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>Let people enjoy thingz

>>17005687
>you must worship the Jew and do EVERYTHING the desert manual tells you or else you will go to an invisible magical lava pit forever

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>>17005773
How many angels were at the tomb? Who went there?

>>17005767
That's nice, now refute the OP.

>>17005786
Why do we need meaning?

>>17005786
Read camus

>>17005789
No. Refute the OP. You should be able to handle such a simple premise.

>>17005687
Some people are the last man, some people are ubermensch. simple as.

>>17005788
Because without meaning, we're no different from beasts.

Explain to me why I shouldn't just rape a woman and impregnate her? And no, "the police will catch you" is not a sufficient answer. Explain to me, under your assertion that meaning isn't needed, why I shouldn't rape and impregnate a woman?

>>17005798
Maybe we are just beasts? What's wrong with that exactly?

>>17005798
>Explain to me why I shouldn't just rape a woman and impregnate her? And no, "the police will catch you" is not a sufficient answer. Explain to me, under your assertion that meaning isn't needed, why I shouldn't rape and impregnate a woman?

Your argument is already flawed because you think that someone who believes we have no meaning would not care. It devolves into kratocracy. A person who doesn't want you to rape and impregnate a woman will kill you just because he doesn't want you to. It's rule of the strong, ultimately. In a vacuum, humans, like all animals, are subject to rule of the strong. If you can rape with impunity because no one is strong enough to stop you, then maybe you deserved to rape them.

>>17005808
>you think that someone who believes we have no meaning would not care
Why would they care?

Besides jealousy of course. Why would they give a fuck? No meaning means no morality.

>>17005824
>Why would they give a fuck?
because humans are social animals and naturally care about each other
also because allowing retards like you to go around raping and killing creates a environment detrimental to the lives of people, so every one has an incentive to eliminate you( and other that try to fuck around)

>No meaning means no morality
no

>>17005910
>because humans are social animals and naturally care about each other
I thought you said there was no meaning?

How can you have collective wellbeing if meaning isn't real?

>>17005910
>because humans are social animals
Proof?in the modern world it sure dosent seem so

>>17005914
you don't need "meaning" for that, it's part of human nature

>>17005915
humans naturally form social groups

>the modern world it sure dosent seem so
because you are retarded and have no idea of what you try to talk about

>>17005915
nta but you're extremely retarded

>>17005922
>human nature
Oh? Then why do homeless people exist?

>>17005934
because they are mentally ill and/or drug addicts that don't take advantage of the help it is offered them
along side with people investing on inefficient ways of solving the problem
but that question has nothing to do with the fact that humans are a social species that naturally seek to form groups and social relation and that we need those to survive and trive
You will try to come up with some retarded gotcha, it's useless to try arguing with you as you already decide to stay firm in your retardation [spoiler]or more likely is just a troll[/spoiler]

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>>17005687
It is, but why is it on his?

>>17005953
>because they are mentally ill and/or drug addicts that don't take advantage of the help it is offered them
Ahh I see.

You're a sheltered upper middle class child who has no experience with the real world.

>And no, "the police will catch you" is not a sufficient answer.
But threat of a hypothetical punishment is literally the only "meaning " you have for not raping.

>>17005972
>>And no, "the police will catch you" is not a sufficient answer.
Is it not? What if other people, and not cops, will fuck you up for being a violent retard?

>>17005972
>>17005973
Look, everyone, 3rd worlders with a double digit IQ.

The point of that argument is that without meaning, there is no morality. You're getting hung up on a surface level knee jerk response and I specifically excluded it outright because I knew you morons would start spamming it like you'd struck gold.

>>17005985
>without meaning, there is no morality
You have weird ways to prove your point. You also give iq a bad name, you midwit.

>>17006065
Ok, if nothing means anything, then explain to me how morality works.

>>17006069
"nothing means anything" doesn't follow from "It's up to you to define your own meaning of life"
Only a hopeless midwit would consider it to suppose that such meaning is not obtainable. A fist to your face will teach you if quick once you step out of line, which it seems you simply never dared to do, you sheeple scum.

>>17006078
>"nothing means anything" doesn't follow from "It's up to you to define your own meaning of life"
Yes it does.

If I'm free to define my own meaning, that means any and all meaning is valid, which means nothing means anything. It's a very simple train of logic.

