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Is this a case of communism being bad or russians (and their central asian mongrel pets) being bad? or is it a bit of both?
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>>16855123
Their population got too educated to support communism, to make communism work you need thousands of years of anti free thought conditioning or just a low iq population
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>>16855123
>highly centralized empire
>starving colonial conquests
>revolution happens
>does not dissolve highly centralized state
>highly centralized soviet
>starving colonial conquests
logistically the whole country is just not the best idea
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>>16855123

Communist nations werent able to trade and bring wealth in from capitolist nations. Sanctions crippled the USSR. Thats why the boomers in office like sanctioning Russia so much and talk about sanctioning everyone they dislike.

The USSR built so many things in such mass quantities you can still buy things from the USSR that just came out of the crate for pretty cheap. All these items and nobody to buy them because nobody from the west wanted to buy from the USSR. East germany had made many very sturdy tools that actually had english text on them "Made in DDR" "Made in Germany" but no western country would let these items be sold.

Who knows if it couldve worked.
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>>16855330
>NOOO OUR ENEMIES DIDN'T TRADE WITH US
that makes communism sounds bad
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>>16855330
You’re simply not entitled to orher peoples’ markets
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>>16855123
CENTRALISATION DOES NOT WORK.
Especially for an entity this big.
Empire fell because of it.
Soviet Union fell because of it.
Federation is strugling in Ukrane because of it.
You cant just leech the country this size towards 2 cities and expect development.
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>>16855330
But they had no problems trading with Nazis before OP barbarosa? Curious that.
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>>16855463
You are not entitled to the ‘cheap labor’ of foreigners
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>>16856152
If you arent a shithole, the cheap labour comes by themselves, sometimes to the point of needing to refuse their arrivals.
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>>16855123
>Retardedly de-stalinized early
>Retardedly alienated China, who could have been their number one consumer base
>retardedly got caught in conflicts all over the 3rd world
>retardedly Fell for afgainistan debacle
>retardedly Sided with India over China
Should be pointed out that while there was a couple important communist geopolitical wins (Cuba , Vietnam, North Korea) most communist rabble rousing in Africa and Latam was a giant waste of money.
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>>16855123
Russians are the opposite of the hand of midas; anything they touch rots or rusts away.
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Now as for being the reason for the collapse it's too simplistic and absolutely not a major factor by any stretch. In fact there was no one thing that brought down the USSR, it was a multitude, all amplifying each other.
The dismantling (not collapse like a natural chaotic occurrence) was a deliberate thing. Part of it was infiltration of enemy agents into the highest echelons of power. Part of it was some of the nomenklatura losing their shame and deciding they wanted the same opulence as their western counterparts. Part of it was a culture of nepotism, bribes and embezzlement that trickled down to all rungs of society where it became standard procedure to both steal and slack off at work. Part of it was the increasingly geriatric top cadres becoming increasingly reluctant to take charge of anything, letting things just sort of drift along which among other things meant inefficiencies were not addressed, needless spending was not curtailed for fear of conflict and stepping on toes. The burgeoning bourgeoisie did what actual bourgeoisie always do when they decide to raid public coffers - defund a public service, cry that it's inefficient, privatise (to themselves and their buddies). By the very end when things started to completely go to shit contemporaries testified that an artificial goods crisis was manufactured that led to the famous endless shopping lines, deficits of all goods and eventually protests.
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There are plenty of interviews with witnesses who claim that massive shipments were halted, perishable goods destroyed or left to rot. In Moscow students were called upon to help unload the cargo trains waiting at the logistics hubs, when the volunteers arrived they were dispersed under threat of violence and prevented from unloading the trains. Fully loaded ships sat in ports, prevented by the relevant authorities from being unloaded. In addition you had nationalists stirring the pot and even starting a war in the Caucasus. The Leningrad law faculty group (where, among others, Putin comes from) that was one of the main consultative authorities on drafting new laws managed to convince the government to restore capitalist relation, piece by small piece in order to upend communist rule. Of course it didn't help that Gorbachev was a sycophant West fanboi who had no ideas of his own and just listened to what his self-serving advisors and ministers told him to do. You might be surprised to know that unlike his contemporaries he came into the narrow upper circle not due to administrative prowess or military accolades but because he was originally in charge of the elite retreat for high party functionaries where he managed to win their confidence via his exceptional tending to their needs for relaxation. Under the auspices of his main strategist and suspected US agent Yakovlev a deliberate campaign of discrediting the Soviet system was launched: "hit at Marxism-Leninism with Lenin (back to the roots, invoking some mythical purity), hit at Leninism with Plekhanov and social democracy, hit at social democracy with liberalism."
An exacerbating factor was a sort of state paternalism that the general public was accustomed to that precluded dedicated communists from mounting a resistance.
So to make it short, the USSR had a highly advanced, highly automated manufacturing and R&D base but a combination of political sabotage and political stagnation pissed it all away.
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>>16855123

it fell due to external not internal pressure
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>>16855463
This would be a more acceptable point had the west not ainvaded so many countries over this exact issue.



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