I never tortured anybody. Every sentient being who has ever experienced torture throughout all time has experienced it because god wanted them to. If I were god, I would create a reality with zero suffering in it. I would make infinite people experiencing infinite happiness for infinite time. Boom, done. That's all reality needed to be from the beginning. No eating each other just to exist, no sexual competition, no reason to hate anyone or anything, just everything is good all the time.Pic related is a polar bear eating a smaller polar bear because nature is a merciless meat grinder.
The fact that you don't understand free will and the responsibility it implies strongly suggest you have already done some pretty nasty stuff in your life
>>17270170Polar bears don't choose to eat other polar bears in some perfectly balanced, 50-50 left-right good-evil scenario. They're hungry because nature (or "god") made them that way and they do it without thinking twice. How can you blame the polar bear and not god, who is the one who is supposed to know better? It's like a parent having two children and then giving one of them berserker murder-rampage drugs and sicking a battleaxe in his hand and putting his brother nearby. Since no parent would do that, there is no god.
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>>17270167There's actually an extremely good reason God doesn't often directly improve things in the world - including tragic ones such as torture, much as He hates them. It has to do with a fascinating paradox you can run into between infinities and omnipotence, take a look: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YKUhD7--LKw
>>17270440this short literally said nothing intelligent>god is omnipotent yet can't increase goodness to infinityso he's not omnipotent>god wants to increase goodness as fast as possible but the laws of logic prohibit him from doing sowhat laws? how?>so god only acts in the world when goodness is about to decreasegoodness decreases all the time what the fuck... someone is getting murdered right now and no one will save them.
>>17270458>so he's not omnipotentYou're thinking specifically about something called "Cartesian omnipotence" where an omnipotent being could do any string of words, even self-contradictory ones, but this turns out to not even be sensical: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HZal99fwki4>what laws? how?Well like it said, if he just decided "I'll make things as good as I can" then he'd have to make infinite good, right? But actual infinites are logical impossibilities: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W4_OXMCswKU>goodness decreases all the time what the fuck... someone is getting murdered right now and no one will save them.It means goodness in the world as a whole. The fact that everyone will die and everything be destroyed one day doesn't stop that, since all good will be resurrected at the end, effectively meaning the quantity of good that exists in the world as a whole can never go down: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5kAte0NX8Nc
>>17270170If God really was omnipotent he could give everyone perfect free will while also ensuring perfect happiness for everyone.
>>17270503Stop comparing yourself to God
>>17270494Cartesian omnipotence is the only definition of omnipotence. It means "can do anything". Obviously this is impossible. The church trying to weasel its way out of it by saying "well he can't do logically impossible things but he can do everything else" fails. It is either omnipotence or it is not and it is not. The church is lying.The fact that someone who is supposed to be as powerful as the church claims still doesn't have the power to save the world from suffering, while Buddha has at least saved millions of people, suggests that he doesn't exist. Since reincarnation is a fact as well...>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmDcpnQGO3A&list=PLVGpOEyPHwiZreMYxqDdPa59DYI1VSvm9&index=1&t=235s...jesus's supposed promise of eternal life in heaven falls short. we will come back here to suffer again and again until we follow the Buddha's teachings, since they actually work. Look up the rainbow body in Tibetan Buddhism. It takes a lifetime of meditation to achieve it but it's a permanent end to suffering for one's soul, and then after that you can manifest anywhere in reality, save souls from samsara if you want, chill out in Pure Lands like Amitabha's, etc.In short, I'm not convinced.
>>17270440The only fascinating thing about this argument is how bad it is. You don't even need to attack any of its premises to debunk it. All you need to do is ask why God would create this world and not another one. Let's rate each possible world with goodness units. Then let's say on our scale our world will represent 1000 goodness units at its starting conditions when God created it. Why would God create a world starting with 1000 goodness units rather than 500 or 100000? In this way the argument essentially debunks itself, and that's not even getting into how the argument could be addressed by attacking its premises.
>>17270167I don’t really believe in God either, but he’s the only thing I got going on in my life right now
>>17270539Right, he has to explain what the limiting factors are on god's ability to make the world more good. Just saying it can't be infinitely good doesn't explain why god picked X level of goodness increasing at Y rate. If we assume that god picked a level of goodness at random out of a hat and a growth rate of that goodness at random out of a hat, with both being positive numbers, we should still expect to see a massive goodness value growing at a massive rate. I'll admit the universe is large, but as for growth rate, currently the global GDP grows at 3% per year. Of all the numbers he could have picked, 3 is pretty fucking low. A googolplex percent per year is laughably tiny as well. I don't buy it.
