How can you debunk holocaust denialism?
>>17274093bomes
>>17274093You don't. Still not gonna be nazi though
>>17274095>bomes/threadmeme stories about death roller coasters and skin lamps were never proof
>>17274093After realizing how much jews have lied and took advantage of our good heartedness, I have become a National Socialist
>>17274155>i acknowledge what Europeans have already known about Jews for centuries>so I became a socialist tranny
>>17274093How do you prove dinosaurs existed to JWs eho believe proof was put there by satan? Same question
>>17274176where the bones at? can't pretend the bones was put there by the devil if the bones aren't there at all
>>17274183https://www.jns.org/mass-grave-of-holocaust-victims-uncovered-in-logoza-belarus/
>>17274198Bones were placed there after the war and are actually from victims of starvation due to the allied blockade and terror bombings.
>>17274138>meme stories about death roller coastersThe focus that exploitation media on the Holocaust gets is insane.Like, you don't use G.I. Joe comics as proof that the vietnam war happened?Or Jack Higgins novels?
Anyone who argues in good faith can see that denier arguments are worthless. You will not convince deniers because they know they're liars.
>>17274176we have dino bomes?
>>17274226>anyonenot me famalam. I think holosceptics are necessary to foster debate and discussion so we can get to the bottom of this. History is important.
>>17274161They are so scared of people actually reading or hearing Hitler's words. National Socialism has been constantly lied about, it's the only way the Jews can stop it from taking hold amongst Whites. When a White person truly understands what Hitler and the Germans were fighting for, they will have no choice but to become a National Socialist.14/88
>>17274247hitler was a retard, but 2bh, he was just right about the jews, looking at the world around, it becomes self evident
>>17274252Hitler was a very smart man who had the pattern recognition skill required to name the jewHe took Paris in a few weeks what took the Germans years in WW1. Brought an economic miracle to Germany during the Great Depression. Invented an ideology that made total sense and defied both liberalism and bolshevism
>>17274247Like I said, you people are just brainwashed uneducated idiots. I definitely read more about national socialism than you.
>>17274247None of that changes the fact that socialism doesn't work btw.
>>17274259>Invented an ideologyRetard.
>>17274259Nazism was barely coherent as an ideology, only a charismatic leader like Adolf was able to hold it together. Once he was gone Germany would have devolved into liberalism. Thinking Nazi germany could exist today like it was in the 30s is like thinking Apartheid South Africa could.
Shoah was not simply gassing (no historian argues this), the chambers were a later innovation after many Jews were already killed in other ways. The epick denialist argument that actually works is how Jews that died were classified as dying due to the shoah indirectly and not of natural causes. E.g. if a Jew had a heart attack in the ghetto they are chalked up as a "victim of the Holocaust". Even if many also were worked to death or simply allowed to die that would count. Similar to "died with covid".. ok they didn't die of covid but they wouldn't have died unless they had it. SS tried to cover up the shoah / holocaust of bullets as much as possible at the end of the war. Hitler was talking about hanging Jews from lamp posts as early as 1920s. Goebbels repeatedly mentioned extermination in speeches all the way through to the 1940s. Speer implemented a rationing system for forced labour where the bottom 1/3rd of slaves had their rations distributed to the top 1/3rd of slaves. This was not formal "gassing" or order of execution, but the intent and inevitable outcome was for the "weak" and unproductive to die of hunger/disease/etc.. and increase slave productivity. Bake me 6,000,000 cookies really doesn't grasp what the shoah was.
>>17274093You don't need airtight steeldoors to gas someone.
>>17274355is there any evidence anyone was ever gassed?
If everything /pol/fags say about the holocaust is true, then Hitler was a shabbos goy who cared more about jews than aryans, as he sent the latter to the meat grinder while the former enjoyed their stay at summer resorts.
>>17274357Yes, there is extensive evidence that people were gassed during the Holocaust. The use of gas chambers was a central method of mass murder in Nazi extermination camps, particularly at Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec, and Chelmno. This method of killing is well-documented through numerous sources: Eyewitness Testimonies: Survivors, including those who worked in the camps, provided consistent and detailed accounts of the gassing operations. Notable testimonies come from individuals like Rudolf Vrba and Miklos Nyiszli, who were forced to witness and sometimes participate in the killings. Nazi Documents: Nazi officials wrote extensively about the implementation of mass murder using gas. Documents such as the "Wagner-Rogall Report" (1943) and the infamous "Höss Report" (written by Auschwitz's camp commandant, Rudolf Höss), describe the systematic use of gas chambers to kill millions. Physical Evidence: Remnants of the gas chambers and crematoria remain at several former extermination camps, particularly at Auschwitz. In some places, traces of Zyklon B, the pesticide used to kill victims, have been found on the walls of the chambers. Postwar Investigations: After the war, the Allied forces and the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg collected testimonies and physical evidence confirming the use of gas chambers. Nazi Records and Photographs: Nazis documented their genocidal operations in photographs and reports, some of which survive today, showing the systematic nature of the killings.In summary, there is overwhelming evidence from survivors, Nazi documents, physical remains, and postwar investigations that people were indeed gassed in the Holocaust as part of the Nazis' plan to exterminate Jews and other targeted groups. Denying this is contrary to the vast body of historical evidence.
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>>17274403The ones with numbers weren't gassed but put to work. It's insane how you mock something you know literally nothing about.
>>17274198yeah those aren't holohoax victims. No physical evidence was ever found and there was never an attempt to prove the mechanism by which this was supposedly done in the first place. The entire fake story is predicated on the forced testimony of a guard who said they had magic self fueling hyper speed ovens.
>>17274404>gassed just walk backwards lol
>>17274093>How can you debunk holocaust denialismHow can you convert someone to Nazism if they don't care about le holocaust?
