Was it really such a good idea to oppose Hitler and start WWII? What were the advantages of engaging in the military conflict? The number of casualties was mind boggling. Was it worth it?
Not opposing Hitler meant the invasion of Britain, which would have killed millions more, and the total destruction of the British state. It would have caused a massive Battle of the Atlantic, which the US would have eventually solved with nuclear weapons. Most of Europe would have burned and be permanently radioactively damaged for the rest of time.Hitler wanted war, Hitler wanted war in the UK, and Hitler wanted war in the US later. There is no negotiating with that sort of person.
>>17273568Aren't you exaggerating a bit? Would 6 millions Jews die? 20 million Russkies?
>>17273563What kind of cuck wants to give up their sovereignty to live under another country’s domination
>>17273574yes? all those people would have been killed by Hitler in his ethnic population replacement campaign. And about a third of britian, about 15,000,000 more people.
>>17273574Hitler explicitly wanted to kill all Russians. Why wouldn't those 20 million Russians die? He said they wanted them dead and was doing it very efficiently in occupied areas.
>>17273568>Hitler would magically invade Britain, except he can’t because SeaLion would have been a failure, but he was on the cusp of doing so unless we declare war on him ???>>17273591So what? We are killing Russians today.
>>17273591>Hitler explicitly wanted all Russians to die.No he didn't. >He said he wanted them deadRevolutionary, you should definitely show proof of this explicit desire to wipe out all Russians because you'd be the first.>Doing it very efficiently in occupied areas.I suppose we have a very different idea of what constitutes efficient then, given all the millions who seemed to survive the entirety of the German occupation which apparently, according to you, came to those lands with the explicit purpose of wiping every single person out.
Like most wars, the allies believes it would going to be an easy win.Even the German command thought they didnt stand a chance against Britain and France. Halders plan was essentially a repeat of t he 1914 invasion and Command anticipated that at least 1 million German soldiers would die in the campaign.And honestly, had they attacked with the main thrust through Belgium like German Command planned, they would have walked straight into the main allied force.Germany was eager to attack the west once war had been declared because they knew with every passing month, the scale tips in the favor of the allies as they are rearming and mobilizing the manpower, resources, production and material of their two vast colonial empires. This, while Germany becomes increasingly weaker from the allied blockade, especially in terms of importing food, oil and iron, the last one being the most critical in early 1940 which forced the Norwegian campaign. Hitler wanted to attack France already in October 1939 once it was clear that his "peace offers" towards Britain and France were rejected, but German command insisted that they needed more time to recover from the Polish campaign, and winter / early spring was not a feasible time to attack.What German command feared the most was a potential allied bombing campaign, since the main german industry in the Ruhr was very close to allied airfields and could be attacked with little warning, German industry could be crippled already early in the war.Again, the allied declaration of war was made with the assumption that Germany could be confidently defeated. British and French soldiers would brace behind strong French fortifications while Germany is starved and bombed into submission. Even the German military acknowledged that they were the severe underdog.It was rather Britains refusal to surrender in 1940 that begs the question whether fighting on would be worth the cost, since at this point all knew the war would be long and costly.
>>17273563What was the guarantee that Hitler wouldn't have invaded the UK or France after Poland?
>>17273563>The number of casualties was mind boggling.Get your facts straight, Britain and US each had 10:1 K/D ratio against Germans; their population didn't even drop by 1%. Two chimpanzees that started the war by partitioning Poland were genociding each other.
>>17273802UK lost somewhere around 450k.Germany lost close to 8 million.
>>17273802Have you heard of Holocaust?
>>17273563>What were the advantages of engaging in the military conflict? just look at the absolute state of the US, UK, and france, it's almost as if they actually lost the war
>>17273563>Why didn't they just do whatever Hitler wanted? thread number 3784
>>17273956You don't negotiate with terrorists.
>>17273563do uk, france and us look as if they won the war? didn't think so
>>17273985They would surely look better if ruled by German psychopaths kek(or they would be the same if Germans turned out to be too weak to influence them)
>>17274000they sure look good now don't they
>>17274002Post-grave influence of German "welfare state" ideas don't help.
>>17273636>invade Britain>SealionThe vague (at the time) possibility of a Nazi invasion of the British isles did not cause Britain to declare war on Germany. The attack on Poland did. War was declared in 1939, not 1940.
>>17274006joomed world doesn't help either
>>17274019Would they demand from Britain to turn in her Jews to them if they ruled over the continent? Under the threat of invasion?
>>17274034idk anon, I can't see alternative realities, but hopefully, the internati9nal media and banking jewery would be dismantled, nazis were pretty crazy, so who knows what would have replaced it, but one can be more than sure that removing those two poisons humanity woul win, think nazis didn't were in the position to rule the world themselves, but they would have a strong position, all in all trading psicho 1 for psicho 2, but pischo 1 is not a good one, that's for sure
>>17273967>I hate the world today>So I am going to project it onto a historical debateWhy are you braindead faggots like this?
>>17274052>banking jeweryIt's your imagination.Jews didn't invent banking and neither they control it. Think of fucking Swiss banks which had no qualms about cooperating with Nazis.The Bank of England had send Czechs' gold (which was being kept in England as a safeguard against German) to Germany after her annexation. Central banks are indeed cancer but these are no Jews that control them. Nazi Germany had about the highest "usury" rates in Europe btw - because their banks were strictly state-controlled and thus they could have.
>>17274071>I love the world todaywe both know you don't
>>17274076>It's your imagination.thanks for the laugh, discarded the rest of the post as retard ramblings
>>17274018The reasoning was that Britain regarded a powerful Germany that treated promises and agreements like a scrap of paper, was a securiy risk for Britain, and could threaten her in the future.I dont know why this is such a fucking mental gymnastic for you faggots. I dont care how much you love Hitler or how much you hate the world today. It's completely irrelevant to how the men in 1939 reasoned, and their rationale was completely logical from their perspective of preserving their best interests.This is literally #435260 thread on this topic but you still dont get it through your thick skull. I am not pro-Britain in any way but their rationale makes perfect sense from their perspective. Why should they trust the guarantee of their country on anyone but themselves?Yes Hitler said he would be eternal anglo ally, but Hitler said a lot of things that he then immediately contradicted as soon as it was no longer convenient. He kept saying he was anti-communist yet he allies the communist. He kept saying his ambition was peoples right to self-determination, yet he occupies Czechia and annex majority polish land. Why should Britain trust the safety of their nation on his mere words?This debate is so fucking retarded, not even the NSDAP were discussing this shit. Hitler knew he was playing with fire when he invaded Poland. There was never a question of British or French foreign interests. He merely gambled that they would be too pacifist and Ribbentrop kept feeding him this bullshit even when Hitler hesitated and briefly cancelled the invasion. He gambled, and he was wrong. Britain and France declared war. That's literally the end of the debate.
>>17274090>thanks for the laughNo problem, go fuck yourself.
>>17273967it could be argued, the result of WWII is irrelevant today. so why the human sacrifice? Cui bono?
>>17274384Whom are you asking this.
>>17273967>niggers exist therefore you actually lost this war 80 years agoTiresome.
>>17274088true, but it's a nice trick to suppress your opinion
>>17273563>>17274092>Germany that treated promises and agreements like a scrap of paperName one treaty Germany broke that wasn't broken first by the other party.
>>17273563Hitler started world war 2 and wanted to destroy all of humanity. Opposing him was a requirement for human civilization to exist. >>17273574He killed 80 million people in total by starting ww2.
>>17273967> it's almost as if they actually lost the warHow? Seriously? How?
>>17274633Who delcared war on who?
>>17274578Munich.Motolov Ribbentop pact. Polish German non aggression pact.Treaty of Versailles.Armistice of 22 June 1940.German Hungarian Alliance.Basically every treaty they ever signed.
>>17274642Germany declared war on Poland, who was part of the allies. They did this after breaking every treaty they signed, thus showing they were untrustworthy.
>>17274646>Munich.Germany didn't break a single point of the Munich agreement.>Motolov Ribbentop pactRussia Broke it first by preparing to invade Germany.>Polish German non aggression pact.Poland broke it first by preparing to invade Germany.>Treaty of Versailles.Not a real treaty. It was a dictat forced upon Germany under duress.>Armistice of 22 June 1940.France broke it first by defecting.>German Hungarian Alliance.Hungary broke it first by defecting.>>17274649Poland attacked Germany first and was ethniclaly clensing Germans who lived in Poland, who were given a green hand to it by Britain.
>>17274666>Germany didn't break a single point of the Munich agreement.Violated it several times.>Russia Broke it first by preparing to invade Germany.They did not. There is zero evidence they wanted to invade Germany. >Poland broke it first by preparing to invade Germany.See above.>Not a real treaty. It was a dictat forced upon Germany under duress.Loser cope. Germans signed it to prevent their country from broke it up.>France broke it first by defecting.They did not defect.>Hungary broke it first by defectingThey DID defect but that was to in violation of the treaty.>Poland attacked Germany first Wrong.>And was ethniclaly clensing Germans who lived in PolandYou are confusing "Should have" with "did".German scum should have been cleaned up earlier. They were not, this ended up costing Poland dearly.
>>17274633>Opposing him was a requirement for human civilization to exist.Really?> He killed 80 million people in total by starting ww2.How could we avoid that is the point of the thread. Were there better options available, other than all out genocidal war?
>>17274673>should haveWow, such moral character you have.
>>17274679>Really?Yes. Nazi Germany was a existential threat to human civilization.>How could we avoid that is the point of the thread.Invade Germany in 1933. Hang Hitler and the other Nazis. That or actually dismantle Germany after ww1. >>17274680This is not a question of morality, this is a question of practicality. Kicking out Germans was the practical and correct thing to do. Morally the existence of Nazi germany was abhorrent and should have been destroyed asap.
>>17274666Name the Germans who were being ethnically cleansed by Poles and post their autopsy reports to prove they were murdered.
>>17273568Wanted war with the UK? Not at all, Hitler was pro-British and always wanted an alliance with them. Never had interest in some pointless grudge war with France and always sought to expand eastward by dealing with the "red menace". He never expected WW2 to break out over Danzig, and individuals such as Goering would coin WW2 as "Ribbentrop's War" (because Ribbentrop withheld information on a regular basis which impacted Hitler's decision making in the diplomatic talks over the Danzig question.The war years led to a lot of radical and extreme measures because of wartime and the fact Europe would fall to Germany and essentially put them in a position where they COULD dictate world matters if the status quo remained (a lot like how the UK had a major impact on world history centuries ago, or how the US has a massive impact in the modern day). And then there was desire of those within German politics to impress Hitler ( the "working towards the Fuhrer" argument - e.g. Bormann was in charge of many of the political matters at home since Hitler wanted to LARP as a field marshal)This notion that he was some crazed leader who wanted world domination from the start (e.g. prior to 1930) is the type of propaganda people need to move away from. It's the issue with how recent WW2 is in history, too much emotional connections impact the topic. In a few centuries it will be completely different.
>>17274695>Kicking out Germans was the practical and correct thing to do.Kicking out Jews from Europe would have been better.
>>17274729You try to justify their actions too much. >over Danzig It was a war for domination of East Europe. Danzig was just an excuse. I don't really get this argument. What happened after this war? Did Germans annex Danzig? Or maybe they annexed a large part of Western Poland, gave East part to the Soviets and turned the rest into a colonial territory? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderaktion_KrakauJust a small example. This wasn't due to radicalization, it happened very early in the war. >This notion that he was some crazed leader who wanted world domination from the start (e.g. prior to 1930)That's simple. Germany was too weak to dream about world domination. NSDAP wasn't even a popular party. But with every victory their megalomaniacal dreams grew larger.
>>17274752I don't think the French ever approved the planhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan
>>17274710www.hitlerspeaceplans.comHere you'll find a nice list of incidents.
>>17274760Hmmmmm. Why would France object to the objectively best plan to save europe from total degredation?Hmmmmmm.
>>17274763Does it mention this?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarn%C3%B3w_train_station_bombing>A time bomb detonated inside the station on the night of 28 August 1939, resulting in the deaths of 20 people and injuries to 35 others.[1]Imagine if Poles did shit like this. You would consider it a perfect casus belli for starting a war.
>>17274763I asked for names and autopsy reports. Post names and autopsy reports.
>>17274756>It was a war for domination of East EuropeIt was a war against Bolshevism.And you're currently reaping the rewards of Bolshevik victory.
>>17274776Poles defeated bolsheviks in 1921. Germans signed a pact with them to split East Europe into spheres of influence in 1939.
