how did they manage?!>muh persia vs rome warsretard? you do know muslims were about to get wiped out by the pagan-arabs and jews in the battle/sige of the trench when the persians were besieging constantinople together with the avars and slavs?you do know that after the persians and romans ended the war the got to peace while after muhammed death muslims lost control over the entire arabian peninsula and hat to reconquer it on again?you don know that when the muslims vs rome and persia started persians had the largest army and the largest population while the romans had the most advanced army and technology?SO arguing with "muh persia vs rome" is copingbecause persia vs rome did not help the Palmyrene and the Gallic to overthrow the romans nor did it help the white huns to completely defeat the persians
>>16879442was it God?!
>>16879442>I choose to believe my fanfiction over reality
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Trench
>>16879452>The Confederates>سورة الأحزاب>﴿١٠﴾ إِذْ جَاءُوكُمْ مِنْ فَوْقِكُمْ وَمِنْ أَسْفَلَ مِنْكُمْ وَإِذْ زَاغَتِ الْأَبْصَارُ وَبَلَغَتِ الْقُلُوبُ الْحَنَاجِرَ وَتَظُنُّونَ بِاللَّهِ الظُّنُونَا>10. When they came at you, from above you, and from beneath you; and the eyes became dazed, and the hearts reached the throats, and you harbored doubts about Allah.this was the last chance for infidals to wipe out islamand you faild!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>16879472>﴿١١﴾ هُنَالِكَ ابْتُلِيَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ وَزُلْزِلُوا زِلْزَالًا شَدِيدًا>11. There and then the believers were tested, and they were shaken most severely.
>>16879442https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Antique_Little_Ice_Agehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_horse
>>16879478>not even a skirmishI think Hulagu Khan tested the believers more severely than the camel jockeys of Mekka.
>>16879442Caliphate didn't expand beyond thar desrt.
>>16879494>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Antique_Little_Ice_Agewhen it comes to numberspersians and roman almost always outnumbered the muslimsso this argument is not accurate
>>16879494>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_horsethis one is actually righti can even expand on it by the word "camel"the muslims army were highly mobile.so despite being outnumbered and outmatchedit was the mobility and the faith that won the warfor example khalids army marched from arabia and went along the iraqi rivers defeating the sassanian armies one after the other, aloth every army he meet outnumbered him, but if they were able to unite they would out number him to the point he cant win, so its better to face multipule armies that out number you 2:1 than faceing an army that outnumber you 20:1and by using the mobilty he would thining his flanks to be able to incircle the bigger army, thus much like how hanibal mange to beat the shit out of romans
>>16879503he tested spoiled generation who let shia in and shia than backstabbed and attacked from inside and opened the gatebut when he tested the mamluks who at least mange to listen to ibn taimiya and were some what jihad ready, he got fucked upalso hulaku take of baghdad was not that much dangerous as the battle of badr, battle of the trench and Ridda Warsbecause it is in these 3 opportunities that the existing of islam was in danger to get wiped out and the battle of the trench was the most dangerous of allin badir the muslims still had back up in madina and in the Ridda wars islam has spread outside of arabia, so even if the murtadien mange to defeat the first caliph and finish islam as state, it would still around some where as small religion.but in the battle of the trench all the muslims population were in this city besieged by arab-jews and arab-pagansif they would have been able to get through, than islam was done for it than and now
>>16879612The Mamluks called the Ottomans "infidels" when the latter came down to Egypt to pacify the caliphate. They weren't the brightest. Also they "won" against Hulagu's rearguard after he had pulled back most of the army.
>>16879442>>16879448>>16879452>>16879472>>16879478muslims believe in christ as word and spirit of Godbut they don't believe in him as son of Godthey only believe in him as Prophetso of course God will grant muslims who believe in Jesus the victory over the pagan arabs and late the pagan persians as well as against the jews who hate christbut when it comes to war against the christians! muslims keep losing at the end of the day
>>16879442because they used to be good tacticians
ReminderByzantines were not Romans, also they were severely weakened by the war with Persia whether you like it or not. It really was not an achievement winning against them.
>>16879662>the jews who hate christNo they don't.It's the same as Muslims. Except they believe he was a rabbi.
>>16879559>when it comes to numbers>persians and roman almost always outnumbered the muslimsSources? Btw your picure has shitty resolution.
lots of empty land
>>16879785>good tacticiansThe muslim in pic is losing the chess game!Lmao retard
>>16879442I mean honestly you only need to understand Roman history to see why the Arabs won. After they beat Persia, everything from Morocco to Afghanistan is free real estate. Conquering the Visigoths was an impressive campaign, but they were notoriously divided and weak. They were still smashed by the Franks, the first real challenge they faced since Persia. Taking Cyprus and later Crete was also impressive.If it was God, why did he force the Muslims to fight literally a thousand years of brutal holy wars before He allowed Constantinople to fall? Pretty rude of Him. >because persia vs rome did not help the Palmyrene and the Gallic to overthrow the romans This is a completely difference circumstance and I don't have the word count to explain every reason why. Suffice it to say, Rome was able to crush the Gallic empire by exploiting its division, then use the full force of the west to crush Palmyra. >>16879568TBF Persians losing while massively outnumbering the other side is something of a national pastime.
>>16879442because they were radical muslim sunnies at that time!
>>16882694>sunni jihadists even doe hamas is an iran's proxy.
>>16879442>Fight wars>Get experience>Your enemies don't have experience fighting you>You winSurely it was Yiddish god that helped them!
>>16883732>>Your enemies don't have experience fighting youArabs were fighting with Iran for 16 years.
>>16879448>Villain is coloured black on the mapWrites itself
>>16884416>Villain>>16884416>blackblack is actualy the most liked color in arabic methologymuch as white and somewhat red and greenblue and purpel would be considered "bad" colors