>>17274093I would begin by having all aspects of the collected stories that make up the Holocaust be based on primary evidence only with a clear set of definitions. I would continue using the logic that if a single aspect of any of the stories is doubted then the doubter is denying the entirety of the collected stories. I would start applying the same logic in reverse: if a single aspect of a single story is proven false then the entire collection is also false.
>>17274404says the guy that doesn't know what he's talking about
>>17274499?Go on, prove that people gassed were tattooed. And I'm not talking about people who were eventually gassed after becoming chronically ill or malnourished, but people who just arrived in trains and were selected for gas chambers.
>>17274231maybe, to some extent. despite very self-assured journalism the jury is still out whether some of the stuff left behind after dissolving certain fossils in acid is dino collagen or not.(note and appreciate that I refrained from referencing chicken bones.)
>>17274093Remember, the same people who told you with a straight face that Jews were murdered by electric floors, wank machines, bending shotguns and fighting a bear to the death, also told you with a straight face that Khamas beheaded 40 Jew babies and then baked the beheaded Jew babies in a oven.
>>17274261>I consulted all the rabbis writings I could find>>17274263Tell that to the government you have right now
>>17274379Liar, all you said is old news that don't convince anyone serious.No historian get paid to do revisionnist work, on the contrary they lose their job and they are hunted down
>>17275348>No historian get paid to do revisionnist workYes they fucking do, they just don't go as far as saying that it was all fabricated by an evil Jewish conspiracy, but that's because they aren't retarded.
>>17274093the same way you can debunk earth being a stationary plane - you can't
>>17275348>they lose their job and they are hunted downThis already happens if historians step outside the boundaries of "acceptable" stances on history. The same goes for scientists and medical experts who take a firm stance against certain government narratives, e.g climate change or certain types of medical treatments. The irony of Oct 7th was that it basically revealed how totally fucked the public education system is, because by hook or by crook, the government will ruin your life for questioning it. As a general rule, if someone needs to threaten you to believe something, it's not for your own good.
>>17274367Nazis literally helped create Israel, so you're not wrong.
>>17276110Actually the soviets sent jews captured nazi war materials to win their war against the arabs, the first official jewish plane was a nazi messerschmitt
>>17275379>that's because they aren't retarded.They already call the German revolution of 1918 the "stab in the back myth".
>>17276127to be fair that's not a myth, the jews used unions to simulate a revolution in order to get the navy to mutiny
>>17276156The jews had control of imperial naval command?
>>17274093What's the deal with wooden doors again
>>17276156Right, but that's what historians call it. It's revisionist propaganda to fit a contemporary narrative. The argument that ideologically motivated historians couldn't lie about the holocaust is absolutely retarded. Especially not when the government pushing that argument is basically run by an organized crime family.
>>17274419>busy guards didn't notice one guy walking backwards in a crowd of people walking forwardsWhat's the problem? Ever seen the videos where people miss the bear playing basketball despite it being in plain sight?
>>17276161I just had somebody search up Trump on their phone concerning is appointments to his administration and get a snippet about how the Dredd Scott decision prevented blacks from becoming citizens, it's very easy to lie about history.
>>17274093Find the bodies
>>17274093a wooden door can produce a gastight seal if you use a rubber trim around the edge
>>17274470it is ridiculous, it's like saying just because stolen valor people exist that means the wars they claim to have fought in also never happened
Well teach generations of kids that the nazis viewed all jews as filthy disgusting rats that should be exterminated.Then well teach them that Nazis turned jews into lampshades and soap.Then well hope they ignore the contradiction of jews being filthy but somehow nazis wanting to use them to wash their bodies with.Then when they discover that's all a lie well just say trust me bro on the rest and threaten their social standing and ability to be employed.
>>17276305ESL?
>>17276127The war was already lost when the revolution broke out.
>>17274093I wouldn't worry about it
>>17274403Noice.
>>17274403The answer is literally this >>17274404The jews who could work they would number and use as slave labor or put in a camp until they found a use for them, the sick, elderly and sometimes young were put to death.>>17274419>posts something completely unrelated>>17274499>u r dumbDoes foxford comics know what he's talking about? He doesn't even know about the work camps.Shit like this is why I can't take you people seriously, even though I am pretty right wing and acknowledge genetic differences between the races, for example. Am I supposed to deny that the nazis killed a load of jews to prove I am not a conformist or a r*dditor? Because it is true, they killed a bunch of jews.
>>17274419Oyyyyy vey lmao
>>17276305What annoys me is how little you know about a topic you want to discuss. In reality there's virtually no contradictions about anything related to the holocaust, extermination of Jews, anti-Slavic policies and so on. Those contradictions exist only in your mind because you don't know the actual history.
>>17274093Why hasn't a holocaust denier locked themselves in a room with a wooden door and dumped a bunch of zyklon b in through the vents yet? You're so adamant it can't kill people, prove it on camera.
>>17276772The point is it would leak out retard
>>17276788That's not the point of the claim about it being a harmless delousing agent.
>>17274095>>17274138Specifically, how many bones remain of around 1.1 million murders at Auschwitz-Birkenau?Because when I look for stories about bones found at or near that site, the only recent story I find notes that the bones are likely from a mass grave of German prisoners held at the site by the Soviet Union between 1945 and 1947.
>>17275379They also cannot go below the sacred number, which is a Jewish death toll of 6,000,000. So when the estimate for Auschwitz-Birkenau was lowered from ~3,500,000 to ~1,100,000 killings, historians had no choice but to exaggerate the 'Holocaust of bullets' on the Eastern Front to include ~2,400,000 extra victims.
>>17276820They cremated the bodies and crushed the bones, so don't expect many of them found.
>>17276836So then bones are NOT a way to debunk Holocaust denial. If anything, a lack of bones is something that historians have to reason their way around.
>>17276834This is not how historians work and there's nothing sacred about this number.