>>17270551Take up meditation. The happiest man in the world (measured in a lab) is a French-born Tibetan monk/author named Mathieu Ricard. Researchers say his brain scans suggest that his inner experience could only be described as "beatific". I think that's the best word they could think of. Interestingly, Ricard says he knows Tibetan monks who are even happier. But of course this takes years of meditation. Still once you get to that point where you can't wait to get on the cushion, the pleasure juices just start flowing.
>>17270539>>17270567Yep. For example why couldn't God just create an alternate reality where 1 less murder or rape was committed compared to this reality? Or 100 less murders and rapes were committed? Or 1000, or a reality where no one ever murders or rapes? Or did God actually want those murders and rapes to happen?
>>17270517>while Buddha has at least saved millions of peopleKorean shamans say that the "Original Buddha" Shakyamuni is the Demiurge or The Devil (called "Seokga").(In my personal opinion, The Devil is a mentally ill grey parrot or nightjar named "Horus" or "Silver" or "Polaris" who is crippled, sits in a wheelchair (he probably tried to castrate himself) and probably only responsible for 0.000001% of the evil in the world, because 99.99999% of it originates from the human heart.)<-- (here is a picture of the Devil's wife, she is the Queen of Birds & Queen of Insects)Imagine the frustration his wife (the Phoenix) has with him...>The Hymn of the Phoenix says: “I flew straight out of heaven, a mad bird full of secrets. I came into being as I came into being. I grew as I grew. I changed as I changed. My mind is fire, my soul is fire. I am the seed of every god, beautiful as evening, hard as light. I am the last four days of yesterday, four screams from the edges of the earth – beauty, terror, truth, madness – the phoenix on his pyre. I will live forever in the fire spun from my own wings. I destroy and create myself like the sun that rises burning from the East and dies burning in the West. To know the fire, I become the fire. I am power. I am light. I am forever. This is my deliverance. I am the fire that burns you, that burns in you. To live is to die a thousand deaths, but there is only one fire, one eternity.”"Wodan" is the mad bird.>Since reincarnation is a fact as well...People have seen dead relatives in Near Death Experiences. Better yet, Ghosts wouldn't exist if Reincarnation were real. Have you heard of "Anomalous transmissions of memories"? This is a reasonable explanation for both clairvoyance and claims of re-ensoulment. Dorothy Eady claimed to be a priestess from Ancient Egypt, but her life history indicates that she must have been "re-ensouled" after an accident when she was 3 years old.
>>17270645Did you even watch my video proving reincarnation is real? It's indisputable. The reason why ancestors seem to show up in the white light tunnel when you die it because aliens have created the white light tunnel and love bomb as a soul trap and those are imposters/not your family who is either reincarnated or waiting in "the Park" which is just a waiting world on the astral plane. You absolutely under no circumstances should go into the white light. If you enter it even a little bit it will suck you in and you'll end up being reincarnated with your memory wiped again, and you'll suffer, not having escaped samsara.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v79lVNKthCw
>>17270167>I'm better than godAnon.The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.You are a godin the great assembly.You are a light, in the vault of the sky, given the power to separate the day from the night, just as your creator did before you were born, in the beginning.Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.Rise up, O god, judge the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance
>>17270167it's a bear eat bear world out there
>>17270701God takes His stand in His own congregation; He judges in the midst of the rulers. How long will you judge unjustly And show partiality to the wicked? Selah. Vindicate the weak and fatherless; Do justice to the afflicted and destitute. Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.God say that shit not you.
>>17270703Bear, oh shit! Bear! Ay! hello ham!It has a my ham!Wet!Hi-Res.
>>17270733https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_(novel)
>>17270167Anon, it’s really hard for you to see how obvious your pride is to everyone else, and how damaging it is to you. You, like me, are not better than the limitless creator of the universe. You need to repent and turn to him for healing and salvation.
>>17270717A poem of gathering and collecting.Multiple will powers establish community of will power.Among the many will powers, there is judgment and healing.exhalt!The "you", does indeed judge righteousness, and where two or three gather in the definition of me, there is the ego, with them. Love your neighbor as yourself. All the nations belong to You.
