How would you pacify Germany enough so that it doesn't start WW2?
>>17271099Kill all extremist political figures. Hitler, Nazis, communists, all dead.
>>17271099Divide it up to zones, have the poles, the frogs, the brits and the low countries and the italians manage them. Same with austria-hungary except the zones would be given to poles, czechs, slovaks, romanians, serbs and gypsies
>>17271099First move, don't let the french backslide on the promise the germans got before putting down armssecondly, as anon above note, help germans put down communist revolutionaries as to not legitimate freicorps
>>17271099Invade Germany in 1936 after they broke Versailles armament limits.
>>17271125>french government collapses when arch-conservatives and communists start a civil warwhat now
>>17271099Kill anyone who gangstalks people and terrorizes, abuses, harasses, threatens etc them for playing video games. If people could just play video games in peace ww2 wouldn't have happened but the retarded tranny nigger gangstalkers want to make life hell
>>17271111shalom
>>17271127You cant say that for sure. Also this would stop Holocaust so any attempt is worth trying.
Make Slavshits give back all the lands they stole peacefully.
>>17271099Only take the colonies away, let them unify with austria (including south tyrol & the sudetenland), but force it to become a confederate state again split up in about 15 statelets so none can dominate the other and they can never agree on anything also don't give the Reichspraesident that much powerIt will please the moderates while preventing an extremist power grab.
>>17271111>Shoot this random german soldier for no discernible reason.Ok Mr. Hindsight.>>17271130How would have felt if you didn't have dinner today?
>>17271111NSDAP didnt exist yet moron. Ludendorff laid the foundations for them anyway since he was the one pushing the whole 'stab in the back' narrative
>>17271168You've basically made Germany bigger than they were before the war, in a war they lost, with the sole assumption that they wont change their constitution sometime in the future.As an allied politician, how are you going to answer to your country who just lost millions of their own citizens to win this fight by practically giving Germany winning conditions.There was a reason war reparations on Germany were so heavy: Because 90% of the war had been fought on allied territory/waters.There was also a reason why Germany was restricted from absorbing neighbouring countries; because they were still a dominant power in central Europe, the entire war would have been redundant because the allies lose under your conditions. Germany is stronger than she was before and can start a war under a position of strength that can defeat the allies or at least inflict millions of casualties again if she seeks revanchism, something they are anticipated to do since that's been the result of nearly every war.The crux of this debate is that 'Harsh Versailles' was a NSDAP propaganda, and later a British post-war propaganda myth. It wasnt harsh in context and the conditions were gradually relaxed. WW2 cant be avoided if Germany has no will, responsibility or agency themselves to preserve the peace. WW2 did not even start over the pretext of 'Harsh Versailles'. it started because a radical ideological government had imperialistic ambitions far beyond the restrains of Versailles, that conflicted with the current hegemony who sought to maintain the status quo
>>17271099Occupy germany and treat germans like the conquered losers they were. Political extremism in germany rose due to the belief that germans were somehow winning. A few german cities needed to be bomb and germany needs to be occupied and micromanaged for a few years for the continent to have peace
>>17271099Status quo ante bellum
>>17271199I'm from a neutral country, so I don't careBesides, Germany lost all it's colonies so it's not like you can sell it as a win for them. If you'd like you can have plebiscite in all regions of I mentioned instead, so they'll lose a little land and we can all pretend wilsons points count for somethingreparations were to harsh, even the entente believed this hence why they didn't have to paid back in full, but the high number still helped german extremists propagandaand you can simply write in the german constitution that it can only be changed when at least 75% of the delegates of every single bundesland agree on changing it, which will simply never happen, remember even Hitler only got 43% of the vote
>>17271296Meh, I am from a 'neutral' european country as well, and I think very few people are personally invested in this debate, but you have to be absolutely insane not to see the problems of your suggestion from an allied perspective after everything they've gone through to achieve their victory, the cost in human and material. I can absolutely understand why they werent quick to 'reward' Germany with territory from A-H just because Germans speakers live there and just because there MIGHT be a politician in the future that threatens to start a second war if his pan-Germanistic visions arent met and you're supposed to appease and accommodate this already in 1919.It makes no sense. The war was too costly to give Germany a slap-on-the-wrist peace, which would have been to just take their third-rate dirt colonies while simultaniously rewarding them with further continental powerThe problem with Versailles was also that it wasnt one coherent party, it was 3 parties with completely different interests. The US wanted to end imperial fighting hence self-determination, but the US was the weakest party during the negotiation since their contribution to victory was more limited.France interest was to do whatever could be done to weaken Germany.Britains interest was to preserve a continental balance of power.All of these 3 interests conflicted with each others. Your proposal isnt realistic because it will dramatically contradict the will of the other partiesNSDAP was not even a political force to be reckoned with by the time the British and Americans decided to dramatically lower war repatriation in conjunction with the German economy, yet NSDAP was riding on the propaganda anyway. Like I said before, the responsibility to preserve peace isnt just on the allies, its also on GermanyAgain, you're asking that politicians in 1919 take hindsight into consideration. Hitler got enough influence to change the constitution.