>>17276838Eh, plenty of bones have been found from various massacres in the East. It's also such a stupid question to ask. We have sonderkommando photos of bodies being burned in pits outside of crematoria. Obviously their bones haven't been found, but there's photographic evidence that it happened. The same thing happened with other remains. The Poles recently excavated mass graves with approximately 17.5 tons of human ashes (around 8000 people), so there's no point to deny that the Nazis cremated bodies. Then there were obviously Ashes from Majdanek, ashes described by Polish investigators in Treblinka, partially cremated human bodies from Klooga.
>>17276840It is sacred in the sense that it is the foundation of all postwar political philosophy in the West."Never Again" might as well be the motto of everything that has happened in the West politically since 1945. It is the exact reason used to justify Karl Popper's notion of the Open Society (a democracy where the will of the people cannot overrule the rights of minorities, where the system itself cannot be abolished by democratic means, and where civil society plays a large role in the political process instead of the state and organized religion).
>>17276849>Eh, plenty of bones have been found from various massacres in the East.But none from a site where historians agree 1,100,000 people were murdered, and where we know bones can survive in the soil because the remains of dozens of murdered German prisoners were recently found, dating to 1945-1947.
>>17276834Yes they can, the Nuremberg tribunal itself cited 5.7 million.>the estimate for Auschwitz-Birkenau was lowered from ~3,500,000 to ~1,100,000 killingsSource that this happened? And I mean in academia, not what it says on a fucking plaque.
>>17274095fpbp
>>17276849>Slaughtered like animals. Revealing the atrocities committed by the Nazis on captives at Treblinka I by skeletal trauma analysisHere you go. They found a new mass grave at Treblinka I (the labor camp). >It was estimated that there were a minimum of forty-nine people in the pit. Within months, an anthropologist performed biological profile assessments and detailed trauma analysis on the recovered skeletal parts. The main goal was to study perimortem trauma patterns to infer the cause and manner of death of the victims. We hypothesized that the victims did not die solely because of the camps’ conditions but were brutally slaughtered by the camp guards. Our results were later compared with the survivors’ written testimonies. As a result of our research, we were able to show that the Treblinka I captives’ death was extremely brutal and that the killing methods were varied. This led us to conclude that multiple assailants were involved in the killing spree. All of our results were consistent with the written witness testimonies, which concurs with our skeletal material analysis that proves the atrocities committed by the Nazis on their civilian prisoners during the war took place.It's an article from Nature.
>>17276849>We have sonderkommando photos of bodies being burned in pits outside of crematoria.Which raises two questions:(1) Why were crematoria, set up specifically to handle the bodies resulting from thousands of murders per day, unable to handle said bodies?(2) How does the fact that some bodies - I believe there are a few dozen in total in the photographs you mention - were burned prove that said people were gassed to death?
>>17276865>unable to handle said bodiesBecause there were too many people.
>>17276869Why would a logistical system set up specifically for industrial-scale killings be unable to handle industrial-scale killings?Did they try to burn 100,000 bodies in a day after burning only 20,000 bodies a day for the preceding 100 days?
>>17276860Wow! Only 5,999,951 to go!
>>17274093You cannot
>>17274095>>17274138>FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
>>17276879Right, this is the funny thing. We're looking for literal millions and the guy casually brings that up like inmates are supposed to be immune to death. We lose more than 40 people every single day in the American penitentiary system.
>>17276879top kek
>>17276895yep, I can see the 6 trillions there, all jewish btw, trust me on that one
>>17276270no stolen valor guy has ever accused me of denying the existence of an entire war because I doubt that they earned the medals they are wearing on their dress uniform at the mall.
>>17276874Because it was at the high of the Hungarian operation and the crematoria weren't able to process so many people. >>17276897Do you lose them like this?>Perimortem trauma was observed (Fig. 9) on thirty-four skulls (69%), fifteen mandibles (32%), and on three sacral bones (6%), one left (2%) and four right (8%) ulnas, two left (4%) and two right (4%) coxal bones, one left (2%) and one right (2%) tibia, two left (4%) humerus, one left (2%) fibula, three left (6%) and one right (2%) femur, six left (13%) and six right (13%) scapulas, one right (2%) clavicle, vertebra, ribs, and metacarpals. The types of injuries include blunt force trauma, gunshot trauma, and sharp force trauma.
>>17276895There are actual studies about this, you know that? the land was definitely disturbed. Instead of looking for answer do you mindlessly believe in every gif you find on /pol/?
>>17276895Fake shit.
>>17276836wrong CHUDthey fed the bones to the bears and eaglesit's all in the memoirs
>>17276989>34 people (who were DEFINITELY Jews, don't question it) were shot, during the largest war in history>this is proof of millions of people being gassed to death
nothing like making joomers re-live the lolocaust
>>17277079It's a proof that testimonies were correct. They also excavated the old gas chambers and now work on the new ones. Everything as described by eyewitness accounts. Meanwhile what you have? The Nazis didn't kill the Jews but did... something. No documents, no evidence for what this 'something' was. Also, everyone lies about what happened there, starting from Polish and Jewish reports from 1942.
>>17277079it was real in their mind!
Just give me 3 MILLION names and identities. Fuck it, give me 2.5 million.Most people in Central Europe should have had documented identities. They weren't living off the grid. So where's the names?? Practically everyone in even the US who's lived there for a few centuries can trace their family tree for several generations just from records.
>>17276850>a democracy where the will of the people cannot overrule the rights of minorities>and where civil society plays a large role in the political process instead of the state and organized religionGood>where the system itself cannot be abolished by democratic meansWhat system? Democracy is the only form of government where it's possible to elect people that want to destroy the current system.
>>17277116https://www.ushmm.org/remember/resources-holocaust-survivors-victims/database-of-holocaust-survivor-and-victim-namesYou know that such a database actually exists?