>>17274775>spoonfeed meNo.Even holobunga cultists don't obsess over names and autopsy reports.And why the fuck would there be autopsies for people Poland wnated to exterminate?
It's weird how every single thread defending war with Hitler just says "He would have killed millions of whites" and yet the people making these arguments hate white people. Strange!
>>17274787>Not even one name of a German ethnically cleansed by Poles and an autopsy to prove their cause of death:(
>>17274775Some SA guy was killed near the border of Free City of Danzig. A polish driver shot him after a bunch of Germans ransacked Polish custom office. Nazis went full BLM crying how he was a good boy and dindu nuffin. That's the most famous incident.
>>17274633Ignoring the fact that you're using questionable upper bound estimates, If you're going by total ww2 casualties that means you're holding Hitler responsible for all the casualties caused by Japan during 1937-1945.
>>17274666Spectacular, audacious level of trolling here.Did you intentionally mix the free hand/ green light metaphor to bait people even more?
>>17274797Hitler caused a war that killed millions of whites in reality, regardless of what you think.
>>17274763Lol, this is terrible. It's funny how you faggots mock Hollywood propaganda, but then post sentimental trite like this. It even ends with a fucking poem to Hitler's mother. You should add some sad music too.
>>17274820And yet you hate white people, so why are you mad at Hitler?
>>17274826Because his war dragged my nation too you fucking retard.
>>17274820Britain could have not declared war on Germany and aided her in destorying communism.
My niggas Russia would have Raped Germany even harder if Murica didn't enter the war Germany was REALLY lucky both the Eternal Anglos and Slavs hated each other too much to give them the Carthage treatment
>>17273574He is exaggerating. Hitler wanted to leave Britain be and go east. Britain however recognized, as it had for 300 years, that allowing 1 power to totally dominate the continent would be horrendous for Britain. As that power would be able to bully Britain economically and easily build a navy to overmatch her. They were always going to try and prevent that.Would 6 million jews and 20 million Russians die?No, in fact way more would. Around 10 million jews and 50 million Russians and other Slavs would die, as Germany would've been able to conquer all of the Soviet Union, and could then finnish the job regarding the jews and be able to implement General-plan Ost.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
>>17274831Which nation is that? Spain? Siberia? Lol.
>>17274835>destroying communismNothing beats destroying communism by siding with the communist to destroy Poland
>>17274840No, at the time Yugoslavia
>>17274841Britian and France could have prevented this by backing Hilter and not leaving him alone.
>>17274841We already established that Poland deserved to be invaded, and the fact that you cannot see that the USSR and Germany entered a mutually understood pact to fight eventually shows how dumb you are.>>17274844I mean you're a pseudo white, which is the thing, sure, you can hate Hitler because you would have bitched and cried that you along with most of Europe would be colonized, but the fact remains that most people don't give a fuck about you or most white people overall, to this day only white people are butthurt at Hitler."BOO HOO NIGGA MY PEOPLE DUN COLONIZED DA EARTH AND NOW SOMEONE IS GON DO IT TO UZ CUZ DEY WYTA DAN WE IZ!" Hitler was based and was just following the path of history, and the rest of self hating liberal white people got mad he was finally giving them a taste of their own medicine.No, fuck you, and fuck all non Germanics, you all deserved to get raped to death in a far better timeline. You are not human.Hitler did nothing wrong.
>>17274856For an American larper, you sure run your mouth.
>>17274851>Britain and France should just become subservient dogs.... because they have to okay?
>>17274851Not blocking Poland from accepting German offer would have been a good start
>>17274666>Germany didn't break a single point of the Munich agreement.The allies signed Munich with the understanding that Germanys ambitions were strictly limited to Sudetenland in accordance with a peoples right to self-determination, this was the whole Sudetencrisis.Taking 100% Czech land immediately violated this understanding.It really is irrelevant how you interpretate Hitlers decision to seize the Czech state.What is relevant was that it pissed off Britain and France greatly. They would never have signed the Munich Agreement if they had known a complete German takeover was to be the outcome.You can argue all day that Hitler technically did not violate the Munich agreement. Hitler pulled a dirty one and it infuriated Britain. How you feel about it is irrelevant, it's how Britain and France felt about it and why they felt the way they did that we should study. There are multiple speeches by Chamberlain where he explains why he felt it was a breach of trust to take the Czech state.https://avalon.law.yale.edu/wwii/blbk09.aspSo even if you yourself believe Hitler did nothing wrong, you should agree with me that Hitler knew his actions angered Britain, and you should agree with me that the best course of action after taking the Czech state, would be to lay extremely low and let the diplomatic channels cool down to avoid a conflict.This was not what Hitler did.Hitler taking the Czech state was the core reason why Britain were issuing military assurances to virtually every country bordering Germany and Italy. Because in their rationale, Hitler would seek to bypass any treaty to subject that country anyway. Were they wrong? Maybe. But that was the mood immediately after Germany took Czechia (Czechia was seized on March 15 1939, British assurances to Poland were given on March 30 1939).
>>17274885Poland wasn't interested in German offer. You're under delusion that Western powers dictated Polish foreign policy, which isn't true.
>>17274835>Everyone should just have submitted themselves to everything Hitler wanted.You guys literally have low IQ if this is how you think the world works.
>>17274666>reads the ai summary of the munich aggreement once>procceeds to be insufferable for months on endwhy are shitskins like this?
>STILL no names of ethnically cleansed German and autopsy reports to prove their deathsSad.
>>17274831He is a known amerimutt poster here. He literally only starts posting his Hitler dicksucking rants during US hours. His shift starts now.He is completely oblivious to Europeans or European history and identity yet posts the most radical interpretations of his own mutt education to defend Hitler.He then demands to know what country you're from because he'd rather do typical /pol/tier shitposting about your flag and everything wrong in 2024 rather than engaging in a historical discussion.Dont know why Americans are the most edgy Hitlerist Germanic nationalist larpers but it really is pathetic.
>>17274797Are these people the same ones that live in the walls and stole your foreskin?
>>17274911Self flagellation syndrome exhibited by lying Puritans/Protestants.
>>17274894Poland's foreign policy was a result of an agreement with UKhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Polish_alliance#Agreement_of_Mutual_AssistanceUK had no intention of keeping the agreement and then the Phoney War ensued. All UK had to do was to wait for Russians to attack Poland to be relieved from its obligations.Why UK isn't being held responsible for the Holocaust?
>>17274917Partially.Self hating white people and jews are the only people in the planet who hate Hitler.That's it.Ask any black man, asian, or otherwise and they will have positive views of Hitler.
>>17274924RIbbentrops demands for Danzig were rejected already in January 1939, long before Britain become involved.Hitler then broke the Polish-German non-aggression pact on March 28, again before Britain got involved.Phoney war was a result of Britain still rearming and mobilizing her empire for war. A stalemate favored the allies more than it favored Germany.This is basic knowledge but yet Hitlerist faggots keeps treating everything like undiscovered newsflash.
>>1727492Post a heilpic then. Seeing as everyone agrees with you?
>>17274938>This is basic knowledge but yet Hitlerist faggots keeps treating everything like undiscovered newsflash.Losing 80mln people was the best option we had at the time?
>>17274944Is arguing in hindisight the only possible way for you to make a point?The allied strategy in 1939-1940 was not even to invade Germany directly. It was to eventually subdue Germany by bombing German industry in the Ruhr and blockade Germany of resources while allied divisions brace behind strong French fortifications.I dont even think German and British casualties ever amounted to more than 1 million casualties during the entire war. those additional +40 million deaths in Europe were in the east.
>>17274729Most people underestimate just how responsible Ribbentrop was for ww2. He kept feeding Hitler complete misinformation about Britains feelings and plans. Hitler trusted Ribbentrop because of his personal knowledge of Britain as a previous London ambassador.But even Hitler hesitated for a moment and cancelled the invasion on August 25th because Hitler began believing that Britain wasnt bluffing and would declare war on Germany, yet Ribbentrop kept assuring him that Britain would stay neutral and finally convinced Hitler to proceed.There is a famous anecdote from a witness who delievered the news of Britains declaratiion of war to Hitler, of which when he gives Hitler the news, Hitler first stares into the wall with a cold face, and then turns angrily to Ribbentrop who is standing across the room, and says "well, what now?!".Then again, one could blame Hitler for making a wine seller as his foreign minister. A typical example of NSDAP cronyism.
>>17273563The reason there was so many casualties is because they didn't stop him earlier. They should have declared war the moment he started remilitarizing Germany.
>>17273563People tried to avoid WW2. Hitler just kept on invading countries. We realized appeasement wasn't going to work and he had to be stopped.
>>17274958I hope you are not trying to question the tragedy of the Holocaust?
>>17275039I was ignoring the holocaust because it wasnt relevant to the point I was making. Plus if I do adress the holocaust, then it will immediately become the focus of the debate.The focus of the debate is that of diplomacy.Like another anon said, it's the daily #1968th thread about "Why didnt everyone simply comply with everything Hitler wanted to do?"
>>17275079>"Why didnt everyone simply comply with everything Hitler wanted to do?"False dichotomy. There are number of option in between what happened and what you are implying is the only other option.
>>17275151I was paraphrasing, but that's usually how the narrative eventually is summarized.This thread is a testimony of that narrative.
>>17275012Arguably the only country Hitler even invaded was Poland over the Danzig issue and that was after countless provocations and even threats of war from the Polish side (people need to be reminded that Poland mobilized first). The Anchluss wasn't an invasion, it was a reunification fully supported by the Austiran population. Neither was Czechoslovakia, a nation that was completely falling apart post-Munich and its president had to beg Hitler to intervene to keep it stable. The Western nations post-Munich had already decided that they wanted war, they just needed a good enough reason to convince the native population to embark on another journey that would destroy their nations which is why the mind-numbingly stupid guarantee was given to Poland that did nothing but precisely accelerate the war that "people tried to avoid"
>>17275533>The Anchluss wasn't an invasion, it was a reunification fully supported by the Austiran populationI know you think this because you're an illiterate retard who only reads 10 word max infographics but please, PLEASE look up what the invasion of austria actually was
>>17275533>its president had to beg Hitler to intervene to keep it stablelol, only according to Nazis
>>17275560It's literally only according to Hitler.Even the top brass of the NSDAP admitted that it was bullshit.How convenient for Hitler that the Czechs needs to be "saved", and by saved it means complete German administration of the Czech state, nationalize their heavy industry, confiscate their gold reserve, and steal their powerful armament that was vital for the French and Polish campaign.
>>17275533>(people need to be reminded that Poland mobilized first). Poland was literally forbidden to mobilize by Britain and only did so 48 hours before the German invasion.Meanwhile Germany had been mobilized since 1938.
>>17275533>people need to be reminded that Poland mobilized firstAnd you need to be reminded that it was partial mobilization after Germany signed Ribbentrop-Molotov pact with the Soviets. Literally everything that happened later was irrelevant because the war was certain. Before that Poland mobilized partially after Germany forced Lithuania to give up Klaipeda.
>>17273563>Was it really such a good idea to oppose Hitler and start WWII?No >What were the advantages of engaging in the military conflict?30 years of unmatched prosperity for the USA. Massive fertility rate boom. We reaped the spoils of every other country not having a functioning post war military this is why USA has military bases almost everywhere. Because the USA contracted out our military to protect allied countries. >The number of casualties was mind boggling. Was it worth it?In the short term yes, long term no. Probably not even in the short term.
The order for general mobilization was given on 30 August. Mobilization started one day later. Literally less than a day later Germany attacked Poland.
>>17275647Britain literally ordered Poland not to fully mobilize until the last minute.This was specifically to avoid provoking the Germans into attacking.So much for the warmongering anglo.
>>17273568>Not opposing Hitler meant the invasion of BritainHitler never wanted to attack the UK - he admired the empire. >which the US would have eventually solved with nuclear weaponsNukes didn't exist back then, nor do they exist now. It's a hoax. >Most of Europe would have burned and be permanently radioactively damaged for the rest of time.Most of Europe wouldn't even smell warfare. Both France and the Bongs would be sitting comfy in the back, while Germany, Italy and Japan rape the Soviets.
>>17275669> Because of Hitler's ultimate demand, the British government decided not to forward it to Warsaw until after the set deadline had expired.So why Poland didn't accept German ultimatum?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_German_ultimatum_to_Poland
>>17275692Why are you moving the focus of the debate like a faggot as soon as facts become inconvenient for you?We were talking about Polish mobilization being a cause for war as you suggested in >>17275533 yet made no attempts to defend this claim, instead you jumped to the next talking point.Your entire debate tactic is to throw as much pasta on the wall to see what sticks. Why are Hitlerist /pol/niggers like this?
