Why did Protestant countries win?(You're speaking Protestant right now)
>>17223377>Why did Protestant countries win?Because of the people for whom their religion exists.
Liberalism won and it evolved directly from Protestantism.
>>17223377Work ethic trumps medieval feudalism
>>17223384Prots are Lone bulwark of the west. Cope
>>17223377It had a defensible island.
Why did they win as soon as their populations became secularized but were poor when they were zealously religious Protestants(Calvinist-Lutheran Germany, inner Netherlands, Scandinavia, Prussia)?
>>17223401Protestant countries were winning long before the late 20th century though.
>>17223388Sounds like God wanted them to win
>>17223384Liberalism was pushed by subversive papist counter-reformationists and jews.
>>17223617what!? john locke, a calvinist, laid the foundations of liberalism, same thing goes for adam smith that was also calvinist and his intrinsic theory of value, he planted the seeds for the development of the classical economics (and marxism btw), on the other hand, the school of salamanca and the scholastics with people like diego de covarrubias y leyva were in favor of a subjective theory of value, you are on history board, read a fucking wikipedia article at least
>>17223401>inner Netherlands, ScandinaviaWhat are you talking about? Sweden was somewhat of a world power in the 17th century, same for the Dutch Golden Age
>>17223705Sweden was a military power yes but not an economic one and after they lost Finland to Russia they regressed tooAs for Netherlands I said the inland areas, not holland province which was wealthy since before Calvinism was established
>>17223707What do you mean by an economic power? Sweden was rich enough to afford to field a big army and a decent fleet
>>17223453Do you believe that they only secularized in the 20th century? Retard.
>>17223617>Liberalism was pushed by subversive papist counter-reformationists and jews.Why would a pro-monarchical structure & institutions (verticals; curia, offices, dicasteries, 'orders'...) support republican thought & institutionalism (horizontals; consistories, councils, chambers...)?Why would a top-down structure invent a left<->right structure?You're not making sense, at all.
>>17223617>he fell for the meme
>>17223717>Sweden was rich enough to afford to field a big army and a decent fleetRich enough to afford to field a big army and a decent fleet, OR enough to afford to field a big army, a decent fleet, and a well-off population? (fuck the royals, and nobility, I'm talking about the average Sven)
>>17223740I don't think there was a well-off population anywhere at that point in time
>>17223721They only became secularized in the 20th century because in the 19th century basically every Protestant country has had a state church. In fact secularisation is mostly a Catholic phenomenon, because many protestant countries in Europe (UK, Scandies, Germany) are not really secularized in the sense that state and church still have overlaps.
>>17223744NTA, but that's because the Catholic countries went to separate the church from the state while in Protestant ones the church itself secularised
>>17223743A-ha! So it wasn't rich.>inb4 b-but muh my marching toy soldiers dressed in colorful dresses, with rifles, and cannons, and boats with cannons[Ultra] half-starving poorfags enduring bullshit from the nobility & monarchs, behaving like literal dollies.
>>17223754My point is that everyone was poor so singling out Protestants just to win an argument is kinda weird. I mean, I can always say that agriculture was still very important for peasants' well-being and it's kinda hard to grow crops in the swamps of the Netherlands or freezing forests of Scandinavia
>>17223747This sort of mirrors what happened in the United States. The official state religions of most the colonies ended up becoming mostly irrelevant, while the unaffiliated sects remained strong. Congregationalists(Puritans) and Episcopalians(Anglicans) make up around 2-3 million people in a total population of 340 million. Meanwhile Catholics and Baptists together make up over 100 million people.
>You're speaking Protestant right now本当に?
>>17223866Sonotorida.
>>17223387High church Protestants like the Episcopalians and Presbyterians in the US are the biggest faggot libtards on the planet and so are the cousins overseas. What the fuck are you smoking?