>>17005687
You only think that this type of masturbatory activity is worse than other types of masturbation, because of the heavy propaganda of prohbition. Mercifully, it is a reasonable conclusion that there is generally absolutely nothing at odds between pleasure and whatever concept of "meaning" one holds, and the advancement of technology may plausibly one day offer the possibility of chemical enhancement of the emotions without the drawbacks of poor health, or compulsive addiction.

>>17006082
>that means any and all meaning is valid
I dare you to follow that path. It seems of no use to try to explain to a midwit that the world has its meanings, and once yours are in too much disagreement with them, you are to learn them the hard way. I dare you, nigger.

>>17006089
>I dare you to follow that path.
I'm a Christian, no thanks.
>It seems of no use to try to explain to a midwit that the world has its meanings, and once yours are in too much disagreement with them, you are to learn them the hard way. I dare you, nigger.
Make your mind up. Does meaning exist or doesn't it?

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>>17006121
It does exist (the objective truth to which we can obly approximate) but you should make your own mind about what it is. But as you're mildly retarded, probably it's best to accept some relatively reasonable operational system and follow it the way you're told to follow it. And don't get me wrong, it's obly a banter, even smart people may prefer ready-made solutions: not everybody is to be a philosopher or a true scientific researcher of the world.

>>17006132
>It does exist
Ok, then we're done here. I was talking to someone who claimed meaning doesn't exist and you jumped in.

>>17005798
>and no deterrence doesn't count

>>17005786
define meaning in context of meaning of life
prove life has or requires that meaning

>>17005798
Who is to say we are not different from beasts meaning or no meaning?

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>>17006418
Not him, but that's a trick question:
meaning is the answer to the question "what is it?", but in the context of "meaning of life" people usually have in mind the answer to the question "what is if for?"
So let's answer both those questions: in the most wide sense life is being non-nul and the more of your components are non-nul, the more alive you are (it solves the lack of distinct boundary between living and non-living matter)
And as for the second question, that everybody answers for himself, but on the most basic level it's getting pleasures one way or the other (but then don't forget that the other side of that coin is avoiding sufferings, they're as vectors on the same axis, and if your pleasures give you the same or bigger ammount of sufferings, they ain't worth it)
You're welcome.

>>17006420
if you're not different from beasts, you're meant to be in a cage, for we don't tolerate your kind of a monster even in forests.

Nothing changes anyway
Only time p asses

That's just the way how it is
Someone must be thinking so

I can't not do anything for you
Heigh ho
Talking is not in my line

can't anything else
nothing
nothing else

>>17005798
>another christkek destroyed by the tight toddler paradox
many such cases

>>17006149
>anon makes claim, bails and doesn’t reply to rebuttal
>another anon joins in the monkey dance of debating for absolutely no reason
>somewhere down the line they realize they’re affirming the opposite of the claim made by original runaway anon and are thus in agreement
>they shake hands metaphorically, send hugs each other’s way, and leave
classic chan “debate”, kek

>>17005798
>without meaning why shouldn't i jump out of a window?
>and no "gravity" doesn't count
well you really stumped us. So go ahead

>>17005687
Yes; you don't have an argument against that

>>17005687
Theoretically, there would be nothing wrong with doing this. If you do this in your spare time while still being able to contribute to society, than it is fine.

In practice however, you are unlikely to do so given the additctive nature of heroin. Another problem is that hedonistically chasing pleasure usually doesn't actually lead to contentness. The first few times in the pleasure chair would be fun, but you wll get burned out quickly. You will likely come out of it as a more unhappy person and with a decreased ability to be a productive member of society.

>>17005687
Also, almost every philosophy is actually hedonistic, they just define pleasure differently. Classic hedonism claims that since there is no afterlife, earthly pleasure is as good as it ever gets so you should chase that. Religion is also hedonistic, it just claims that you will get much more pleasure in heaven than you could get on Earth, so you priority should be to work on getting there. Something like stoicism or forms of existentialism just say you shouldn't chase pleausre directly because it actually doesn't lead to feeling good, instead you should work towards goals, since that feels better than eating cake while having your dick sucked. But the goal is still just to find ways to feel better.

Even ideologies like Calvinism is hedonistic. It claims suffering is inevitable so the best you can mitigate it by coping with it by accepting God's plan.

>>17005687
This guy is a creatonist who constanrly seethes about aliens on xitter

>>17005687
And?