>>17277112>> In the northwestern section of the area, the surface is covered for about 2 hectares by a mixture of ashes and sand. In this mixture, one finds countless human bones, often still covered with tissue remains, which are in a condition of decomposition. During the inspection, which I made with the assistance of an expert in forensic medicine, it was determined that the ashes are without any doubt of human origin (remains of cremated human bones). The examination of human skulls could discover no trace of« wounding. At a distance of some 100 m, there is now an unpleasant odor of burning and decay.Polish investigation from 1946. So I have all of this. And they even found some burned scattered remains during current archeological excavations. Meanwhile you don't even have a narrative. >The Nazis emptied ghettos and deported Jews East... somewhereThat's basically it from your side. Meanwhile the Nazis clearly tried to hide whatever they did there as they demolished all the camps before the war was over. What were they trying to hide?Why Globocnik in his report about Operation Reinhard wrote this? >>The installations which had been set up for this action and the means which had resulted from it which were to be considered as means of the Reich, have been completely removed. For the purpose of supervision a small farm, occupied by an expert was developed in each camp. He has to be paid rent regularly for the upkeep of the farm.Which was confirmed by eyewitness accounts. >Ukrainians were settled there, who fled before the arrival of the Red Army (witnesses Kucharek and Lopuszyński).
>>17277126bomes db?
>>17277112Testimonies of what? A few dozen people being shot in a war? They should be knee deep in bodies every time they put a shovel in the ground if the testimonies are true.
>>17277126>search for "Auschwitz" under place of death>only 90,000 names come upAnon...
>>17277273Except the bodies got cremated. And this is how those cremated bodies looked like. This is from a different camp, but they were cremated using the same method as in Treblinka.
>>17277126>search for date of death +/- 10 years from 1945>600,000 resultsYour database in 5,400,000 short anon.
>>17277319>the bodies got crematedI thought they were buried? So they could be dug up with visible gunshot and stab wounds?
>>17277325What are you talking about? Treblinka II victims (death camp) got cremated. The bodies that were found in a mass grave were from Treblinka I (labor camp).
>>17277340So >>17276860 >>17276989 were lying when they said skeletons with identifiable injuries were found, good to know.
>>17277352You people are unironically retarded. There were two camps, one was a labor camp, the other was an extermination camp. In the labor camp they treated prisoners like shit and according to eyewitness accounts they often killed them. They just found a mass grave near that camp with bones of some of those prisoners. >>17277319This is a completely different place. It's from Dzialdowo (Soldau concentration camp). According to the sources this camp was used as an extermination camp for Polish elites. Later on the bodies were dug up and cremated (aktion 1005). They just found mass graves with those ashes. They are still working at Treblinka II (death camp), but they can't actually excavate the places where there are mass graves because of some Jewish law. So far they found remains of the old gas chamber and lots of Jewish artifacts, also some fragments of bones. No one lied about anything.
>>17277377>34 labor camp prisoners being shot is proof 6,000,000 Jews were gassed>they didn't cremate those prisoners because... reasons>an extermination camp for Polish elites is proof that 6,000,000 Jews were gassed>we can't actually dig up any of the Jew bomes because of Jew law>you are the one who is retarded
>>17277377For me this shit is pretty convincing. I don't know what you even expect. >Abraham Krzepicki was deported from Warsaw on 25 August 1942, and he spent eighteen days in Treblinka before escaping and returning to Warsaw.The walls of the room were covered with small white tiles. It was very fine, clean work. The floor was covered with orange terra cotta tiles. Nickel-plated metal faucets were set into the ceiling. That was all. A comfortable neat little bathhouse set in the middle of a wooded area.Picture shows some of the stuff found during the excavation of the old gas chambers. The colored tiles are there.
>>17277377>No one lied about anything.>jews>in charge of not lying
>>17277320Oy...
>>17277420>white tiles is proof that 6,000,000 Jews were gassedOK>A comfortable neat little bathhouse set in the middle of a wooded areaI thought the camps were supposed to be hell on earth (please note Jews don't believe in hell), this sounds like a vacation retreat?
>>17277413>they didn't cremate those prisoners because... reasonsBecause it's just few bodies in a nearby camp that wasn't Treblinka II. They didn't bother and jus put them in a mass grave. Originally the bodies from Treblinka II were also buried, but they were dug up and cremated. >an extermination camp for Polish elites is proof that 6,000,000 Jews were gassedIt's a proof that Germans were perfectly willing to murder and cremate innocent people. Something you argued never happened. If they did this to Poles then why wouldn't they do this to the Jews who they hated much more? It's also a proof that you can cremate thousands of bodies using pyres like the ones described by Jews from Operation Reinhard camps. Your brainwashed mind will never accept the reality. No matter what they find. You will say the ashes are from victims of typhus or you will come up with some other ridiculous excuse.
>>17277446>they didn't toss the bodies in the giant purpose built extermination furnaces nearby because they just didn't bother> If they did this to Poles then why wouldn't they do this to the Jews who they hated much more? Then provide evidence of mass graves of Jews. Oh wait, you can't, because Jew laws, right?
>>17274093Do the holocaust again, but on holocaust deniers this time.Let's see them talk about wooden doors when they are choking out their last in a gas chamber.
>>17277470>I'm so right I have to murder people who disagree with me
>>17277454See:>>17277144Polish investigation. https://www.reuters.com/article/world/belarus-reburies-over-1200-jews-unearthed-in-nazi-era-mass-grave-idUSKCN1ST1L6/Recent mass grave from Belarus.
>>17277472Still 5,998,766 short.
>>17277471>DisagreeIf they die, they are wrong. If they do not die, they are right.If they refuse to be send to a death camp, that means they don't actually believe what they say. Therefore, it's not a question of disagreement but simply liars.
>>17277002>>17277017Evidence against these results?
>>17274379Now ask chatgpt to name specific documents
>>17277482It's literally from 1960s, lol.
>>17277496What are you talking about?
