Are those the milesians the Irish legends spoke about?
>>17275465Nordicista seething
>>17275465Yes.
Is this board doing anything other than circlejerking shit they get from twitter anymore
>>17275465Spaniards are Asturians, Galician, Cantabrians, Basques, Aquitanian and other Celto-Pyreneans tribes that moved south during Reconquista.A bunch of Celto-Romans cluster that expanded at the expense of barbarical germoid and orientalids during Middle-Ages. Modern Iberian urheimat is cantabrian range.
>>17275465Spainjeets are really cringe with their coping over being blacked. Hallstatt-La Tene Celts are closest to French, North Italians and Catalans.
>>17275595BUT WE WUZ CATALAN 'N SHIET THEY'RE THE SAME AS US
>>17275595>>17275601You're a sad human being.
Built for BWC
Cisalpine guy is a north italian separatist btw, so he's not some iberian ultranationalist lying out of his ass ;)>>17275584TRVTH!!!!
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>>17275630Those were french like by the time the germshit arrived thougheveralso plenty of U152 and G2 there so mixing went both ways if it happened
>>17275595la tene are more northern than that, the austria la tene is the most southern shifted sample for obvious reasonsDistance to: ChannelIslands_LIA_LaTene0.05004101 German_Hamburg0.05017179 German0.05049237 Welsh0.05056211 German_Erlangen0.05092293 NorwegianDistance to: Hungary_IA_LaTene0.01831462 French_Auvergne0.02131342 French_Occitanie0.02152328 Swiss_French0.02470235 Italian_Northeast0.02503906 French_ProvenceDistance to: Czech_IA_LaTene0.01578866 BelgianB0.01653702 French_Nord0.01777136 French_Pas-de-Calais0.01808242 German0.01819178 French_Brittany>>17275465breh, stop making these twitter threads
Germutts shall be purged from West Europe.Britannia, Gallia (today usurped by Fr*Nks), Italia (today usurped by S*mitoids, GAYreeks ans g*Rmutts) and Austria (today usurped by g*Ermonkeys) shall be restored to Iberocelticdom...All the germoneys and those mutted with these damn barbaroids shall be sent back to KEKOLDinavia or put in zoos to be seen by EMPIRE'S citizens as the mock they are to EVROPA, ROMA, TUBAL, CHRISTENDOM and HALLSTATT
>>17275663this guy get it
>>17275663TRVKE
>>17275663The opposite happened and iberian natufia farmgroid negrito midgets got conquered by bell beaker bwc tho
>>17275689you reek of mental illness. Iberian are literally bellbeakers
>>17275693culturally, genetically iberians are modeled as 40% bell beaker>by ~2000 BCE, the replacement of 40% of Iberia’s ancestry and nearly 100% of its Y-chromosomes by people with Steppe ancestry. this is what bell beakers looked like Distance to: England_BellBeaker0.03027401 Norwegian0.03069940 Icelandic0.03194416 Swedish0.03366853 Danish0.03498543 IrishDistance to: France_BellBeaker0.02687451 Norwegian0.02927184 Danish0.02935300 Swedish0.03217877 Icelandic0.03264110 Dutch
>>17275641They were Spanish...
>>17275693Moorberians are 60% medjeet 40%bell beaker conqueror paternally (maternally fully medjeet and so phenotypically save some exceptions on the northern parts)
>>17275698no iberians are more similar to bell breaker than to neolithic iberians
>>17275702no they weren't dumb farmape stop repeating this nonsense ad nauseum
>>17275710and btw the bell beaker originated in modern portugal
>>17275710iberians are partially bell beakers, as actual studies have always claimed, that quote comes from an actual study, simply stop with your bullshit, p312 is from beyond the pyrenees, and came to iberia in the bronze age
>>17275698My theory is that among moorberians basques retain the most bell beaker phenotypes "But why?"Nothing particular actually, speculationThey are the ones that have the most of their Y-dna, the least roman/nafri/etc influence and they are super inbreed so maybe they retain some phenos from their paternal side as opposed to the more diffuse mistery meats belowThey also look different from sardinians so very obviously there is something factoring in
>>17275689>iberiaVGH... stronghold of HALLSTATT and ROMA INVICTA, highborn of patriarch TUBAL, hammer of CHRISTENDOM, bulwark of BELL BEAKER, spike against heretical deformed GERMONGREL BARBAROIDS, imperial pasta-mafia era MIXOBARBAROI, endogamous effeminate ORIENTALID goblinitos...OH Iberia SANCTA... IN YOV LIES THE LAST HOPE OF EVROPA, THE EMPIRE AND THE HALSTATT ROMANO-BEAKER CHRISTENDOM...Will yov LET BARBARIAN HORDES, MIXOBARBAROI and SEMITOIDS to keep plvndering the streets of EVROPA and the IMPERIAL CITY with their FILTH?