>>17005798
>why I shouldn't just rape a woman and impregnate her?
Because you don't want to.

>>17005687
>It's up to you to define your own meaning of life
Yes. And my meaning of life doesn't involve being strapped into a pleasure machine.
Does yours?

>>17005798
Why shouldnt we enslave people? Its accepted in the bible

>>17005798
Animals do have meaning in their lives.
Eating, surviving and reproducing.

>>17005962
I've been homeless and he's right lol.

>>17005687
In the beginning there was jews
And papa jew said: let there be jews.
And jews will return one day.

>>17005687
It's kind of weird, but you don't have to do it yourself. Live and let live. Simple as. Nigger.

>>17006946
That's like saying not wanting to suffer and wanting to enjoy things is the same as hedonism.
Which it isn't, you massive retard.

>>17007496
when does enjoyment become hedonism?
>when i say so

>>17007318
I don't trust anyone on the internet who says they were "homeless".

99% of them mean they were staying at a friends house and not actually living on the streets.

>>17007653
>when does enjoyment become hedonism?
When you can't get through the day without getting your dopamine hit from games/media/porn etc.

>>17005798
>Because without meaning, we're no different from beasts.
Ok, so? And the answer is I'll just kill you if I care

>>17007690
So if i can control the urge to do it it's not hedonism if i do it?

>>17007700
By definition you can't control the urge, and you would have no incentive to do so.

>>17007732
So drinking water is hedonism?

>>17007741
You die if you don't drink water, and water is not addictive or bad for you in any way.

>>17005798
>being beast le bad
And is this why people like you worship conformity and animalistic hierarchy just like other beasts?

>>17007801
So? Hedonism as initially defines by Epicuros was meant NOT to be addictive or bad for you

>>17007801
who's defining what's bad for me?

>>17007858
>>17007864
Is this the best you can do? Come on guys, grow up. "Teehee" point scoring shit gets no one anywhere.

Just accept the truth: Making up your own reason for living is a cope that only has one outcome, hedonism.

>>17007881
your definition of hedonism was ultimately based on your opinion about what is good and bad based on your practical knowledge of the world
You didn't read about "dopamine hits" in the bible.
That's the point that you are too retarded to understand.
If you can judge it as bad on your own then what the fuck do you need a "meaning of life" for to not do it?

>>17007881
>Come on guys, conform
>just accept what i view and believe is truth
No, i am not interested in adopting meaningless and worthless ideals for sake of souless ideotic righteousness.

>>17007881
>taking internet fights this serious
Maybe you should follow your own advice.

>>17007881
what is it you would do without a meaning of life?
>rape toddlers
frankly says more about you than us

I've come to see atheists are less than human. Total Atheist Death.

>>17007992
most loving Christian

>>17007992
Everybody knows, it's tkd, k

>>17005798
I'm not a rapist and don't want to rape or murder someone

If someone wants to rape or murder me I can just shoot them in the face

>>17005985
>that argument is that without meaning, there is no morality
Wrong

>>17008052
And what happens when you're jumped or meet a faster gun? Lots of people would try to rape and murder you, sometimes the rape comes after the murder, the only thing holding them back is the fear of god.

>>17005687
>says a retard after having posted over 9000 trillion bait threads
in reality you're the guy on your pic sitting down

>>17008090
>It's up to you to define your own meaning of life
>NO, NOT LIKE THAT!

>>17007992
Any zealot is less than human, including you.

>>17008089
>Lots of people would try to rape and murder you, sometimes the rape comes after the murder, the only thing holding them back is the fear of god.
The entire world is not America, and within 5 years of that people will get tired of mass killing and support whatever mass killer kills all the other mass killers. That is how Mao won in China.

>>17008089
>what happens when you're jumped or meet a faster gun
I get raped, duh

>the only thing holding them back is the fear of god.
What's the argument for this? Why should we think this is true

>>17008163
You're an apathetic subhuman, you don't know what it means to be human.

Killing men and hags and taking their virgin girls for your own ends is acceptable to god as seen in numbers 31

>>17008194
>unlike me who's been told be jews

>>17008208
>da joo
every atheist of influence was a jew

>>17008213
darwin was olde saxon stock

>>17008213
you only listen to the good religious ones in the bible

>the only thing holding them back is the fear of god.
I literally don't fear God. I'm indifferent to being tortured forever. I don't care.
I'm capable of anything! Nothing holds me back.