>be germany >everyone accuses you of murdering millions of Jews>Poles name extermination camps in their report to London >what do?>invite an international commission to investigate those claims like you did in Katynor>demolish all the camps and pretend that no camps ever existed in those placesYup, nothing suspicious here. Sounds like transit camps to me.
>>17277509Krege was some meme holocaust denier. Current discoveries clearly show that a lot of stuff there was hidden, buildings demolished, covered with sands and rubble. Also, lol, fucking debunked shit from 1990s?
>>17277496>old = more accurate?Lol no?
>>17277513>be jew>everyone accuses you of being slimy treacherous ethnosupremacist nation wrecker pornographers and loansharks>what do?>become normal functional members of societyor>say the Nazis killed exactly 6,000,000 of you in specific locations and buried the bodies there>don't allow anyone to dig up these locations because something something Jewish lawYup, nothing suspicious here.
>>17277509First of all, Krege's preliminary description of his results includes this bit:A comparison reveals that the radar images taken everywhere in the camp show an almost perfect soil untouched by humans.[...]Almost all of the ground consists of undisturbed soil, sand and rocks.This, of course, is impossible since even the deniers admit that there was a camp there, they merely claim it was a transit camp. So the soil just couldn't have been mostly undisturbed on any account except Krege's.Naturally he never published his report anywhere.
>>17277522>changing subject >Jews >say the Nazis killed exactly 6,000,000 of you in specific locations and buried the bodies thereAnd Poles, Ukrainians, Germans, Lithuanians, Russians... Why do you think all our testimonies come from Jews, lol?
>>17274379>>17274499>pic related>>17276772You can actually find videos of this if you wanted to entertain that you might not be an intellectual giant, but we all know you'd come up with some other reasoning for why it's incorrect. Make the decision of what you believe first, then bring in arguments for your side later.
>>17277488The Holocaust is extensively documented through various primary and secondary sources. Key documents include: Nazi Government Records: Wannsee Conference Protocol (1942): A meeting outlining the "Final Solution." Einsatzgruppen Reports: Daily reports detailing mass shootings of Jews and others in Eastern Europe. Concentration Camp Records: Documents from camps like Auschwitz, listing prisoners and activities. Eyewitness Testimonies: Survivor Testimonies: Accounts from those who lived through the Holocaust, preserved in archives like the USC Shoah Foundation. Nazi Perpetrator Testimonies: Admissions from Nazi officials during the Nuremberg Trials and post-war interrogations. Photographs and Film: Nazi and Allied Footage: Propaganda films and photos of atrocities, and images taken by Allied forces when liberating camps in 1945. The Nuremberg Trials (1945-1949): Extensive documentation of the Holocaust from trials, including confessions and evidence presented against Nazi officials. Letters and Diaries: Anne Frank’s Diary: A personal account of life in hiding and Nazi persecution. Ghetto and Camp Letters: Correspondence from Jews in ghettos and camps detailing their experiences. Postwar Research: Holocaust Museums: Archives from the US Holocaust Memorial Museum and Yad Vashem in Israel contain extensive evidence. Scholarly Studies: Historians like Raul Hilberg and Deborah Lipstadt have compiled detailed analyses based on these documents.These sources provide comprehensive evidence that the Holocaust occurred and are key to understanding its scale and impact.
>>17277541I LOVE how you're not doubting that everyone says Jews are slimy treacherous ethnosupremacist nation wrecker pornographers and loansharks.
>>17277548>Propaganda films and photosSaying the quiet part loud there>Correspondence from Jews in ghettos and camps detailing their experiences.So the camps were hell on earth dungeons but the Nazis were letting the Jews send letters?
>>17274093You can't. They are basically brainwashed antisemites who live in their own schizo world. They don't care about the truth or even reality. You can see it in this thread.
>>17277575>schizo>Jews suffer from mental illness at a higher rate to gentilesAlways crying out as they strike you...
>>17277518>Krege was some meme holocaust denierThis is a tautology. It's like saying a holocauster is a jew. You would expect the rebbes to be holocaust pushers as a bias. Krege has no such comparable bias.>Current discoveriesThen post them!
>>17277586I already posted them.
>>17277597And you're still several millions short.
>>17277597Link your posts in a reply.
>>17277618>>17277420>An apparent structure measuring 22 x 15m was identified in the Ground Penetrating Radar survey, undertaken in 2010. Targeted excavation in the middle of this area in 2013 confirmed that this structure was the Old Gas Chamber building. The discovery of tiles, sections of wall and other building furnishings proved that this building was modelled on a bathhouse. The tiles found were manufactured by Dziewulski i Lange.>The latter specif ic ally focused on the area where the gas chambe rswere thought to be located. A 1 m × 1 m trench (Trench 4) was excavatedwithin a 22 m × 15 m anomaly recorded by the GPR survey, which appearedconsistent with a building foundation. A further trench (Trench 3), measuring2 m × 1 m, was excavated to the west of this area in an area of scattereddebris identified in the GPR results.It's obvious that this area was 'touched by humans' despite what Krege supposedly found.
>>17277641>no, see, actually all these things that look like they came from a bathhouse, is proof that they made the gas chamber to look like a bathhouse!!!Why did they find all this shit but not the mountains of human corpses?
>>17277716If you are talking about Auschwitz then you are talking about a Russian recreation intended as a memorial. The piles of luggage, shoes, jewelry, shaved hair etc are not those of Jews or any other prisoners of the Nazis. The gas chamber is also a recreation, hence the wooden doors and fingernail scratches that left grooves in the concrete not making any sense whatsoever. This information was on the wiki a few years ago. If you ask the tour guides they are very explicit about what is a recreation and what isn't.
>>17277792I'm talking about the bathhouse you litterally just posted about.