How did Jeetberians lose all of their allies? Nobody wants to be friends with them anymore; French, Italians, Greeks, Germanics, etc. What is even the stance of Catalans, Basques and Moortuguese, etc on this? Are they as annoying as Spajeets and their Latinx rapebabies are or are they more humble?
>>17275713Saaaar we wuz central europeans steppe aryans saaaar
>>17275716they don't, they're also partially bell beaker autosomally, they're isolated only from a bronze age post bell beaker migration perspective, anything beyond that and they're also a mixture of local iberia farmer + bell beaker
>>17275720we don't need allies
>>17275738Yeah. But other iberians mixed with a lot of shit.Also, they are so inbreed they probably retain archaic phenotypes that werent diffused by mixiture with outsiders.In other iberians it probably led to the adoption of more farmer/moor phenotypes, whereas basques likely have some 50% bell beaker 50% local farmer phenotypes.They are known to look different from other iberians.Being inbreed sometimes makes you retain phenotypesSee papuans
>>17275465The "Milesians" are just a post-Christian fantasy that arose because of the decline of the druids which displaced traditional mythology. Christian monks had to perform some mental gymnastics in order to place the Irish into a Judeo-Christian universe centered on the Mediterranean and the schizophrenia about the Irish coming from Spain was the result of that. They also said in these same myths that these proto-Irishmen used to speak perfect Greek. Everyone is descended from Adam and ultimately spread out from a middle eastern shithole before colonizing the world. Blah, blah, blah. Typical Christian fanfiction.What everyone should realize is that sending this cancer to the north had long term consequences and is ultimately responsible for the original WE WUZing. It led to Christian identity and Nordicism, because when people were stripped of their identity, they looked for their origins in the stories imposed upon them from the outside. This is the reason the British royal family unironically believes they descend from a lost tribe of Israel and the reason they practice circumcision. These ideas still had legs after the enlightenment because they managed to evolve from mythology into pseudohistory and continued to be a source of inspiration for misguided historians.
>>17275716Probably true. They're the tallest and lightest people in Iberia.
>>17275759Lets not get delusional hereThey still look like ass. French at best. But have a different look from other iberians in some ways
>>17275765
>>17275752they resemble partial bell beakers from bronze age iberians the most, but they don't resemble the actual bell beakers from central europe, where that admixture and those ydna clades came from
>>17275770Why are Sardinians the complete opposite of Basques? Even when it comes to the loudness thing: Wikitravel:"Sardinians are generally a quiet and reserved people, especially those of the interior, far from the archetype of the outgoing Mediterranean."Lonely Planet:"Sardinians display none of the exuberance usually associated with mainland italians, nor their malleability or lightness of heart."
>>17275788sardinians have a completely different ethnogenesis
>>17275770In short, they're spaniard
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>>17275903See the samplesThe study sample is Spanish and a significant increase in ANF ancestry is observed, to the point that Hallstatt plots it close to some Iberians. even places as far away as Andalusia
>>17275909>>17275903Spanish...
>>17275911>>17275909>>17275903in fact, the same as the La Tene samples, Austrian samples and the Hallstatt elites.