>>17271296>>17271336I'm OP and I'm from America, we have to make a League of Nations trust me on this
>>17271258The UK could not bother with helping greece against turkey or smack down a rebellion in Ireland and you expect them to occupy Germany for multiple decades?
>>17271130Jews and video games will always be natural enemies, just like indians and toilets
>>17271099Same partition, Bring Back the Monarchy plus Add Austria to Germany as it was meant to in 1919 and have the terms be less harsh while also having a permanent American and British Peacekeeping force to stamp out far right and Communist Radicals as Wilson intended.
>>17271099Death penalty for Hindenburg and Ludendorff. Social democrats don't protect the right wing thugs.
>>17272630>Death penalty for Hindenburg and LudendorffLmao tetardWhy
>>17271099Give Poland to (ideally not communist) Russia so that there is always a really strong country right on Germany's border that can fuck it up if they break any of their treatiesSort of an 1848 situation
>>17271099NOT Force them into War!Not Force them to pay France billions of RM'sNOT assemble armies near their Border.NOT send Millions of US $$ and GB Lbs to boost up the NAZI PartyUK were the Main people starting That Warthen France with their 'repairation payments'Then Soviet Russia - They were almost ready to attack when Opertation Barbarossa started.US - We helped UK fund the Nazi partyThen UK offered US all the scientists for our help in defeating Germany!this was a Giant conspiracy - If you know ANYTHING about it!#1 way to 'pacify Germany':- Leave them TF alone!
>>17271199>There was a reason war reparations on Germany were so heavy: Because 90% of the war had been fought on allied territory/waters.THAT happens while you're LOOSING a War, France!- next time don't keep Loosing, dip-shits!>>17271199>'Harsh Versailles' was a NSDAP propaganda, and later a British post-war propaganda myth.MYTH? BS!It directly pushed Germany towards the NSDAP - the only ones who coul/would help the people!>>17271296>reparations were to harsh, even the entente believed this hence why they didn't have to paid back in full, but the high number still helped german extremists propagandathe western world was going through the Great depression.It was the Worst in Germany!US & Germany should have allied, instead og UK!I really think it was mainly cause we nearly have a common language.Germans were Smarter, better industry, more upright people (in general, mostly), & the Best Scientists in the World, butWe didn't even make use of the Smartest man in the World:- Nikola Tesla -USA just let him rot to death wile being illegally Watched by the FBI!- Imagine if we could have Gotten Tesla together with the German Scientists by 1933? ...or 1926 even?We WOULD HAVE Flying Cars!
Versailles treaty worked. It fucked up German ability to build up a strategic reserve of men to call in case of mobilization, ensuring they would lose in a war of attrition.
>>17274050>Versailles treaty worked. It fucked up German ability to build up a strategic reserve of men to call in case of mobilization, ensuring they would lose in a war of attrition.NoNo it did not!-read a book! In < 20years they had the strongest military in Europe - Again!So....WTF are you thinking?
>>17274024>It directly pushed Germany towards the NSDAPIt didn't. NSDAP was irrelevant until 1930. >>17274057You seem very uneducated, sorry.
>>17271161>stop the holocaustwhy would anyone do that?
>>17271099Break it into smaller states like Bavaria or Pommerania. Be sure to make the states different along religious and political lines but put the minority in charge--Protestant nobility ruling over Catholic peasantry in Bavaria as an example.
>>17274351>>stop the holocaust>why would anyone do that?because - not a Psycho...You are a Psychopath aren't you?