>>17277833That wasn't me that posted a bath house themed gas chamber. I am the one claiming that the most salacious elements of the Auschwitz tour are Russian made recreations. There are no ww2 era German built gas chambers or the plans* for gas chambers in existence. None. No showers, no chambers, not even rooms improvised for killing. *there are plans for carbon monoxide tents to kill German retards in Germany by German doctors carrying out Aktion T4. The Nazis thoroughly documented killing or sterilizing crazy retarded faggots and then burning the corpses, even after the German public backlash forced the program into secrecy.
>>17277280>>17277319Notice how they came in like they had a gotcha with their little database and ha e immediately fled the thread when someone actually looks at it and reveals they're lying? Again?
>>17274367Notice how they didn't reply to this one.
>>17278366Your own dead jew database is 5,000,000 bodies short Moshe, cope with it.
>>17278377So Hitler really was a jew lover?
>>17278385So only 600,000 Jews died, as per your own database.
>>17278387My first post in the thread is >>17278366But are we therefore in agreement that Hitler did not in fact kill any jew and was expecially worried about their safety enough to set up summer camps with swimming pools, theatres, zoos, hospitals etc for them while germanic Aryans were getting dat BSC (big soviet cock) en mass?
>>17278401Yes, we agree, only 600,000 Jews died, as per the dead Iew database.
>>17278387Why make the claim 6 million were gassed when they were killed. Nobody claims 6 million were gassed
>>17278410>OH SO YOURE SAYING NOBODY WAS GASSEDis the next response you'll get from this low effort shitskin
>>17278377>The Book of Names is a large-scale commemoration book, whose pages detail the names and short biographical information about approximately 4,800,000 Jewish victims of the Holocaust known to and documented by Yad Vashem, out of a total of 5.8 million victims. The book was printed in two editions, in 2013, and a decade later.[1]That database is obviously incomplete.
>>17278410I didn't say anyone was gassed anon. I said the database shows only 600,000 dead Jews.
>>17278408Good. Then you should find a better "hero of the white race" to look up to, since Hitler was a useful idiot it seems.
>>17278414>where are the names>here>that doesn't have anywhere near enough names>WELL OBVIOUSLY ITS INCOMPLETESo why why did you post it?
>>17278418Why would I consider Hitler to be hero of the white race just because I pointed out your dead jew database is 5,400,000 dead Jews short?
>>17277889Unironically we have German era documents and orders for most of the things you mentioned. You're just wrong. Also, there aren't any Russia recreations. >>17277716Why would they find mountains of human corpses if they were cremated? They found some cremated remains. Large mass graves weren't excavated. Also, based on testimonies and post-war investigations it seems like a lot of these ashes were just scattered around. See again:>>17277144Polish investigation. Similar picture is described by Soviet soldiers who discovered the place.
>>17278425>your dead jew databaseOnce again, I am not the anon who posted that.
>>17278423It's incomplete because it's based on released documents. Lots of this stuff just isn't released. I admit, I didn't check it out before posting. My bad.
>>17278434This 'recreation' is the krema I building that wasn't demolished but was converted into an air raid shelter. The Soviets used German plans to reconstruct its former look. It's not like they built the thing.
>>17278434Then they should be finding mountains of cremation ashes. >mass graves>weren't excavatedHow convenient. We have proof, but you can't see it.
>>17278470There's plenty of evidence and yes, the Jewish law is a real thing. Don't worry before it ends they will find more. They already found some ashes on the surface despite the fact that so many years passed. And let's be serious here. You don't give a shit about evidence. Your brainwashed mind is made up. No matter what they will find it just won't be enough. Hofle telegram wasn't enough, evidence of existing gas chambers isn't enough. Naturally some ashes also won't be enough.
>>17278504What existing gas chambers?
>>17274093Ay Tone
>>17274093You really can't. It didn't happen in the way the narrative is told - that is the systematic genocide of jews. Where there slave camps? Yes. Did jews die in those? Yes. But they were not killed on purpose, they were made to work which I guess is the worst thing to have happened to a jew
>>17278551>webmLiterally not Auschwitz.It's crazy how gullible you people are. Deniers literally lie to you at every point and yet you don't even care.
>>17278561It's literally from Auschwitz, ya fag. You can even see the swimming pool. As Auschwitz reads, "work sets you free"
>>17278578It's not. The pool at the end is from Auschwitz, the movie is from Theresienstadt/Terezin, the photo with mothers and their babies is from Dachau.
>>17278551Pool with swimming people is from Novaky (Slovakia).>Novaky was created due to the efforts of the Slovak Jewish Center, which had asked the Slovak government to establish camps where the Jews could work and thus be spared from deportation.It's clearly not the same pool.
>>17278434You are a Holocaust confirmer and would never accept evidence that contradicts your belief. Aktion T4 was very well documented by the Germans and included diagrams and blueprints along with explicitly stated intentions. They even have the names and forged death certificates for the victims. The Final Solution was not very well documented by anyone, much less the supposedly proud Germans that planned and carried it out, from Hitler on down to Hans. It's almost as if the Holocaust did not happen like the Allies say it happened. Aktion T4 happened exactly how the Allies say it did because the Germans proudly documented the event for posterity. Anyway, swap Soviet era Polish puppets under direct Soviet Russian control for Soviet era Russians for who recreated the Auschwitz wooden doored gas chamber replete with fingernail scratches on the concrete walls, along with the piles of Jewish detritus. It's fake evidence for a fake story. The next time you address T4 will be the first.
>>17278586You're only half-right. The materiny ward, the women dancing from the train and the final shots are not from Theresientandt. Not to mention there is zero difference from how Auschwitz is structured with how the rest of the camps are structured except size.
>>17277420>>17277641The question is if the Nazis built the place at all. The tiles, for instance, bear the maker's mark of a Polish company that was founded in 1886. It could just as well have been simply a late 19th century bathhouse used by the local peasants that this witness happened to remember from the time he spent resting there.
