If heaven was even real, I don’t understand why anyone would want to go to a place where family doesn’t remember each other, and where you spend all of eternity worshipping someone, and nothing but a church type feel. It blows my mind how Christian’s talk about how heaven is this most magical place when all it consists of is praising and worshiping someone. How can anyone find that magical, I just don’t get it.
You're projecting
>>17221848How?
>>17221850Your perception of heaven is entirely your subjective interpretation of scriptural material that is far from literal. Then you try to predict or contradict others' attitudes based on a vision in your own head?Keep going that way and you'll go schizophrenic
>>17221844You're viewing it from a mortal perspective. Think of it like being constantly connected to the source of all good in the universe. It would be like a 24/7 high.It does seem a bit brainwashy though, when I was a kid it seemed great. But as an adult, after learning to dwell in and accept the innate misery of life, it now seems like a bizarre concept. What would I even be if not for the personality I've forged through suffering? Whatever I am now would quickly go away if I were to not feel pain anymore and was happy all the time. I would not be the same person. Something to think about.
>>17222135Your personality doesn't go away when you go to Heaven, what the fuck? Even in your own statements that's incoherent. You don't need to suffer 24/7 in order to validate existence Doctor Juden Peterstein.Suffering just rarifies our minds to appreciate God's glory as our savior; without that context we'd see ourselves as equivalent to God and take all the glory of paradise for granted like Adam & Eve.
>>17222190Personally speaking, I've had a chronic illness my whole life and barely take pain meds so I don't get addicted or develop tolerance, so about half of my time here has been filled with debilitating pain. Without the mental coping mechanisms I've developed to both deal with the pain itself and the effects of it (stress, isolation, social consequences, delays in personal advancement, etc), I wouldn't even know who I am. I would be someone else. Now, that said, everyone on the planet goes through pain and loss, they deal with negative emotions every day. It's a part of life, and it makes you stronger, gives you character. If you take that away, you remove all adversity, what exactly is a man? All you have to do is look at spoiled man/womanchildren who throw a fit if they don't get exactly what they want at all times to see what I mean - they are consumed by reckless hedonism and can't handle any stress. Now multiply that 100x and that's what heaven supposedly is. So what does a man become with no adversity? He becomes soft and weak and useless. I guess it's fine if he's kept as worship livestock in an interdimensional stasis where he's high on divine spirit 24/7 and doesn't have to struggle, but then what exactly is he? He no longer has character or personality, he's not his own agent, he's basically like an opium addict but without the negative consequences, locked in a permanent high for all eternity. It's just something to really think about.
What about eternity with Yuyuko? Is there an afterlife for that?
>>17222704we can reasonably hope
>>17222135so no free will
>>17221844Then I looked downward, and I saw Paradise. And that place is inconceivably pleasant.And I saw the trees in full flower. And their fruits were ripe and pleasant-smelling, with every food in yield and giving off profusely a pleasant fragrance.And in the midst the tree of life, at that place where the LORD takes a rest when he goes into paradise. And that tree is indescribable for pleasantness and fine fragrance, and more beautiful than any other created thing that exists. And from every direction it has an appearance which is good-looking and crimson, and with the form of fire. And it covers the whole of Paradise. And it has something of every orchard tree and of every fruit. And its root is in Paradise at the exit that leads to the earth.And paradise is in between the corruptible and the incorruptible. And two streams come forth, one a source of honey and milk, and a source which produces oil and wine. And it is divided into 4 parts, and they go around with a quiet movement. And they come out into the paradise of Edem, between the corruptible and the incorruptible. And from there they pass along and divide into 40 parts. And it proceeds in descent along the earth, and they have a revolution in their cycle, just like the other atmospheric elements.And there is no unfruitful tree there, and every tree is well fruited, and every place is blessed.And there are 300 angels, very bright, who look after Paradise; and with never-ceasing voice and pleasant singing they worship the LORD every day and hour. And I said, “How very pleasant is this place!” And those men said to me:
>>17222831“This place, Enoch, has been prepared for the righteous, who suffer every kind of calamity in their life and who afflict their souls, and who avert their eyes from injustice, and who carry out righteous judgment, and who give bread to the hungry, and who cover the naked with clothing, and who lift up the fallen and who help the injured and the orphans, and who walk without a defect before the face of the LORD, and who worship him only – even for them this place has been prepared as an eternal inheritance.”
>>17222816Correct. Canonically, after literal resurrection was rejected due to the unfortunate failures of the Rabbi's prophesies, it was decided that heaven was being nothing but a disembodied voice screaming "kadesh" for all eternity.
>>17222240So you dont ever want rest for your suffering?
>>17221844But imagine! You will never tire, you will never feel hunger or thirst, your joints will never get sore, your voice will never grow hoarse, all so that you can forever be on your knees and shout ”Praise the lord!” ecstatically forever.What else could you want?
>>17223856seems like a way to stroke the ego of God
>>17221844Because Christian Heaven is shit.I worship a Dark God myself.Cocaine on a whores butt would be like having coffee in this realm.