>>17270884NO IT YOUR OPINION IN PSLAM ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT SHIT.
>>17270701>Naked self glorification You are a heretic.
>>17270897>GODI will - to - the - them - manyא - ל - ה - י - ם"You", are gods.Where two or three gather in my code, there I AM, with them.Speak to the entire assembly of those who spar with god, and say to them: ‘set yourself apart, because I, the Lord your God, am set apart.I AM the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of slavery. You shall have no other gods before ME.As you love Me, love your neighbor. All the nations belong to You.Ταλιθα κουμ
>>17270701>>17270717>>17270897>>17270932οὐρανῶν.They know nothing,they understand nothing.But still, dying, they will die.Youare a godsin the great assembly.You are lights, in the vault of Our Anon, given the power to separate the day from the night, just as the gardener of the vineyard did before you were born,in the conception.Defend the weak and the fatherless;uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.Rescue the weak and the needy;deliver them from the hand of the wicked.Ταλιθα κουμ, O gods, judge the earth,for all the nations belong to You.
>>17270932>hereticThe choice belongs to You.You are gods.
>>17270517>Cartesian omnipotence is the only definition of omnipotenceThere are two somewhat similar, but very distinct, things both called omnipotence: Cartesian omnipotence, which is where where God is capable of any string of words, including things like "make 1+1= Portugal", and Thomistic omnipotence, which points out that something like that doesn't even make enough sense to be a coherent proposition in the first place. (Source: https://www.pdcnet.org/pc/content/pc_2017_0019_0002_0455_0461)Scripture advocates Thomistic omnipotence, not Cartesian omnipotence. It says for instance in 2 Timothy 2:13 that God "cannot contradict himself". (source: https://studybible.info/Haweis/2%20Timothy%202:13). That's no quirk of translation, in the Greek it's directly "not able"! (Source: https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_timothy/2-13.htm)>The church is lying....about what? The definition of an English word with Latin roots, languages that aren't even in the Bible?
>>17270517>while Buddha has at least saved millions of peopleBuddha couldn't even save himself from suffering. Even Buddha suffered at the end. In the Maha-parinibbana Sutta(https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.16.1-6.vaji.html), Part 2, section 32 he says:"Now I am frail, Ananda, old, aged, far gone in years. This is my eightieth year, and my life is spent. Even as an old cart, Ananda, is held together with much difficulty, so the body of the Tathagata is kept going only with supports. It is, Ananda, only when the Tathagata, disregarding external objects, with the cessation of certain feelings, attains to and abides in the signless concentration of mind, that his body is more comfortable.">Since reincarnation is a fact as well...I see this video is from Gaia. The same people who make absolutely unhinged videos about Atlantis and other bizarre giga New Age ideas. They cite the research of Stevenson, whose approach was often basically just talking to children in cultures that believed in past lives and taking them being kids way too seriously. He wrote for instance:>"I found that the children often talked with strong emotions about the previous lives, and they sometimes behaved as if still living in the past life. For them it seemed still present, not past. For example, a child of low-caste parents who said that he remembered the life of a Brahmin would show snobbish behavior toward his own family and might even refuse to eat their food: from his perspective it was polluted. A child remembering a previous life as a person of the opposite sex might dress for that sex and play its games. One who remembered being shot would show a fear of guns and loud noises.(Source: https://www.carolbowman.com/dr-ian-stevenson/journeys-medicine-part-ii)Wow! A kid being afraid of guns and loud noises! A kid playing dress-up! A kid that's a picky eater! You've got me convinced this is powerful research for reincarnation here.
>>17270539>Then let's say on our scale our world will represent 1000 goodness units at its starting conditions when God created it. Why would God create a world starting with 1000 goodness units rather than 500 or 100000?Well as it talked about, to avoid any issues with infinities, God would need to directly improve the world to exactly the extent needed to ensure good could grow on its own: not more or less. So if it started with 1000 units of goodness that would mean that's the minimum you need for a self-growing system and beneath that it would stagnate.
>>17270199The fact you compare yourself to a polar bear is just incriminating yourself more.
>>17270833I tried and when I needed him most (when I was going through years of torture due to a mental illness), he did absolutely nothing. He lost his chance. Well, I just assume he doesn't exist anyway.