>>17275692Regarding the ultimatum, it's quite comical to read Hendersons telegrams when this was presented. Imagine having to deal with the wine sellers (Ribbentrop) autism as a professional diplomat.https://avalon.law.yale.edu/wwii/blbk92.asphttps://avalon.law.yale.edu/wwii/blbk91.aspHenderson was in fact very pro-Germany and became a personal friend of Göring, and attended NSDAP rallies, something he got reprimanded for by Halifax. Regardless, Henderson realized that Ribbentrop was doing virtually everything in his power to make the crisis escalate with zero attempts to diffuse it or be patient for more time.
>>17274763>tfw retarded and read it as www.hitlerspaceplans.com
I love it when stormfags treat Hitler as a rabbid dog without agency. You see, its the allies fault for causing him to chimp out and murder everyone because they didnt just give in to every single demand he madeNazism is the complete and utter niggerfication of white people.
>>17275533>which is why the mind-numbingly stupid guarantee was given to Poland that did nothing but precisely accelerate the war that "people tried to avoid"Poland's logic was just that - to avoid war. They thought that if Germany is locked in an alliance made of Poland-France-UK, they wont't start the war at all.
>>17275780Yep, and it makes perfect sense to ally Britain rather than Germany or USSR because both Germany and USSR would assert their influence to make Poland subservient to their ambitions, while Britain simply wants to maintain peace and stability in continental Europe.Allying Britain would discourage Germany from attacking because it would mean a world war if they did. It was the best way of deterrence while maintaining your full sovreignty from your ambitious imperialistic neighbours.
>>1727576940 milion lives lost and we get this?
>>17275769>Nazism is the complete and utter niggerfication of white people.Yeah?The entire ideology is about how the modern European race is weak and at a cross roads, only by embracing new economic policy and old world warfare can white people ensure they won't go extinct, white people need to become niggers who live off socialism in a world where everyone else is niggers too.
>>17274729>Not at all, Hitler was pro-British and always wanted an alliance with them.>do everything that pisses Britain off: war with poland, landgrabs, continental dominance, rebuild the Kriegsmarine, u-boat warfare, terror bombings both in Britain and her allies>wtf, why won't you ally with me >:(
>>17273563Was it worth starting Barbarossa? There's your answer
>>17274924>Poland's foreign policy was a result of an agreement with UK>make defensive alliance with another country>they mind-control you nowDo Hitlerites really?
>>17275533>The Western nations post-Munich had already decided that they wanted war,Even if that is true, I wouldn't blame them giventhat Hitler had been behaving like a bull in a china shop for the last 2+ years (starting with the re-militarization of the Rhineland / openly violating Versailles)
>>17275820>rather than Germany or USSR>ally with left-wing communists you fought an existential war against 20 years ago and are still salty about it or ally with right-wing communists who claim like half your territory as well as your only seaport.I'd take Britain/France too, hoping to keep the Nazis in check while I worry about the Soviets.
>>17276490Was he? His only force was taking lands literally owned by Germans in Sudetenland and unifying with Austria. This is a German matter that nobody else had business interfering into. This is like saying England was an aggressor for their union with Scotland. Fact is the Allied powers controlled 80% of the world and violently oppressed everyone yet when Germany was trying to recover lands unrightfully taken from them filled with Germans, it was suddenly the worst thing ever. Bit hypocritical.
>>17276516>This is a German matter that nobody else had business interfering intoI doubt it.If Britain went and annexed part of the US (e.g. New England, as historically English settlers lived there for hundreds of years in the past and their descendents still do), would that be an "Anglo matter that nobody else has business interfering into" (sic)
>>17275692>So why Poland didn't accept German ultimatum?Because she wasn't intimidated by some monkey's posturing?
>>17276451What happened to Hess who was arrested shortly before that?
>>17276542Was this a good move?
>>17276545The best of available options.
>>17276516>unrightfully taken from themGermany lost and they agreed with those losses when they signed Versailles In 1921 poles were only taking back formally polish lands. Czechs formally Czech lands and French formally French lands. All of which with many of their people. At best you might argue there was no differencr and Britain was simply trying to defend the order they had already helped create 20 years prior
>>17273982I agree. Now face the wall
>>17276543What?
>>17274888>Taking 100% Czech land immediately violated this understanding.Their "understanding" of the treaty is irrelevant.If it mattered, they would have written it into the treaty.Treaties are WRITTEN on to be READ.
>>17275769>Nazism is the complete and utter niggerfication of white people.No. That's the current systdm you're living under.
>>17275012Hitler wouldn't have needed to neutralize Britain and France had they not intervened in Poland.
>>17276692Hitler shouldn't have invaded Poland period
>>17276516What you dont understand was that this narrative was prevailing among the allies too. They did not see any justified reason to declare war on Germany over Austria or Sudetenland.It was when Germany took majority Czech land that rang the alarm that German ambition went beyond peoples right to self-determination or reversing Versailles. The war scare was that German ambition was to dominate continental Europe, and that they would neither be detered or reasoned with. That they would regard any treaty as a scrap of paper, that their words and promises could be broken whenever convenient. that they will go to war even if guarantees were made.I dont know why Hitler-apologists deliberately excludes vital context in their arguments. Especially with Germany seizing Czechia which was the cataclysm in allied U-turn towards Germany.
>>17276574>Germany lost and they agreed with those losses when they signed VersaillesExcept Austria and Sudetenland was never a part of Germany so they didnt lose shit.
>>17276630Rudolf Hess was arrested on May 10, 1941, after he flew solo to Scotland in an attempt to negotiate peace with the United Kingdom during World War II. His mission, however, was unsuccessful, and he was captured by British forces.Operation Barbarossa, the German invasion of the Soviet Union, began on June 22, 1941.Did Hitler get triggered?
>>17276862No? Directive 21 was signed on December 18 1940, months before Hess' flight
>>17276875Does not mean it had to be executed. The original plan called for start of Barbarossa n May.
>>17276915>Does not mean it had to be executedDude, they were amassing forces on the Soviet border throughout winter and spring of 1941.>The original plan called for start of Barbarossa n May.That was before Mussolini had to be bailed out in Greece
>>17276925>Mussolini had to be bailed outWhile Italians were retards and incompetent, this myth that has been perpetrated and proliferated to give that irrelevant nation some sort of recent pride is retarded. Greeks were also collapsing due to logistic issues.
>>17276950What does it have to do with what I said? The Germans did move in in April and did stuck there for over a month, postponing the execution of Barbarossa. If the Greeks were so weak they could have died sooner and without Germany's help
>>17276950>>17276968I dont know what point you two are trying to make.The Greeks fought well given the circumstances of their equiptmnt, but Barbarossa was not delated by the Greek campaign, this myth comes mostly from German generals who tried to blame every mistake on anything and anyone (mostly on Hitler) but themselves, while trying to portray themselves as AAA star generals.Barbarossa was delayed simply because it was poorly planned, as it did not account for late spring weather conditions, divisions were still in training and trucks & veichles were still being requisitioned from occupied countries for the invasion.
Barbarossa was delayed due to the SOE influenced coup in Yugoslavia, not Greece.
>>17277086My initial point is that Hitler would have attacked the USSR anyway and it's the best argument against stormfags who likes to preach about his peacefulness
>>17274695>>17274633>humanity is transgenderism and laissez faire economicsw-what?
>>17277111Peaceful people do go to war, its not an argument against peace to go to war.We dont actually know if Hitler would have fought the USSR had Western Europe accepted his peace offer.His biggest real politik reason for war with the USSR was to gain the resources necessary to wage a drawn out cold war against the British and their American supported industry.>>17276875The invasion of Poland was cancelled and then reinstated in August.These things arent absolute.Its not like HOI4 where you have a set strategy, they were handling many moving and dynamic people and opinions in a complicated landscape.
>>17276451Yes.But Germany stood to gain the entire east if they won.What did Britain gain if they won?>>17276239>>17275769These are Polish ultranationalists from /pol/. They outed themselves in a Pole thread the other week.Hitler didnt have an ideology, he was doing whatever to rebuild Germany.He wasnt like the jews who strictly adhered to pro-jewish principles or communists who shot each other for not being Marxist enough.Hitler was more like a monarch, someone who has a plurality of the power, its not absolute, and they arent enslaved to an idea, they are free to decide and act on their own.Thats why Hitler seems so sporadic because he was literally laying track in front of the train so to speak. Its a very human way of governing.not sure why it angers Poles.Probably because Hitler said "Poles are weak and we will defeat them easily" then proved his claim and Poles to this day live with the fact they couldnt even resist Germany, let alone defeat Germany, despite what their pride told them.Poles are losers. More Germans survived than Poles.More Poles were raped than Germans.Poles arelosers
>>17273563>dude just dismantle your empire, demobilize your army, and let Hitler take over parts of France, Belgium, all of Poland, all of Czechoslovakia. >Oh, and he promises to not use this as a propaganda opportunity to prove you’re weak and take more You’re fucking retarded
>>17273967>I want to live in a fascist shithole where civil rights don’t exist and I can be fucked in the ass by the state if I say no no wordsJust go live in China retard
>>17277142What's wrong with laissez faire economics?
>>17277185Absolutely nothing, but he will have some cope about how he cannot compete fairly and so it's righteous for the government to take from others to give to him for mere consumption.
>>17277150Hitler was hoping the British and Americans would cuck out and accept a ceasefire like France. It was a miscalculation, he did not realize the anglochad bvlls he was dealing with.
>>17277150There is nothing more cringe than someone bringing up HoI4 to make an argument, while simultaniously accuse everyone else of it.And it's always stormfags doing this for some reason.
>>17277308I've heard that in HoI they can actually win Barbarossa and it's the easiest shit to do in the game. kek(yep, they got me interested with their constant screeching)
>>17274752Nope. Animals are the issue, specifically Nazis, not Jews. The German people were subverted by animals and because of that deserved to be wiped out.
>>17274808>Ignoring the fact that you're using questionable upper bound estimatesOkay, anon, he only killed 70 million.>If you're going by total ww2 casualties that means you're holding Hitler responsible for all the casualties caused by Japan during 1937-1945.Shared alliance, shared ideology, shared guilt.
>>17277174>You’re fucking retardedReally? Wasn't there a better alternative? Or you are just too dumb to see it?
>>17277174>he promises to not use this as a propaganda opportunity to prove you’re weak and take moreHe literally had no reason to.Hitler wanted to destroy the Soviet Union.And we should have joined him in that endeavour.
>>17277142Transgenderism and laissez faire ecenomics are a part of humanity, yes. Always have been by the way. Even if I disagree with them, I do so in a way that is valid for humans.The Nazis were animals. They did not act like humans, tehy did not believe in anything humans believed in, they did not talk or look like humans. That alone is reason enough for the total destruction of Nazi Germany, top and bottom. Animals should not be in charge of human states.
>>17277401>He literally had no reason to.His state was a fundamental failure and relied entirely on looting and plunder to function. That would have involved England before long.Outside of that, their ultimate goal was the total destruction of all human civilization. That would have required destroying England before long.
>>17277150>Peaceful people do go to war, its not an argument against peace to go to war.Literal doublethink.>We dont actually know if Hitler would have fought the USSR had Western Europe accepted his peace offer.He wanted to destroy all of humanity. Of course, he would have.
>>17274837Pretty much.A shame. The total and utter genocide of Germany would have done a much better job educating Nationalists.
>>17274729>Not at all, Hitler was pro-British and always wanted an alliance with themHitler was pro German as well. Yet what he unleashed in Germany was nothing short of cultural, societal, spiritual, and eventually literal genocide. He was pro British only insofar that he wanted human sacrifices back.
>>17277407Why wasn't he simply assassinated? Was it too hard fot the Perfidious Albion? Did they need him for something?
>>17277426The fact that the west didn't try to assassinate Hitler but Germans did means that he was controlled opposition.
>>17277426Because his existence showed that the rot was emblematic to the German state as a whole and it needed to be amputated.
>>17277429more like a useful idiot
>>17277445according to who?>>>/wsg/5737785
>>17277448Same difference. The absurd levels of cronyism and rural village lvls of faux pas committed on all levels by the high command of the party is additional evidence.
>>17277453According to a basic understanding of the situation. A state run by animals is not simply a failed state, it's a state that is fundamentally rotten and needs to be fixed with the harshest possible measures.
>>17277461what about those who financed the regime?
>>17277483Should have been punished, absolutely. Not as much as Germany, but losing their wealth would be a good start.
>>17277483>SuttonAh yes, the Soviet mind-control-beam guy.
