Powers from Antiquity (Persians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Romans, Macedonians, Athenians, Phoenicians, etc.) have a massive fandom.Empires from Dark Ages (Franks, Sassanians, Byzantines, HRE, Mongols, Abbasids, etc) still have their a fandom too.But empires from modernity (Ottomans, Iberians, Brirish, Russians, etc.) totally lack of any kind of fandom aside of people from these very same countries. Why is it?Why has modernity (1453/92-1914) such a bad reputation among people?Is it the aesthetic or the little influence these countries had in the overall scheme of things?
>>17276379Ottomans, Spaniards, Frenchmen and Prussians all have their fair share of -boos
>>17276384Forgot Austria as well, hell they're loud as fuck, don't know what you're about
>>17276379Except Russia they all have massive fandom
>>17276379Ottomans>conquered a bunch of ooga booga slavs and arabs>extremely cruel and violent as assyrians but in fucking modern times>meh aesthetic, medieval arabs were better plus they stole a lot of byzantines>last more than the others and yet has no legacy at arts, philosophy, religion or literatureiberians>conquered some even more savage ooga boogas stuck at stone age>lose to a bunch of swamp niggers>only interesting stuff is religious and for religious people >cute aesthetic ngl>inbreed incompetent retard rulersRussians>actually interesting to read about, like wine >kino aestheticBritish>conquer stone age tier ooga boogas and bathing in poo ooga boogas>coward D&C tacticts >good philosophy and scientists, disgusting aesthetic>everything seems artificial as fuckThe only good empire born at modernity was Russian. Aside of it, all the others (Austrian, French [during Napoleon's era] and German) were heirs of Medieval empires.
>>17276391I would say Russia is the only interesting one and is the only surviving one despite its decline with USSR collapse.
>>17276400>The only good empire born at modernity was RussianWhat about American? :3
>>17276405>What about American? :3If we stick to the chronology of the thread, it does not classify as a modern Empire. It is fine desu, but America seems like a transition power (just as Portuguese colonial empire was at its time) between colonial empires of old and global era spacefaring empires of XXI and XXII centuries
>>17276403They don't have any fandom
>>17276411>If we stick to the chronology of the thread, it does not classify as a modern EmpireIt does, it became one with the Spanish-American War.>It is fine desu, but America seems like a transition power (just as Portuguese colonial empire was at its time) between colonial empires of old and global era spacefaring empires of XXI and XXII centuriesMeds.
>>17276379>But empires from modernity (Ottomans, Iberians, Brirish, Russians, etc.) totally lack of any kind of fandom aside of people from these very same countries>Why has modernity (1453/92-1914) such a bad reputation among people?Because it makes those that were conquered seethe. They see modern Brits/Spaniards/Turks as responsible and cannot stop crying about it and demanding reparations.>>17276391Imperial Russia on the other hand got completely erased and mogged (in a bad sense) by the soviet regime, so people don’t bitch about its imperialism.
>>17276400This, early modernity was a synthetic era. It was a time of religious conflict, philosophical debates, legal revisions, scientific breakthroughs, the settling of a new world i.e. it completely changed the rules of the game, a new world was being created.Then you have shit like the Ottomans or Qing and they are acting like bronze ages savages. The Spanish and the Russians were able to keep up somewhat by proximity to the civilized world but they too failed and are now shitholes. The only empire that was really able to keep up and adapt were the Brits, who are now suffering the fallout of their empire. Its also that by the end of the middle ages, having a lot of clay wasnt all that impressive anymore. Ancient Persia and Rome were impressive feats of military and administrative ingenuity, on the other hand who gives a shit the Ottomans ruled the middle east lmao, Euros simply sailed around and that was that.Ancient empires: cool, progressive, civilizedModern empires: cringe, backwards, retarded
>>17276400Muscovites were exponentially more cruel and bloodthristy than any of the other empires mentioned combined
>>17276508>source: my hairy shitskin ass
>>17276510Ivan plzMuscovites were the only ones who commited not one but several genocides during their colonial expansionsSpanish have Amerindian blood in their handsOttomans ArmeniansBrits IndianBut everywhere m*scovites went they slaughtered the indigenous, from siberia, to the steppes all the way to japanese islands, they were absolutely barbaric filth
>>17276515Bro the Ottomans committed several atrocities in the Balkans, enslaved entire regions, funded pirates to raid Europes shores and took children as tribute.Meanwhile the Russians sent a bunch of raiding Tatars back to hui and rid the Caucasus of Circassians, boo fucking hoo
>>17276521No they didn’t, but even if they did it was pretty based and it should happen again.
>>17276600Well Turks can barely afford to eat while Erdogoy is playing Neo Ottoman empire, so lets see where that takes them.
>>17276604As history has taught us, even at its lowest point Türkiye can btfo Europe.
>>17276400>ottomans>meh aestheticARMENIAN DETECTEDDIDNT READ FURTHERhttps://youtu.be/UyEk3jR9gg0?si=4cQ0NLJ6U8OB0sC5
>>17276521>Serfdom isnt slavery bro trust me bro>Circassian genocide didn't happen bro>Battle of Sinop isn't a war crime bro>We're a cool empire bro, we have dostoevsky and ehm....
