Did hunter gatherers live a more peaceful life?What is fascinating is that because of agriculture and the process of storing and saving foods people started to war to conquer more lands to farm food. I believe practically nobody living a hunter gatherer lifestyle could dedicate their efforts to war because they were to busy focussing on survival. Maybe they fought a little for rights to certain hunting zones but that's about it.
>>17273630Hunter-gatherers definitely lived under what essentially was communism, in the sense that neither property or markets existed, but it wasn't peaceful. Their lives were basically constant low level gang warfare. Mostly over mates, food was usually shared. Agricultural society is more violent in the sense that the scale of violence is larger but its more peaceful in the sense that there's less guys just merking each other over petty disputes due to enforced laws.
>>17273630The normie view of prehistoric man is incredibly fucking retarded and makes no sense. They most likely had vast trade routes and existed as apart of heavily decentralized proto nations where tribes shared ethnic and cultural heritage. Money was also most likely used extensively as a pure barter system is just fucking dumb. Wars absolutely happened both on the small scale of tribe vs. tribe and on the larger scale of warbands being formed to raid/conquer enemy proto-nations. The concept that humans lived purely in small 100 people tribes and had zero interaction with anybody else is just pants on head retarded. >They were busy just surviving Stupid, humans created shelters and full blown villages where they could store meat for prolonged periods as well as foraged fruits and other sources of food. It's not like prehistoric man was just stuck on day one of a minecraft playthrough where all they had were dirt shacks and were constantly on the brink of starvation running away from creepers.
>>17273642Hunter-gatherer tribes still exist today and they don't use money.
>>17273644Modern hunter-gatherers live in extremely remote areas sheltered away in heavily restricted pieces of land. Even modern researchers will all say that studying modern hunter-gatherers is not a good idea at all in an attempt to understand how prehistoric man lived. There is very little comparison regarding their predicaments and situation.
>did hunter gatherers live a more peaceful lifeno, if anything they were even more war like
>Can work together to being down a large animal>Cant work together to bring down a rival tribeLol.
>>17273630Life today is pretty peaceful, so doubtful. I really don't understand this recent obsession with painting the modern world as some chaotic, hellish landscape. All you're doing is sitting in your bedroom with air conditioning / central heating cruising on 4chan after working five days at an office or factory.
>>17273630>people started to war to conquer more lands to farm foodThey didn't want more lands to farm they wanted to take what someone else had grown. Hunter gatherers fought over territory to hunt and gather
>>17273647>>17273642any books about this you'd recommend?
>>17274209>Life today is pretty peaceful, so doubtful. I really don't understand this recent obsession with painting the modern world as some chaotic, hellish land- ACK
>>17274362War Before Civilization by Keeley.
>>17274409Yeah the world is a horrible inhuman place because terrorist sandnigger blessed Palestinians are getting killed and their underground weapons stash destroyed.
>>17275359>>17275400I now pronounce you retard and retard
>>17274165>rival tribeno such thing humans naturally don't want conflict.
>>17273642>Money was also most likely used extensively as a pure barter system is just fucking dumbCurrency requires a state to guarantee its value. They definitely traded over vast distances for stuff like amber and rare minerals but its value was culturally and not economically determined.>Wars absolutely happened both on the small scale of tribe vs. tribe and on the larger scale of warbands being formed to raid/conquer enemy proto-nations. The concept that humans lived purely in small 100 people tribes and had zero interaction with anybody else is just pants on head retarded.Large scale wars only happen with increased population density in the Neolithic. Before that there might have been skirmishes and duels but there were never real "wars". HG tribes usually settle conflict in a mix of ritualistic battles, duels, synchronized song & dance or sport competitions, depending on the severity of the conflict.
There used to be an idea that they were but it's like 150 years old and only clings on because boomers are still alive.War and violence was a commonplace among hunter gatherers. It confused a lot of anthropologists because a lot of them weren't really that well versed in the art of war - they focused on battles and large engagements but didn't care about low level raiding and murders that were very common. And I'm mentioning how they were oblivious to the reality of warfare because if you look at something like the 80 years war you'll have a hard time imagining it since most of it was siege warfare, very small scale incremental actions, not big battles.
>>17276458>Currency requires a state to guarantee its value.flint knives were used as a sort of currency
>>17273630>hunter gatherers didn't have war>farmers fought for farmland>hunters gatherers only fought for hunting and gathering zonesthey didn't even go to war over resources, they conducted bizarre ritual warfare that involved horrific torture and every so often a tribe would migrate from one place to another and wipe out a culture
>>17273630H-Gs quickly fill up their environment and from there on it's a war of everyone against everyone else for territory. Their mortality is 25 %ish from violent causes based on archeology and observation of modern ones, with the rest mostly from epidemics.
>>17274362great book if you can stomach it
>>17276458>Currency requires a state to guarantee its valuehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_money
>>17275400The world IS a horrible place outside of a few true civilizations. Even in the wrong place inside the safety of those civilizations, its hellish. Just because youre safe behind a PC in suburbia or some rual town doesnt mean youre safe just walking down the street at the wrong time of night or day just 30 minutes away.
>>17273642Whats retarded is this postThere was no money, only valuables. Pretty rocks, food and other tangible resources. Thats a pure barter system. Prehistoric man survived in small groups because social order and any remote sense of a civilization did not exist. They barely had feelings beyond eat fight fuck.
>>17276727This mourning war things sounds like an excuse to wage war, likely over resources.Tribe 1 would claim to start a war to get new kids for women, which was a convenient excuse to plunder Tribe 2 or push them out of some land. They would then capture "sons", which was just a way to keep hostages to keep Tribe 2 from retaliating.
>>17276903cosigned.
>>17273630>Did hunter gatherers live a more peaceful life?spending your entire life bouncing between DEFCON 2 and DEFCON 1 depending on whether there are known hostiles in the vicinity or not does not sound very peaceful.
There is non-stop tribal war TODAY between hunter-gatherer tribes where they attack each other and steal their women.
>>17273630https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJL5lB5a_Bg&t=2333sthey lived in relative paradise
>>17276903are you being serious in recommending this book? I've seen this book mentioned on reddit before.