>Cisalpine Heritageman I hate this guy
>>17275903>>17275909>>17275911you are such a massive fucking lying tranny it's actually unrealthe study claims those samples plot with french, not spanish, germany_lech_MBA is not a celt, and was released in another studypic rel is the fst from THE SOUTHERN GERMANY CELT STUDY, they plot closer to belgians than to french>Compared with contemporaneous data, the Hallstatt individuals cluster homogeneously intermediate between Iron Age samples from present-day France and the Czech Republic41,42, together with Bronze Age samples from the Bavarian Lech valley38 within the present-day French variation (Supplementary Figs. 4.2 and 4.3). >This strong genetic affinity between Hallstatt individuals from southwestern Germany and present-day French can also be observed in formal F4 and FST statistics, as described in Supplementary Note 5.>While Hallstatt samples from present-day Czech Republic plot on top of the genetic diversity of present-day French, Belgians and Germans, close to Iron Age individuals from present-day France (Supp. Fig. 5.8b>In general, the European PCA implies high genetic similarity between the Hallstatt genomes from southwestern Germany and i) present-day genomes from France (Supp. Fig. 4.1b)
>>17275911celts did not exist in the MBA, la tene samples plot with french, germans and belgiansDistance to: Czech_IA_LaTene0.01578866 BelgianB0.01653702 French_Nord0.01777136 French_Pas-de-Calais0.01808242 German0.01819178 French_BrittanyDistance to: ChannelIslands_LIA_LaTene0.05004101 German_Hamburg0.05017179 German0.05049237 Welsh0.05056211 German_Erlangen0.05092293 NorwegianDistance to: Slovakia_LIA_LaTene0.01676597 French_Occitanie0.01850509 French_Nord0.01855879 BelgianC0.01905332 French_Auvergne0.01990868 French_AlsaceDistance to: Hungary_IA_LaTene0.01831462 French_Auvergne0.02131342 French_Occitanie0.02152328 Swiss_French0.02470235 Italian_Northeast0.02503906 French_Provence
>>17275945* they plot closer to belgians than to SPANISHftfm
>we wuz Romunz because there are two samples that have a relatively huge distance from us and because of a fake non-sensical 'average' >we wuz Celts because there are some samples that cluster with Catalans
>>17275945>french
look at all this brownoids seething, we live rent free in their little bug heads
>>17275948>celts did not exist in the MBAProto-celts actually >Combining uniparental and autosomal data, we were able to prove a close biological relationship between the two central princely burials of Eberdingen-Hochdorf (HOC001) and Asperg-Grafenbühl (APG001), representing two of the richest graves of European prehistory.Distance to: Celtic:HOC001_merged0.07217447 French_Provence0.07237979 Spanish_Galicia0.07247621 Spanish_Extremadura0.07263407 Spanish_Baleares0.07291229 PortugueseDistance to: Celtic:APG001_merged0.03306230 Spanish_Barcelones0.03393686 French_Auvergne0.03503920 French_Occitanie0.03531511 Spanish_Asturias0.03636077 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
>>17275945Its southern frenchWhich means spanish
>>17275966>huge distance>BarcelonesApparently, this is showing that Celts had elevated Iran/CHG admixture since you cannot get a modern Spainjeet without that, so maybe my theory about them coming from the Balkans is right.
>>17275976Try again>It is illustrated by a sharp decrease of EEF ancestry and a substantial resurgence of Steppe-related ancestry together with a re-diversification of the gene pool>convergence of gene pools in France and southern Germany. This increase in EEF is accompanied by a homogenization of the gene pool in terms of EEF and Steppe ancestry, illustrated by a marked decrease in the variance of the per-individual F4 statistic (YRI, Test; OldSteppe, EEF) between time periods (Supplementary Figure 4.4d). This phenomenon has been described previously 38 , 43 and may reflect continued admixture with coexisting groups in other predominantly southern European regions that have experienced less gene flow from steppe-related populations.>The affinity towards present-day Spanish is preserved during the Roman period until the beginning of the Early Middle Ageshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hochdorf_Chieftain%27s_GraveThis guy is literally Spanish/South French-like.See here>>17275963
>>17275976>huge distance0.3Try again
>>17275966>Proto-celts actuallythey're not celts and no where it says they're proto celts, that's something you made up, actual celts plot with french and belgians>>17275986>try again>shows image where they're closer to french, swiss and belgians than to iberiansthank you for btfoing yourself, this is what the study says>Compared with contemporaneous data, the Hallstatt individuals cluster homogeneously intermediate between Iron Age samples from present-day France and the Czech Republic41,42, together with Bronze Age samples from the Bavarian Lech valley38 within the present-day French variation (Supplementary Figs. 4.2 and 4.3). >This strong genetic affinity between Hallstatt individuals from southwestern Germany and present-day French can also be observed in formal F4 and FST statistics, as described in Supplementary Note 5.>While Hallstatt samples from present-day Czech Republic plot on top of the genetic diversity of present-day French, Belgians and Germans, close to Iron Age individuals from present-day France (Supp. Fig. 5.8b>In general, the European PCA implies high genetic similarity between the Hallstatt genomes from southwestern Germany and i) present-day genomes from France (Supp. Fig. 4.1b)and they plot closer to belgians than to iberians >>17275945>>17275976>so maybe my theory about them coming from the Balkans is right.no, that's fucking stupid
>>17275986>See here>>17275963are iberians just low IQ? why not posting the actual laTene samples >>17275948
>>17275963Catalans are the least Moor raped Iberians besides Basques
>>17275986>fist results: french(both north and south), germanic swiss and belgians>only after these pops you have catalans>rest of iberians quite distant, portugese even more distant than germans
>>17276030Can we all at least agree that Iberians are infinitely whiter than S. Italians and Gayreeks?
