greeks, due to their education they also became freedmen more often than others. Gaulish slaves were a small minority
>>16809370>80% pelasgian actuallydon't start with your semantics game bs, modern sicilains don't have much bronze age greek admixture, they have anatolian greek admixture that was more than half bronze age anatolian, a MENA component similar to levantines, hence why despite east sicilians scoring less levantine are still almost identical to west sicilians, because bronze age anatolian is similar to levantine
>>16809533I just found a correlation in Italy between levantine_BA dna and Phoenician colonies, and between mixed mycenaean/anatolian_BA dna and Greek colonies. It is interesting. Vahaduo clearly distinguishes between them
>>16809555no one cares and it has nothing to do with greek colonies, the greek colonies as we're seen with the himera and iberian samples were created by actual greeks from mainland greece, the anatolian_ba/levantine_ba ancestry is from the imperial roman period
notice how only southern "Europeans" wear cross necklaces since they don't want to be mistaken for mudslimes.
>>16809433No, due to Galish slaves. They already had high Yamna in the EMA as the Venosa sanples proveVahaduo or not the PCA is clearEmpuries? Ionian.
>>16809555There’s not any. Most Phoenician colonies were in Sardinia and they had little Levant DNA if any. Punic Sicilians further prove this, the genetic impact left by Phoenician was very little, if they brought any genetic admixture it was N. Africans because Carthaginians were half African themselves and brought loads of Punic mercenaries and slave farmers
