Imagine what the cucksaders were thinking when they heard he whooped Prester Khan's ass
>>17267686>modern mongolboos: NOOO THE TWO ARMIES WERE EVEN IN NUMBER. THAT'S NOT FAIR. THE MONGOLS WOULD HAVE WON IF THEY OUTNUMBERED THEM 5:1
>>17267686Why aren't he and qutuz as popular as salahuddin? They defeated both the crusaders and mongols, much more impressive than anything salahuddin did.
>>17268899moslems live by the reflective light of Europe. If Europeans don't dredge something up from moslem history first, it likely won't find its way into an Arab's mind. Unless it's some quroanic scholar with strong opinions on the correct way of stitching underwear.
>>17268930>moslems live by the reflective light of Europe. If Europeans don't dredge something up from moslem history first, it likely won't find its way into an Arab's mind.Arabs and Westerners push the same distorted or selective talking points about history. That's by design.>>17268899>Why aren't he and qutuz as popular as salahuddin? They defeated both the crusaders and mongols, much more impressive than anything salahuddin did.Great question. Most common people's understanding of history is largely reduced to memes and whatever is pushed via institutional education. Unfortunately, in the Muslim World the institutional education is scarce in itself and so all history is reduced to memes.The reason Salah ad-Deen Ayyubi is popular is because Western writers romanticized him. They did not romanticize Nur ad-Deen Zengi, nor Rukn ad-Deen Baibars after him. They make up the top three most important Muslim leaders or Ghazis that defeated the Crusaders.It was Nur ad-Deen Zengi that SENT Shirkuh and his nephew Saladin to Egypt to back Fatimid vizier Shawar in a power struggle. Rukn ad-Deen Baibars defeated both the Crusades and the Ilkhanate. Do you notice how the emphasis on the discourse around Saladin is exclusively on his fight against the Crusaders and liberating Jerusalem? This is because that's what's most relevant to the Christian West.To me, Saladin's biggest achievement was his strategic takeover of Fatimid Egypt from the Isma'ili Shia and that too with minimal violence. Consequently, Isma'ilism was wiped out from Egypt and surrounding regions and stopped being the second biggest sect of Islam, which are today Ithna'ashari (Twelvers). His liberation of Jerusalem is only his second-most impressive. Even though he defeated the Crusaders as a whole, they did launch the Third Crusade before Saladin's death that managed to re-take territory outside Jerusalem albeit it was much smaller than what they held from the Second Crusade.[1/2]
>>17268899>>17269010Most plebs actually think the Abbasid "Caliphate" was relevant beyond the 900s, or that the Sack of Abbasid Baghdad in 1258 by the Mongol-led Ilkhanate did major harm to the Muslim World. These are deluded Arab and Western talking points.The meme brain is partly why I have massive annoyance towards the new gen of Islamic vloggers and debaters. They almost never talk about what needs to be talked about, and when they do it's years late and only after the US popularizes it, whether directly by the US or in reaction to the US. The traditional Sunni clergy are even more retarded because ignorance is their MO. The Salafists are borderline heretics and PREYING on ignorance is their MO. And most so-called Muslim leaders are colluders with anti-Muslim enemies, so don't expect anything from them to begin with because the last thing they want you doing is reading up on history and current affairs and finding out what their friends and allies are doing to Muslims or have done to Muslims across recent centuries.The average Muslim cannot tell you what the "Ummah" or Muslim World even consists of today geographically, and they damn sure cannot tell you about all the areas that existed in the past that have been genocided of Muslims, even into the 20th century. Nor can they tell you about the persecution and genocide happening today UNTIL it is covered by Western media. I may elaborate further, if you wish.[2/2]
>Baybars was described as a tall man with olive skin and blue eyes.Of course a whiteish man would win from a bunch of asian horsefuckers
>>17269010>>17269014Unbelievable as it may be, I think Muslims have a bigger persecution complex than Jews.
>>17268899>Why aren't he and qutuz as popular as salahuddin?Because Salahuddin still failed to defeat crusaders.
>>17269019Everyone has a persecution complex today. Since the advent of television "oppression" has become one of the major sources of cultural capital, and this has only become more true with the expanded access to the internet.It's why no matter what issue is being discussed, someone will always try to frame in in terms of how they're oppressed. Muslims and Jews both have persecution complexes, but so does everyone else alive today.