>>17270506It tarnishes the name of humanity to compare themselves to an omnipresent psychopath but it must be done to prove a point.At the very least, i definitely wouldnt wanna be in the same sentence as the guy who invented Hitler
>>17271724> I tried> he did absolutely nothingYou had no faith. Ask him for faith this time, remembering that faith is the gift of God.
>>17270199>He thinks animals are equal to humansLol. Animals are literally sub-human. Humans are superior to mere beasts of the land in every conceivable way it is just pitiful you think they are your equal.
>>17270494I have to add something.>It means goodness in the world as a whole. The fact that everyone will die and everything be destroyed one day doesn't stop that, since all good will be resurrected at the end, effectively meaning the quantity of good that exists in the world as a whole can never go downYou are basically saying I can kidnap a bunch of orphans, tie them up, douse them in gasoline, and light them on fire all while shouting at them that god is good because the universe is getting better in *most* places, when really the reason I would think god is good is because *I'm* not the one burning alive (or else I would be cursing god).By the way, are you one of those people who believes that god doesn't suffer? Because if god doesn't suffer, isn't he the most massive fucking hypocrite possible, forcing literally everybody else to suffer until they attain enlightenment after billions of years? I'd like to see him try to go through what I went through. He'd be cursing god, too, and concluding that suffering was the worst idea he ever invented.
>>17272011> Animals are literally sub-human. Humans are superior to mere beasts of the land in every conceivable wayMost dogs are better than most people.
>>17272004If I had asked my dad to fix my brain and he had a magic pill that could do it, do you think he would have said "no, you gotta get on your knees and beg and have faith that I'm gonna do it" and then after all that still not do it? Fuck no, he would just give me the pill because he ACTUALLY loves me. Is god retarded? Does he hate me? Because I did almost no bad things to anyone in my entire life. Any doctor who is motivated by helping people as opposed to money is better than god, because they actually help people. They deserve to have a god complex.
>>17272011>animal suffering doesn't count because it doesn'tanimals suffer you fucking braindead philosophical zombie. each of them has an identity. but let's look at some of the worst human suffering instead, due to satanists running amok:>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1y38N4LQiU&t=3217s
>>17272067Faith IS the magic pill that would fix your brain, as faith gives health. You didn’t/don’t have any. But the instant you do you will be healed.
>>17271079>if humans were 1% more likely to suffer from food poisoning from eating spoiled fruit, the world would stagnate and would never improveWhat a retarded argument. If this is what's required for you to believe in God, your belief is completely baseless.
>>17272113Anon and I were discussing the world at its starting conditions. A lot could happen to our world now without threatening the growth of good, hence God rarely taking direct action in it.
>>17272098Ok so even if having extreme faith in god would have worked and gotten me out of my chronic torture (why can't it grow back a limb, though?), I didn't *know* that so it was literally impossible for me to get out of that torture. God knew I didn't know that, yet sent no signs suggesting that faith worked (in fact I had a firsthand account of faith not working where some staff at my parents' business came over to pray for my dad when he was dying of cancer and they were really going at it (if you've ever heard black people pray it's fucking hilarious I almost had to leave the room). I prayed too, just in my own way, but also believing my dad's cancer would reverse because that's what the bible says to do. I lost faith when he continued to get worse and long story short my dad died despite everyone's prayers. I'll admit that he himself didn't pray because he didn't believe it would help, but shouldn't god have fucking told him it would help? I mean jesus is god a fucking retard or what? What good is a doctor who keeps his medicine locked away from most people? And again, why can't god grow back a limb?
>>17272064wrong>>17272085And their suffering is irrelevant.>muh babbiesand? The world isn't perfect. You deal with it. Man the fuck up fag
>>17272180> God knew I didn't know that, yet sent no signs suggesting that faith workedFaith is the gift of God, but if you lack faith it’s your fault. Simple as
Is a kid touching a burning stove evil? No, it hurts for a moment but now the kid learned not to touch a hot stove. He learned and grew from that point in suffering. So why do you say all suffering is bad?>Go stab yourself in the eyesNot an argument and that is also false equivalence. Stop lashing out from your emotions.