>>17276036No because the only reason modern MENAs are brown is because they have nafri/negroid admixture like you. It's the only thing that can make you brown. Italians actually got whiter despite all that East Med admixture.
>>17276030These French-like?>>17275963
>>17276042>we are whiter even though we plot next to syriansYou had the cope ready to go. Good for you. Post some more.
>>17276056Upper class Syrians without nafri/negroid admixture are whiter than Jeetberians.
>>17276036>Can we all at least agree that Iberians are infinitely whiter than S. Italians and Gayreeks?maybe, i don't care about your medjeet infighting, the celts were french-like, as the study claims >>17275945>>17276053no these french-like >>17275948
>>17276060>>17276042ancient syrians were brown as fuckDistance to: Syria_Ebla_EMBA0.02255922 Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Dinniyeh0.02345352 Lebanese_Maronite_Christian_Zgharta0.02413928 Lebanese_Orthodox_Christian_Koura0.02620898 Lebanese_Christian
>>17276068>Syrians are not whi-
>>17276073-tealso steve jobs is half germanic, granted his dad wasn't super dark or anything, probably southrons would have considered him one of their own
>>17276042mhm they don't seem that changed overall, iberia, italy and greece probably had bigger genetic turnovers than this
>>17276075The majority of the Spainjeet population looks darker than this
>>17276080Let's cherry pick.
>>17276080syrians are browner than iberians on average, and according to ancient samples they have never been part of europe
>>17276084One drop rule. Even a small amount of nafri/negroid is enough to make you brown. It's very easy to bleach pure Levantines going by Jews. They plot with South Italians but have North Italian pigmentation.
>>17276092ashkenazi jews are medieval inbreds descended from 300 people, they're outside the scope of the argument. syrians were never white, going from 100% brown to 99% brown + 1% black does not mean the preceding population was white
>>17276099exactly, one drop rule is for northern europeans aka white people, brownoids are still brownoids, 1 drop of negro dna or not
>>17276106medjeets are of the brown race
>>17276099>they're outside of the scope of the-ACK!
>>17276109not full ashkenazi and outside the scope of the argument
>>17276068why do they resemble lebanese (greco-phoenician bvlls) and not modern syrians?
longobard cemeteries from northern italy revealed the nordic elites of germanic era italy, just like the iberian germanic elties from the new iberian study, nords won once again>The earliest members of this funerary community were buried in the central part of the site at the end of the 6th century CE, as suggested by archaeological and radiocarbon dating. This early core formed around two groups of individuals with similar Central-Northern European genetic ancestry who were already related to each other even before their arrival in Collegno (CL1 and CL2) as shown by the biological relatedness identified between COL_093 (CL1) with nonlocal Sr and COL_097 (CL2) (Fig. 3A). The high frequency of individuals with nonlocal Sr values, together with their relative early dating in the case of these first-generation members of CL1 and CL2, suggest that these individuals established the cemetery and probably also played a role in the formation of the community using it. >presence of elaborate belt sets and weapons, posthole structure of the graves, etc.,—between CL1 and CL2 also suggest social cohesion, most probably familial relationships between the members of these groups.
>>17276123I don't deny the impact of the Lombards on Italy. They are the reason people from Benevento are lighter than Emilians.
>>17276123earlier dates and more luxury goods in their cemetery has direct correlations with northern european ancestry