>>17269010>To me, Saladin's biggest achievement was his strategic takeover of Fatimid Egypt from the Isma'ili ShiaIMO.The biggest achievment was not only taking Egypt, but also, consolidating administrative and logistic infrastructure between Egypt&Hejaz and Syria&Jordan
>>17269061When I had to learn about him in school, my teacher placed so much emphasis on his abilities as a military leader and nothing about his political achievements. When I actually researched him, I came to the conclusion that he was a very good general but an excellent statesman. I guess it comes back to what that other anon said about how westerners only think of him in relation to the crusades.
>>17269014>or that the Sack of Abbasid Baghdad in 1258 by the Mongol-led Ilkhanate did major harm to the Muslim World.Let's be honest.Sack of Baghada really kicked Islam on the edge.Khwarezmian empire&Iran were already wrecked by mongolsBulgaria and Caucasian mountain were already wrecked by mongolsTurks were already wrecked by mongolsAl-Andalus was already wrecked by SpainAt the moment of battle of Ain Jalut Egypt was the only large muslim state still standing. And it's army was just few thousands of cumans
>>17269014>The Salafists are borderline heretics and PREYING on ignorance is their MO.explain
>>17269078>Sack of Baghada really kicked Islam on the edgeNo, the sacking in 946 is what turned Baghdad to a thriving city with a population of +1,000,000 to basically Rome after its final sack.>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(946)>Turks were already wrecked by mongolsThe muslim cuman turks are who would guarantee that the Golden Horde would become Muslim.
>>17269018>famous muslim commander>actually ethnically EuropeanMany such cases!
>>17269139Sure, but Muslims have a tendency to try and portray themselves as both strong and weak that is especially silly. Like I said before, everyone alive today has a persecution complex, and all of us have ways obnoxious ways of expressing it.
>>17269045Nah, white people arent constantly whining about how we wuz kangz and how they are actually being genocided and discriminated everywhere, thats a purely semitic trait.>muh /pol/ Not white and for Muslims and Jews its not restrained to fringe online groups but an integrate part of their identity. Its especially pathetic because the same Muslims who cry about how much everybody hates them are also gleeful when talking about how they killed Indians there, enslaved Christians here and other heinous shit, just pure doublethink. >>17269139Yeah they do, Muslims are obsessed with being seen as (positive) part of European history while also maintaining that Europeans are inferior subhumans who should be forcibly converted and enslaved, just pure delusions.
>>17269134>>actually ethnically Europeanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars
>>17269181>Muslims are obsessed with being seen as (positive) part of European history while also maintaining that Europeans are inferior subhumans who should be forcibly converted and enslaved, just pure delusions.So like Anglos, pretty much everywhere.From Scotland to New Zeland and Libertarians
>>17269134He was a Kipchak turk
>>17269194Its kinda funny that Muttshits are butthurt at Anglos for supposedly keepin' da brown man down while I am butthurt at them because they are to blame for Muslims still existing as a relevant political force.Truly there is no winning with the perfidious albion.
>>17269181>Not whiteLooks white to me
>>17269197>I am butthurt at them because they are to blame for Muslims still existing as a relevant political force.Blame your anglo overlords from GM and FordThey could've had Siberian oil and gfas, but a guy with Alzheimer decided it wasn't enough
>>17269181>Nah, white people arent constantly whining about how we wuz kangz and how they are actually being genocided and discriminated everywhere, thats a purely semitic trait.I don't know about Europe, but in the US this has been a major part of right wing talking points here. No goes as far as publicly complaining about "white genocide", but there's plenty of talk about demographic change. Hell, the current incumbent ran a platform that included mass deportations.There are also plenty of claims about discrimination from white people here too. It's why one things like DEI, affirmative action, and political correctness are all major issues on the right. Sure, they may not be as radical as /pol/ was ten years ago, but these things are still present. The thing is I don't even blame them for it. We exist in a paradigm that demands all political issues be measured in terms of "oppression". It's not so much that they want to be a'oppressed", but that they need to be seen as such in order to get what they want.
>>17269181>white people arent constantly whining about how we wuz kangz and how they are actually being genocided and discriminated everywhere,Boudicca forced meme in XIX century?
>>17269134I said white, not European.
>>17269181>Yeah they do, Muslims are obsessed with being seen as (positive) part of European history while also maintaining that Europeans are inferior subhumans who should be forcibly converted and enslaved, just pure delusions.I like when they go on about how Ibn Khaldun influenced/anticipated European economics and sociology, but always neglect to mention how he did the same for race science and crank history.