>>17278697Sure, in the place of a gas chamber that was described exactly like that, oh and with Jewish artifacts lying around. >>17278621The Germans weren't proud of Aktion T4. Basically they fucked up which is why they became more secretive when it came to the holocaust.>The Final Solution was not very well documentedYou know what is even less documented? The fact that there's no trace of any Jews after they got deported to the death camps. You talk a lot of crap about how the Germans documented everything then why the fuck they didn't documented the arrival of more than 2 million Jews somewhere in the East? The trail ends on Operation Reinhard camps. This shit is really on you, not on holocaust 'confirmers' (normal people). You have Germans emptying the ghettons and sending people East. Then there's nothing. None of these people ever appeared in the East where there were no big camps in the first place and there are zero German documents mentioning their fate.
>>17278741>they found parts of a bathhouse in the place of a gas chamber they made look like a bath house for no reasonOK.
>>17278741Those Germans continued to document T4 even after they lied to their public about ending the program. Not very secret for a secret program. Why wouldn't they also document the Final Solution? Because it didn't happen the way the Allies claim or there would be ample proof provided via German documentation of secret programs. The Germans were not secretive regarding rounding up undesirables and placing them in camps, the Germans were not secretive about forced labor, the Germans were not secretive about food rationing for prisoners in those camps, because it was documented by the Germans. There are no German made plans for German made giftgas chambers. Also no plans for gassenwagon carbon monoxide Ambulances or formulas for turning brown eyes blue or any examples of soap made from Jew ashes or one human skin book cover or lampshade.
>>17278741>Basically they fucked up which is why they became more secretive when it came to the holocaust.So secretive, in fact, that in a country governed by petty bureaucrats, they had not a single document ordering or confirming any killings of Jews in camps.
>>17278754>for no reasonLiterally every single testimony describes the gas chamber as being disguised as a bathhouse. And it was done to not makes the victims panic. In Stroop report you can read passages like this:>6,929 Jews were destroyed by transport to T. II, so that overall, 13,929 Jews were destroyed.What do you think he meant? To give them a bath? vernichten:destroykillannihilate defeat Doesn't seem like it.
>>17278777And I'm asking you again, why didn't they document what happened with the Jews if they weren't killed there. > The Germans were not secretive regarding rounding up undesirables and placing them in camps, the Germans were not secretive about forced labor, the Germans were not secretive about food rationing for prisoners in those camps, because it was documented by the Germans.And yet they were secretive enough about Reinhard camps to demolish them before anyone could find them. >There are no German made plans for German made giftgas chambersThere are literally blueprints for Auschwitz crematoria. >or any examples of soap made from Jew>Semków states that the presence of human fat tissue has been confirmed in the samples of soapy grease from Danzig which were presented at the trials (which was claimed to be "unfinished soap"[18]) through analysis which was performed by the IPN and Gdańsk University of Technology in 2011[26] and 2006[27][28] respectively>lampshades>Only an additional forensic report commissioned in 2023 came to the conclusion after microscopic and genetic examinations that the material of the lampshade - as originally assumed - was "certainly human skin".
>>17274161Better than being slav desu.
>>17278795>why didn't they document what happened with the Jews if they weren't killed thereThey did. >daily report of 24.10.1942 from the official German war diary of the Oberquartiermeister of the military commander in Poland>Supreme Command Ostrow informs that the Jews in Treblinka are not adequately buried and that, as a result, an unbearable body stench befouls the air.
>>17278783And they were so committed to the bit they used 50 year old tiles to make it look like a bath house?>13,929Still 5,986,071 to go.
>>17278783>it was done to not makes the victims panicGenerally, victims of mass killings - anywhere in the world, at any time in history - do not flee or fight back. So what would be the use of building a fake bathhouse in the middle of the woods? You could just line them up by a trench in the woods and have some criminals there to carry out the actual killing (Dirlewanger's merry band of misfits would have loved to do that). See? There you go, I invented a more plausible Holocaust that would have cost maybe 1% of what the actual claimed Holocaust cost and would have required far less logistical heavy lifting during wartime.>6,929 Jews were destroyed by transport to T. II, so that overall, 13,929 Jews were destroyed.That's a disingenous reading of the Stroop Report, which detailed the Jewish armed uprising in the Warsaw ghetto in early 1943. Speaking of which, do you have a German version of the report? I can read German and I'd like to read it for myself.
>>17278812>50 year old tiles lol, and where did you get that from? The firm still existed in 1942. The fact that it was founded in 19th century doesn't mean the tiles came from 19th century. What kind of logic is that? >After World War II the foundry was nationalized by the communists and renamed in 1950 as ZPC Opoczno.[5]So it existed during the war.
>>17278831Sure. Now explain how vernichtet doesn't mean destroy in this case, lol. >disingenousWhat's disingenuous about this? You claim that no one was killed there. More, you claim that there wasn't even any camp there. I cited Stroop report where it's claimed that 6900 Jews were destroyed in T II (obviously Treblinka II). So how they destroyed them? By giving them a bath?
imagine if all the hitler ball swallowing incels put as much effort into getting laid and getting a job as they did with their grainy cherrypicked facebook collages of gas chambers. they'd all have happy families by now!
>>17278832OK, they used brand new tiles to decorate the bath house that was really a gas chamber that looked like a bath house. You're still 5,986,071 to go.
>>17274093i cant kikebros...
>>17278843I will find all the bomes and stick it up your ass.
>>17278841They shot Lt. Dickshtein in the schmekle.
>>17278848>Jews absolutely obsessed with the anusWhat causes this, genuinely?
>>17278811I don't see any mention of killings. All I see is a report that the commander of the German garrison at 'Ostrow' (the German name for the city is Ostrowo, but we'll leave that to one side for now) complaining about improper burial practices in a nearby village (Treblinka) which, between 1941 and 1944, housed a forced labor camp with approximately 20,000 inmates.>>17278843I wouldn't even take that as a fact. Treblinka was a Polish village with a few hundred inhabitants. Yeah, perhaps a Polish peasant village like that would have a bathhouse built between the late 19th and early 20th century.