>>17008228
At least on my end God has always had my back when I ask for help and I repent when I mess up, don't see much of a reason in fearing him the way Americans do.

>>17008258
got the same experience same
allahuakbar!

>>17008258
mazel tov

>>17008258
I too have had great success in asking God for worldly favours.
Used to such at playing instruments, but then I made a deal with God where he could do whatever he wants with me after I die, in exchange for making me better with music.
Now I'm a world-class fiddler.

Bro is pushing 40 and still acts like an edgy teenager

>>17008279
owenbroadcast?

>>17005798
You should
>>17007282
We kind of do. Lots of things are built with forced labor in both the US and China. In California, wild fires can only be fought by using convicts who are barred from working as firefighters once released due to their criminal records.

>>17005687
I dislike Hedonists but Dislike Calvinists more desu.

>>17007653
>You are hedonist whenever you enjoy things
>Enjoy running? Hedonist
>Enjoy studying math? Hedonist
Words have certain meaning for a reason mr abrahamic golem

>>17008110
>Wait, you mean I am also a hypocrite?

What is the meaning of lyfe?

>>17008277
That was probably a demon

>>17008410
Hedonism is acting in a way that achieves your goals and desires

>>17005798
>And no, "the police will catch you" is not a sufficient answer
Why not?

Why do you retards on this board only ever think in extremes? Are you not capable of forming an opinion that isn't THING = GOOD, OTHER THING = BAD? I swear this is the dumbest board.

>>17008110
struck a nerve didn't I, hahaha, you're welcome!

>>17008571
>Why not?
Because this is a discussion about metaphysical will and meaning. Try to think beyond the most obvious, base level of a concept. Otherwise it's going to be a very boring board and all threads would end after someone says "But God isn't real there's no physical proof".

>>17008587
>Why do you retards on this board only ever think in extremes?
Because that's the most interesting thing to discuss.

We're not governing people, we're not elected leaders, we're not writing to inform the public. We're just a bunch of dipshits shooting the shit. We're allowed to be extremists, because we don't have to worry about anyone being hurt by our ideas in real life.

>>17005798
Because if everyone did that it would result in a lawless society where your female loved ones would be raped too. Basic morality and civilized values are fully justifiable in terms of self-interest and you don't even need to rationally justify them in the first place since humans are instinctively social unless they're autistic or sociopathic like you (it's the former btw). No need for a magic sky Jew who threatens you with lava.

>>17008587
>Why do you retards on this board only ever think in extremes?
Because this board is almost entirely Americans.

>>17005799
We're beast inflicted with the self realisation of our own mortality. This separates us of all other living things as when our base needs are meet we still need more otherwise we realise the futility of our own existence.

>>17008640
Americans are the best people on this planet.

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>>17008645
What makes someone better than someone else?

>>17008625
>Because if everyone did that it would result in a lawless society where your female loved ones would be raped too
That's meaning bro.

You're talking about a concept beyond the immediate physical world in front of you. You're talking about shaping your actions as a collective to bring about positive change. You're talking about agreeing to abide by certain principles even if they're not enshrined in law. That's meaning. You're saying it DOES exist.

>>17008625
Is it in our nature as humans to rape and kill?

>>17008659
Not him, but that's just a mix of desire and social contract. Idk why you'd need God for that.

>>17008659
>That's meaning
No, that is just long term planning

>>17008665
>>17008669
You live in a civilsation founded on Christian values and beliefs. You abide by Christian moral teachings and ethics. You act as if you were Christian. And yet you still claim God isn't real.

If you're such free thinking radical unique individuals, why are you following Christianity so hard?

>>17008089
>the only thing holding them back is the fear of god
And no, "God will hurt you" is not a sufficient answer

>>17008807
>You abide by Christian moral teachings and ethics.
I literally eat shrimp and fuck men

The more you peer into the lives of atheists, you start to understand why they are the way they are.

>>17008807
If I'm following Christianity so hard, why does my existence trigger you?

>>17008568
So it's the sane thing to be hedonist then

>>17008807
You might be surprised to hear it but "don't rape women" was not a controversial take before Christianity. Christian ethics are much less unique than you probably believe, even the golden rule is a paraphrase of Rabbi Hillel.

>>17005773
still not worshipping a jew, sorry.

>>17008807
Slavery is a christian institution and we dont have it tho

>>17009136
>ethics
Saying and not doing?