Would Calhoun have made a good president?
>>17270593no
>>17270593No, he would have made a good corpse hanging from a scaffold.
>>17270593yeah>>17270624>>17270726fags
>>17270593Best ever probably
>>17270726I wish that the civil war had started under his presidency. That way the Upper South would have been able to stay out of it and the Lower South would have gotten fucked up.
>>17270593No. I will concede, however, he would have been a better president than T*ler>>17270726SPBP
>>17271711How would Andrew Jackson have handled a civil war?
>>17271811Swiftly defeat the insurgency and personally kill every general and politician that led it
>>17270593Unironically, yes, because he had the greatest chance of making Clay's American nationalism of internal improvements a reality while appeasing the South simultaneously.>>17271803>better than TylerAbsolutely retarded take. Tyler was the epitome of what the presidency should be - a stone wall stemming the tide of the masses autistic screeching
>>17271803>>17271974Tyler is probably the most interesting out of all the obscure presidents, at least imo
>>17271974How do you think Calhoun's presidency would go then? What do you think would be the long-term impact?
>>17272101Based. Buchanan pulls a close second just in terms of the length of his career overall but pales in comparison to all the crazy shit you get with Tyler, like the gun boat incident.>>17272117He'd be one-termed for sure, but if he actually stuck to his pre-civil war chimpout over slavery policies and ramrodded some nationalist infrastructure bills through Congress I think there's a chance he manages to turn the South onto the reality that industry was the way of the future. Honestly, if he accomplished nothing else besides making a dent in the plantation-focused economy of the South and made the future-Confederate states realize that they had to adopt some degree of industry to stay competitive with the North I think the ACW would have played out very, very differently. McCormick, of Mccormick reaper fame, the machine that literally made mass-agriculture in the midwest possible, was originally from Virginia and he tried to get his factory started in Virginia, but it was so technologically backwards he ended up going to the North (I think to Mass. or something, but I forget exactly) and then mass-producing them out west in like Ohio or Iowa. Had Virginia and the rest of the South (or atleast the Carolina's and Georgia) been able to match that push for technological progress they could have at least parried some of the North's advantages in pumping out war materials. But instead the only major Iron Works to supply the South was a single fucking factory in Richmond, and the cross-state railroad gauges (thanks to no uniform system) absolutely butt-fucked Lee's chances of moving troops around the way Lincoln could through Halleck. If Lee could have realistically gone on the offensive faster than his men could march, or even if they were just properly fucking supplied with clothes and food, the ACW would have played out very, very differently. Calhoun was probably the South's only hope, on a presidential level, of ever leveling that playing field.
>>17271892Kino
>>17271974Tyler's based in my book for veto'ing the bank recharter and having the whigs completely lose their minds. Annexing texas was probably stupid though, but I guess the american people agreed because they voted for polk
>>17272185we missed out on the best possible timeline wtf
>>17272410>muh bankRetarded take. The Bank was, and always will be, fundamentally a keystone to the countries success. >b-b-b-but muh private bankers JP Morgan personally intervened in 1907 to keep the economy from sinking into a Depression. You're a fucking retard if you think The Bank/Fed is worse than that.>annexing Texas was stupidTexas being annexed was inevitable. And even if Polk had done it instead of Tyler it would have had the same result. Southerners were going to nail themselves to the cross of nigger-breeding no matter what. >they voted for PolkBecause Clay was so consistently high on his own farts he refused, and I mean absolutely REFUSED, to listen to anyone who tried to show him the reality of the political climate every fucking time he ran.>>17272422Based. The plantation oligarchy of the Old South that settled Virginia refusing to give up even an inch of power as they watched their young men leave en masse for literally any other western state where they didn't have an iron grip was the Confederacy's death ringing in the winds before the Confederacy was even a twinkle in the eyes of its Founders. If Jeff Davis and co. hadn't been so molded to their forefathers ways and followed Washington's example of keeping slavery while lowkey industrializing (see George's distillery and gristmill) they could have carved out their own nation, but instead they clung to a dying institution of endless nigger-breeding that had no place in the 19th century.
>>17272660>The Bank was, and always will be, fundamentally a keystone to the countries success.there was no central bank in the united states in the gilded age when the biggest growth in the country's history happened. You can argue it's beneficial to a country but it is not a keystone for success
>>17272792>gilded age had the most growth because no bankNegative IQ faggots like you are the reason we live in clown world
>>17272185But would the Civil War have even happened if the South had started to industrialize that early?
>>17272877Yes, because the South was built upon a bedrock of slave/indentured labor and focused around the plantation system (not a plantation as in the cotton-growing, mint julep-sipping, big front porch meme but a plantation as the heart of the Southern towns economy where the plantation owner acts as the intermediary between farmer and British merchant). Industrialization in the South would have followed that same basic mold straight through, considering even post-war the sharecropper system was the same thing. The only ways I see the ACW not happening is a) the South is founded on the same notions as the Northeast, b) they never mass-import indentured labor, black or white, or c) they actually voluntarily rid themselves of slavery early on. Otherwise, the war is inevitable so long as Southern oligarchs, and the rising classes of young men looking to be like them (Andrew Jackson, Jeff Davis, etc.), exists.
>>17272978See picrel for what I mean by "a plantation" at the heart of the Southern towns economy. It's a light read.
>>17270726As a Jackson fan, I'm inclined to agree
>>17270593John Jay would have been a better President than Calhoun
>>17273696That seems like a fairly random comparison
>>17273696>the guy whose dogshit treaty nearly cost Washington his administration would have been better a member of the TriumvirateI just know you have no logical reason for saying such a retarded thing.
>>17270593Yes>>17270726Jacksoniggers seething as usual
>>17274532I figured you would've liked Andrew Jackson
>>17270624>t. yankee
>no second Adams administration >no Calhoun administration >no Clay administration>no DeWitt Clinton (picrel) administration >no Winfield Scott administrationIt fucking hurts bros...
>>17270593No
>>17276790>no Tilden administration>no Bryan administration>no second Taft administration>no third TR administration>no MacArthur administration>no 1960 Nixon administration>no second Carter administration>no Perot administration
>>17277846>no Tilden administrationSenate ruled the country, as evidenced by Hayes>no Bryan administrationRetarded populist >no second Taft administrationVGH>no third TR administrationVGH>no MacArthur administrationIN THIS HOUSE, HARRY TRUMAN IS A HERO. END OF STORY.>no 1960 Nixon administrationVGH>no second Carter administrationYeah poor us, no more deregulation that led to giant megastores killing small town USA. What a fucking shame. Carter was unironically worse than Reagan>no Perot administrationRetard who went schizo and thought Bush actually gave enough of a fuck to mess with him lmfao
>>17276790>>17277846>no Huey Long administration
>>17278581Perot would not have realistically been much different from Clinton, other than not having the guts to tell the Serbs to sit down. NAFTA was likely inevitable, and the Republican Revolution would have happened either way.
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