>>17276379No glory = boringNext question
>>17276379>Why is it?I don't know what to tell you. The Ottomans ended up as my main area of historical interest so I actually love this era(more so Early Modern). Having the first modern standing army and Imperial organisation while fighting still feudal Christendom in huge set piece battles is cool as hell. Real state level religious wars just gives a mythical nostalgia. The cynical nationalism and liberal motivated rules based warfare that dominated later is dull in comparison.>Why has modernity (1453/92-1914) such a bad reputation among people?Bad reputation is generally just empire butthurt from any conquered people by these empires and victimhood becomes their small identity. >Is it the aesthetic I think they all have unique and interesting art and aesthetic.>or the little influence these countries had in the overall scheme of things?All those Empires had huge impact on the world and where we have ended up. Britain had the largest Empire in history and cultural victory with the Anglosphere. Language shapes everything. Russia is still the largest country by territory Ottomans have legacy in the last legitimate Caliphate for Muslims. Plus the sheer number of countries and current borders that were born out of its contraction. Modern Turkey is no slouch either beating multiple powers post ww1, retaining strategically important lands and current accusations of Neo-Ottomanism. Iberians have legacy throughout the Americas
"Iberians", you must be a PSOE voter
Spanish and Ottoman Empires are very interesting. Russia is also pretty interesting.The British Empire is the least interesting out of all of them. Some jump the shark and say it's irrelevant or pointless-very fucking obviously it was neither-but it just isn't interesting. There are very few (if any) British equivilants to the grandoise or "cinematic" moments of Spanish or Ottoman history.The exception is arguably in India but even then, it's a push. The most interesting part of the British Empir ewas its decline.
>>17276638What is so interesting about a bunch of dancing arabs?
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>>17277105Arab dance is pretty fascinating too, but ive sent you a turkish song, are you retarded?
>>17277323>*toot* *tooot* *toooooooot*Woah what amazing music. The best Turkish March was composed by Mozart.
>>17277323Seems the same to me plus the music is quite primitive
>>17276921elaborate
>>17277203nope. I am actually a very big fan of British history, specifically in south-east asia and more broadly the 17th century in Britain itself.But when zoomers or other young people who get into history start looking for what's interesting, Britain falls very short of what they want. Britain doesn't have its conquest of the Aztecs, or the fall of Constantinople.So much of it is economic history, or convoluted relationships between merchants and local tribes/kingdoms, and so on. Extremely impressive and pragmatic, of course, as historians will point out-Britain got the Empire it got BECAUSE it wasn't doing the whole epic imperial conquest thing-but the fact is that it just doesn't appeal to people the same way.
>>17276400Listen Ivan, as a Kartvelian I appreciate that you genocided the Circassians, though I wish you also took care of the Abkhazians. But from an objective standpoint that was an extremely cruel act.
>>17276521Russia also committed genocide and slavery. In fact it is difficult to find a single civilization that conquered others and *didn't* do that.
>>17276400British philosophy is very barebones besides Hume and William of Ockham. Philosophy belongs to the Germans
>>17276400>when iberians conquer natives its cringe, when ruskies conquer siberians its cool>when brits use divide and conquer tactics its cringe,when russians do it its cool>when ottomans are inspired by byzantines its cringe, but when russians have schizo colorful mosque tier churches that combine mongol/byzantine stuff its cool>when ottomans conquer slavshits its cringe, when ruskies conquer slavshits its epic Holy double standards
>>17278502>Philosophy belongs to the GermansAnd there would be no Kant without Hume and the British empiricists and consequently no tradition of German idealism.The empiricist are satanic tho, I'm not defending them. Personally I think the Brits have a greater poetic and literary legacy than any philosophical sophistication. Blake >>> the whole of the empiricist school
>>17278798You are starting to get it
Good questionPicrel was kino, but orientalism is dead (thanks globohomo) so nobody cares anymore
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>>17279814I like diversity of Islamic aesthetics. With Europe you got that too with classic, gothic, renaissance, etc. but it's all mixed up while in Islamic world there's consistency in regional style
>>17279877>while in inslamic world there's consistency in regional styleNot as much anymore>thanks globohomoI've spent a couple dozen hours oogling west asia on google earth and it's incredibly sad to see how much of the cities are plain sandy gray commie blocks. Dubai kinda epitomizes everything I hate about the modern muzzieBut yes, the regional styles are cool. That chart should have the mughal's too, the hindu/muzzie mix came out nice
>>17276379>enslaving 300BCheckin based and wholesome>enlaving 1600ADworst thing ever
>>17279877For me its Iberian Moorish style
>>17277327The turkish march of mozart was inspired by "Genc osman", you really are retarded>>17277478Your mother seems like a prostitute to me
>>17278798russians conquer white-skinned peoplethat's why they were accepted
>>17276379Gunpowder warfare is soulless. All the troops look the same, differing only in colours. Boring as hell.
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>>17277085>Spanish and Ottoman Empires are very interesting.>>17277085Brown claws typed this
Ottoman would've been peak kino if they retained their original culture and race instead of greekfying and persianizing
>>17280439You. Will. Never. Be. European
>>17280444Why would I want to be an euroid? I want to be a reat altaic
>>17280451>Why would I want to be an euroid? idk you keep coming here to sell Kebabs and spray peoples cars
>>17280458spraying cars is fun. kebabs are kuffarslop id never eat them
>>17276379As a lefty, for me, it's the Austro-Hungarians.They were pacifist ("let others wage war; you, happy Austria, marry") and diverse af ("The rich Mitteleuropean literary and cultural traditions include Polish philosophy, Czech avantgarde literature, Hungarian social theory and science, Austrian lyric poetry, and the common capacity for irony and linguistic prowess.")Thanks to Jews Vienna, the empire's capital, became a center of culture and artistry that rivaled Paris around the turn-of-the-century.
