>Whoa! You mean a story about a magic flying Jew that talks to clouds is just...a story? What an wild, outlandish theory! Nobody could possibly make up a story about someone that isn't real!>but what about the consensus...A consensus of people who have never critically examined their assumptions. There's a consensus because they assume it and they assume it because there's a consensus. >but there's more evidence for Jesus than for Alexander the Great...Actually there isn't. >but there's more evidence for Jesus than for Julius Caesar...Actually there isn't. >but there's more evidence for Jesus than for Socrates...Actually there isn't. There is zero primary or contemporary evidence for Jesus or any reference to such evidence in the existing documents.
>>17223312historians have reached the consensus that Jesus was an historical figure, thank God we have you here Anon to prove them all wrong
>>17223317So apparently OP thinks Jews pay the Catholic Church to pay the same atheists scientists that the jews also pay to say that Jesus was a historical figure even though the atheist hates Jesus... I don't know what to believe anymore
>>17223317>historians have reached the consensusThere used to be a consensus that Moses existed.
>>17223370There used to be a consensus that the heavenly bodies were perfectly spherical. Turns out academics are paradigmatic lemmings.
Goddamn it I had a whole post typed and 4chan ate it.Basically you know the fact that the Church even got off the ground indicates that there was a widespread corroboration of early Gospel claims of Jesus' existence. You're implying that nobody but the Apostles (who lied) ever saw Jesus of Nazareth but those people who never saw or otherwise corroborated him were willing to die of torture and not recant their testimony, for no reason.It is entirely more coherent and honest to accept that Jesus' life and ministry was widely corroborated by witnesses and secondhand accounts but then to discredit Christians you'd have to make the case for why they totally lied about all the most notable, miraculous stuff in the Gospels and absolutely nobody called them out on it.
His deeds are a metaphor.Christcucks need him to be superhuman to justify their virtue signaling. Then they teach their gay kids to be special snowflakes as well.
>>17223397You have to resort to conspiracy theories to discredit things like that. Atheists are just fundie evangelicals who hate God.
>>17223403The part where he got up and walked around after being dead for 3 days was just a metaphor? So the Jews really did just murder God through manipulation of secular authority?If Jesus wasn't literally God then who fucking cares what he did, and if he was literally God why would Literally God not be able to Literally Revive?
>>17223312I'd say there's about a 50% chance of Socrates being fictional and a 100% chance of Jesus being fictional
>>17223370>>17223392>modern historical methods are valid...>except when it says things I don't like,
>>17223457>Anomalies accumulating in historicity of Jesus narrative>Academia inherently resistant to change>Those who read the literature know a paradigm shift is coming>"TRUST THE SCIENCE!"
>>172234642 more weeks
>>17223466When does Jesus' smoke break end, btw?
>>17223397>the fact that Rome got off the ground proves Romulus existed.
>>17223407It's not a conspiracy theory that a story about a flying Jew is a story.
>>17223490>He doesn't know the Romans had Romulus' house on displayHe existed, he was the son of Rhea Silvia and Mars, the grandson of the great king Numitor, heir of Aeneas. Suckled by a she-wolf, raised by shepherds, founder of Rome, and after his glorious assumed to the heavens by the gods.VGH QUAM BENEDICTVS
>>17223490It would, if Rome had been founded by people who corroborated Romulus' existence, explicitly to worship Romulus, in short order after Romulus' death/disappearance.You need to posit a good alternative reason why hundreds/thousands of people would voluntarily participate in and go to their brutal ends proclaiming belief and corroboration of a fictional character, at a time when faith in such a fictional character would give them absolutely no material benefit and was part of no longstanding faith or tradition.What exactly caused the mass synchronized hysterics of the foundational Christian Church, in your account?
The Jesus character is based on Mithras and Zoroaster. Christianity supplanted sun worship in Rome, which is why you can draw parallels between Jesus and the sun. Halos- sun rays around holy people Easter- the sun returns depicted by the resurrection of ChristIranian calendar new year begins in springChristmas- December 25th is the birth of Mithras and Sol Invictus day in Rome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithrahttps://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/reference/december_25_yalda_eduljee.pdfhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraism_in_comparison_with_other_belief_systemshttp://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/calendar/invictus.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nowruz
>>17223517>if Rome had been founded by people who corroborated Romulus' existence,There is no primary or contemporary evidence for Jesus. Nobody who met him wrote anything down. Nobody who wrote anything down had met him. Nobody in his lifetime wrote anything down. Nobody from Judea wrote anything down. A story about a Jew flying around in the sky on a magic cloud is not a corroboration of said Jew, any more than Spiderman comics corroborate Peter Parker. >You need to posit a good alternative reason why hundreds/thousands of people would voluntarily participate in and go to their brutal ends proclaiming belief and corroboration of a fictional character"If people believe something it must be real" Nope. The logical fallacy at work should be self evident.
>>17223688Jesus telepathically communicated with Paul from Heaven, so I'm not sure why that doesn't qualify as evidence.
>>17223312To be fair, Socrates seems like Plato's sock puppet at times. Maybe he existed but I expect at least one story to be Plato putting words in his mouth.
>>17223683Jesus was real, just not the son of god. He was some dude preaching and his followers used syncretism to apply all this other shit to him after he was executed.
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>>17223370And indeed, the grounds for rejecting his existence are retarded, given that figures like Gudea of Lagash are accepted as historical.
>>17223843Plausible, but left unexplained is why some random nobody was able to convince people he was god and the cult he started took no effort to preserve any evidence that their founder existed beyond tall tales about flying Jews on magic clouds. The problem with minimal historicity is it assumes things not in evidence in the existing documents. The existing documents are all flying magic Jews or in Paul's case, a Jew that lives in the sky and grants visions.
>>17223961>the grounds for rejecting his existence are retardedIt's not retarded to say that a story about a flying magic Jew isn't necessarily based on a real person.
>>17223992Yeah, it is. You start out with unfounded naturalistic assumptions which you don't question at all and let then construct everything else around them. You have yet to make a rational argument.