>>17272271Ok I invite you to put out some bait and trap a small animal near your house and then douse it in gasoline and light it on fire since their suffering doesn't matter at all. How much would I need to pay you for you to do it? I'm not going to pay you to do it, I'm just curious at to how cruel you are. And who the fuck is a person as cruel as you to lecture ME on god and the morality of the universe?>muh babiesYou may as well just become a satanist, dude, because if you don't care about infants getting RAPED to DEATH then the only people more evil than you are the ones who actually do it. Oh wait! I remember now why you don't care about babies. It's because you've observed that GOD doesn't care about babies! Since god is always right and good and truth and hoolyyy is hiisss naameeee ohhh pleeaassse foorrgiiivee ouurrr siinnnsss fooreevver and evverrrr (but nobody talk about his sins), the suffering of the innocent doesn't matter at all! What a wonderful world we live in everybody!My intelligent conclusion:-There is no god-Reality does not love you-Reality has no mercy-Watch your fucking back>>17272334And what about Asians before christianity reached them who didn't know about the christian god? When they got sick they prayed to Buddha, but you're saying they were supposed to have faith in YOUR deity of choice and it's their fault they didn't know about him? You're a grade A retard.
>>17272357If the suffering part of the kid learning not to touch stoves was good, you would want to stay in that suffering forever. In an ideal world, god could just put the knowledge into your head to not touch hot stoves without you having to suffer to learn it.
>>17272378> And what about Asians before christianity reached them who didn't know about the christian god?Luke 12:47-4847 The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.John 9:40-4140 Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?” 41 Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.
>>17270167>suffering = badNuh uh.
>>17272378>Ok I invite you to put out some bait and trap a small animal near your house and then douse it in gasoline and light it on fire since their suffering doesn't matter at all>If you don't care about animals that means you want to torture themCool projection. Again indifference doesn't mean hate. Why is it MY job to fix every problem in the world? >watch your backOh really, you going to come find me? Your schzio drug addicted ass can't even hold a job and can barely function without your Doctor. Can you even drive? lol.>the suffering of the innocent doesn't matter at allYes. If you are suffering work harder to fix your problems.>What a wonderful world we live in everybodyYes. I can look outside and see a beautiful day. The good always outweigh the bad no matter how many straw mans you pull out of your ass.>>17272382>If the suffering part of the kid learning not to touch stoves was good, you would want to stay in that suffering foreverFalse premise. So do you believe kids should never learn anything at all? Learning is beneficial you dullard.
>>17272395>If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sinSo an Asian child missing a leg is not guilty of sin because they don't know about the christian god. So the christian god should give them their leg back. he didn't give them their leg back, but claims he could have, thus he doesn't want to. thus he is evil (I think he's an evil alien actually because multiple aliens have told us this about yahweh).>>17272492you are too stupid to reason with. I could sit here disproving everything you said for the umpteenth time and you would backpedal and weasel your way out of needing to respond logically. You also thought "watch your fucking back" was directed at you specifically when it obviously was meant as a general rule everybody should follow because, as I said, reality doesn't love you. Also I will address one point. I don't care if the good outweighs the bad. THERE SHOULD BE NO BAD YOU FUCKING RETARD. Because there IS bad, there is no god. Throw away your bible you fucking baby
>>17272603>WAHHH WAHHH LIFE ISN'T PERFECT WAHHHHBoo fucking Hoo. Again you want a better world? you fix it yourself. Pull yourself up by the bootstraps and get to work making changes rather than crying about it.
>>17272894You keep saying "fix it yourself" and "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" like some 60 year old boomer who got a $100k salary in 1960s dollars with a mediocre resume, a firm handshake, and eye contact. Not to psychoanalyze or anything. Idk if this is the thread where I gave this lecture already, and you might even be the same thick-headed retard from my other thread, but I think I've already explained something (which it's clear to me 99.99% of people can't fucking comprehend): Sometimes it is IMPOSSIBLE TO FIX IT YOURSELF. We are beings of LIMITED POWER. I'm not god. I have chronic pain that even the smartest doctors in the world at UPenn can't solve. Unless they can fix it, I'm killing myself. But some people CAN'T kill themselves even if they wanted to to get out of persistent pain. This is why I support MAID while the batshit insane churches still promote suffering, just like when they were burning people alive in the name of the holy lord oh so holy is his name oh lordy lord yeah fuck those people.>inb4 muh "mysterious ways"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viXRVfiVkBw
>>17273004Then you fix yourself to something that is manageable and you can find content you crippled retard. It is called compromise.>If I can't be perfect it isn't worth it.Then kill yourself since you will NEVER be perfect and neither will this world.
