Was it because of their Protestantism? Or their German language?
3rd Rome? So Byzantium was the 2nd Rome, but randomly got demoted by the Pope? Ouch.
>>17002317Second Rome was Theodoric's Ostrogothic Kingdom
>>17002307Perfect romaboo since 486/717/800
>>17002307It was founded by the Pope Leo III, which makes it holy. At its creation, it had Rome within its borders and King Charlemagne was even named Emperor of the Romans. Its size was considerable around the 1050's when Europe was pretty much divided, it was only with the pass of the centuries that it lost land (including Rome). So, even though its size is not comparable to the genuine Roman Empire, the Holy Roman Empire did deserve its name.The Holy Roman Empire lasted for 844 years from 962 to 1806, or 1,006 years from 800 to 1806.How many other empires and alleged empires have existed in what could be called Western Europe? Add up the total number of years they have lasted.The HRE was viciously slandered by nationalists across Central Europe in the nineteenth century, primarily because of it's internal instability from the reign of Charles V onwards, especially in the wake of the Reformation. HOWEVER in the centuries prior to this, the HRE was the hegemonic secular power in Europe, vying for ultimate hegemony at many times with the Papacy itself.Charlemagne's claim to be the successor of Rome was not entirely unreasonable given his vast empire. Just imagine if there had been a rapprochement with the Eastern Roman Empire. Perhaps 1054 would never have happened and Christendom could have been united throughout the Middle Ages.
>>17002374For all his wisdom and nation-building, Charlemagne was still a barbarian at heart, and divided his empire between his sons like a primitive Germanic chieftain of old, forever dooming Europe to endless brother wars as a result.
>>17002380Rare trvke on /ourguy/ Charlie Mane
>>17002307Dude, I only recognize Rome as being Rome. I understand the political and theological reasons they wanted to be seen as inheritors of Rome, but I also firmly reject the notion.
>>17002380>and divided his empire between his sons like a primitive Germanic chieftain of oldNo he didn't. He only had one surviving son, Louis the Pious.
>>17002474Oh so it was Louie that botched it, he was definitely not /ourguy/.
>>17002374>It was founded by the Pope Leo IIINo it wasn't.>King Charlemagne was even named Emperor of the RomansHe never called himself that. He called himself Governor of the Roman Empire. His son would call himself Emperor.>primarily because of it's internal instability from the reign of Charles V onwardsAre you just pretending like the later half of the 13th century and entire 14th century never existed?>>17002380>Charlemagne was still a barbarian at heart, and divided his empire between his sonsOnly one of his many sons inherited. It was his grandchildren, after he was dead that rebelled against the Emperor Louis and split the Empire into parts. Charlemagne's other sons which were granted kingdoms all died before Charlemagne, and the rest never got anything.
>>17002307The idea of true successors to defunct empires is pretty stupid, hell even the idea of an empire is pretty ambiguous. Do you need the same dynasty to rule? If so than Rome is actually like 80 different empires. Do you need the same governmental system? Than neither the HRE nor ERE have any claim to being a successor to Rome and even the Dominate is probably a different empire than the Principate. If one considers the HRE or ERE the Roman Empire than one should reasonably consider all of Chinese history at least until the Mongol conquest to be a single history if not until the republican era.Ultimately what's considered an empire is ambiguous, but seeing how the Holy Roman Empire and Eastern Roman Empire are almost always differentiated from the Roman Empire it's unreasonable to consider them the Roman Empire. Put simply if someone said "I'm reading about the Roman Empire" 99.999% of people would assume they mean the state that controlled central Italy from Augustus to either Romulus Augustus or Julius Nepos while the remaining 0.0001% of people are being deliberately obtuse.
• ROMA UNO (ROMA LATÍNICA): 753 B C E · 395 C E.• ROMA DOS (ROMA HELÉNICA): 395 C E · 1453 C E.• ROMA TRES (ROMA HISPÁNICA): 1252 C E · 1808 C E.NO HAY CUARTA ROMA, AÚN.
>>17002476Nope. He wanted to keep the Empire united too. But his younger sons Charles the Bald and Louis the German chimped out because they wanted their own domains.
>>17002307Because it holds zero legal continuity with Rome, and also because there was no second Rome.
>>17002894>395 C E · 1453 C E.>1252 C E · 1808 C E.Vato, I don't know if you already noticed, but those two time periods overlap.
"Second" "Third" rome was always stupid.Just something some retard nobles said.
>>17003992EXCEPT IT'S ACTUALLY KEYED WHEN PUTIN DOES ITt. vatnik who does it for free
>>17002307Why won't /his/ call it the HBE (Holy Byzantine Empire) ?
>>17002820>He called himself Governor of the Roman Empire. His son would call himself Emperor.Augustus Caesar 0.2?
>>17004874Russo-Ukrainian conflict basically modern Byzantine civil wars (not confuse with Greek unrest 1944-1948)
>>17002307The only correct option is considering the HRE Western Rome and the Byzantines Eastern Rome.
>>17005567With the west finally dying at the hands of Napoleon and the East finally dying at the hands of Mehmed.
>>17002949>reddit option zoom zoom
>>17002307I recognize it as the rightfull Rome just for the lol of it being ended by Napoleon : he was the first man to conquier Vienna, he casually endend the thousand years old Venitian Republic AND the knights of Malt aka the crusaders because why not, fucked up the carefully crafted westphalian balance because he was simply too good at war and made princes and generals shit themselves in fear by the simple new he was present on the battle field. The modern king of Sweden descend from a son of tailor he named marshal because he once banged his wife and he most of all, he single handly destroyed the empire Augustus created.WHAT.A.MAN.Hate him or love him, there is no middle way.
>>17002307>HRE>ProtestantWhy are there so many non whites on this board?
>>17002894This is the correct answer, although I'd argue Spain as the Third Rome starts after the fall of Constantinople. Meanwhile, the Spiritual Rome moves to Russia.
Because the Byzantines had a more legitimate succession? I don't agree with morons who quote Voltaire everyday but Byzantium was the Roman Empire