>>17277491Are you saying psychotronic weapons don't exist?
>>17277487wasn't Hitler a simply a case of over-investment for the depressed american economy? when shit hit the fan they just pretended to have nothing to do with anything?
>>17277407>Outside of that, their ultimate goal was the total destruction of all human civilizationNo that's Judea.
>>17277500No, that's Hitler.Also evangelical Christians. >>17277499>wasn't Hitler a simply a case of over-investment for the depressed american economy? There was also anti communist sentiment and connections between German and American industrialists.
>>17273568Nice bait desu
>>17277185>>17277188The problem with Free Market economics is it leads to economic conquest. The jews who wax poetic about the evils of martial imperialism and post "uhhh Germany thought they could get away with bullying smaller nations" have no problem with larger economies bullying smaller economies and staging large scale economic take overs to extract material from those who are not in a position to resist.it has nothing to do with wealth distribution, it is about protecting the wealth of the citizenry against foreign extraction.>>17277197But you arent an Anglo and Anglos are ground zero for White genocide.>>17277308nope. Hoi4 is typically used as a "life isnt Hoi, chud!" I am just pointing out how juvenile the understanding of this period is. it is a LOT like a video game where it is assumed on pure speculation no different decisions could be made, it was completely on rails, and the outcome of 1950 was predestined by 1913.This is such a childish, silly, and unnuanced view and its only in use because:1. Normies like history as a story rather than history as analysis. 2. It is very easy to tell this story with clear heroes/anti-heroes and villains to justify political decisions taken even today as we see people in the US, Japan, Israel, Russia, Germany, and Poland referencing back to this time period.>>17277316I have only played Hoi4 a few times and Barbarossa is significantly harder than it was in real life. You have to be an expert to actually pull off what the Germans did in real life. I only ran Germany about 3 times and never got beyond The Baltic/Ukraine frontline.
>>17277708>But you arent an Anglo and Anglos are ground zero for White genocide.White means evil, therefore white genocide is the the destruction of evil. What you are saying is that Britain is ground zero for the fight against evil.
>>17277404Conquest and ethnic revanchism are a part of humanity, yes. Always have been by the way. Even if I disagree with them, I do so in a way that is valid for humans.Slavs, Anglos, Jews, were animals, they did not act like humans, they did not believe in anything humans believed in, they did not talk or look like humans. That alone is reason enough for the total destruction of jewniks and Poles, top and bottom.Animals should be in charge of human lands.
>>17277316>You can actually win BarbarossaYes. But it's hardly easy. Germany is way stronger than it is in real life to ensure the allies don't walk over it. The USSR meanwhile has a lot of maluses. There are also tricks and paths that make it way easier to conquer the USSR. Like turning democratic or simply ignoring the entire focus tree system to rush Poland and then the USSR.
>>17277409>you are either a pacifist or you dont support peaceHow did you get here? 1960 was 65 years ago.If youre going back, take me with you.>jews wanted to enslave/destroy all of humanityThank you based Hitler for showing they can be resisted.
>>17277712How are you in every thread spreading your loxist nonsense?didnt you get perm banned like a month ago?
>>17277731>Conquest and ethnic revanchism are a part of humanity, yesConquest is the territory of animals. Ethnic revanchism could arguably be viewed as a part of humanity, but the Nazis believed in race and that is simply pure nonsense with no bearing in reality. No different from simple superstition like believing in Vampires or fairies. That too is the territory of animals. >Slavs, Anglos, Jews, were animalsBoth communism and capitalism are unmistakably human. They are something only humans can engage in. Animals can conquer, we see it all the time in nature. Believing in superstition that is not real is also animalistic. That is what Nazi Germany represented: animalistic thinking. It's cute you are trying to project. but it only highlights your lack of humanity and failure to understand both it and nature. Thus making it all the more obvious that you are a animal and should be locked up.
>>17277735>Germany is way stronger than it is in real life to ensure the allies don't walk over it. The USSR meanwhile has a lot of maluses. There are also tricks and paths that make it way easier to conquer the USSR. Like turning democratic or simply ignoring the entire focus tree system to rush Poland and then the USSR.you never played the game.Germany is much weaker than in real life and AI Germany basically always loses within two years unless you give them a huge stat buff.Any player can cheese the game using paradrops but if you play "historically" its either a loss or stalemate unless you are very experienced.Very unforgiving game and Barbarossa is impossible to pull off to its real life extent without using meme strats like paradrop or skirting around having literally 0 fuel.
>>17277738>you are either a pacifist or you dont support peaceYes.>jews wanted to enslave/destroy all of humanityNope. nazis wanted to destroy human civilization and bring about a world of darkness, suffering, and cruetly.>>17277743Get banned for what? Speaking the truth?
>>17277749Animals do not practice conquest, they engage in a very primitive form of territorialism, not conquest which requires states and formal armies, changing of governments.>Race doesnt existI am going to stop reading here and leave you with this.Race is real, ape.
>>17277755Youre retarded.What ethnic group are you from again? You forgot to say.
>>17277753>Germany is much weaker than in real life and AI Germany basically always loses within two years unless you give them a huge stat buff.? If you mean two years since they start the war, no. Typically they will walk all over French, not do much in the middle east. Briefly push into the USSR, before the USA and the UK wipes them out around 1942/1943.>Any player can cheese the game using paradrops but if you play "historically" its either a loss or stalemate unless you are very experienced.My teenage brother used to do it so often he found it easy and tried to make it more challenging. It's really not that hard. The AI is trash, and the right composition allows you to walk over them.
>>17277401> He literally had no reason to.Revenge of Versailles Germanys place in the Sun Realpolitik Colonial ambitions > Hitler wanted to destroy the Soviet Union.Hitler was allied with the Soviets when he declared war you mongoloid
>>17277757>Animals do not practice conquest,Yes, they do. >I am going to stop reading here and leave you with this.Ancestry is not race. There is no practical genetic difference between racial groups, only different averages that depend entirely on the categories you use. There is as much evidence that people from Yorkshire and Newcastle are different races as there is for people from Europe and Africa.If you were human, and therefore capable of understanding basic high school biology, you would understand this.
>>17277761Dutch.
>>17273563>"To Churchill,” Buchanan writes, “the independence and freedom of one hundred million Christian peoples of Eastern Europe were not worth a war with Russia in 1945. Why, then, had they been worth a war with Germany in 1939?"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill,_Hitler_and_the_Unnecessary_Warhttps://www.spectator.co.uk/article/hitler-didn-t-start-indiscriminate-bombings-churchill-did-/
>>17277166>What did Britain gain if they won?Peace in Europe
>>17277884>Patrick BuchananWasn't he an advisor to Nixon and supported covering up Watergate?
>>17277888which they would have had if they accepted peace or better yet just not declared war on Germany.
>>17277786Moroccan? Actual Dutch are a minority in their own homeland. Simply dreadful. You’re not Dutch, mutt.
>>17278005Hitler declared war on Poland first
>>17278371Case closed?The perfidious albion outmaneuvered Hitler, locked Hess, nobody knows anything, yey
>>17276744>It was when Germany took majority Czech land that rang the alarm that German ambition went beyond peoples right to self-determination or reversing VersaillesGermany never annexed Czech land. Czechia was placed under military administration aka a vassal state (like the Soviet republics or Canada at the time)
>>17277884That's complete bullshit.Churchill advocated to continue the war in 1945 with Unthinkable.Churchill also advocated for Overlord to be directed in the Balkans, not France, specifically to block the Soviet advance.The British tried once to go alone into the Balkans without USA in the Dodecanese campaign but were defeated.It was also Churchill who immediately proclaimed the USSR to be the next great enemy of the west with his Iron Curtain speech, while USA still had friendly relations with USSR at the time.Britain absolutely identified the USSR as a major threat and saw the problematic aspects of allowing the USSR dominance in eastern Europe, but by 1945 the vast majority of allied forces and resources were American, and America did not join the war over Poland. They had completely different interests and were more concerned with their new spheres of responsiblity in Asia and Western Europe, rather than expanding ww2 because the Brits were having a moral crisis.
>>17278458>(like the Soviet republics or Canada at the time)No? Neither the UK or the USSR put the leader of their secret service in charge of Canada or Poland. >>17278009>Actual Dutch are a minority in their own homeland.No, not at all. Most of the population is still "European", including me.You are confusing "Should be" with "Are". Common right wing mistake to make. >Inb4 If you were actually white you wouldn't be saying thatI believe in justice. That is more important than my "ethnic in group".
>>17278430https://archive.today/3d5iUNazis ‘offered to leave western Europe in exchange for free hand to attack USSR’It was one of the most perplexing episodes of the Second World War which, more than 70 years on, remains shrouded in mystery.But a new book claims to have solved the riddle of the flight to Britain in 1941 of Rudolf Hess, Adolf Hitler’s deputy.Hess’s journey to Britain by fighter aircraft to Scotland has traditionally been dismissed as the deranged solo mission of a madman.But Peter Padfield, an historian, has uncovered evidence he says shows that, Hess, the deputy Fuhrer, brought with him from Hitler, a detailed peace treaty, under which the Nazis would withdraw from western Europe, in exchange for British neutrality over the imminent attack on Russia.
>>17278458And I never used the word annexed, did I?Even though it can easily be argued that it was annexation in all but name if you start running down what the Czech 'protectorate' actually meant in practice.It's a play of words, similar to how the actual name of North Korea today is "The Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea".Czechia was essentially administered by Germany and all its resources, industry and population became disposals for the German state.
>>17278552>Hess was actually instructedThis doesnt really change anything even if it was true. It was still a madman action because it's completely illogical.There is a reason why peace talks are done through a third party during war. Because they are at war.What do you think would happen if a Hamas top leader flew to Tel aviv to "discuss peace".Or if Medvedev flew to Kiev.Or if Beria had flown to Berlin in 1942.If you cant figure out the correct answer then let me help you: They would all have been thrown in chains immediately. No discussion. And they would likely have been questioned about virtually everything on their government, most likely under torture. This is why a top NSDAP official going directly to the enemy is nothing short of complete delusional madness. Hitler already knew Britain wasnt interested in any peace offers that didnt include a complete withdraw back to pre-1939 borders and getting rid of the NSDAP government. Nothing Hess was going to say was going to change this fact.This whole discussion about Hess stems from a single narrative; that stormfags expects everyone to do what is most convenient for Hitler, and if they dont, it simply makes Hitler a tragic misunderstood hero. It's such a gay narrative.
The destruction of Nazi Germany was the single greatest act of kindness, love, and goodness in human history. Not a single actual person died in the process, and humanity was enriched beyond compare.
>>17278598And it couldn't be accomplished in any other way than what history books claim happened.
>>17278606The only way it could ahve been accomplished would been to attack them in 1934. There was no need for a casus beli anyway. Nazi Germany was a illegitimate regime and could have been quickly deposed.
>>17278606It could. But that would also demand that Germany acts differently.
>>17278616*The only other way
>>17278549>No? Neither the UK or the USSR put the leader of their secret service in charge of Canada or PolandThe King was still in charge of Canada though. Which is why Canada joined the war. They were a de facto vassal.>>17278554It's literally not. The lands that were to be integrated into the Reich were as follows (seen on the map.) Czechia was no different than what the Soviets did post-war with EE. Goering basically confirmed in the Nuremberg that Hitler didn't care for Czechia outside of keeping them away from Soviet influence and preventing them from falling apart. It was a temporary solution that even Hitler wasn't happy with
>>17278587>They would all have been thrown in chains immediately. No discussion. And they would likely have been questioned about virtually everything on their government, most likely under torture.And then they would be kept in a solitary prison for 40+ years with no access to the outside world.
>>17278668Pretty sure Canada weren't under any obligation to go to war unlike ww1.
>>17278668The King is still "in charge" of Canada today. It doesn't make Canada a vassal Also you might need to read up on how a Constitutional monarchy works
>>17278681It literally was as not joining the war would have been rejection of the British king's authority. It would have fundamentally altered Canada's government.>>17278705Also, you might wanna suck my dick.
>>17278668>>17278707Canada voted to join ww2 you dumb moron.They literally held a vote in the parlament. Some MP voted against, but the majority voted for.Where the fuck are you even getting this bullshit from that they were obligated to join the war because of the British king? Retarded mutts like you literally dont understand the legal meanings in a European constitutional monarchy, so shut the fuck up.