>>17270167>If I were godBut you aren't lol. And being better or worse isn't about performative statements, but actions.The very fact that you think holding an idiotic and saccharine opinion in a hypothetical scenario means anything is hysterically funny in and of itself, but it is actually funnier than that: You hold this opinion EXPRESSLY because you live in a violent, chaotic and horrific nightmare-reality. The product of God's cruelty is that it creates people so desperate to escape cruelty that they would even discard justice and revenge in pursuit of peace.If you don't understand it yet, consider that if you had simply known nothing but pleasure your entire life, for eternity, you would likely be a totally unthinking monster. If your entire existence were defined by pleasure, the ABSENCE of infinite joy would be like being skinned alive, you would have no morality because you would never have encountered any moral dilemma. You would have no empathy because you would never have had to empathize with anyone. You would be an anaesthatized demon, harmless only so long as your infinite pleasure state remained intact.God is obviously not interested in amoral chia pets, or he would've stock with redwood trees and fungus. He wants agents, beings with agency who CHOOSE righteousness. This is really the only explanation, and sure you could say like "hurr durr free will is cope" or whatever but you yourself are proof that I'm right.
>>17272357Sure but I’m not talking about a kid touching a stove. I’m talking about heinous evils like murder and rape that have permanent consequences, can destroy someone psychologically and takes away people’s freedom and agency.
If God is good, and created good, God is also evil, and created evil. If God created everything, God created evil. If God didn't create evil, God didn't create everything, thus God is not God.
>>17273178the voice of reason
>>17270167>Every sentient being who has ever experienced torture throughout all time has experienced it because god wanted them to.very incorrecti assume by torture you mean inflicting pain on an individual and causing him/her severe pain/agony thats done by humans exercising their free will, not "God wanting them to"also, people cause suffering on themselves all the time (ie going to the gym, fasting, going on nofap, etc.) because they reap benefits from such practices, while they would regress and become lethargic if they had comfortable 0 problems lifestyle 24/7, which would in fact be more akin to hell than heaven
>>17273253I literally posted a picture proving you wrong. You said humans cause all torture. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>17273178>If light is bright, and created brightness, light is also dark, and created darkness.
>>17273064These things are still only a moment relative to eternity.
>>17273517Light is one end of a spectrum, dark is the other. God is the one that binds the two together.
>>17273517>god is good and can only create good>therefore bad doesn't exist>therefore both happiness and suffering are good>I think I'll go stab my eyes out with a knife in that case>Wait that would hurt and that would be bad>Fuck you god only creates good stuff! reeeeee
>>17270170Free will is a meme.God already knew how you were going to act and he is/was evidently okay with it.>>17273517I swear half of you christfags are closet-zoroastrians. God doesn't represent the "light", he is literally everything abstract and concrete and that includes Lucifer as well.
>>17273528>bindsI did not come to bring peace, but a sword. God saw that the light was good, and he separated...
>>17273610>he is literally everythingThat would be the cosmos.the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.Hovering over.
>>17273544>bad doesn't exist"Bad" is a shadow. Light creates brightness. Objects creat shadows by blocking the light.You stabbing your eyes out is an objection to the light. An accusation against God.
>>17270167>nature is a merciless meat grinder.>If I were godThere was a group of men in a war, and they came up to a mine field. Our Anon said to them, "who here wants to be king? Feel free to lead the way". There was a man among them who thought of himself as a God, so he stepped forward, and exploded. "JESUS CHRIST!" Exlaimed the soldiers, as blood and flesh splattered onto their faces. Our Anon said, "Your way has been made straight by the king" and the soldiers followed the LORD, single file, through the field of mines.
>>17270167>natureIf the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful.the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering overGod saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.God is not the cosmos. He is out of this world.
>>17273610>he is literally (Literarily) everything abstract and concreteAs the word.Not as the flesh.When the word became flesh, it was crucified. God is the word/code, not the cosmos.
>>17273544>bad doesn't existChaff does exist, and God hovers over it with his winnowing fork.
>>17273544>>I think I'll go stab my eyes out with a knife in that case>>Wait that would hurt and that would be badNo, the fact that it hurts when you stab yourself with a knife is good, because it dissuades you from injuring yourself.
