Who coined the rebuttal "country X is not truly communist / is not doing Marxism the right way"?If I had to guess, it was Trotsky, in reference to Stalinist Russia, but I'd love to hear other takes
>>16887145Luxembourg coping about Leninism
>>16887147Luxemburg*
>>16887145>If anything is certain, it is that I'm not a Marxist.t. Karl Marx
>>16887145Trotsky's theory of the USSR was the "degenerated workers' state" which was bit more complicated than that. It wasn't "not true communism" as much as it was like a bureaucratically deformed or mutant version of socialism -- or a transition period between capitalism and socialism -- that was going to collapse into another socialist revolution or a capitalist counter-revolution. Stalin was seen as a Bonapartist-type leader.This allowed the Trotskyists to take a double position towards the USSR and other socialist countries. They'd say, on the one hand, it's a mutant dictatorship ruled by a bureaucratic caste that is not what we believe in, and there should be a revolution, while also saying that the Soviet Union should be defended from a capitalist counter-revolution. Yeah. So if you ever run into the rare ortho-Trot groups, their signs can be confusing because it's not simply straightforward, it'll be something like this where it's a pro-North Korean position but they don't view the North Korean government as a positive example of socialism.
>>16887145Probably either Rosa Luxemburg or Julius Martov
>>16887145Um, I'd guess people have been saying "Country X is not doing Y the right way" for as long as States have had official religions and ideologies.
>>16887458>signsThese fags prefer pamphlets now
>>16887145>Who coined the rebuttal "country X is not truly communist / is not doing Marxism the right way"?Kropotkin to Lenin: "If the present situation lasts, then the very word 'socialism' will turn into a curse."
>>16887458>as much as it was like a bureaucratically deformed or mutant version of socialismWouldn't this true near the end of the USSR?
>>16887968That's different from the usual sentence, but an interesting quote nonetheless
>>16887953>for as long as States have had official religions and ideologies.So, since the French Revolution?
>>16888327Yeah and that's one reason trots are kicking around in a lot of places where OG Stalinists died out, they got that part objectively right
>>16887145Marx himself oddly enough. He coined the phrase “barracks communism” to refer to crude, authoritarian modes of socialism where everything was determined by a central committee with no input from the people. Critics of the USSR and associated countries frequently pointed this out.>What a beautiful model of barrack-room communism! Here you have it all: communal eating, communal sleeping, assessors and offices regulating education, production, consumption, in a word, all social activity, and to crown all, ouR commJttee, anonymous and unknown to anyone, as the supreme director. This is indeed the purest anti-authoritarianism.[4]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barracks_communism
>>16888894Nvm, I failed to spot the word "religion". Then I guess it boils down to the Christian concept of heresy
>>16887145Friedrich Engels>Will it be possible for this revolution to take place in one country alone?No. By creating the world market, big industry has already brought all the peoples of the Earth, and especially the civilized peoples, into such close relation with one another that none is independent of what happens to the others.>Further, it has co-ordinated the social development of the civilized countries to such an extent that, in all of them, bourgeoisie and proletariat have become the decisive classes, and the struggle between them the great struggle of the day. It follows that the communist revolution will not merely be a national phenomenon but must take place simultaneously in all civilized countries – that is to say, at least in England, America, France, and Germany.>It will develop in each of these countries more or less rapidly, according as one country or the other has a more developed industry, greater wealth, a more significant mass of productive forces. Hence, it will go slowest and will meet most obstacles in Germany, most rapidly and with the fewest difficulties in England. It will have a powerful impact on the other countries of the world, and will radically alter the course of development which they have followed up to now, while greatly stepping up its pace.>It is a universal revolution and will, accordingly, have a universal range.
>>16888912Marx himself also thought rushitia too poor for communism and rather envisioned Britain being where the true revolution startslol