>>17278795The Germans made secret camps that they destroyed but they were so secret that you know about them because they were....... documented by the Germans? You do have a point about the Germans not documenting the names and disposition of prisoners, as such documentation could serve to contradict the most propagandized event in the most propagandized war in history. Everyone at Dachau had a name and their disposition is known, all of the crazy/faggot/retard/deadwood that T4 murdered had names and fake death certificates, but the unmotivated, sloppy, and inefficient Germans just couldn't put pen to paper when it came to forced labor death camps in the East. Fun fact: Anne Frank was evacuated from the Auschwitz complex to Bergen-Belson ahead of the advancing Russians for no logical reason by the homicidal Germans..... who informed the International Red Cross which informed Otto Frank by letter in the occupied Netherlands. I guess the Germans did document who they sent where afterall. Makes you think maybe some aspects of the Holocaust story do not reflect reality.
>>17278895That would be the Anne Frank who was betrayed by another Jew to save himself?
>>17278895The secret camps weren't destroyed, the allies just lied about them because that's where they stole all the german scientists from to make weapons for the cold war, everybody was scrambling to kidnap german scientists
>>17274350The holocaust fairytales don’t ever mention that all throughout the 20s and 30s Ze’ev Jabotinsky was training jews of all social strata, age, and gender to operate as independent militias.>Who was JabotinskyA Zionist guerrilla who was banned from the British Mandate >why was he training militiasHe formed the Betar, their militia organization, for the purpose of waging irregular warfare against the Arabs, and later the British. In practice it was a mobilization of every man woman and child who would make up the deficit of numbers and materiel with superior organization and cohesion.Betar had upward of 300,000 members by the outbreak of WWII.>what does this have to do with the holocaustBetar formed the center of gravity for anti-German partisan warfare, the Germans dropped Mjolnir upon the Jews so hard because every jew, from nine year old girls to pencil pushing nerdy men could be a Betarim guerrilla.
>>17278930>Jews are cowards who have to trick gentiles into fighting wars for them>but they're also all crack guerilla commandos, even the little girlsCome now.
>>17278936The reason jews lie about being partisans during WWII is because they got so thoroughly decimated
>>17278945So they're no cowards but actually incredibly ferocious fighters taking part in the most dangerous and brutal form of warfare?
>>17278957they kind of camped out in the woods and then got mortared
>>17274093We do have a lot of evidence from survivors, show them that.
>>17279025
By having basic literacy and sense, but deniers don't have that. They actively avoid having that. It's pointless to reach out to them, don't even mock them they have a victim complex that'd only make them feel vindicated. Ignore like like Caesar Millan ignores a barking attention-seeking dog.
>>17279060Basic literacy and sense like reading >>17279025 >>17279039 and concluding that it's just Jewish torture porn?
>>17279039
Jasenovac genocide is a hoax and Holocaust is a hoax. Anyone defending the hoaxes either a Serb, a Jew, a commie or useful idiot for the aforementioned vermin.t. a Croat
>>17278990But also they won the war?
I read pic related some time ago. At one point, he describes Jews being shoved in cattle wagons until absolutely no space is left. The wagons were also filled with quicklime, which would steam when coming in contact with skin and literally boil the passengers alive. They'd stop the train in some empty field and wait until everyone was dead.Is this method ever described elsewhere?
>>17279295Jews won the war? They were evicted from europe, chrstianity's power dissolved with the delegitimization of judaism. All the jews in their "native" range in europe either converted or fled the communist regime. Their history and their culture destroyed because of their own actions, and the last little string they have left is the holocaust
>>17279487>They were evicted from europe,No? They didn't even all left. > chrstianity's power dissolved with the delegitimization of judaism. That happened about 300 years before ww 2 during the thirty year war. Had fuck all to do with Judaism either. >All the jews in their "native" range in europe either converted or fled the communist regimeThey didn't. There are still Jews left in East Europe. >Their history and their culture destroyed because of their own actions,How exactly? Sounds like you are describing Germans, frankly.
>>17279494The only thing jews had were the rotten butthole villages in eastern europe. Now those are gone
>>17279503They aren't. Meanwhile, the German nation as it exists genuinly is gone. Hell, Prussia was straight up wiped off the map.
>>17279506cope retard
>>17279510>Copesounds like you are doing that.
>>17279522Yeah the entirety of "jewish identity" (larping as peasants in bumfuck russia) is wiped off the face of the earth and they are eternally associated with communism and subversion, sounds like I'm coping.
>>172795271: That was never Jewish identity. 2: It's so wiped of the face you are still talking about it constantly. Meanwhile, you are not talking about German culture. Cause it died, and the world is a better place for it.
>>17279540>1: That was never Jewish identity.Of course it was, jews don't actually have an identity, they tried to make one in russia which wasn't welcome and spread communism there
>>17279541>jews don't actually have an identity,I mean, debatable. But, if so, then that kind of defeats your entire point.> they tried to make one in russia which wasn't welcome and spread communism thereThey ended the war with Russia, if not more of Europe, being communist. Sounds like a double win.
>>17279555How does that defeat my point? Jews spent hundreds of years trying to create an identity for themselves, created communism and then got themselves evicted
>>17279558The fact they won by creating the USSR. Won again by conquering east Europe and creating Isreal. All the while still being in Russia and most of East Europe. The only way this is not a total 100% win is that it took the holocaust to make it happen. Then again, according to your ilk that was fake.
>>17279581See the ones that created pissrael were the ones in the west realizing nobody in the world was going to ever going like jews
>>17279591No, it was also the once in the east. Zionism was fairly popular in the USSR as well.
>>17279616The only legacy in the east was communism, and they created a russian state that eventually swept back over them and crushed them into nothing, quite fitting really
>>17274093badly disguised nazi samefag post>UUUH IT WAS ACTUALLY A RESORT LOOK AT THIS POOL