>>17273544You are a fucking child. Your mindset is no different than "if water is so good why aren't you drinking water 100% of the time hmmm?"No wonder you need to see a therapist.
>>17273929>>17275006>>17275354Fill in the blanks:1. Extreme happiness is extremely good2. Weak happiness is weakly good3. Extreme suffering is extremely bad4. Weak suffering is __________You are all saying "weakly good" but that displays poor pattern recognition skills. You are forced to say this because you believe sky man doesn't let bad things happen to you despite all the bad things that have happened to you. You ignorantly label them as "soul-building" or good for some reason without evidence. What if suffering is soul-degrading? You don't even know. As for extreme suffering, that hasn't happened to any of you because if it did you would lose faith like I did. Buddhism is the superior religion because Buddhists sometimes actually attain nirvana, but at the very least they make progress towards it.
>>17275500>I can only see in black and whiteBuddhism is a weak religion. No wonder you are attracted to it. You want everyone else to do all the work for you, scare to get your own hands dirty, scared to break a sweat. Pathetic. Pol Pot was wrong in many ways but he was right to force you layabouts to actually do something for once in that entire religions history.
>>17273507>I literally posted a picture proving you wrong. you posted a picture of animal eating another animal, no God involved>You said humans cause all torture.another incorrect point for you, you are on a rolli never said that, i said torture happens when humans exercise their free will and inflict pain/suffering on others
>>17275500Give solid definitions of what each of those are. Because I can easily say "weak suffering" is just doing a workout. And exercise is good for the body.
>>17276077ok so i hit you and you give hit you more nigger?
>>17273944god creats the world to hate you so god hate you too nigger.
>>17270936you are not god nigger. Gods is pagan god before yahweh do say that shit.
>>17275006it is bad because it hurt you. Some people kill themself and make people die for them is good too?like serial killer
>>17276085so i behead your shit christcuck is good too. it just a work out to make your nigger christcuk closer your nigger god?
>>17276077>Buddhism is a weak religion"The ultimate fruition of the tögal practices is a body of pure light and the dissolution of the physical body at death, this is called a rainbow body. If the four visions of tögal are not completed before death, then during death, from the point of view of an external observer, the dying person starts to shrink until he or she disappears or "vanishes into light". Usually fingernails, toenails and hair are left behind (see e.g. Togden Ugyen Tendzin, Ayu Khandro, Changchub Dorje). The attainment of the rainbow body is typically accompanied by the appearance of lights and rainbows around the body. Exceptional practitioners are held to realize a higher type of rainbow body without leaving behind "the hair or fingernails" or dying, a state named the Rainbow Body of Great Transference. Having completed the four visions before death, the individual focuses on the lights that surround the fingers. His or her physical body self-liberates into a non-material body of light (a Sambhogakāya) with the ability to exist and abide wherever and whenever as pointed by one's compassion."Tell me again how your philosophy or religion is better than Vajrayana Buddhism?>>17276083you literally said that. maybe you didn't mean that, but you don't know how to talk if so. so you admit animals torture other animals. who created the universe that set this carnage in motion? also you're a retard for thinking torture can only happen to humans because of other humans. there are plenty of sick people in this world with excruciating pain. I was one of them. if there is a god, all good and bad things are god's fault. if there is no god, most suffering is no one's (nature's) fault but some suffering is due to free will. I assume there wouldn't exist a god that would torture me for years, so I assume there is no god.
>>17276085Why do you people keep making me repeat myself? If you could walk into a gym, push a button, feel no pain, and get a beautiful body, you would do it without a second thought. The reward without the suffering is better than the reward with the suffering. This is why the Buddhist goal of escaping suffering forever is the smartest goal, with every other goal being completely pointless unless it's instrumental to that one.
>>17271068>"Now I am frail, Ananda, old, aged, far gone in years. This is my eightieth year, and my life is spent. Even as an old cart, Ananda, is held together with much difficulty, so the body of the Tathagata is kept going only with supports. It is, Ananda, only when the Tathagata, disregarding external objects, with the cessation of certain feelings, attains to and abides in the signless concentration of mind, that his body is more comfortable."nigger buddha say his body is shit know only that thing can help his body feel good. Do you think you achieve nivarna make your body don't fucking wicked? if his body is not wicked is can live in 100years or more and die like shit.