>>17278668>It was a temporary solution that even Hitler wasn't happy withNo one is going to buy this bullshit propaganda.Hitler being baited into seizing the Czech state because there was "no other option" is such a dumb fucking hill to die on.The first thing he did was nationalizing the Czech industry, confiscating the gold reserve, and absorbing the powerful Czech armament because it was vital for the Polish and French campaign.This, while still claiming to be a victim. How very convenient for Hitler.Arguing with you fucks over this makes me realize even more why ww2 broke out. Imagine having to deal with this kind of autism on a diplomatic government level.Also, nice touch with your lies about Göring, since it was Göring who admitted to Henderson that he did threaten to bomb Prague unless Hacha didnt comply.
>>17278707>It would have fundamentally altered Canada's government.Fucking mutt mesizo faggot. Go on then, tell us everything you've learned from your mutt education on European politics.I love how this now has become the new stormfaggot talking point.Previously it was about how Churchill being god emperor of the UK and can do whatever he pleases, now it's been moved on to the king.
>>17278668>The King was still in charge of Canada though. The King had zero power in Canada. He was a ceremonial monarch and had been for literal centuries at this point. I know you are American and therefore most likely very stupid. But in most countries the head of state is NOT the head of government.
>>17279315why are we talking about Canada?
>>17277781>they doplease show me any document formal or otherwise typed up by their respective government and delivered by a wolf, bear, ant, or honeybee and I will concede.>ancestry is not race.Ancestry is race, no one has ever thought otherwise, if they did they were wrong, we know race exists.The Germans made a lot of claims about race however ancestry and race being different was never among them.>I dont understand what race is because I never got past Highschool bioYes we know. Races are macro-ethnic groups, just regional subgroups are micro-ethnic groups.No one needs you to tell them where their family begins and ends, they do this on their own, the fact there can be variation in standards does not prove the standards are unreal, it proves the standards come from varied people.
>>17277767>Revenge of Versailles>Germanys place in the Sun>Realpolitik>Colonial ambitionsOk but do you have any real reasons that arent you listing the Alternative Historical Focus Tree from HOI4?
>>17276502>I'd take Britain/France too, hoping to keep the Nazis in check while I worry about the Soviets.This shows how immensly incompetent was Germany's diplomacy towards Poland. Instead of recognizing the Soviets as the biggest threat and doing everything possible to sway Poland on their side, they started chimping out for the sake of 350-400 000 Germans (while Germany, without Austria, had 69 million), which resulted in a complete collapse of any possibilities of peace in western Europe. The guarantees for Poland by the Brits were a trap, and Germany fell for it completely.
>>17278549>I believe in justice. That is more important than my "ethnic in group".>justice is when I get replaced so 90IQ nafris can finish what Hitler startedL O Lyour post wouldnt be so comical if it happened about two months ago before Nafris ran a real shoah on 120 some jews in Ik ook land.
>>17280377It's a traditional Germanic sentiment that I wouldn't expect you to be able to understand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_iustitia,_et_pereat_mundus
>>17274633>>17277409https://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068Did Hitler Want War?>Why did Warsaw not negotiate with Berlin, which was hinting at an offer of compensatory territory in Slovakia? Because the Poles had a war guarantee from Britain that, should Germany attack, Britain and her empire would come to Poland’s rescue.>But why would Britain hand an unsolicited war guarantee to a junta of Polish colonels, giving them the power to drag Britain into a second war with the most powerful nation in Europe?>Was Danzig worth a war? Unlike the 7 million Hong Kongese whom the British surrendered to Beijing, who didn’t want to go, the Danzigers were clamoring to return to Germany.>Comes the response: The war guarantee was not about Danzig, or even about Poland. It was about the moral and strategic imperative “to stop Hitler” after he showed, by tearing up the Munich pact and Czechoslovakia with it, that he was out to conquer the world. And this Nazi beast could not be allowed to do that.> If true, a fair point. Americans, after all, were prepared to use atom bombs to keep the Red Army from the Channel. But where is the evidence that Adolf Hitler, whose victims as of March 1939 were a fraction of Gen. Pinochet’s, or Fidel Castro’s, was out to conquer the world?
>>17280442Assumptions not based on any sources. Rydz-Smigly said this in 1935 (four years before any British guarantees).>“…We will not behave aggressively toward our neighbors, but we will also not give in. We will not shed our clothes…not even a button.”Why the author claims that Poland did not negotiate with Germany because of British guarantees? >Danzig More dishonesty. It clearly wasn't just a war for Danzig. Germany annexed much more than Danzig, they also signed a treaty with the Soviets that essentially split Eastern Europe into two spheres of influence. >last one Just more nonsense. > stop Hitler” after he showed, by tearing up the Munich pact and Czechoslovakia with it, that he was out to conquer the world.No. He showed that he couldn't be trusted and clearly wanted to establish German hegemony at least in Eastern Europe. In late 1939 they already controlled Czechoslovakia, Hungary was basically their vassal, they forced Romania to sign an economic treaty (and then basically partitioned it, but that was during the war). Now this country wanted to erase Poland from the map - the largest country in East-Central Europe with more than 32 million people.
>>17280480My question is: when should Britain intervene? Because at some point Germany would be strong enough to turn them into their vassals. The argument that Hitler liked Britain is laughable, really. The Germans liked Poland until Poland refused their demands. Afterwards Poland became an illegitimate country that genocides poor ethnic Germans. What about this scenario: Germany became the most powerful country in Europe, Hitler never broke his promise (unlikely), but he died. His successor actually doesn't like Britain that much and demands the return of German colonies. What now? Now Britain isn't strong enough to refuse these demands.
>>17280480>Now this country wanted to erase Poland from the map - the largest country in East-Central Europe with more than 32 million people.That's USSR in 1945 and somehow the allies didn't mind
>>17280535But the Soviets didn't erase Poland from the map. Also, this is hardly even related. Holy fuck, can you people argue in good faith at least once?
>>17280546>can you people argue in good faith at least once?Can you? You are talking semantics. Less that 50% of the country remained after the USSR annexation. The parliamentary election in 1947 was stolen - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Polish_parliamentary_electionThe era of Stalinism and massive censorship started https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Communist_Poland
>>17280614>can you Sure. But first you should stop changing the topic. By the way the East part was taken already in 1939, thanks to the German-Soviet pact. The rest was annexed by Germany or turned into GG which was certainly leff free than Polish People's Republic.
>>17280636I am curious what is the point you are trying to make?
>>17273563this post windows the discourse in the idea that the allies were the only ones w/agency in starting the conflict when the nazis declared war on two of them>the us>the sovietsand marched into a state protected by the other two>poland, explicitly guaranteed by the uk and francegermany wanted war, op's attachment spells it out pretty clearly, the nazis were just upset that it started before they were ready
>>17280656No, the question is - was it worth it, considering the amount of human misery. If the west didn't intervene Hitler would have taken over the Eastern Europe. Instead we gave EE to Stalin who was actually worse than Hitler.Was it right for the West to stick their nose in Eastern European affairs?
>>17280651And what's your point? This is about 1939, yet your first argument is what happened to Poland in 1945. Everything that happened to Poland in 1945 was the result of Hitler's war.
>>17280675>was it worth itagain, this implies it was a question- do the soviets just let the nazis achieve their historical mission of total annihilation of both it's experiment and it's peoples? does the us just ignore declarations of war? do britain and france just ignore their guarantees? the nazis were the ones that wanted the drive to the east, declared war on the us and invaded poland- they were the deciding factor and they decided on war, the allies' choice was to respond or cease to exist as they did>If the west didn't intervene Hitler would have taken over the Eastern Europe. Instead we gave EE to Stalin who was actually worse than Hitler.apologist nonsense>annihilation of the eastern nations and colonisation in service of german capitalists compensating for their late triumph over aristocratic interestsor>subjugation during the cold war, some reparative extraction from germany itselfonly one who seeks to benefit from the former would choose it>Was it right for the West to stick their nose in Eastern European affairs?was it right for germany to stick their nose in eastern european affairs?
>>17280685>Everything that happened to Poland in 1945 was the result of Hitler's war.What if the war could be avoided?
>>17280442>1Because making territorial deals with Germany had a history of imploding the nation, as Czechoslovakia only happened a few months ago.>2The war wasnt about helping Poland. It was about stopping Germany.>3Idk maybe ask Germany if Danzig was worth a war. This whole narrative that every responsibility and agency is always on Britain is kinda fake and gay.As we saw with the German victory over Poland, it was clearly not about Danzig since Germany annexed half of their share of Poland, which also contridicted Hitlers whole claim of only acting in peopels right to self-determination.Hong Kong is such a retarded example to prove a point because Britain was literally legaly bound to release Hong Kong but still pressured China to grant them special autonomy despite them not being obligated to do so.Also 1990 Britain and the world was entirely different from 1930.What a fucking desperate narrative btw. Makes me not take Buchanan seriously because he is blatantly ignoring context.>4Yes, or at least that's how Britain and France percieved the situation.>5I literally have no idea what fucking point hes trying to make here. How is Cuba or Chile even remotely similar to Germany becoming aggressively becoming a dominant force in continental Europe? Buchanan is literally ignoring his own counter-argument made on #4
>>17280675Could you make a point without using hindsight.I dont think so.
>>17280884Do you need a napkin?
>>17280895So I ask you again, Could you make the same point without using hindsight?In a logical and rational way.
If it weren't for his Lebensraum autism and instead would've followed an isolationist ideology, Hiler could've been one of the more fondly remembered historical figures.
>>17280969I am confused. Are you saying our leaders lacked the foresight necessary to make an optimal decision back then? Hitler was right about USSR?Hitler had the necessary foresight, yet we decided not to listen?
>>17278845>>17279315And Czechia could have voted not to join Germany in its war.
>>17280998He should have worked slowly and methodically. In hindsight it looks like a winning strategy.
>>17280998>Hiler could've been one of the more fondly remembered historical figures.He's already considered as such.
>>17280348>It has to be a formal documentNo? It doesn't. Conquest existed before nation states.>Ancestry is raceThey aren't. Ancestry is ancestry and ancestry is race. >The Germans made a lot of claims about race however ancestry and race being different was never among them.Their ideas regarding race were discredited. Thus also their ideas regarding ancestry, then.>Yes we know.No, you do not. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of biology. There is no such thing as a micro or macro ethnic group outside the purely memetic. It's not a biological reality.>No one needs you to tell them where their family begins and ends, they do this on their own, I agree. That is, for instance, why I think nothing of exterminating every right winger in my country. Or why I do not care about some random girl getting raped. They are not part of my family. >the fact there can be variation in standards does not prove the standards are unreal, it proves the standards come from varied people.It shows there is no biological reality, only vague perceptions not rooted in fact.
>>17281056He's considered the single most evil man in human history. >>17281041He couldn't. Literally, they didn't receive a vote.
>>17281062>He's considered the single most evil man in human history.I think Gen. Patton might have had a different opinion.
>>17281018>I am confusedOh ok let me rephrase it then.Your argument was that Britain and France should not made the actions they did in 1939, because of how things turned out in 1945.This is correct right? That's the argument in >>17280675And this argument isnt based entirely on hindsight?Doesnt this demand the question; what incentive existed in 1939 that would have pointed that the situation in 1945 was going to be the outcome?How would they have known in 1939, that Hungary, Jugoslavia, Romania, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania etc would fall under the USSR? What incentive existed in 1939?Also, the argument demands that Britain and France should and could have predicted the future, so the question thus become; why couldnt Germany also predict the outcome in 1945? Why didnt they immediately pull out of Poland on September 3 when it was clear Britain and France werent bluffing? Why couldnt the Germans predict that their actions was in 6 years going to result in +40 million deaths and half of Europe fall under communism and Germany bombed to shit. Because you're applying this logic to Britain.So again, How can you make this argument, without using hindsight? From a logical and rational way.Go on.
>>17281220Because Germs are good bois who dind nuffin
>>17281062>He's considered the single most evil man in human history.By who? Not by any normal people that's for sure. Good people worship him, evil people abhor him. But at the end of the day he remains as the most popular world figure since Caesar.
>>17281281I also notice how he immediately slithered away as soon as he was pressured to rationalize his argument, I wasnt even asking for sources, just a logical rationalization, and the fucking retard immediately folded.He probably fucked off to re-watch some of his Zoomer Historian videos to see if he can find any counter-arguments to a question that is litersally based on fucking common sense, but because his entire position is based on propaganda sperged by some 14 year old youtuber he literally has no idea how to rationalize them in a debate.It's a common debate tactic among Hitlerists /pol/tard tourists on this board to just throw as much past as they can on the wall to see what sticks, and as soon as the argument doesnt hold, they just move on to the next talkingpoint.
