Caofags will claim Cao Ahman help "reunify" the Han, but all he did was use the emperor to bully the warlord across the realm. He was a self-serving petty man insecure about his daddy being a ballless faggot. Liu Bei, on the other hand, did his filial duty by calling out pure evil when it sprung up. If Wu weren't traitorous bitches Liu Bei would've easily unified the realm and prevent the disaster that would be the Jin dynasty and following chaos.
>>17266349Based.Liu Bei was pure SOVL, a paragon of virtue and righteousness.Cao Cao was a Jew-like man, so it makes sense why modern day people and media fellate him so much. I have yet to see a good argument from Caocucks about why Liu Bei was bad. Unlike Cao Ahman, Liu Bei never massacred civilians, never betrayed his loyal subordinates, and genuinely cared about helping the people, for example, putting himself and his army in danger to protect the people of Jing fleeing from Cao Cao's invasion. Caofags will say that he was using the people as human shields even though this theory makes no sense. All of Liu Bei's generals and advisors were heads and shoulder's above Cao Cao's again showing how much greater Liu Bei was as a man.
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was he a simp?
He's actually benovelent unlike his rivals.Cao Cao is infamous for being a massacre happy bastard while Sun Quan slowly became a lunatic who purged official who criticised him.During the time Cao Cao was chasing him in the Jing province, Liu Bei didn't abandon a large group of refugees who were slowing him down.
>>17267850In the novel he was. I'm pretty sure in history he was seeing one of Dong Zhuo's women and was scared of retaliation so he struck first.
>>17267346He lost. Both in history and in modern imaginary.Shufags spent centuries coping with his defeat and writing books about him as a hero, but even their propaganda literature ended up making everyone like Cao Cao more in the end. Just take the L
>>17268970Silence, deluded Weifag.Cow Cow lost, too.
>>17266349Wu was 100% in the right to backstab Liu Bei and are the true heroes of the Three Kingdom insofar that they distanced themselves from the failed system of the Han dynasty.
Reminder that "Liu" Bei still hasn't presented his birth certificate despite claiming legitimacy due to him being the Emperor's second cousin's wife's son's concubine's college roommate twice removed, or something. He is a peasant sandalmaker and probably a barbarian as well.Reminder that Guan Yu is a convicted murderer.Reminder that Zhang Fei raped a 13-year-old and later married her.Shu lost. Liu Bei died like a dog. Zhuge Liang got BTFO by Sima Yi. Liu Shan was too retarded to hold the state together even for another generation and was only good for being used as a football. Cope and seethe.
Honestly, Wei was wrong insofar that he Cao Cao was actually willing to play ball with the Han nobility rather than exterminating them for their failure.
>>17269160> Liu Bei died like a dogArguments about if he was right or not aside, his death was frankly hilarious. The sheer ease by which his entire enterprise was dismantled really showed he never had what it took to actually rule as Emperor.
>both Qin and Shu Han shat themselves on the 2nd emperor
>>17269160Dilate, Caotranny. Liu Bei was a direct descendant of Emperor Jing. This was very explicitly recorded in Sanguozhi with no ambiguity. Not a single one of his rivals doubted his claim or ever insinuated that he wasn't a real imperial relative. Doing so would have been effective propaganda if there really was doubt about his ancestry but none of his rivals did so. Only retarded Caocucks on the internet doubt his ancestry because they have zero argument otherwise for why Liu Bei was bad.Guan Yu killed a local bully who deserved it. He was also famous for loyalty and honor and for his kindness to the common man, how can you call him an evil man?Zhang Fei had a happy marriage with Lady Xiahou who genuinely loved him according to all accounts in the historical record. Their children became important figures within Shu Han and it allowed them to build close ties with members of the Xiahou clan such as Xiahou Ba, who defected to Han because of Wei's degeneracy (Sima Yi's coup). How can you slander Zhang Fei as a rapist?Zhuge Liang invaded a state with 5 times the population of his own, in the extremely mountainous and defensible Guanzhong region, and still forced Wei into a defensive posture, too scared to face him head on. Sima Yi did not win a single battle against Zhuge Liang and got buckbroke by Liang so hard that even a dead Zhuge made Zhongda flee like a bitch. The only reason Wei won was because of supply issues with invading Guanzhong and because Zhuge Liang died too early. Zhuge Liang beats Sima Bitch in strategy, tactics, politics, leadership, and virtue.Shu Han won. Wei was usurped by the Sima clan and a good portion of the Cao and Xiahou clans were slaughtered. Wei will forever be remembered as a failure of a state. Shu Han was the wealthiest state per capita, it had the fairest and most just government, and it was beloved by its people and Liu Bei and Zhuge Liang's government will forever be remembered as the exemplar for how a state should be.
>>17269690>Sima Yi did not win a single battle against Zhuge LiangAnd yet he won the war against that retard who couldn't delegate his duties to others and overworked himself to death. Must be tough being a shufag lmao.