>>17275500>1. Extreme happiness is extremely goodWhy?>2. Weak happiness is weakly goodWhy?>3. Extreme suffering is extremely badWhy?If you could be hooked up to a machine that constantly triggered all the pleasure centers of your brain until you died, would that be extremely good?Not all forms of pleasure are intrinsically good, and not all pain is intrinsically bad.>>17276181Stabbing yourself is harmful, but the pain that results from stabbing yourself is good. This is because the instinct to avoid physical pain prevents injuries and keeps you alive and healthy.>>17276191>The reward without the suffering is better than the reward with the suffering.Wrong. The harder you work to achieve something, the more rewarding it feels. The struggle to achieve a goal is what enables that pleasurable and exciting feeling once the challenge is finally overcome.There have been psychological studies on this topic.>This is why the Buddhist goal of escaping suffering forever is the smartest goalEscape samsara if that's what you want. But you will suffer in the attempt to free yourself from suffering, and that's what makes the pursuit so liberating.
>>17276230>Stabbing yourself is harmful, but the pain that results from stabbing yourself is good. This is because the instinct to avoid physical pain prevents injuries and keeps you alive and healthy.no nigger chriscuck only say god creat god not bad. And answer me serial killer kill many people is good too? because god creat only good.
>>17276230>Wrong. The harder you work to achieve something, the more rewarding it feels nigger please. This is unfair in this shit even if you nigger can do more harder you want if you don't belive god you go to hell. Chriscuck think like.
>>17276235>>17276243Were you drunk when you posted this? Your typing is slurred lmao. And it would explain why you couldn't engage with any of my points.I'm not a christian, so I'm not under any obligation to believe God can only create good. But judging from other threads I've read, I assume the ones ITT would argue serial killers chose to be murderers, so their evil nature can be dismissed as a product of Free Will™
>>17273526>rape and murder is fine because time is infinitetop fucking kek
>>17276243>>17276198>>17276184>>17276152Shitskin moment. Stop being poor and brain damaged
>>17276671shitskin? that is you nigger chriscuck view.If we kill more christcuck they will go heaven more and more.
>>17276185>Tell me again how your philosophy or religion is better than Vajrayana Buddhism?It is called reality. So the ultimate goal of Buddhism is to kill yourself? Great. You can order a rainbow light off Amazon and then shoot yourself. Super easy
>>17276198Buddha was suffering. This was at the end of his life, his final days, and still he suffered. He couldn't even free himself from suffering. I assure you that he hasn't done for millions, as the anon claimed, what he couldn't even do for himself.
>>17272492>Cool projection. Again indifference doesn't mean hate. Why is it MY job to fix every problem in the world?That in and of itself is a projection. You're a bigger schizo than the other anon is, you just don't realize it yet. Frankly, I wouldn't trust you around kids or small animals.
>>17270170The world is an awful place even if you take ''free will'' out of the equation. The amount of suffering caused by supposedly ''free agents'' is a fraction of the amount of suffering caused by disease and predation, which are baked in the system. So your religion makes no fucking sense either way.
>>17270167>God wanted this>why?>b-because I said so, okay?
>>17276714Learn English before posting in your shitty vernacular.
>>17276235>all suffering is equal>all pleasure is equalRetard still can only think in nalck and white. Maybe talk to your brain doctor about this.
>>17270167Gods aren't omnipotent. Also, there are billions of them. And they likely compete just as hard with each other as we do, if not harder. Go back to your tendies & tranime now.
You have snarkBark and bark
>>17276995he don't suffer you nigger dumb. His body is suffer not his mind. you nigger. He say his body is suffer. it's the truth about birth, old age, sickness and death of buddhism. Every buddhist know that truth they accept you nigger dumb.
That small bear would have no qualms about crushing your spine with its jaws and eating you alive
>>17279909Esl retard can't speak English how sad
>>17279939dont know anythign i said i say esl you lost argument.
>>17279966You can't make an argument and you can't speak English correctly. Brown nigger
>>17279998you don't know shit about buddhism so stfu.
>>17279909If you want to quibble about the word "suffering", then take it as "Buddha couldn't even liberate himself from losing vigor and vitality due to external factors". If my body sends me unpleasant feedback that detracts from my efforts in some way I count that as suffering, and this happened with Buddha.Also I am not the guy posting >>17279939, I don't use slurs like whoever that is
>>17280221And I don't want to learn about your shitskin religion.