>>17281220>How would they have known in 1939, that Hungary, Jugoslavia, Romania, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania etc would fall under the USSR? What incentive existed in 1939?>Also, the argument demands that Britain and France should and could have predicted the future, so the question thus become; why couldnt Germany also predict the outcome in 1945?I'm not the anon you're arguing with but the answer is pretty simple. After the fall of France the UK had zero chance of winning the war. They didn't need clairvoyance to understand that. Even if by some miracle they won the war, it would have been a self-destructive pyrrhic victory (which basically turned out to be regardless). They were starving by late 1940 and entirely reliant on either the US or the USSR joining the war on their side. And once the USSR was in the war and Germany defeated, do you think the UK with its paltry army could have stopped the Soviet advance of 200+ million people? Not even the US would have been able to do it and that was exactly what happened. When everything could have easily been prevented post-France with all sides coming to agree to terms with Hitler at the time was more than happy to.
>>17281495>they were starving by late 1940Source?
>>17281510Search British rationig during ad post WW2 and Churchill letters to Roosevelt.
>>17281354Humans.Only subhuman freaks like you think he's good. Since you are not human, you do not count as people. Therefore people only view him as bad. >>17281070I think general Paton should be happy his career ended before he dragged the USA into a unwinnable war against the USSR.
>>17281516>searchNo. Post your source. How many people died in this famine?
>>17281516>Rationing is the same thing as starvingAlso you're going to have to be a bit more specific about the letter.
>>17281059Conquest did not exist prior to human organization.Ancestry is Race, race is defined by who you are descended from, who you are descended from is your Ancestry.>discreditedNope, the Germans were right, the Indo-European hypothesis was proven correct, by a jew no less LOL.Nothing I said is incorrect. >there is no such thing as micro or macro ethnic groupDelusional, this is like saying there are no individual cells that compose the body and the body exists entirely independently of other bodies as if it didnt even need to be born it just emerged by pure creation.You are deranged and also wrong. We can look at groupings and subgroups, a lack of taxa is a lack of study, it does not in fact mean you are unrelated to your mother ancestrally because scientist never made the connection for you personally.>exterminating people who dont want to go extinct.We're done here. You are wrong and also deluded, you were proven wrong scientifically on race, you fucked up and said the German ideas of race were discredited (ignoring that this board has been seen by Reich himself), and you are wholesale against the existence of White people.Look bro, if you arent a White nationalist, fuck you, I want to live, kill yourself if you're so intent on being annihilated.
>>17281495>Anon talks about 1939>immediately changes the subject to 1940Answer his question properly>the UK had zero chance of winning the warThing is standing alone in Europe wasn't exactly a new situation for the UK, they'd done it against Napoleon and believed (rightly as it turned out) they could do it again.Two further points:1 - The outcome was never fully determined until the end of the war, Britain was proposing schemes to counter soviet occupation of Eastern Europe throughout the war, though these were turned down by America. Things could have gone a thousand different ways. 2 - 1945 was strategically a better position for the British than 1940. Their primary rival was no longer a short hop across the English channel but across Europe, stuck behind a now defeated Germany and bottled up in the Baltic and Black seas.
>>17281220>isnt based entirely on hindsightits not, they had the knowledge then to know plunging the world into another global war would be catastrophic for everyone.They chose to escalate to Danzig-Polish War from Germany v Poland into Germany v the world.>how would they have knownyou chose a terrible point to make because THEY DID KNOW LOLin the 1930s Churchill was giving speeches about how Communism had to be stopped by force as it had gripped the asiatics by their hair and was driving its talons into everything it could reach.He said this multiple times as a caveat while he testified on behalf of international jews in the Peel Commission.Dont even get me started on France who's leadership was preparing to have a civil war with the communists in France.They saw the USSR supporting communists in Germany and later Spain, they knew what the aims of the Communists were, their experience with communists fleeing Russia was entirely tinted by Trostskyism.>could have predicted the futureFirstly they did, given their feelings on communism in the 1920s and 1930s.Secondly it doesnt demand that at all, it simply points out how going to war with Germany was the worst possible outcome, something everyone had known since 1916.>Why couldnt Germany also predict the outcomeThey did, they said Germany must win or be destroyed, is Germany foolish for trying to win? They had unparalleled military success for two straight years, for a country with WWI in living memory who could blame them for thinking the solar system was the prize?>youre applying this logic to Britainnope, we are pointing out Britain WON and it looked like they lost. Germany didnt even win so the question is irrelevant for them.>without Hindsightbecause of what the British literally said as far back as 1890, a War between White Empires will be catastrophic for Whites in totality.
>>17281393>boogeymanI think youre mad Zoomer Historian has BTFO three generations of anti-Hitler cope.
>>17280998Lebensraum was mentioned by Hitler less than the British, French, The Economy, Communism, and even Italy.Lebensraum is a post war fabrication to turn the event into a narrative.>the villains motivation? oh he wanted to conquer everything to make it Living SpaceThe Germans, let alone Hitler, never ever wanted this realistically, its in the same passages about Hitler wondering whom will win the race for space and will America and China finally have their showdown for world hegemony.Poles attach themselves to this because they can Kurwa about getting their assess beaten in the 1700s and a handful of Prussian families settling on uninhabited land claimed by Polish ultranationalists.
>>17280884>>17280969Yes. Churchill, Chamberlain, Halifax, and Sykes (who dead by the time of WWII) all pointed out the expansive and aggressive nature of communism, especially with its talent for subversion and proxy war. They correctly pointed out Europeans lost something after the first war and would lose everything if they ever repeated the mistake.Are you trying to suggest a repeat of WWI wouldnt have been equally as catastrophic? It has the same fundamental players, Germany, Austria, Britain, France, and Russia.It was significantly worse than WWI, a fact no one is claiming they knew at the time, but to say they believed the outcome would be BETTER than WWI is just absurd.The British and the French were under the sways of international jewry, they couldnt reason correctly so we have to hear absurd things like "uhhhhh how would anyone know WWI round 2 wouldnt be the deathknell of Europeans???"They watched America and Russia rise to surpass them and it never once occurred to them "We need to unify based on our shared heritage as Western Europeans".Not as Capitalists, Liberals, Anglophones, or friends of Israel, but the Historical Phenomena they were.Britain and France totally failed to do this.
>>17281495This demands that Britain had knowledge that Germany was going to invade USSR, and the debate in the cabinet to discuss peace with Germany occured in May 1940.This also demands that you explore the alternative option to continue the war, with the risk of a greater Soviet Union.Something you havent done in your post.So what was the alternative to continue the war? It was to submit to a German continental hegemony. This might sound great to someone who is fundementally pro-Hitler, but pretend for a moment that you are Britain and you are given this choice in 1940.Something that WILL happen if you sue for peace, or something that MIGHT happen if you continue the war.Because the British did not know about Barbarossa, but it's true that they did bet on the fact that Germany and USSR would fight eventually, but the outcome of that fight is also uncertain, it does not necessarily have to produce a winner. The Germans and the Russians could just as likely be bogging themselves down to a grinding stalemate, and they probably would have without Lend-Lease (Which was an American effort).So even here, you need to make your point without using hindsight, and you're relying a lot on hindsight atm for your argument to be logical. Britain had 2 choices and they simply chose what they percieved to be the better choice of two terrible choices. Germany was closer to Britain and thus a much more critical threat as a hegemony than Russia.
>>17281633It's crazy that you can write so much and say nothing of value.
>>17281643Shit, I quoted wrong post, lol. Sorry. >>17281608>>17281570
>>17281542https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feeding_Britain_in_the_Second_World_WarApproximately 4 million people also died in India for feeding the isles.>>17281545It is, unless you think eating bread is nutritious>>17281564>Answer his question properlySo Britain was unable to reverse it's policy post-1939 when it was clear they couldn't win? Why did they persist with the war when France fell? What possibly gain they could have gotten out of it?>Thing is standing alone in Europe wasn't exactly a new situation for the UK, they'd done it against Napoleon and believed (rightly as it turned out) they could do it again.Done what? They only won against Napoleon because of his blunder with Russia. The difference being there that they had a lot of counter-balance in Europe to land power still remaining in Austria-Hungary, Prussia, Spain and even the Ottomans. They had no such cushion in WWII. If Stalin wasn't as cautious as he was, he could have also easily rolled into Western Europe and installed puppet regimes there and there was nothing the UK or the US would have been able to do about it.>2 - 1945 was strategically a better position for the British than 1940. Their primary rival was no longer a short hop across the English channel but across Europe, stuck behind a now defeated Germany and bottled up in the Baltic and Black seas.In what possible way? They were dirt broke, starving, their entire empire in open rebellion and became sort of a little brother to the US. They became a third rate country post-WWII surpassed by even the likes of France, Italy and Spain.
>>17281510>>17281542>>17281545Hes literally making shit up. Britain never EVER had to rationed food during ww2, they were rationing commodities like butter, sugar, jam etc. The only exception being certain meat.But they never rationed bread, rice, fish, fruit, etc. The real necessity.This was the total wartime ration per person:Bacon & Ham 4 ozOther meat value of 1 shilling and 2 pence (equivalent to 2 chops)Butter 2 ozCheese 2 ozMargarine 4 ozCooking fat 4 ozMilk 3 pintsSugar 8 ozPreserves 1 lb every 2 monthsTea 2 ozEggs 1 fresh egg (plus allowance of dried egg)Sweets 12 oz every 4 weeksHow this translates to "starvation" according to stormies is yet to be unanswered. They mostly make shit up to have any kind of argument.
>>17281659So no famine? There was actually a famine in 1918 Germany with hundred of thousands dying, but you claim they basically won the war and were stabbed in the back.
>>17281676Stormfags claim that Britain was starving when krauts used to eat sawdust for bread not too long ago
>>17281643>>17281653no, your inner spirit convinced you of the truth, then your soi mind took over and in true "thinking man's fetish" type you instead derailed yourself.
>>17281679Didn't a lot of Brits also died of famine in WW1? Both sides had it extremely bad but only Germany had to force unconditional surrender because of mass boycotts at home.
>>17281633>this demands Britian had knowledgeNo, it demands Britian knew the Americans were supporting them and the German-Soviet treaty wouldnt last forever. All things the British LITERALLY SAID YOU FUCKING GORILLA.>German continental hegemony is when Prussia minus the colonies existsL O LFirstly, there was no danger of German continental hegemony.Secondly, so what? France's continental hegemony didnt lead to any catastrophic collapse and extinction of the European peoples.Charlemagne didnt lead to collapse.People TODAY TWO THOUSAND YEARS LATER still pine for the days of the Roman Empire's continental hegemony.Shut the fuck up about "continental hegemony". It was a real threat at that time.>b-b-but Germany would run EuropeThe EU is a continental hegemon.The United States runs Europe AND THEY ARENT EVEN IN EUROPE.You are essentially looking at Britian vs Germany on a map and leaving out the vast British Empire.Continental Hegemony was not a threat, Britain was the closest to continental hegemon until they declared war on Germany, and even if Germany conquered all of continental Europe, Britian still would hold a larger share of world influence and thus European influence like how the Americans do today.
>>17281676>>17281685>Britain was rationing but it wasnt THAT badyou lost.When are the British going to start rationing British people? I heard those are in short supply what with all the interracial rapes, murders, and genocide the British people at the hands of the jews.
>>17281696No. They had food shortages and predicted there will be a famine, but the war ended before that. In Germany 500,000 or so starved to death.
>>17281554>Conquest did not exist prior to human organization.It did. Monkey's partook in it. As do Ants.>race is defined by who you are descended from,It's not. Because most of hte population has the same few ancestors if you go back far enough. >Nope, the Germans were right, the Indo-European hypothesis was proven correct, by a jew no less LOL.It was totally discredited. >elusional, this is like saying there are no individual cells that compose the body and the body exists entirely independently of other bodies as if it didnt even need to be born it just emerged by pure creation.No, because bodies are clearly defined. There is no ambiguity. You even admit yourself macro ethnic groups are just made up bullshit.>>exterminating people who don't want to go extinct.They aren't people in the first people. >Look bro, if you arent a White nationalist, fuck you, I want to live,If you are a white nationalist, you are fundamentally evil and deserve to be exterminated. The sooner you are lying in a mass grave, the better. Not just for myself, but you as well. Evil exists to be destroyed, and it is only in being destroyed that you can find any kind of worth.
>>17281720>In Germany 500,000 or so starved to deathAccording to?
>>17281570The existence of Nazi Germany escalated the war against all of the world. The British correctly understood they were, by every measure, the larger threat and had to be destroyed first.>nope, we are pointing out Britain WON and it looked like they lostThey didn't.