>>17269197Eh, it's going to get worse since their king is sa closet Muslim.
>>17269246>mad at good ol CharlieEver guess how I know your name is Denzel?
>>17269258I have an Irish name, but that has nothing to do wit hit since I wasn't raised catholic. It's clear from his behaviors and sympathies that he is a closet Muslim, and I believe that during his coronation they had him concealed specifically so that he could perform and Islamic prayer.
>>17269270least paranoid Anglo
>>17269270He's not a Muslim just a theosophy/Rene Guanon appreciator.
>>17269270>. It's clear from his behaviors and sympathies that he is a closet Muslim,Well modern times, modern times. Everyone had to pick side, even monarchs
>>17269279Defender of white Evropa
>>17269282For some reasons almost all ex-soviet countries leaders are very good with servile expression+
>>17269279I actually don't mind MBS, and I be more sympathetic to them if more genuinely were interested in some form of religious moderation and tolerance. I don't know if such a thing can be maintained in the long term, but I hope it can be. Talking to a few of the particularly obnoxious Muslims on here made me more hateful than I should really be able to justify>>17269274He's gone out of his way to show a great deal of sympathy towards them in his life in a way that I don't think a nonbeliever could.
>>17269270>I have an Irish name,Shouldn't you guys being grateful for caliph saving you from famine?
>>17269130>cuman turks
>>17269328I'm Irish in name only since I wasn't raised a Catholic. Also, the British government made the Emperor reduce his support considerably and any good deed done by Muslims is done with the intention of either converting or dominating the recipient in the long-term. But I don't care about specific nationalities. I conceive of our current struggle as a broader clash of civilizations.
>>17269336The cuman were turks?
>>17269343Charles sees this as preserving western civilization though, theosophy and the traditionalist school is very western while it may pretend to be perennial. He probably sees Islam as something that can reinvigorate the west.None of this should be surprising-- the Victorian were heavy into British Israelism and mysticism and were forging a whole genealogy going back to eve. The major funder of British Israelism was Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone-- whose brother was Charles Edward, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, one of the main funders of the Nazis in their earliest days.
>>17269343>as a broader clash of civilizations.Oh, it's /po/tard
>>17269246>>17269270Well why should he be against them if Gulf and Middle Eastern monarchies were British minions/partners in running the region after Ottomans, but then Uncle Sam and Uncle Ivan concieved a kiddy Rabbi
>>17270462I guess "don't think about it and let them conquer you" is a better way to look at it.
>>17271421Yep, it's LARPing /pol/tard
>>17271424I'm not saying I or you should do anything beyond pulling our heads out of the sand.
>>17271424>>17271430I also want to say that I don't believe in the Huntington model since its predictions really failed to shake out. I just believe in taking people who believe their prophet told them they'd conquer places and how glorious it would be at their word.
>>17271565So it's not about anythiung relevant, but your feeling upon objective reality
>>17269601Turks were Oghuz group, Cumans were Kipchak groups
>>17269078>Mongols forced Muslims to become radicalist inbreeding degenerates
>>17271598If believing that Muslims sincerely believe in words of their prophet is subjective, then sure, but I don't think that's the correct way to look at it.
>>17271629Imbreeding, for some reasons, seems like a common cultural safe-mechanism among semites, same with jews predisposition to schizophrenia>>17271637> but I don't think that's the correct way to look at it.The very fact that you are adding muslims into the context of current clashes of civilizations already proves your approach is incorrect and you just trying to understand ongoing global process through your understanding of the past.The biggest civilization clash we have today is rivalry of technocracies, state-funded against corporative-funded.
>>17271668No he's right there is a clash of civilizations but what he doesn't get is that wahabbi Islam is in alliance with the West both materially and theologically/hermeneutically. Charles probably just has more faith that his Muslim subjects will be more usefull in an upcoming war with China than native Englishman
>>17267686>Prester KhanPlease enlighten me on this Prester Khan.
>>17273196Play on words for Prester Joh
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>>17269279I like that gulf arab garb, even modi, despite looking silly, is cool for wearing his little hindian uniform.Suits are so boring. Why doesn't xi wear a silk robe?
>>17269279Is it weird if I find MBS super handsome?
>>17275495No, it just means you think like Tom Friedman.