>>17270078Sima Yi had a shit ton more resources than Zhuge Liang, and still choose to go on the defensive because he was scared of Zhuge Liang.Sima Yi could afford to do literally nothing and win through attrition.
>>17270110>because he was scared of Zhuge Liangoh, was he?>Sima Yi could afford to do literally nothing and win through attrition.So you concede that Sima Yi wasn't scared but simply a smart strategist who didn't go mindlessly on the offensive and cause casualties just for the sake of some military glory? Great, hope you come back when you have better ammunition for trash talking, pathetic shufag.
>>17270144>didn't mindlessly go on the offensive and cause casualties just for the sake of some military gloryRetarded weifag, Sima Yi lost one of his top generals, Zhang He, during the fourth expedition by ordering him to pursue Zhuge Liang even though Zhang He warned him that this was a bad move according to military doctrine. As expected, Zhang He was killed in an ambush by Kongming's forces. Sima Yi was hardly a cautious mastermind who was just avoiding casualties.Later on, Sima Yi remained on the defensive because he knew that he couldn't defeat Kongming and he knew that his only chance was to wait for the Han army to exhaust their supplies. Even after Kongming's death, Sima Yi when pursuing the Han forces, fled due to the tiniest possibility of Kongming still being alive leading to the famous saying that a dead Zhuge scared away a live Zhongda. Sima Yi also commented that Kongming was a rare talent under heaven. So Sima Yi was definitely terrified of Zhuge Liang after losing to him multiple times. Pick up a history book for once, weifag.
>South China a backwater during the han dynasty>Wu develops the region>Jin gets BTFO out of the north>they use the south to preserve their civilization in the south while the north gets ravaged by steppeniggers>China is eventually unified by northern dynasties (Sui and Tang) who then abandon the degenerated northern culture and replace it with southern (preserved han chinese culture)Wu is objectively the most important dynasty out of the three. Sun Quan's historical impact beats out Liu Bei and Cao Cao combined a hundred times over
>>17269160God I've got to watch this show again
>>17270144>So you concede that Sima Yi wasn't scared but simply a smart strategist who didn't go mindlessly on the offensive and cause casualtiesLMAO, Sima Yi was clearly stalled the war out so he usurp the throne of Wei. Why you keep glazing the traitor, Caofag?
>>17269082Never claimed otherwise, illiterate retard. Liu Bei still lost and his dynasty never even began, and you people couldn't cope with that for over 1700 years.
>>17267850cricket man
>>17270661His story is more interesting how it played out. That's probably how the Three Kingdoms era is one of the most known, due to it how dynamic it was.
>>17266349I TRIED SO HARD AND GOT SO FARBUT IN THE ENDIT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER.
>>17266349In other news.Sima Yi founds "worst dynasty ever" asked to leave chinese afterlife.
>>17271321Sometimes the losers are celebrated more than the winners because of the obstacles they faced.You don't hear much of Sima Yan, despite being the man who own the entire pre-Han dynasty territories after being divided for nearly a century.
>>17271147>That's probably how the Three Kingdoms era is one of the most known, due to it how dynamic it was.lmao the most dynamic eras were the sixteen kingdoms and 5 dynasties and 10 kingdoms. It has nothing to do with that. It's purely due to the fact that it's involved with the collapse of the Han Dynasty and due to later events in the Song dynasty where the history was reinterpreted
>>17272394>Sima Yanhe along with his father and grandfather are literally the central characters in the later part of the three kingdoms. ROTK ends with him reuniting China. The reason the rest of his reign isn't spoken about much is because it was successful with nothing happening except the Jin empire recovering and Sima Yan having orgies
>>17272663I don't know shit about those other time periods. I was talking about how the Three Kingdoms era has a lot of interesting shit going on. Like Cao Cao overcoming the much larger forces of Yuan Shao, Liu Bei being a peasant in the north and becoming an emperor in the south, and Sun Quan winning the battle of Red Cliffs.
>>17272681>Cao Cao overcoming the much larger forces of Yuan ShaoUnderdogs often do better because they don't think everything is already done or almost over, they have to work for it and this gives unexpected results.
>>17272681>Liu Bei being a peasant in the northHe was not a peasant. His father and grandfather were both government officials.
>>17266349Lol. Lmao even."Imperial" Faggot "Liu" Bei did absolutely everything wrong. His ancestor's dynasty, while respectable in the times of Liu Bang and Han Wu Di, far fell from grace. "Liu" Bei was just a salty basket weaving incel throwing babies because he lost against Cao Cao. No wonder why Shu Han fell, Liu Ahdou was just as retarded as his father, while Cao Pi and Cao Rui were truly a show of the Cao's bloodline genius.
>>17274336cow pee didnt do shit
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>>17274336Too bad the only long-lived Cao was Mengde.
the only thing I know about any of these people is what Dynasty Warriors taught me, but the truth remains that Liu Bei is in fact based even in video games
>>17275251I prefer his more older pre-DW6 appearance. Though, I understand why they made him younger.
>>17275330I do as well