>>17281570>from Germany v Poland into Germany v the world.Nope, it became a Germany vs France and Britain war.It was Germany and Japan who turned the war global in 1941.>going to war with Germany was the worst possible outcome, something everyone had known since 1916.The idea was to stop Germany before they could become stronger, so you're actually just proving my point.>They did, they said Germany must win or be destroyed, is Germany foolish for trying to win? So why were they "trying to win" if the outcome of 1945 was certain to everybody already in 1939? Cause that's the enitre fucking premise of your argument retard.Why is Germany given the benefit of a doubt to the war but Britain and France shouldnt? And should in fact have been able to predict the outcome and thus they are held responsible for the outcome according to stormies like yourself.>Germany didnt even win so the question is irrelevant for them.How hard is it for you to have a coherent debate?How is it irrelevant that Germany suicided their own nation and the entire continent in a war everyone could have predicted the outcome of already in 1939.ThisIsYourArgument.
>>17281585>Lebensraum is a post war fabrication to turn the event into a narrative.So he killed about 40 million civilians by accident?If so, then that's even more reason why his state should have been destroyed as quickly and violently as possible.
>>17281719You said they were starving.Rationing bacon doesn't mean people can't eat, you dolt.
>>17281727>They didn't.What did they win?
>>17281721Monkeys and ants dont have formalized organizations therefore can not engage in conquest. they only engage in territorialism.>totally discreditedActually it was proven correct.>https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14317Not going to bother reading the rest.You're not pro-White therefore you can not be reasoned with.
>>17281726>The German Board of Public Health claimed that 763,000 German civilians died from starvation and disease caused by the blockade through December 1918. An academic study done in 1928 put the death toll at 424,000.
>>17281719>Cant rationalize his argument further>Instead wants to talk about /pol/ optics of 2024>In a history boardWhy are Hitler-apologists like this? Isnt this just not shitposting?
>>17281727>the existence of nations independent of israel is an act of war>Britain lost WWIIIs this a federal agent having a redpill moment?
>>17281711>Continental Hegemony was not a threat, Of course it was a threat. It was always a threat, and the British always acted the same way. They literally spend the last three hundred or so years preventing a continental hegemon from being able to challenge them and that always worked out well for them.
>>17281659>So Britain was unable to reverse it's policy post-1939 when it was clear they couldn't win? Firstly they did winSecondly that's very clearly not what I was saying. Simply the situation after France fell was completely different to the situation in 1939. >Done what? Read any history book. Mass bomb Germany and support pro-British lobbies in the USA and other neutral states>he could have also easily rolled into Western Europe In 1940 the possibility of that for a chance to restore the western european democracies was a good bet for BritainAlthough he would have had to deal with the Anglo-American armies and their new bomb>In what possible way? By not having their main rival next door? >their entire empire in open rebellion India had already been promised indepedance prior to the war, the remaining Empire was still under British control until the 60s>surpassed by even the likes of France, Italy and Spain>SpainLmao
>>17281742The war. They won the war when the consequences for losing would have been far worse.
>>17281739You mean the illegitimate German government that took power? Check how many died from the influenza outbreak in Britain due to the war.
>>17281743>Monkeys and ants dont have formalized organizationsYou don't need formal organizations to conquer, anon.>Actually it was proven correctIt wasn't. It even flat out says it was only partly responsible for the language, let alone any genetic component.>You're not pro-White therefore you can not be reasoned with.White is not a real group. Simply a means to do evil. if you are white, you are not capable of reason and should be liquidated.
>>17281743Eh, the Nazis though Indo-Europeans are native to North Europe. I think they claimed that Funnelbeakers were Indo-Europeans. A Marxist historian called Gordon Childe correctly placed their homeland on the Eurasian steppes. >In 1902, Kossinna identified the Proto-Indo-Europeans with the Corded Ware culture, an argument that gained in currency over the following two decades. Kossinna placed the Proto-Indo-European homeland in western central Europe, north of the alps.[8] >Following his death, his followers held high-profile positions under the Nazi regime, including Hans Reinerth, who held Kossinna's former chair at the University of Berlin between 1934 and 1945, and his views were incorporated into the curriculum in German schools.[6]So yeah, not quite.
>>17281751>>the existence of nations independent of israel is an act of warThe existence of Nazi germany is a declaration of war for the same reason the existence of a state like Isreal is.>>Britain lost WWIINo, they won.
Oh look, it's the green-text spamming Amerimutt anon who starts chainposting like it's his job every day around 19.00 UTC.How nice to see you again fucking pathetic German nationalist Larping mutt faggot. No one care about how much you hate niggers and trannies in 2024 on a fucking history board.
>>17281756>Firstly they did winWon what exactly?>Mass bomb Germany and support pro-British lobbies in the USA and other neutral statesThe UK's air force was vastly inferior to the German airforce and they couldn't bomb Germany until the Germans got curbstomped by the Soviets. The US wouldn't have done shit without 80% of the German force being occupied in the Western front. >Although he would have had to deal with the Anglo-American armies and their new bombThe Anglo-American armies wouldn't have odne shit to stop the 10 million men in Europe that the Soviets had. Especially given America was still in contention with the japanese. Stalin also knew of the bomb around this time and the US had like 2 of those at best to throw.>By not having their main rival next door?What rival when Germany never tried to threaten Britain once and Hitler was very warm towards the UK until the start of the war. Not to mention Germany never built a navy to threaten the UK in the first place.>India had already been promised indepedance prior to the war, the remaining Empire was still under British control until the 60sIs that why the UK was desperately trying to hold it and only gave up after seeing they had no chance and were dirt broke?>LmaoYes?
>>17281789>The UK's air force was vastly inferior to the German airforceThey literally defeated Germany in the Battle of England. My sides, now we're entering a schizo fantasy land.
>>17281732>France and Britian which as a collective held influence over a majority of the planet, thus the Germany vs the World.>stop Germany before they became strongerWhy?They didnt stop the USSR or the Americans, all of whom quickly outpaced the Germans in strength acquisition.Was Prussia 1871 really stronger than the United States and USSR? Was it really stronger than the British Empire?Why didnt Britain try to stop Prussia in 1871 if they were such a threat to them?Right because these arent real reasons, this is you post-hoc trying to rationalize the mindbogglingly stupid decisions made by the British and French.>why did Germany try to win WWIIThis IsYourArgumentI should leave you here, but I will unpack your post more.You arent actually making a defense of British foreign policy, you are strawmanning the argument against British foreign policy by saying history as it happened couldnt have been changed.However this is retarded because multiple different outcomes could have been had. Its not set in stone the British NEEDED to fight Germany. Churchill would go to debtors prison and be remembered as the peace martyr who put Hitler in the doghouse, Germans and Britons would laugh at the newspaper comics of Churchill and Hitler slamming barred doors on each other as the phony war comes to a close, The Haganah-Irgun war occurs a decade earlier and leads to the assassination of Bernard Baruch Chaim Wiezmann and Samuel Untermeyer, Israel is a normal functional state, the USSR collapses like the failed asiatic mongrel project it is, America and the Soviets either form a bloc against Europe or normalize relations.There is no reason this couldnt have happened if different decisions had been made.The British had agency, after Germany played their hand there was no one but jewish interests forcing Britain to play their absolutely garbage dogshit hand.
>>17281771From Childe: >Even in barbarian Eirrope the material culture of the Nordics was not originally superior to that of the Danubian peasants or the megalith-builders ; in Transylvania they appear frankly as wreckers; in the Ancient East and the Aegean they appropriated and for a time impaired older and higher civilizations.Aryan bros, our response?
>>17281733I like how Hitler is so powerful you dont even need to name him, you just say "he" and we all instinctively know you're talking about Wotan's Avatar.>40m civiliansThe Russian Academy of Sciences has contested this claim, exonerating Hitler.You're a dumb Pole so you cant believe anything said by Russians.
>>17281789>The UK's air force was vastly inferior to the German airforceIt wasn't. They won the battle of Britain and largely denied Nazi Germany air supremacy for the rest of the war. >What rival when Germany never tried to threaten Britain onceThe one that was their rival literally less than three decades ago.>Is that why the UK was desperately trying to hold it and only gave up after seeing they had no chance and were dirt broke?They were so desperate they basically dropped it the moment the war ended without a fight.This isn't French in Algeria. They largely gave it away without a fight.
>>17281809You're too stupid to realize that1. That wasn't at all the full strength of the Luftwaffe2. They won because Goering completely blundered the attack
>>17281789Change the faces to Hitler and Mussolini and you'd get the real meme.
>>17281819>They won the battle of Britain and largely denied Nazi Germany air supremacy for the rest of the war.The entire Luftwaffe was in the Eastern front, retard. They didn't deny shit.>The one that was their rival literally less than three decades ago.Huh?>They were so desperate they basically dropped it the moment the war ended without a fight.2 years is 'the moment'? Also, they idea that Britain didn't want to keep India is ridiculous. They COULDN'T.
>>17281757what would the consequences of not fighting have been?>>17281746>make three 2k character posts >"thats not enough"Why are they like this?You have the mind of a child.>>17281753>it was always a threatThe British didnt prevent German continental Hegemony in 1871.>they didnt have itThen Hitler wouldnt have had it either because his ultimate goal for his time in office was something like Germany 1871.>Britian always tried to prevent itnope.Romans, Charlemagne, Habsburgs, Prussia, Soviets, Americans, it was either an unfounded concern or not a concern at all.>worked out well for themThey didnt pay off their debts until the past decade, until the 2010s. They were suffering for over T W O H U N D R E D Y E A R S because of this "muh continental hegemon.This is either a fake reason or total stupidity.
>>17281821So they could win, but they actually didn't. 4D chess or something.
>>17281765You're anti-White, why should White men take anything you say seriously.White is good, pure, Just. Nafri brown is bad, smelly, stinky, poopy coded.>>17281771They said the IE urheimat was in Europe if not in Germany, they were correct on both accounts, not only was Yamnaya a European phenomena, in the Ukraine where the Germans first imagined it, but the National Socialists themselves like Himmler were vindicated as Corded Ware which is the "true" Indo-European progenitor had a near 1:1 overlap with Prussia itself.>>17281774You claim to be Dutch, but you're against The existence of the Dutch. Why?
>>17281776Mad because everytime I show up you are humiliated in front of all 3 of the 4trans /his/trionic board users.
>>17281842But they weren't. Indo-Europeans originated in Russia, between Lower Volga and Don. Corded Ware is just a Western expansion of steppe migrants.
>>17281839>ermmm Hannibal kind of sucked because he lost at Zama shut up, retard.
>>17281827Mussolini and Hitler didnt set Europe on fire, hand it over to jewish communists, and then literally die of degenerate excess as their race went extinct.Hitler went down like Wotan literally an act of his own will brought him down.Mussolini died like a Roman too good for Rome.
>>17281810>They didnt stop the USSRThe USSR was largely isolationist and generally hard for the British to fight. It's not like you can naval blockade them.>AmericansAmerica and UK relationship had largely been almost entirely positive ever since the Venezuelan crisis of 1902–1903. The USA displayed little territorial ambition outside of possibly against Japan, who the UK disliked. >Was Prussia 1871 really stronger than the United States and USSR?They were stronger than a country that straight up didn't exist. As for the USA, militarily Prussia WAS a larger threat. >Why didnt Britain try to stop Prussia in 1871 if they were such a threat to them?Mostly due to Bismark's deception and French's aggression. Few people expected it would end with a unified Germany. Let alone one that would quickly prove itself a far bigger issue than Russia.>Right because these arent real reasonsThey were. British foreign policy was, and always has been, fairly straightforward. Stop a continental hegemon at all cost and protect their colonial interests. That generally saw them oppose the French, and also the Spanish back when they were relevant, in Europe while trying to facilitate trade in America and Asia. If they made a mistake, one that arguably caused this whole mess to start, it was doing the Crimea war. A war mostly started out of a misguided, if understandable, fear of Russia that ended up having devastating long term consequences for the balance of power in Europe. >you are strawmanning the argument against British foreign policy by saying history as it happened couldnt have been changed.Germany and the UK were basically destined to clash the moment Germany decided to start building a navy. It's certainly possible that the conflict could have been resolved differently, like Germany being totally dismantled at the end of WW1. By the time Hitler was in charge however, there was no alternative but total war.
>still wasting time on that neo-nazi retard lol, what kind of stupid shit is this time? Hacha wanting to be fucked by Germany? Poles invading Danzig by having soldiers at Westerplatte? Munich having expiration date of two months?
>>17281816I'll grant you "It" might be more fitting.>The Russian Academy of Sciences has contested this claim, exonerating Hitler.By having him only kill 20 million people? Wow, such a massive difference.
>>17281849Corded Ware isnt an expansion of Western Steppe Herder, they were contemporary and originated as a fusion of Baltic EHG males and proto-Yamnaya females.not a single IE country lacks CWC R1b and R1a, except for Yamnaya who lack R1a entirely and CWC R1b.
>>17281828>The entire Luftwaffe was in the Eastern front, retard. They didn't deny shit.The entire Luftwaffe, during the battle of Britain, was fighting in England. Are you claiming they just sat around occupied Poland not doing anything?>Huh?World war 1? Hello? You are aware of that event, right? >2 years is 'the moment'?Yes? They were pretty busy during the war, you know.>They COULDN'T.They couldn't in 1920. The fact they dragged it out until 1945 doesn't change that.
>>17281863>largely isolationist>invades their neighbors in the 1920s>builds extensive support networks abroad in the 1930s>literally invades other countries in the 1940s>inb5 Hitler forced Stalin to invade everyoneIn 1939 Stalin gave two speeches to the Politburo instructing them to prepare for military expansion.>entirely positivenope.The Great Reproachment was 1915.>little territorial ambitionMonroe Doctrine.The US was literally territorially expanding in 1902, by CONQUEST.The fucking Banana wars went on until 1934.Hitler himself was in power while the US was actively conquering land.You dont even know what you're talking about.>Prussia was stronger than the USIs that why modern Germany, stronger than Prussia, is an American satellite?America was always destined to be master of Europe if the Europeans remained divided.Hitler himself said in his Second Book the America might be the only true Super-Power humanity will ever produce.>British foreign policyNothing in their foreign policy explains destroying themselves for explicitly jewish interests.>destined to clashWhy? Germany was less expansive, less aggressive, and less strong than the United States, the only reason Britian and America didnt go to war is because the British knew theyd lose and lose hard.We Americans twisted their arm over this actually.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red>there was no alternative but total warexcept there was.There is no reason Britian couldnt have done what they did with the Americans.Hitler was FARRRR more pro-British than anyone in the United States ever was then let alone at present.Britain was either completely retarded or totally compromised by foreign interests.But keep ignoring the fact Britain gave up hegemony to my people without a fight LOL.That is why they go extinct, they fought the wrong enemy, and I get to enjoy watching you squirm and explain why "actually extinction is le good".
>>17281833>what would the consequences of not fighting have been?Being invaded in 1945 once the Germans became a continental hegemon. Possibly also the total destruction of all human civilization at the hands of Nazi Germany. >The British didnt prevent German continental Hegemony in 1871.Germany, even in 1871, was hardly a hegemony. Russia was a far bigger issue, and while relationships with French were starting to mend that was only after literal millennium of fights. >Then Hitler wouldnt have had it either because his ultimate goal for his time in office was something like Germany 1871.By default that would have been impossible since French was unwilling to give up Anzac Lorraine. Also, how did annexing Austria and bohemia play into that? Would have been one thing if he had tried to restore the Austria Hungarian Empire, unlikely as that might have been.>Romans, CharlemagneThere literally was no English state, let alone British one, back then.>HabsburgsThe English spend a stupid amount of time fighting the Spanish despite the fact they had one hell of a mutual enemy in the form of French. >Prussia,Was never, at any point, at risk of becoming a colonial hegemony. >Soviets,They tried to stop them in 1918 and wanted to take care of them after WW2. They also spend most of the cold war fighting communism. >AmericansHow the fuck are they a colonial hegemon? If you mean "of America", they were actually pretty open to supporting the Spanish post the Napoleonic war, but Ferdinand VII basically destroyed any chance of them maintaining their empire. After that relationships were somewhat anxious but largely remained affable, with any real tension effectively going away after the America's made it clear they were willing to support British interests in the America's.
>>17281886>In 1939 Stalin gave two speeches to the Politburo instructing them to prepare for military expansion.Post them, date and what he said.
>>17281864Hacha literally invited Germany in.Poles literally occupied Danzig and fired upon German civilian liners.Munich does actually have an expiration date, point 5.>>17281867by having him killed only about 14m and 10m of them being soldiers.
>>17281842White means evil. It is not a real identity.>You claim to be Dutch, but you're against The existence of the Dutch. Why?Not really, no. I'm against whiteness, but that's also because it's anti-dutch.>>17281856>Mussolini and Hitler didnt set Europe on fire, hand it over to jewish communists,That's literally what he did. Like, not even ambiguously. >Hitler went down like Wotan>Odin will fight the monstrous wolf Fenrir during the great battle at Ragnarök. Odin will be consumed by the wolf, yet Odin's son Víðarr will avenge him by stabbing the wolf in the heart.Not quite the same thing as dying in a bunker, crying because you accidentally killed your favorite dog.
>>17281892>Germany would have invaded Britain because?>destruction of human civilizationPost like a child and we will treat you like a child.>>17281893>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin%27s_speech_of_19_August_1939>https://magazines.gorky.media/novyi_mi/1994/12/proklinaya-poprobujte-ponyat.html
>>17281901You are brown. You dont even know what the Nibelungenlied is.You sound like a schizophrenic when you repeat to yourself "Whitey bad Whitey bad Whitey bad".Why are you in these threads? What are you trying to gain from being here?
For Reference, Wotan's heroic arc was wiling his own downfall. Even in the Norse myth Odin knows he will die yet fights the Fenris Wolf anyway.This is going down by an act of one's own will, literally what Hitler did.
>>17281886>>invades their neighbors in the 1920sYes? Then Stalin took over that lost. >>builds extensive support networks abroad in the 1930sNot really. He was still a pretty clean enemy of the communist international. >In 1939 Stalin gave two speeches to the Politburo instructing them to prepare for military expansion.Post Molotov Ribbentrop pact. >The Great Reproachment was 1915.It wasn't one singular event, you dunch. If a timeline can be attributed to it, it was typically 1895 to 1915. They were also pretty much always trading partners. >Monroe Doctrine.Yes? I explained this already. Uk and USA largely reached a agreement where the UK would respect America's sphere of influence under the understanding that the USA would respect British interests in America. Which... they did. It wasn't like the UK was plotting to annex Mexico and Canada. >The fucking Banana wars went on until 1934.What the fuck do you think the Banana wars were about?>Is that why modern Germany, stronger than Prussia, is an American satellite?Do you think America in 1871 is the exact same country as America in 2024?>America was always destined to be master of Europe if the Europeans remained divided.Oh, to be sure. Weren't there in 1871 though.>Nothing in their foreign policy explains destroying themselves for explicitly jewish interests.They literally spend four hundred years doing the exact same thing and yet you are somehow surprised they would try to prevent a continental hegemon. >Why? Because British security was directly linked to their naval dominance. The USA had zero interests in challenging that naval supremacy. >the only reason Britian and America didnt go to war is because the British knew theyd lose and lose hard.You are literally contradicting themselves.
>>17281886>There is no reason Britian couldnt have done what they did with the Americans.Yes, there are. Even ignoring the fact that Nazi Germany was run by a absolute madman, their relationship with the German Empire largely proved impossible to maintain. Unlike America.>Hitler was FARRRR more pro-British than anyone in the United States ever was then let alone at present.He was only pro British insofar that he wanted to bring back human sacrifices. He hated England as it actually existed.>Britain was either completely retarded or totally compromised by foreign interests.Or they did the same thing they always did. Frankly, it worked out pretty well for them insofar that they won world war 1. The mistake, there, was not dismantling Germany altogether.>But keep ignoring the fact Britain gave up hegemony to my people without a fight LOL.What are your people, hmmm? America? How interesting I wonder why they wouldn't be overly worried about them. >That is why they go extinct,two more weeks, right?
>>17281894>by having him killed only about 14m and 10m of them being soldiers.No, he massacred about 17-24 million civilians by every possible measure. He also caused world war 2, arguably making him responsible for killing 80 million people in total alongside Nazi germany.
>>17281906>because?Same reason they invaded the USSR, Poland, and Franch. Talking about children: I feel this image is appropriate.
>>17281908>You are brown.Wrong.>You dont even know what the Nibelungenlied is.Wrong again. Though you are pretty deluded if you think even 90% of Germans actually know about that.>Why are you in these threads? Because truth has to be spoken.
>>17281913>This is going down by an act of one's own will,In the same way that getting a condom stuck in your throat and choking to death is going by an act of own's own will.I still don't expect it will get you in Valhalla.
>>17281873>The entire Luftwaffe, during the battle of Britain, was fighting in England. Are you claiming they just sat around occupied Poland not doing anything?Wasn't even half of the Lufftwaffe at the time. >World war 1? Hello? You are aware of that event, right?Germany from WW1 and WW2 might as well be two entirely different coutries.This is like saying why was Britain allied with France 20 years after deposing Napoleon>Yes? They were pretty busy during the war, you know.War ended in 1945>They couldn't in 1920They could and absolutely did
>>17281789>Won what exactly?The war>The UK's air force was vastly inferior to the German airforce The UK not only beat the Germans in the air war, they were outproducing them as well>What rival when Germany never tried to threaten Britain once The one they were at war with naturally, and their biggest economic competitor on the continent.>Is that why the UK was desperately trying to hold it and only gave up after seeing they had no chance and were dirt broke?Where they? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_India_Act_1919https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_India_Act_1935>Yes?It was a funny comment
>>17281971>Wasn't even half of the Lufftwaffe at the time.But they were sitting around.>Germany from WW1 and WW2 might as well be two entirely different coutriesLiterally the same military generals.>This is like saying why was Britain allied with France 20 years after deposing NapoleonSee above.>War ended in 1945In Europe. Not asia. >They could and absolutely didThey could not. Post ww1 it was only a matter of time before they lost India.
>>17273563Never argue with American mutts during these hours
>>17281953not really because that would be unintentional, again you cant even grasp the English language, Go back to Africa.
>>17282182Post heil pic already lol
>>17281930>then Stalin took overand sent Soviet troops abroad and invaded others lol.>not reallyYes really, the Soviets were supporting communists all throughout Europe.>post MR pactnope.MR was signed on the 24 of August. Stalin's speeches were in July and August 19th.You cant even get the timeline right.not going to waste further time on someone who cant even get their dates correct.>>17281941Nope. Poland caused WWII when they violated the sovereignty of Danzig.>massacrednope wrong again, the Russian academy of Sciences investigated the matter and concluded no more than 4million civilians died as a result of German action during the conflict.You can seethe but you wont post a source which contests the official figures from the RAS.>>17281948>USSRwas Britian run by a communist expansionist?>Polandwas Britian actively occupying countries guaranteed by Germany?>FranceDid Britian invade Germany in 1939?>imagechildish and delusional considering Britain gobbled up 1/3 of the planet and then proceeded to watch as America gobbled up all the rest.>>17281949You are literally brown.>wrong againThen youre stupid because you referenced Odin, not Wotan. You are conflating Norse myth with the Ring Cycle.>I have to post the truth of the evils of White peopleL O LWhite means good, pure, light, White is the purest color, associated with light, beauty, strength, precision, cleanliness.non-White is smelly and stinky.>>17282185post your face with a timestamp and I will.>>17282129Americans, due to their healthy skepticism and independent nature, have come to wield a mastery of the facts jews, slavs, and lefties simply can not compete with.American BVLLS will continue to rule over you and Americans will continue to educate you on the holohoax, the crimes of Britain, and why Hitler did nothing wrong.
>>17282204The fact that a skinny timmycel in some suburb or middle of nowhere Iowa posts like this is both sad and funny.
It is worth stating these juden can no longer even dispute the facts. they have resorted entirely to open anti-Whiteness and outright fairytales such as Hitler magically being capable of solo'ing the planet and so The Great Replacement is somehow preferable to speaking German or whatever.These people are mentally ill.No one in their right mind in 1939 would have lifted even their voice against Hitler let alone their guns, if they could see what the world would become today.>b-but HumanityWe exist beyond humanity, as people, not as a collective brotherhood.Beautiful dropdead gorgeous White people are not interchangeable with disgusting stinky smelly poop covered poop colored "people".
>>17282208I am 6'1", 225, with a 140kg bench.>timmycelGo back pajeet, you do not belong in Holland, you belong in the Ganges being eaten by dogs or brahma cannibals.
>>17282217>Less than 190cmNot gonna make it
>>17281816>Wotan's Avatarlol
>>17281733The numbers in the East, seem a bit exaggerated. The Russians lie all the time. Like about Katyn. Never have heard of them.Also, where is the 6 million?
